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Personal data Hugues I 'magnus le grand' de France (Hugues I 'magnus, le grand' de France) Capet Cte de Vermandois et de Valois ; Duke Of Burgundy 

Sources 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10Sources 6, 11, 12, 13

Household of Hugues I 'magnus le grand' de France (Hugues I 'magnus, le grand' de France) Capet Cte de Vermandois et de Valois ; Duke Of Burgundy

He is married to Adèle ou Aélis de Vermandois.

They got married about 1077 at France.Sources 4, 7, 8, 16


Child(ren):

  1. Amaury de Chaumont  ± 1085-1130 
  2. Constance de Vermandois  ± 1085-± 1118 
  3. Béatrix de Vermandois  1079-> 1144


Notes about Hugues I 'magnus le grand' de France (Hugues I 'magnus, le grand' de France) Capet Cte de Vermandois et de Valois ; Duke Of Burgundy

de Crepi

Prend part à la première croisade.
Profession : Comte de Vermandois & de Valois.

Prince of France

euweb.dir Hugues I "le Grand", Cte de Vermandois et de Valois, *1057, +Tarsus 18.10.1101, bur there; Leader of 1st Crusade; m.after 1067 Cts Adélaide de Vermandois et de Valois (*ca 1062 +1120/2/4) dau.of Cte Heribert IV; for his descendants see HERE

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Hugh DE CRÉPI (styled "the Great"), COUNT OF VERMANDOIS (younger son of HENRY I, KING OF FRANCE), m. Adelaide, daughter and heir of Herbert, COUNT OF VERMANDOIS and VALOIS. ; [Complete Peerage]

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Marquis Orleans, Count Amiens, Paris, Valois, & Vermandois

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Leo van de Pas' data base has Hugh d. 1102, but Chris Phillips seems to have the better source, which he gives below in response to a request from Leo, on SGM, 22 Jan 2004:

From: Chris Phillips (cgp AT medievalgenealogy.org.uk)
Subject: Re: When DID he die?
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2004-01-22 00:38:39 PST

Runciman on that page, in a chapter on "The Crusades of 1101", describes the Battle of Heraclea, early September 1101, and says this of Hugh: "Hugh of Vermandois was badly wounded in the battle; but some of his men rescued him and he too reached Tarsus. But he was a dying man. His death took place on 18 October and they buried him there in the Cathedral of St Paul. He never fulfilled his vow to go to Jerusalem."

Runciman's sources for this section are "Albert of Aix, VIII, 34-40, pp. 579-82 (the only full source); Ekkehard, XXIV-XXVI, pp. 30-2". If you'd like to follow this to source, both these are available on the gallica website, in the "Recueil des historiens des croisades series" - put these numbers into the "Recherche libre" field on the search page: N051574 for Albert; N051575 for Ekkehard.

Chris Phillips

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The following post from Nathaniel Taylor, 22 Jan 2004, gives the story behind the battle which caused Hugh's death:

Well, it was I who first first posted the death date & circumstances on Hugh of Vermandois when I started this whole messy thread.  But the 1101 date is clearly correct, because Hugh died of wounds after the battle in which a Crusader force was annihilated at Heraklea (Asia Minor) in late September of 1101.  There is no mistaking the year, in the chronology of the first Crusade's aftermath. ; Runciman (2:28-29) does not provide a precise date for that battle, but it was one of three major failures of Western forces the Summer and Fall of 1101.  See generally his _History of the Crusades_, vol. 2, chapter 2, "The Crusades of 1101."  On the battle at Heraklea, he says:

"Early in September they [see below] entered Heraclea, which they found deserted as Konya had been.  Just beyond the town flowed the river, one of the few Anatolian streams to flow abundantly throughout the summer. The Christian warriors, half-mad from thirst, broke their ranks to rush to the welcoming water.  But the Turkish army lay concealed in the thickets on the river banks.  As the crusaders surged on in disorder, the Turks sprang out on them and surrounded them.  There was no time to reform ranks.  Panic spread through the Christian army.  Horsemen and infantry were mixed in a dreadful stampede; and as they stumbled in their attempt to flee they were slaughtered by the enemy.  The duke of Aquitaine, followed by one of his grooms, cut his way out and rode into the mountains.  After many days of wandering through the passes he found his way to Tarsus.  Hugh of Vermandois was badly wounded in the battle; but some of his men rescued him and he too reached Tarsus.  But he was a dying man.  His death took place on 18 October and they buried him there in the Cathedral of St Paul.  He never fulfilled his vow to go to Jerusalem.  Welf of Bavaria only escaped by throwing away all his armer. After several weeks he arrived with two or three attendants at Antioch. Archbishop Thiemo [of Salzburg] was taken prisoner and martyred for his faith.  The fate of the Margravine of Austria is unknown.  Later legends said that she ended her days ia captive in a far-off harem, where she gave birth to the Moslem hero Zengi.  More probably she was thrown from her litter in the panic and trampled to death."

Runciman cites Albert of Aachen, 8.34-40 (pp. 579-82 in the edition he cites); and Ekkehard, 24-26 (pp. 30-32), among other material on the legend of the the Margravine of Austria, etc.

Nat Taylor

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