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• Roepnaam Hucbald II.
• Hij is geboren rond 845 in Ostrevant,Nord-Pas-De-Calais,France.
• Beroepen:
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  {geni:job_title} Comte, de Senlis, d'Ostrevant

• in Count of Ostrevant.
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  {geni:job_title} Comte, de Dillingen, de Donauwörth

• Hij is overleden rond 894 in France.
• Een kind van Hucbald d'Ostrevant en Helwise (Heilwig Hedwige) di Friuli
• Deze gegevens zijn voor het laatst bijgewerkt op 23 juli 2011.

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Hij had een relatie met Dietbirg (Theoberga) von Räthien.

Kind(eren):

1. Mangold I von Dillingen  ± 909-955 

Notities over Hucbald II comte d'Ostrevent (Hucbald II) comte d'Ostrevent

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[Brøderbund WFT Vol. 2, Ed. 1, Tree #1241, Date of Import: May 8, 1997]

!COUNT OF OSTREVANT[Brøderbund WFT Vol. 2, Ed. 1, Tree #1241, Date of Import: May 8, 1997]

!COUNT OF OSTREVANT

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#Générale##Générale#Profession : Comte d'Ostrevant.

#Générale#note couple : #Générale#s:ds12.32 ; mittelalter ; R B Stewart

{geni:occupation} Comte, de Senlis, d'Ostrevant, Graaf, de Dillingen, de Donauwörth

{geni:about_me} Not confirmed by the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy Medlands Project page on Northern France Nobility, which lists only Raoul as the son of Hucbald I and Hedewig:

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#_Toc276540440

Chapter 8. COMTES d'OSTREVANT

The county of Ostrevant originally formed part of the pagus Atrebatensis. It was bound to the north by the river Scarpe, and to the east and south by the rivers Escaut and Sensée[842]. It lay east of Douai and west of Valenciennes, within the territory of the west Frankish kingdom. It is not known who governed the county after the death of Raoul [II] in 944 until the late 11th century when it was held by the seigneurs de Ribemont, who were also châtelains de Valenciennes (see HAINAUT).

1. HUCBALD, son of --- (-after 890). Comte [d'Ostrevant].

2. [sister . Flodoard names "domnus Heriveus" as "nepos ex sorore Hucbaldi comitis" when recording his appointment as Archbishop of Reims[857], although it is not known with certainty that this refers to Hucbald Comte d'Ostervant. m --- into the family of the Seigneurs de Chatillon-sur-Marne.]

Hucbald m as her first husband, HEILWIG [of Friulia], daughter of EBERHARD Duke of the March of Friulia [Unruochingi] & his wife Gisela [Carolingian].
*The primary source which confirms her name has not yet been identified. This marriage is confirmed by the Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines which names "Hucbaldus de Hainacq" as "huius [=abbas Rodulfus] sororius"[843]. It appears to be corroborated by a later passage in the same source which records that "comes Rodulfus" (referring to Heilwig's grandson) was "nepos…ex sorore" of Louis IV King of France[844].
*It appears chronologically unlikely for any of King Louis's sisters, whose dates of birth can be estimated to [908/17], to have been the mother of Raoul [II] who was killed in battle in 944, presumably when he was already adult. It appears more likely that the family relationship was one generation further back, and that a member of the Unruochingi family, descended from the sister of Charles II "le Chauve" King of the West Franks and who originated in the same area in northern France, would provide a good match. Nevertheless, the earlier primary source on which Alberic based his information has not yet been identified and it is possible that the source is inaccurate in its report.
*She maybe married secondly (after 890) Roger [I] Comte de Laon. Her second marriage is shown in Europäische Stammtafeln[845] but the primary source on which this is based has not been identified. Another table in Europäische Stammtafeln only names the wife of Comte Roger as "Helvide" but does not give her origin[846].

Comte Hucbald & his wife had one child:

a) RAOUL [I] (-926).
*The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. Flodoard records that Hugues "le Grand" excluded "terra filiorum Balduini, Rodulfi quoque de Gaugeio atque Hilgaudi" from a treaty made with the Normans in 925[847], which may refer to this Raoul.
*Vanderkindere suggests that "Gaugeium" was Gouy-sous-Bellone, in the area of Ostrevant, not Gouy-en-Arrouaise which is near Cambrai[848].
*Flodoard records the death of "Rodulfus comes, filius Heilwidis" and "non multo post etiam Rotgarius, vitricus eius, comes Laudunensis pagi" in 926[849].
*m ---. The identity of the wife of Raoul [I] is uncertain.
*The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records that "comes Rodulfus" (referring to Raoul [II]) was "nepos…ex sorore" of Louis IV King of France[850]. It appears chronologically unlikely for any of King Louis's sisters, whose dates of birth can be estimated to [908/17], to have been the mother of Raoul [II] who was killed in battle in 944, presumably when he was already adult. It appears more likely that the family relationship was one generation further back, and that a member of the Unruochingi family, descended from the sister of Charles II "le Chauve" King of the West Franks and who originated in the same area in northern France, would provide a good match. Nevertheless, the earlier primary source on which Alberic based his information has not yet been identified and it is possible that the source is inaccurate in its report.
*However, the poem Raoul de Cambrai states that "Raoul Taillefer" married "Aalais", sister of King Louis IV[851] which, if correct, would mean that his wife could be identified with Adelais, daughter of Charles III "le Simple" King of the West Franks & his first wife Frederuna ([908/16]-). This would mean that Raoul [II] was an infant when his father died (in fact the poem suggests that he was born posthumously). It would also mean that Raoul [I] and his wife were closely related, as the Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines also implies that Raoul's mother was the daughter of Adelais's paternal great aunt Gisela who married Eberhard, ancestor of the Marchesi of Friulia. The poem Raoul de Cambrai cannot claim to be historically accurate. Nevertheless, it is not impossible that the detail of Raoul's marriage was not fabricated.
*Comte Raoul [I] & his wife had [two] children: Raoul II, Comte de Valois, d'Amiens et du Vexin (killed in battle 944, m. Liegardis, future Comtesse de Meulan et de Mantes) and Gauthier I (d. 987)

References:

*[842] Vanderkindere I, pp. 133 and 283-4.
*[843] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 893, MGH SS XXIII, p. 748.
*[844] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 943, MGH SS XXIII, p. 763.
*[845] ES II 188B.
*[846] ES III 729 B.
*[847] Flodoard, 925, MGH SS III, p. 376.
*[848] Vanderkindere I, p. 56.
*[849] Flodoard, 926, MGH SS III, p. 377.
*[850] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 943, MGH SS XXIII, p. 763.
*[851] Meyer, P. and Longnon, A. (eds.) (1882) Raoul de Cambrai, Chanson de Geste (Paris), discussed in the Introduction, and mentioned i.a. CCXLIX, p. 224.
*[857] Flodoardus Remensis Historia Remensis Ecclesiæ IV, XI, MGH SS XXXVI, p. 403.

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