Genealogie Wylie » Joan de Fiennes [Wikibio] sss (± 1272-< 1309)

Persoonlijke gegevens Joan de Fiennes [Wikibio] sss 

• Zij is geboren rond 1272 in Wendover Manor, Buckinghamshire, England.
• Zij is overleden voor 26 oktober 1309.Bron 2
• Deze gegevens zijn voor het laatst bijgewerkt op 5 april 2023.

Gezin van Joan de Fiennes [Wikibio] sss

Zij is getrouwd met John 1st Baron Wake.

Zij zijn getrouwd voor 24 september 1291 te Only wife.Bronnen 2, 3, 4

Kind(eren):

1. Margaret 2nd Baroness of Wake  ± 1299-1349 

Notities over Joan de Fiennes [Wikibio] sss

Joan, said to be dau of William de Fiennes and Blanche de Brienne.[Ancestral Roots]

He [John Wake] married, before 24 September 1291, Joan de Fiennes. Hedied shortly before 10 April 1300. She died shortly before 26 October1309. [Complete Peerage XII/2:301-2, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

Note: Apparently the preponderance of evidence identifies John's wife asJoan de Fiennes, daughter of William de Fiennes by Blanche de Brienne (asstated in AR line 236-10). This is based on an article in 'GenealogistMagazine' by John Carmi Parsons entitled 'Court and Household of Eleanorof Castile in 1290', (1977): 41, 44-46. Originally CP XII/2 named hiswife Joan with a note (c) that stated she may be a daughter of JohnFitzBernard or of William de Fenes, but this was corrected by volume XIVin favor of Joan de Fiennes as it now reads.

Below is a post to SGM by Douglas Richardson (sent to me in an e-mail byDouglas) which outlines the evidence for Joan de Fiennes:

Dear Newsgroup ~

In 1977, the historian, John Carmi Parsons, identified Joan, wife of JohnWake, 1st Lord Wake (died 1300) as the daughter of William de Fiennes,Knt., seigneur of Fiennes and Tingry (Pas-de-Calais), and, in England, ofChokes and Gayton, co. Northampton, Wendover, co. Buckingham, etc., byBlanche, daughter and heiress of Jean de Brienne [see J.C. Parsons, Courtand Household of Eleanor of Castile in 1290 (1977): 41, 44–46]. Thisparentage would make Joan a near kinswoman of King Edward II. Amongother evidence, Parsons noted that Joan was styled "cousin" by Edward IIwhen he was still Prince of Wales [see H. Johnstone, Letters of EdwardPrince of Wales 1304–1305 (1931): 13].

For additional evidence that Joan, wife of John Wake, was truly aFiennes, it may be noted that Joan Wake's great-grandson, King Richard IIof England, referred to many descendants of Joan's sister, Margaret deFiennes, wife of Edmund de Mortimer, as his kinsfolk, among them beingThomas Beauchamp, William Beauchamp, Joan Burghersh, Elizabeth Burghersh,Edward Cherleton, and Thomas Clifford. While King Richard II shares acommon descent from King Edward I with Edward Cherleton, this is not thecase with the other individuals. Unless Joan Wake was a Fiennes, itwould be difficult to explain the kinship between King Richard II and theother individuals, especially the Beauchamp and Burghersh relations.These multiple references to Fiennes descended people as his kinsfolkprovides ample supporting evidence that King Richard II'sgreat-grandmother was a Fiennes. This is a good example of how the studyof references to the king's kinsmen can resolve longstanding genealogicalproblems.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

E-mail: royalancestry AT msn.com

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