Genealogie Wylie » Beatrice de Mandeville (1105-< 1197)

Persoonlijke gegevens Beatrice de Mandeville 

• Zij is geboren in het jaar 1105 in Manneville, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.Bron 3
• Zij is overleden voor 19 april 1197 in Rickling, Essex, England.Bronnen 2, 4
• Zij is begraven in Walden Abbey, Hertfordshire, England.
• Een kind van William de Mandeville en Margaret de Rye
• Een kind van William de Mandeville en Margaret de Rye
• Deze gegevens zijn voor het laatst bijgewerkt op 20 april 2023.

Gezin van Beatrice de Mandeville

(1) Zij is getrouwd met Hugh Talbot.

Zij zijn getrouwd rond 1120 te 1st husband 2nd wife-divorced.Bronnen 1, 2

Kind(eren):

1. Richard II Talbot  ± 1122-< 1175 
2. William Talbot  ± 1124-> 1178 

(2) Zij is getrouwd met William I de Say.

Zij zijn getrouwd voor 1133 te 2nd husband 1st wife.Bronnen 1, 2

Kind(eren):

1. William II de Say  ± 1133-< 1177 
2. Geoffrey I de Say  < 1135-???? 

(3) Zij is getrouwd met Hugh Talbot.

Zij zijn getrouwd rond 1120 te 1st husband 2nd wife-divorced.Bronnen 1, 2

Kind(eren):

1. Richard II Talbot  ± 1122-< 1175 
2. William Talbot  ± 1124-> 1178 

Notities over Beatrice de Mandeville

Beatrice (died 19 April 1197 or some year before it), daughter of Williamde Mandeville, sister of 1st Earl of Essex and divorced wife of HughTalebot. [Burke's Peerage]

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He [William de Say] m. Beatrice, divorced wife of Hugh Talebot, sister ofEarl Geoffrey above named, and da. of William de Mandeville. The Earl issaid to have brought her to England for the marriage. She lived to agreat age; d. 19 Apr, in or before 1197, and was buried at Walden Abbey.(Complete Peerage XI:464-5 (transcribed by Thomas Aiken))

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Below is my response to a query by Mike Lysell, via a post-em, concerningBeatrice's marriage date to Hugh Talbot and the birth dates of theirchildren:

I may have been too conservative ("bef 1135") with Richard's birth year.I sometimes get frustrated with sources that refuse to give a guestimateas to the birth year, when they probably have a fairly good idea. Anyway"bef 1135" is the only date I could nail down as a definite sourced date,but he was probably born much earlier.

I see on soc.genealogy.medieval that Beatrice m. her 2nd husband "bef1197" (in other words before she died). However that is even moreoutlandish a date than mine, because they do indicate she had children(Richard/William) by that marriage, and that had to be well before shewas 92 years old (1197)!

I see many people have Hugh Talbot d. 1120. At least one has "aft 1123",which is what I will use, along with abt 1120 as the marriage and 1121and 1123 as the respective birth years. If Beatrice was divorced (as mysources state), then Hugh probably was still alive for awhile after theirdivorce. I then give Hugh's 1st wife a death of "bef. 1120" which mightbe the source of confusion over Hugh's death date.

Most of the marriage/birth dates are not sourced, but they seemreasonable.

Jim Weber

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