Family tree van de Veer - Postma » Carmen Eliza Ramirez (1885-1940)

Personal data Carmen Eliza Ramirez 


Household of Carmen Eliza Ramirez

(1) She is married to Julius Antoin Charles Meyer.

They got married in the year 1902 at Curaçao, she was 17 years old.

Echtgeno(o)t(e): Carmen Eliza Ramirez

Child(ren):

  1. Diana Meyer  1903-
  2. Elvia Meyer  1904-1995 
  3. Olga Meyer  1906-1964 

The couple were divorced on May 29, 1914.

Echtgeno(o)t(e): Carmen Eliza Ramirez


(2) She is married to Alfred Martinus David Tjon A Kien.

 

Hello Olga,
 
Thank you for sending me the newspaper.  When I get to Carmen Ramirez, I will be glad to send you all the photos I have of her.  I will be writing what I have been told mostly by Aunt Polly and Lilian Diehl.  I will welcome any additional information you have and will add it to the account.
 
I have seen the wedding rings of my grandparents (I don't have them with me).  They have engraved on the inside their initials and a date:  C. E. R. for Carmen Elisa Ramirez with the date May 19, 1915 in the larger ring.  A. M. D. T. for Alfred Martinus David Tjon Akien with the date May 19, 1915 in the smaller ring.
 
What I think happened is that perhaps they met in Paramaribo around 1910.  They started to live together, Uncle Willy was born in 1912, Aunt Aida was born in 1914, the divorce became final in 1914, they married in 1915, then Aunt Celia was born in 1916, Aunt Polly in 1918, and my mother Sonja in 1922.  I believe that in order for the legal status of the 2 older children be normalized, Opa (that is what we called Alfred) had to go through the legal procedure of a formal adoption because he and Carmen were not married when they were born.  I am not sure of this, but it is my theory.
 
It would be interesting to find out when Carmen went from Curacao to Suriname.  Also, I know that Olga was born in 1906, stayed with Carmen and grew up with her and Opa.  The other 2 older sisters (born in 1903 and 1905) - Elvia & Diana - I don't remember right now which was the older, but I have it written down somewhere - remained with their father, Mr. Meyer (??).  I am writing all this from memory.
 
Can you tell me on what page of the 6 you sent me is the divorce notice of Carmen?  I don't know any Dutch.
 
Thank you,
Michelle

They got married on May 19, 1915, she was 30 years old.


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    Historical events

    Day of marriage May 19, 1915

    • The temperature on May 19, 1915 was between 9.2 °C and 13.2 °C and averaged 10.7 °C. There was 0.8 mm of rain. The average windspeed was 2 Bft (weak wind) and was prevailing from the north-northeast. Source: KNMI
    • Koningin Wilhelmina (Huis van Oranje-Nassau) was from 1890 till 1948 sovereign of the Netherlands (also known as Koninkrijk der Nederlanden)
    • In The Netherlands , there was from August 29, 1913 to September 9, 1918 the cabinet Cort van der Linden, with Mr. P.W.A. Cort van der Linden (liberaal) as prime minister.
    • In the year 1915: Source: Wikipedia
      • The Netherlands had about 6.3 million citizens.
      • February 22 » World War I: The Imperial German Navy institutes unrestricted submarine warfare.
      • May 22 » Three trains collide in the Quintinshill rail disaster near Gretna Green, Scotland, killing 227 people and injuring 246.
      • May 24 » World War I: Italy declares war on Austria-Hungary, joining the conflict on the side of the Allies.
      • May 27 » HMS Princess Irene exploded and sank off Sheerness, Kent with the loss of 352 lives.
      • August 6 » World War I: Battle of Sari Bair: The Allies mount a diversionary attack timed to coincide with a major Allied landing of reinforcements at Suvla Bay.
      • September 30 » World War I: Radoje Ljutovac becomes the first soldier in history to shoot down an enemy aircraft with ground-to-air fire.

    Day of death September 18, 1940

    • The temperature on September 18, 1940 was between 11.6 °C and 17.2 °C and averaged 14.3 °C. There was 5.3 hours of sunshine (42%). The average windspeed was 4 Bft (moderate breeze) and was prevailing from the southwest. Source: KNMI
    • Koningin Wilhelmina (Huis van Oranje-Nassau) was from 1890 till 1948 sovereign of the Netherlands (also known as Koninkrijk der Nederlanden)
    • In The Netherlands , there was from August 10, 1939 to September 3, 1940 the cabinet De Geer II, with Jonkheer mr. D.J. de Geer (CHU) as prime minister.
    • In The Netherlands , there was from September 3, 1940 to July 27, 1941 the cabinet Gerbrandy I, with Prof. dr. P.S. Gerbrandy (ARP) as prime minister.
    • In the year 1940: Source: Wikipedia
      • The Netherlands had about 8.8 million citizens.
      • August 30 » The Second Vienna Award reassigns the territory of Northern Transylvania from Romania to Hungary.
      • September 16 » World War II: Italian troops conquer Sidi Barrani.
      • October 17 » The body of Communist propagandist Willi Münzenberg found in South France, starting a never-resolved mystery.
      • October 31 » World War II: The Battle of Britain ends: The United Kingdom prevents a possible German invasion.
      • November 16 » New York City's "Mad Bomber" George Metesky places his first bomb at a Manhattan office building used by Consolidated Edison.
      • November 20 » World War II: Hungary becomes a signatory of the Tripartite Pact, officially joining the Axis powers.
    

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