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Personal data Clemence van Bar 

• She was born between 1123 and 1127.
• She died after January 20, 1183.
• A child of Renaud I van Bar and Gisele de Vaudémont

Household of Clemence van Bar

She is married to Renaud III de Clermont.

They got married

Child(ren):

1. Mathilde de Clermont  ????-> 1218 

Notes about Clemence van Bar

CLEMENCE de Bar ([1123/27]]-after 20 Jan 1183). The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis records that "comes Rainaldus [de Claromonte]" married "comitissam de Dammartin, filiam comitis Rainaldi de Monzuns"[165]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to "comites de Claromonte Belvacensi" as descended from "una…sorore eiusdem comitis [=comes Barri iunior Raynaldus]"[166]. Her birth date range is estimated based on the date of her parents' marriage. Renaud’s second wife would presumably have held the title “Ctss de Dammartin” through an earlier marriage to a comte de Dammartin. If she had been the daughter of a comte de Dammartin, she would not have borne the comital title. [“Radulfus Oysardi filius” donated property at Creil to Saint-Leu d’Esserent, and the nuns obtained the consent of "comitem Rainaldum Claromontensem…uxor eius Clementia, filia…ipsius Margarita", by charter dated to [1119][167]. The dating of this document is problematic: while the presence of Marguerite suggests that she was still unmarried, the date is inconsistent with the estimated birth date of Clémence. It should be noted that Mathon dates the consent given by Comte Renaud to [1153], although he does not state why he says this[168]. If that dating is correct, the witness would have been Renaud’s daughter Marguerite by his second marriage, although it is unclear why she would have been singled out for giving consent without her brothers and sisters.] Louis VII King of France confirmed what “episcopus Parisiensis et Guillelmus Lupus frater eius et comes Damni-Martini Renaudus cum uxore sua” donated to Chaalis “per concessum Adelizæ de Bulis et filiorum eius Lancelini...et fratrum suorum” and the donation of land “apud Hermenovillam et...moriens juxta Villam-novam” made by “Joscelinus de Damno-Martino”, by charter dated 1138[169]. The property the subject of the first-named donation is not specified in the charter. However, a possibly linked charter dated to [1137] records that “Willelmus Lupus Silvanectensis” donated “locum...in quo situm est cœnobium...[et] usum totius Espioniæ et Beeley”, with the support of “uxore mea Adelvia, filioque meo majore...Guidone” and sealed by “fratris mei Stephani Parisiensis episc.”[170]. The charter dated 1138 also provides a possible indication of Clémence’s family origin: the joint donation suggests a joint interest in the property donated, and so a connection with the family of the bouteillers de Senlis (to which Guillaume “le Loup” and his brother Etienne Bishop of Paris belonged). A charter dated 1144 confirmed a donation by "Rainaldus Claromontensis comes" to Saint-Leu d’Esserent, with the consent of "Clementia uxor prædicti comitis cum filio suo Guidone"[171]. An undated charter records the grant of pasturage rights "ad castrum Claromontis, Credulii, Gornaci, Lusarchiarum" to Saint-Leu d’Esserant by "Hugo comes Cestrensis" and "Hugo Claromontensis et Margarita uxor eius", later confirmed by "Rainaldus comes" with the consent of "uxore eius Clementia et filiis eius Guidone et Rainaldo"[172]. "Rainaldus comes de Claromonte et Clemencia uxor eius et Widdo eorum filius" confirmed donations to Saint-Leu d’Esserant made by "Albericus…Paganus…comites de Donno Martino…pater suus Hugo de Claromonte et Margarita uxor eius et comites Cestrences Hugo et Richardus", on the advice of "uxoris meæ Adæ", by charter dated 1152[173]. Louvet notes a donation to the priory of Gournay-sur-Aronde made by “Rainal Comte de Clermont et Clemence sa femme” which was confirmed and supplemented in 1165 by “leurs enfans...Raoult Comte de Clermont, Simon, Gautier, Margueritte, Matilde et Comtesse”[174]. Louis VII King of France confirmed an agreement between Eudes Prior of Saint-Denis and "Donni Martini comitissam Clementiam" who relinquished rights “in Trenbleio” by charter dated 1153[175]. Mathieu quotes a charter of Manassès Bishop of Meaux, dated to [1157], which records property first donated to Chaalis by “Domnimartini comitissa Clementia, laudante viro suo Renaldo de Clarimonte” as well as her donation of rights of way and use of wood “in omnia terra” belonging to “consulatum Domnimartini”[176]. “Clementia comitissa de Domno Martino cum liberis meis” renounced rights over “villa Trembliaco” after disputes between the abbey of Saint-Denis and “antecessores nostros comites de Dompno Martino”, litigated before “regis Ludovici”, by undated charter (dated to [1153/62]), witnessed by “Ansoldus de Claromonte et Petrus nepos eius, Galterus de Alneto...”[177]. [Duchesne states that Thibaut [III] de Nanteuil married “Clemence veuve de Renaut Comte de Clairmont en Beauvoisin” by whom he had three children, but does not cite the corresponding primary source[178]. The primary source which confirms this third marriage has not yet been identified, and from a chronological point of view it appears unlikely to be correct particularly as she is supposed to have had children by her third husband.] m firstly --- Comte de Dammartin, son of ---. m secondly ([1135]) as his second wife, RENAUD Comte de Clermont [en-Beauvaisis], son of HUGUES de Clermont [en-Beauvaisis] dit de Mouchy & his wife Marguerite de Montdidier (-[1152/53]). [m thirdly THIBAUT [III] de Crépy Seigneur de Nanteuil-le-Haudouin, son of THIBAUT [II] de Crépy & his wife Elisabeth --- (-before 20 Jan 1183).]

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[165] Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis 15, MGH SS XIII, p. 255.

[166] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 1170, MGH SS XXIII, p. 853.

[167] Müller, E. (ed.) (1900) Le prieuré de Saint-Leu d’Esserent, Cartulaire première partie 1080-1150 (Pontoise) ("Esserent Saint-Leu"), XXI, p. 25.

[168] Mathon ‘Notice historique sur la ville de Creil et sur son ancien château’, Mémoires de la Société Académique de l’Oise, Tome IV (Beauvais, 1859), p. 593.

[169] Gallia Christiana, Tome X, Instrumenta, XVIII, col. 212.

[170] Gallia Christiana, Tome X, Instrumenta, XVIII, col. 212.

[171] Esserent Saint-Leu, XLII, p. 45.

[172] Esserent Saint-Leu, LIX, p. 59.

[173] Esserent Saint-Leu, LXIII, p. 64.

[174] Louvet, P. (1635) Histoire et antiquitéz du pays de Beauvaisis (Beauvais), Tome II, p. 5, no precise citation reference.

[175] Tardif, J. (1866) Monuments historiques (Paris), 523, p. 274.

[176] Mathieu, J. N. 'Recherches sur les premiers Comtes de Dammartin', Mémoires publiés par la Fédération des sociétés historiques et archéologiques de Paris et de l'Ile-de-France, t. 47 (1996), p. 29, footnote 76.

[177] Chartes de l’abbaye de Saint-Denis, Le cartulaire blanc, Tome I, p. 464, available at <http://saint-denis.enc.sorbonne.fr/cartulaire/tome1/tremblay/acte2> (8 Sep 2015).

[178] Duchesne (1621) Châtillon, p. 658, no citation reference.

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