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Gezin van Ava Countess Alsace
Zij had een relatie met I Fair Louis
Zij had een relatie met Hugh Orleans
Zij is getrouwd met (3) Bouchard Defezensac te Tours, Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France.
Kind(eren):
Ermengarde Dealsace ????-
Zij is getrouwd met (4) Hugh Mefiant te Tours, Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France.
Zij had een relatie met Hugh Detours Lemefiant
Zij had een relatie met Hugues Detours
Zij is getrouwd met (7) Hugues Alsace te Tours, Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France.
Kind(eren):
Luitfried Luitfride Alsace Comte Tours ????-
Adela Detours ????-
Hugh Bourges Detour ????-
Petronilla Dealsace ????-
Stephen Bourges ????-
Gisela Countess Alsace 1028-????
Zij is getrouwd met (8) Hugh Detours in het jaar 795 te Tours, Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France, zij was toen 26 jaar oud.
Kind(eren):
Adelheid Carolingian Of France 817-866 Tree
Count Luitfride ????-
Hugh Tortulfe Torquat Derennes ????-
Adelaide Dealsace ????-
Hugh Dealsace ????-
Hugo Nevers ????-
Theobald de Blois ????-
Hugues Bourges ????-
Luitfrid III Of Alsace 792-865
Geoffrey Defezensac ????-
Eberhard Wichman Nordgau ± 800-> 881
Bertha Tours ????-
Ermengarde Countess Tours Empress Of Holy Roman Empire 795-????
Gilbert Champagnat 1799-1821
Hugo Magnus Robertin ????-
Rainard Debourges 832-892
Upper Alsace Luitfrid ????-
Torquat Derennes ????-
Torquat (Tortulfe) de Rennes
Ermengarde Countess Tours 795-851
Aubre Degastinais ????-1000
Luitfrid Ct Dealsace ????-780
Aelis Detours ????-
W Middle Francia Roman Empress Ermengarde Detours Consort Italy ????-
Adelaide In Alsace 835-????
Theobald Detours ????-
Bertha Detours ????-
Adelaide Detours 2000-
Geoffrey Deorleans ????-1000
Bronnen
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Attention: Husband (Hughes II "the Timid" (de Angstige) count of Tours (Hugues) de Tours) is also her cousin.
She is married to Hughes II "the Timid" (de Angstige) count of Tours (Hugues) de Tours.
They got married in the year 795 at Tours, Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France.
Kind(eren):
Adelheid Carolingian Of France 817-866 Tree
Count Luitfride ????-
Hugh Tortulfe Torquat Derennes ????-
Adelaide Dealsace ????-
Hugh Dealsace ????-
Hugo Nevers ????-
Theobald de Blois ????-
Hugues Bourges ????-
Luitfrid III Of Alsace 792-865
Geoffrey Defezensac ????-
Eberhard Wichman Nordgau ± 800-> 881
Bertha Tours ????-
Ermengarde Countess Tours Empress Of Holy Roman Empire 795-????
Gilbert Champagnat 1799-1821
Hugo Magnus Robertin ????-
Rainard Debourges 832-892
Upper Alsace Luitfrid ????-
Torquat Derennes ????-
Torquat (Tortulfe) de Rennes
Ermengarde Countess Tours 795-851
Aubre Degastinais ????-1000
Luitfrid Ct Dealsace ????-780
Aelis Detours ????-
W Middle Francia Roman Empress Ermengarde Detours Consort Italy ????-
Adelaide In Alsace 835-????
Theobald Detours ????-
Bertha Detours ????-
Adelaide Detours 2000-
Geoffrey Deorleans ????-1000
KLOPT ZEKER NIET HELEMAAL
Kind(eren):
Adelheid Carolingian Of France 817-866 Tree
Count Luitfride ????-
Hugh Tortulfe Torquat Derennes ????-
Adelaide Dealsace ????-
Hugh Dealsace ????-
Hugo Nevers ????-
Theobald de Blois ????-
Hugues Bourges ????-
Luitfrid III Of Alsace 792-865
Geoffrey Defezensac ????-
Eberhard Wichman Nordgau ± 800-> 881
Bertha Tours ????-
Ermengarde Countess Tours Empress Of Holy Roman Empire 795-????
Gilbert Champagnat 1799-1821
Hugo Magnus Robertin ????-
Rainard Debourges 832-892
Upper Alsace Luitfrid ????-
Torquat Derennes ????-
Torquat (Tortulfe) de Rennes
Ermengarde Countess Tours 795-851
Aubre Degastinais ????-
Luitfrid Ct Dealsace ????-780
Aelis Detours ????-
W Middle Francia Roman Empress Ermengarde Detours Consort Italy ????-
Adelaide In Alsace 835-????
Theobald Detours ????-
Bertha Detours ????-
Adelaide Detours
Geoffrey Deorleans
Child(ren):
http://www.geni.com/people/Ava-Bava-de-Morvois/6000000006210203413?through=6000000007331622581
Ava / Bava MP
Begraafplaats:Tours, Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France
Geboren:circa 769
Tours, Indre-et-Loire, Centre, France
Overleden:4 November 839 (66-74)
Tours, Indre Et Loire, France
Naaste Familie:
Daughter of Gérard I, count of Paris en Rotrou d'Austrasie
Wife of Hugh II "the Timid", count of Tours
Mother of Bleonus; Bertha of Tours; Hugues I, count of Bourges; Ermengarde de Tours; Eberhard II, count in Nordgau en 6 anderen
Sister of Bégon, comte de Paris, marquis de Septimanie; Étienne de Paris; Leuthard I, count of Fézensac; Audran van Friuli en Berenger di Fruili, Count of Paris
Ancestral File
name: Aba de Alsace (AFN: 3099-56C) sexo: female defunción: número de CD: 0
Matrimonios (1) cónyuge: Hugh II de Tours (AFN: 3099-2Q5)
Ocultar hijos (4)
hijo 1: Ermengarde de Tours (AFN: 309G-0RP) sexo: female nacimiento:
France
defunción: 20 March 0851
France
hijo 2: Adelaide de Tours (AFN: 3098-XH2) sexo: female defunción:
hijo 3: Bertha de Tours (AFN: 30DS-868) sexo: female nacimiento: 0794
Alsace, France
defunción: hijo 4: Hugh de Bourges Count of Bourges (AFN: 30DS-4TH) sexo: male nacimiento: 0802 defunción: Enviado por (1) ladeane270138
Cita de este registro "Ancestral File," database, FamilySearch (http://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/9SYB-533 : accessed 2014-05-11), entry for Aba de Alsace ____________________________
aka = also known as
Other Event(s)
*Note 1: Countess of Tours AKA (Facts Page): Aba
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Ava DE TOURS7
was born in 769 in Tours, , ,
She was born in 779 in Tours,
aka Ava ALSACE. aka Ava Countess Of ALSACE.
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http://genealogy-records.info/f_abd.html
Tours , Hugh (Hugues) II 'le Mefiant' [aka: Count of Orleans;Count of Tours;Count of Upper Alsace]
b. 0765 Upper, Alsace, Tours, France
d. Upper, Alsace, Tours, France
Gender: Male
Parents: - Father: Upper Alsace , Luitfrid II - Mother: Hiltrude , Miss.
Family: -Marriage: ABT 0797
Spouse: France , Ava (Aba,Bava) [aka: Countess of Tourf; Countess of Upper Alsace]
b. 0769 Tours, Indre et Loire, France d. Upper, Alsace, Tours, France - Gender: Female
*Parents: - Father: Paris , Beague - Mother: Adaltrud (Aupais,Aupala,Aupals,Alpas) , Miss
*Children: de Tours , Bertha + Eticonides , Luitfrid III
This family has 3 more children.
Unregistered versions of GED4WEB© will only output 2 children
see Rootsweb
Name: Ava (Bava) De Tours Countess Upper Alsace - Given Name: Ava (Bava)
Surname: De Tours - Suffix: Countess Upper Alsace - Sex: F
Birth: 0769 in Tours, France ( _UID: C7FE631FE293844F8D524CF1AD3A638378F5 )
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Father: Girard de Paris b: 0743 in Paris, France + Mother: Rhotrude Martel Caroling b: ABT 0744 in France
Marriage 1 Hughes II "Le Mefiant" De Alsace b: ABT 0765 in Aachen, Germany
Married: ABT 0769 in Tours, France
Children: 1.Adelheid De Alsace Princess Holy Roman Empire b: 0810 in Tours, France
____________________________
Bava de Tours, comtesse de lower Alsace[1, 2, 3] Female Abt 769 - 839
Suffix comtesse de lower Alsace Born Abt 769 of, Tours, Indre-et-Loire, France Find all individuals with events at this location Gender Female AFN 9HQD-LC Name AKA Ava [2] Name AKA Ava d'Alsace [4] Died 4 Nov 839 [5] Notes TITLES: Countess of Lower Alsace. Person ID I12816 Europe: Royal and Noble Houses of Europe Last Modified 8 Apr 2014
Family Hugues II d'Alsace, comte de Tours, b. Abt 765, of, Upper Alsace, France Find all individuals with events at this location, d. 20 Oct 837 Married Y [3, 4] Children
1. Luitfrid, Herr von Monza, b. Abt 798, of, Tours, Indre-et-Loire, France Find all individuals with events at this location, d. Abt 865-866 2. Ermengarde de Tours, Empress of Holy Roman Empire, b. Abt 802, of, , Alsace-Lorraine, France Find all individuals with events at this location, d. 20 Mar 851 3. Adela de Tours, Princess of The Holy Roman Empire, of, Tours, Indre-et-Loire, France Find all individuals with events at this location, d. Aft 866 4. Bertha de Tours, of, Tours, Indre-et-Loire, France Find all individuals with events at this location, d. Yes, date unknown 5. Hugo de Tours, of, Tours, Indre-et-Loire, France Find all individuals with events at this location, d. 25 Jan 835
Last Modified 14 Mar 2013 Family ID F7029 Group Sheet
Sources [S14] #236 Encyclopédie généalogique des maisons souveraines du monde (1959-1966), Sirjean, Gaston, (Paris: Gaston Sirjean, 1959-1966), FHL book 944 D5se., vol. 1 pt. 1 p. 53.
[S39] Medieval, royalty, nobility family group sheets (filmed 1996), Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Family History Department. Medieval Family History Unit, (Manuscript. Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1996), FHL film 1553977-1553985..
[S5] #552 Europaische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der europaischen Staaten. Neue Folge (1978), Schwennicke, Detlev, (Marburg: Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, c1978-1995 (v. 1-16) -- Frankfurt am Main: Vittorio Klostermann, c1998- Medieval Families bibliography #552.), FHL book Q 940 D5es new series., Band 3.4 Tafel 736.
[S89] La Prehistoire des Capetiens, Settipani, Christian, (??: Villeneuve d'Ascq), p. 262.
[S5] #552 Europaische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der europaischen Staaten. Neue Folge (1978), Schwennicke, Detlev, (Marburg: Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, c1978-1995 (v. 1-16) -- Frankfurt am Main: Vittorio Klostermann, c1998- Medieval Families bibliography #552.), FHL book Q 940 D5es new series., Band 1.2 Tafel 200 A.
Source: https://histfam.familysearch.org//getperson.php?personID=I12816&tree=EuropeRoyalNobleHous -------------------- Ancestral File
name: Aba de Alsace (AFN: 3099-56C) sexo: female defunción: número de CD: 0
Matrimonios (1) cónyuge: Hugh II de Tours (AFN: 3099-2Q5)
Ocultar hijos (4) hijo 1: Ermengarde de Tours (AFN: 309G-0RP) sexo: female nacimiento:
France defunción: 20 March 0851
France hijo 2: Adelaide de Tours (AFN: 3098-XH2) sexo: female defunción:
hijo 3: Bertha de Tours (AFN: 30DS-868) sexo: female nacimiento: 0794
Alsace, France defunción: hijo 4: Hugh de Bourges Count of Bourges (AFN: 30DS-4TH) sexo: male nacimiento: 0802 defunción: Enviado por (1) ladeane270138
Cita de este registro "Ancestral File," database, FamilySearch (http://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/9SYB-533 : accessed 2014-05-11), entry for Aba de Alsace ____________________________
aka = also known as
Other Event(s)
Note 1: Countess of Tours AKA (Facts Page): Aba
-------------------- Ava DE TOURS7
was born in 769 in Tours, , , She was born in 779 in Tours, aka Ava ALSACE. aka Ava Countess Of ALSACE. --------------------------- http://genealogy-records.info/f_abd.html
Tours , Hugh (Hugues) II 'le Mefiant' [aka: Count of Orleans;Count of Tours;Count of Upper Alsace] b. 0765 Upper, Alsace, Tours, France d. Upper, Alsace, Tours, France Gender: Male Parents: - Father: Upper Alsace , Luitfrid II - Mother: Hiltrude , Miss. Family: -Marriage: ABT 0797 Spouse: France , Ava (Aba,Bava) [aka: Countess of Tourf; Countess of Upper Alsace] b. 0769 Tours, Indre et Loire, France d. Upper, Alsace, Tours, France - Gender: Female
Parents: - Father: Paris , Beague - Mother: Adaltrud (Aupais,Aupala,Aupals,Alpas) , Miss
Children: de Tours , Bertha + Eticonides , Luitfrid III
This family has 3 more children. Unregistered versions of GED4WEB© will only output 2 children see Rootsweb Name: Ava (Bava) De Tours Countess Upper Alsace - Given Name: Ava (Bava) Surname: De Tours - Suffix: Countess Upper Alsace - Sex: F Birth: 0769 in Tours, France ( _UID: C7FE631FE293844F8D524CF1AD3A638378F5 ) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Father: Girard de Paris b: 0743 in Paris, France + Mother: Rhotrude Martel Caroling b: ABT 0744 in France Marriage 1 Hughes II "Le Mefiant" De Alsace b: ABT 0765 in Aachen, Germany Married: ABT 0769 in Tours, France Children: 1.Adelheid De Alsace Princess Holy Roman Empire b: 0810 in Tours, France ____________________________
Bava de Tours, comtesse de lower Alsace[1, 2, 3] Female Abt 769 - 839
Suffix comtesse de lower Alsace Born Abt 769 of, Tours, Indre-et-Loire, France Find all individuals with events at this location Gender Female AFN 9HQD-LC Name AKA Ava [2] Name AKA Ava d'Alsace [4] Died 4 Nov 839 [5] Notes TITLES: Countess of Lower Alsace. Person ID I12816 Europe: Royal and Noble Houses of Europe Last Modified 8 Apr 2014
Family Hugues II d'Alsace, comte de Tours, b. Abt 765, of, Upper Alsace, France Find all individuals with events at this location, d. 20 Oct 837 Married Y [3, 4] Children
1. Luitfrid, Herr von Monza, b. Abt 798, of, Tours, Indre-et-Loire, France Find all individuals with events at this location, d. Abt 865-866 2. Ermengarde de Tours, Empress of Holy Roman Empire, b. Abt 802, of, , Alsace-Lorraine, France Find all individuals with events at this location, d. 20 Mar 851 3. Adela de Tours, Princess of The Holy Roman Empire, of, Tours, Indre-et-Loire, France Find all individuals with events at this location, d. Aft 866 4. Bertha de Tours, of, Tours, Indre-et-Loire, France Find all individuals with events at this location, d. Yes, date unknown 5. Hugo de Tours, of, Tours, Indre-et-Loire, France Find all individuals with events at this location, d. 25 Jan 835 Last Modified 14 Mar 2013 Family ID F7029 Group Sheet
Sources [S14] #236 Encyclopédie généalogique des maisons souveraines du monde (1959-1966), Sirjean, Gaston, (Paris: Gaston Sirjean, 1959-1966), FHL book 944 D5se., vol. 1 pt. 1 p. 53.
[S39] Medieval, royalty, nobility family group sheets (filmed 1996), Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Family History Department. Medieval Family History Unit, (Manuscript. Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1996), FHL film 1553977-1553985..
[S5] #552 Europaische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der europaischen Staaten. Neue Folge (1978), Schwennicke, Detlev, (Marburg: Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, c1978-1995 (v. 1-16) -- Frankfurt am Main: Vittorio Klostermann, c1998- Medieval Families bibliography #552.), FHL book Q 940 D5es new series., Band 3.4 Tafel 736.
[S89] La Prehistoire des Capetiens, Settipani, Christian, (??: Villeneuve d'Ascq), p. 262.
[S5] #552 Europaische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der europaischen Staaten. Neue Folge (1978), Schwennicke, Detlev, (Marburg: Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, c1978-1995 (v. 1-16) -- Frankfurt am Main: Vittorio Klostermann, c1998- Medieval Families bibliography #552.), FHL book Q 940 D5es new series., Band 1.2 Tafel 200 A.
Source: https://histfam.familysearch.org//getperson.php?personID=I12816&tree=EuropeRoyalNobleHous
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name: Aba de Alsace (AFN: 3099-56C) sexo: female defunción: número de CD: 0
Matrimonios (1) cónyuge: Hugh II de Tours (AFN: 3099-2Q5)
Ocultar hijos (4) hijo 1: Ermengarde de Tours (AFN: 309G-0RP) sexo: female nacimiento:
France defunción: 20 March 0851
France hijo 2: Adelaide de Tours (AFN: 3098-XH2) sexo: female defunción:
hijo 3: Bertha de Tours (AFN: 30DS-868) sexo: female nacimiento: 0794
Alsace, France defunción: hijo 4: Hugh de Bourges Count of Bourges (AFN: 30DS-4TH) sexo: male nacimiento: 0802 defunción: Enviado por (1) ladeane270138
Cita de este registro "Ancestral File," database, FamilySearch (http://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/9SYB-533 : accessed 2014-05-11), entry for Aba de Alsace ____________________________
aka = also known as
Other Event(s)
Note 1: Countess of Tours AKA (Facts Page): Aba
-------------------- Ava DE TOURS7
was born in 769 in Tours, , , She was born in 779 in Tours, aka Ava ALSACE. aka Ava Countess Of ALSACE. --------------------------- http://genealogy-records.info/f_abd.html
Tours , Hugh (Hugues) II 'le Mefiant' [aka: Count of Orleans;Count of Tours;Count of Upper Alsace] b. 0765 Upper, Alsace, Tours, France d. Upper, Alsace, Tours, France Gender: Male Parents: - Father: Upper Alsace , Luitfrid II - Mother: Hiltrude , Miss. Family: -Marriage: ABT 0797 Spouse: France , Ava (Aba,Bava) [aka: Countess of Tourf; Countess of Upper Alsace] b. 0769 Tours, Indre et Loire, France d. Upper, Alsace, Tours, France - Gender: Female
Parents: - Father: Paris , Beague - Mother: Adaltrud (Aupais,Aupala,Aupals,Alpas) , Miss
Children: de Tours , Bertha + Eticonides , Luitfrid III
This family has 3 more children. Unregistered versions of GED4WEB© will only output 2 children see Rootsweb Name: Ava (Bava) De Tours Countess Upper Alsace - Given Name: Ava (Bava) Surname: De Tours - Suffix: Countess Upper Alsace - Sex: F Birth: 0769 in Tours, France ( _UID: C7FE631FE293844F8D524CF1AD3A638378F5 ) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Father: Girard de Paris b: 0743 in Paris, France + Mother: Rhotrude Martel Caroling b: ABT 0744 in France Marriage 1 Hughes II "Le Mefiant" De Alsace b: ABT 0765 in Aachen, Germany Married: ABT 0769 in Tours, France Children: 1.Adelheid De Alsace Princess Holy Roman Empire b: 0810 in Tours, France ____________________________
Bava de Tours, comtesse de lower Alsace[1, 2, 3] Female Abt 769 - 839
Suffix comtesse de lower Alsace Born Abt 769 of, Tours, Indre-et-Loire, France Find all individuals with events at this location Gender Female AFN 9HQD-LC Name AKA Ava [2] Name AKA Ava d'Alsace [4] Died 4 Nov 839 [5] Notes TITLES: Countess of Lower Alsace. Person ID I12816 Europe: Royal and Noble Houses of Europe Last Modified 8 Apr 2014
Family Hugues II d'Alsace, comte de Tours, b. Abt 765, of, Upper Alsace, France Find all individuals with events at this location, d. 20 Oct 837 Married Y [3, 4] Children
1. Luitfrid, Herr von Monza, b. Abt 798, of, Tours, Indre-et-Loire, France Find all individuals with events at this location, d. Abt 865-866 2. Ermengarde de Tours, Empress of Holy Roman Empire, b. Abt 802, of, , Alsace-Lorraine, France Find all individuals with events at this location, d. 20 Mar 851 3. Adela de Tours, Princess of The Holy Roman Empire, of, Tours, Indre-et-Loire, France Find all individuals with events at this location, d. Aft 866 4. Bertha de Tours, of, Tours, Indre-et-Loire, France Find all individuals with events at this location, d. Yes, date unknown 5. Hugo de Tours, of, Tours, Indre-et-Loire, France Find all individuals with events at this location, d. 25 Jan 835 Last Modified 14 Mar 2013 Family ID F7029 Group Sheet
Sources [S14] #236 Encyclopédie généalogique des maisons souveraines du monde (1959-1966), Sirjean, Gaston, (Paris: Gaston Sirjean, 1959-1966), FHL book 944 D5se., vol. 1 pt. 1 p. 53.
[S39] Medieval, royalty, nobility family group sheets (filmed 1996), Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Family History Department. Medieval Family History Unit, (Manuscript. Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1996), FHL film 1553977-1553985..
[S5] #552 Europaische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der europaischen Staaten. Neue Folge (1978), Schwennicke, Detlev, (Marburg: Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, c1978-1995 (v. 1-16) -- Frankfurt am Main: Vittorio Klostermann, c1998- Medieval Families bibliography #552.), FHL book Q 940 D5es new series., Band 3.4 Tafel 736.
[S89] La Prehistoire des Capetiens, Settipani, Christian, (??: Villeneuve d'Ascq), p. 262.
[S5] #552 Europaische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der europaischen Staaten. Neue Folge (1978), Schwennicke, Detlev, (Marburg: Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, c1978-1995 (v. 1-16) -- Frankfurt am Main: Vittorio Klostermann, c1998- Medieval Families bibliography #552.), FHL book Q 940 D5es new series., Band 1.2 Tafel 200 A.
Source: https://histfam.familysearch.org//getperson.php?personID=I12816&tree=EuropeRoyalNobleHous
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Daughter ofGérard I, count of Paris en Rotrou d'Austrasie
Wife ofHugh II "the Timid", count of Tours
Mother ofBleonus; Bertha of Tours; Hugues I, count of Bourges; Ermengarde de Tours; Eberhard II, count in Nordgau en 6 anderen
Sister ofBégon, comte de Paris, marquis de Septimanie; Étienne de Paris; Leuthard I, count of Fézensac; Audran van Friuli en Berenger di Fruili, Count of Paris
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Persoonlijk
Ook bekend als:Engels (standaard): Aba, Abba, Ava, Bava, /Aba/Bava de Tours, Countess of Lower Alsace
Beroep:Countess Sundgau (Upper Alsace), Countess of Tours
Meest voorkomende namen
de Tours, de Paris, Duke of Ingelheim, von Sundgau en 3 anderen
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