Genealogy Van Zanen » Isabelle "Elizabeth Holland" de Hainaut (1318-1361)

Personal data Isabelle "Elizabeth Holland" de Hainaut 

• Alternative names: Elizabeth Countess Of Hainaut, Elisabeth OR Isabella
• Nickname is Elizabeth Holland.
• She was born in the year 1318Le Quesnoy, Comté de Hainaut (Present Region Nord-Pas-de-Calais), Saint-Empire romain germanique (within present France).
• Baptized (at 8 years of age or later) by the priesthood authority of the LDS church on November 11, 1939.
• Alternative: Baptized (at 8 years of age or later) by the priesthood authority of the LDS church on November 11, 1939.
• She died on January 30, 1361, she was 43 years oldLancaster, England, (Present UK).
• A child of Guillaume III 'le Bon' d'Avesnes and Jeanne de Valois
• This information was last updated on January 2, 2012.

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The following post to SGM, 12 Oct 2002, by Douglas Richardson tentatively identifies Elizabeth as an illegitimate sister of Philippe of Hainault (wife of King Edward III):
From: Douglas Richardson ((XXXXX@XXXX.XXX)) Subject: Elizabeth de Holand, bastard sister of Queen Philippe of Hainault Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval Date: 2002-10-12 17:03:37 PST
Bert Kamp's recent post on the birth order of Queen Philippe of Hainault (wife of King Edward III) and her sisters brought to mind another question related to the comital Hainault family.
In the course of my research for the forthcoming Plantagenet Ancestry book, I've encountered a grant dated 1367 whereby King Edward III of England, at the instance of his wife, Philippe, granted to her bastard sister, Elizabeth de Holand, twenty pounds of money annually at the Exchequer [Reference: Calendar of Patent Rolls, 1367-1370 (published 1913), pg.]. To my knowledge, this sister of Queen Philippe is unknown in Hainault records and no one has attempted to identity her in English records either.
Inasmuch as Queen Philippe's father, William, was Count of Hainault and Holand, Brice Clagett has suggested to me privately the possibility that Elizabeth de Holand obtained her surname from the locality of Holand on the Continent. However, it is also possible that she is identical with Elizabeth, wife of Robert de Holand, Knt., 2nd Lord Holand, of Thorpe Waterville, co. Northampton. Elizabeth, wife of Lord Holand, was married before 1343 and was evidently living at the time King Edward III made the grant to his wife's bastard sister. It is rather unusual that Lord Holand's wife's surname is not known, as in the normal scheme of things, his wife should have derived from one of England's better families and would be well documented in the records. If Lord Holand's wife was foreign born, however, it would explain her failure to appear as a daughter among the records of contemporary families of baronial rank.
Robert de Holand, 2nd Lord Holand, and his wife, Elizabeth, had four identifiable sons, Robert, Thomas, Gilbert (clerk), and John, as well as one probable daughter, Margaret, wife of Marmaduke de Lumley. My research shows that on Marmaduke de Lumley's death, Queen Philippe acquired the marriage of his son and heir. If Marmaduke de Lumley's wife, Margaret, was Queen Philippe's niece, then it would explain Queen Philippe's interest in the Lumley family.
Perhaps Bert could comment on the likelihood that Queen Philippe's bastard sister was known as "de Holand" due to her father being Count of Hainault and Holand. Also, I'm aware that Queen Philippe had several illegitimate brothers which appear in Hainault records. Perhaps Bert could list them for us. Several American immigrants descend from Elizabeth, wife of Lord Holand. So, if this matter could be resolved, it might open up much new ancestry for many people here on the newsgroup.
Beyond Queen Philippe's sister, Elizabeth de Holand, it appears Queen Philippe also had another kinswoman with her in England who married a member of the Louth family of Huntingdonshire. However, unlike the exact reference to Elizabeth de Holand, it is unclear how the Louth woman was related to Queen Philippe. More than likely one could identity the Louth woman by examining the names of Queen Philippe's damsels, as the Louth woman was presumably brought to England as a damsel to Queen Philippe. I know of one American immigrant who descends from the Louth family.
Lastly, sometime ago, a thread was generated regarding people's favorite Queen in English history. My vote goes to Queen Philippe of Hainault. She was the epitome of all that embodies a woman of state, family, and virtue.

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