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Personal data Judith de Rethel 

• She was born before 1025.
• This information was last updated on July 27, 2022.

Household of Judith de Rethel

She is married to Manassès III de Rethel.

They got married.

Child(ren):

1. Hugues I de Rethel  ± 1045-± 1118 

Notes about Judith de Rethel

Judith de Rethel
Gender:
Female
Birth:
circa 1025
Immediate Family:
Wife of Manassès III, count of Rethel

Mother of Hugues I, count of Rethel

https://www.geni.com/people/Judith-de-Rethel/6000000185865408861

Judith de Rethel is your 28th great grandmother.
You
¬â€  ·Üí Geneva Allene Welborn (Smith)
your mother ·Üí Henry Loyd Smith Sr.
her father ·Üí Edgar Jackson Smith (Edgar Jackson Smith)
his father ·Üí Margaret Jane Smith (Houser)
his mother ·Üí Susannah Houser (Moore)
her mother ·Üí Sarah ·ÄúSally·Äù Moore (Jones)
her mother ·Üí Eleanor Penelope Jones (Brooks)
her mother ·Üí Brambly Wade Bennett
her mother ·Üí Mary Bennett (Rogers)
her mother ·Üí William Rogers, of Roger's Plantation
her father ·Üí John Rogers, of James City
his father ·Üí John Rogers
his father ·Üí Alice Rogers (Calle)
his mother ·Üí Richard Calle
her father ·Üí John (or?) William Calle
his father ·Üí Margery Paston
his mother ·Üí Margaret Paston (de Mauteby)
her mother ·Üí John de Mautby
her father ·Üí Margaret de Mautby (de Beauchamp)
his mother ·Üí Sir Roger de Beauchamp, of Bletsoe
her father ·Üí Lord Roger de Beauchamp, Sr., 1st Baron Beauchamp of Bletso
his father ·Üí Sir Walter de Beauchamp, of Elmley & Alcester, Sheriff of Worcestershire
his father ·Üí Isabel de Mauduit
his mother ·Üí Alice de Newburgh
her mother ·Üí Alice de Harcourt, Lady of Warwick
her mother ·Üí Isabel de Camville
her mother ·Üí Melisende de Rethel
her mother ·Üí Gervais, count of Rethel
her father ·Üí Hugues I, count of Rethel
his father ·Üí Judith de Rethel
his mother

-https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/champorret.htm#ManassesIIRetheldie...
1. MANASSES [III] (-1081 or after). ... ... ...
m (before [1045/55][321] ) JUDITH, daughter of --- ([1020/30]-). A charter dated 26 Sep 1081 records the restoration of privileges granted by ·ÄúManasses Regitestensis comes·Äù, with the consent of ·Äúuxore Judiz et venerabili Hugone filio·Äù, to the chapter of Braux[322]. Her birth date range is estimated for consistency with the estimated birth dates of her descendants.
Her origin is unknown, three possible origins have been suggested:
¬âˆ‘ JUDITH [de Roucy, daughter of --- & his wife --- ]. The Genealogici√¶ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Lebaldus de Malla et·Ä¶Iveta comitissa de Retest" as brother and sister of "Ebalus de Roceio" and, in a later passage, "Iuetta soror·Ä¶Letaldi de Marla" as mother of "Hugonem comitem de Retest"[323]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "comitissa de Reitest, uxor comitis Manesserii Iutta·Äù as sister of "fraters Ebalus comes de Roceio et Letardus domnus de Marla"[324]. Given the estimated birth date of Judith, wife of Comte Manass√®s, as shown above, it is chronologically impossible for her to have been the daughter of Giselbert Comte de Roucy, who died in the last years of the 10th century. However, it is not impossible that she was the uterine half-sister of Ebles Comte de Roucy, assuming that their mother remarried after the death of her husband Giselbert.
¬âˆ‘ [ IDA ] [de Boulogne, daughter of EUSTACHE I Comte de Boulogne & his wife Mathilde de Louvain.] Receuil des historiens des croisades[325], Runciman[326] and Riley-Smith[327] all say that the paternal grandmother of Baudouin II King of Jerusalem was the daughter of Eustache I Comte de Boulogne, but the primary source on which this suggestion is based has not yet been identified. Runciman1361 and Riley-Smith1362 both call her "Ida", which is inconsistent with the charter evidence cited above, Runciman naming her husband "Baldwin of Le Bourg Count of Rethel" which is doubly inconsistent. There is no mention of such a daughter in the Genealogica comitum Boloniensium. Chronologically, this origin is more appealing than the Roucy hypothesis, given the estimated birth date range of Eustache II Comte de Boulogne, son of Comte Eustache I, in [1015/20].
¬âˆ‘ [ JUDITH ] of Lotharingia, daughter of GODEFROI "le Barbu" Duke of Lower Lotharingia & his first wife Doda ---. In the commentary to "Li Estoire de Jerusalem et d'Antioche", the wife of Manass√®s is referred to as an unnamed daughter of Godefroi "le Barbu" Duke of Lower Lotharingia, therefore sister of Ida who married Eustache II Comte de Boulogne[328]. If this is correct, it would provide an explanation for the evidently close family relationship between Baudouin I King of Jerusalem and his successor King Baudouin II, the exact nature of which has not been confirmed from other sources. While no primary source has yet been identified which provides direct confirmation of this hypothesis, the charter dated [1065/66] under which "dux et marchio Godefridus·Ä¶uxoris mee Beatricis" confirmed the rights of the church of Verdun Sainte-Vanne was issued with the consent of "comitis Manasse" and is subscribed by "comitis Manasse et filii eius Rainaldi·Ä¶"[329]. If Manass√®s Comte de Rethel was Duke Godefroi's son-in-law, this would provide an explanation for his involvement in this charter which is otherwise difficult to explain.
Count Manassès [III] & his wife had [three] children:

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