Family Tree Welborn » Manassâ®s III de Rethel count of Rethel (± 990-± 1056)
Personal data Manassâ®s III de Rethel count of Rethel
- He was born about 990 in Rethel, Ardennes, Champagne-Ardenne, France.
- He died about 1056 in Rethel, Ardennes, Champagne-Ardenne, France.
- A child of Manassâ®s II de Rethel
- This information was last updated on July 27, 2022.
Household of Manassâ®s III de Rethel count of Rethel
(1) He is married to Judith Yvette de Roucy.
They got married.
(2) He is married to Judith de Rethel.
They got married
Child(ren):
Notes about Manassâ®s III de Rethel count of Rethel
Manassâ®s III, count of Rethel
Manassâ®s de Rethel, comte de Rethel
Gender:
Male
Birth:
circa 990
Rethel, Ardennes, Champagne-Ardenne, France
Death:
circa 1056 (57-75)
Rethel, Ardennes, Champagne-Ardenne, France
Immediate Family:
Husband of Judith de Rethel
Father of Hugues I, count of Rethel
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her mother ·Üí Clâ©mence-Agathe de Rethel
her mother ·Üí Gauthier, Count of Rethel
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son of Manassâ®s II, count of Rethel
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1. MANASSES [III] (-1081 or after). Assuming that the chronology of the earlier members of the Rethel family is correctly shown above, it appears unlikely that Manassâ®s [III] was the son of Manassâ®s [II]. It is more likely that there was an intervening generation, about which no information has been uncovered in the primary sources so far consulted. Comte de Rethel. The Gesta Episcoporum Virdunensium names "Manassem comitem de castro Retexto" in an undated passage which appears to relate to events in the early 1080s[319]. A charter dated 26 Sep 1081 records the restoration of privileges granted by ·ÄúManasses Regitestensis comes·Äù, with the consent of ·Äúuxore Judiz et venerabili Hugone filio·Äù, to the chapter of Braux[320].
m (before [1045/55][321] ) JUDITH, daughter of --- ([1020/30]-). A charter dated 26 Sep 1081 records the restoration of privileges granted by ·ÄúManasses Regitestensis comes·Äù, with the consent of ·Äúuxore Judiz et venerabili Hugone filio·Äù, to the chapter of Braux[322]. Her birth date range is estimated for consistency with the estimated birth dates of her descendants.
Her origin is unknown, three possible origins have been suggested:
JUDITH [de Roucy, daughter of --- & his wife ---].
[ IDA ] [de Boulogne, daughter of EUSTACHE I Comte de Boulogne & his wife Mathilde de Louvain.]
[ JUDITH ] of Lotharingia, daughter of GODEFROI "le Barbu" Duke of Lower Lotharingia & his first wife Doda
Count Manassâ®s [III] & his wife had [three] children:
1.¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â MANASSES [III] (-1081 or after).¬â Assuming that the chronology of the earlier members of the Rethel family is correctly shown above, it appears unlikely that Manassâ®s [III] was the son of Manassâ®s [II].¬â It is more likely that there was an intervening generation, about which no information has been uncovered in the primary sources so far consulted.¬â Comte de Rethel.¬â The Gesta Episcoporum Virdunensium names "Manassem comitem de castro Retexto" in an undated passage which appears to relate to events in the early 1080s[319].¬â A charter dated 26 Sep 1081 records the restoration of privileges granted by ·ÄúManasses Regitestensis comes·Äù, with the consent of ·Äúuxore Judiz et venerabili Hugone filio·Äù, to the chapter of Braux[320].¬â m (before [1045/55][321]) JUDITH, daughter of --- ([1020/30]-).¬â A charter dated 26 Sep 1081 records the restoration of privileges granted by ·ÄúManasses Regitestensis comes·Äù, with the consent of ·Äúuxore Judiz et venerabili Hugone filio·Äù, to the chapter of Braux[322].¬â Her birth date range is estimated for consistency with the estimated birth dates of her descendants.¬â Her origin is unknown, three possible origins have been suggested:¬â
¬â¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â JUDITH [de Roucy, daughter of --- & his wife ---].¬â The GenealogiciⶠScriptoris Fusniacensis names "Lebaldus de Malla et·Ä¶Iveta comitissa de Retest" as brother and sister of "Ebalus de Roceio" and, in a later passage, "Iuetta soror·Ä¶Letaldi de Marla" as mother of "Hugonem comitem de Retest"[323].¬â The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "comitissa de Reitest, uxor comitis Manesserii Iutta·Äù as sister of "fraters Ebalus comes de Roceio et Letardus domnus de Marla"[324].¬â Given the estimated birth date of Judith, wife of Comte Manassâ®s, as shown above, it is chronologically impossible for her to have been the daughter of Giselbert Comte de Roucy, who died in the last years of the 10th century.¬â However, it is not impossible that she was the uterine half-sister of Ebles Comte de Roucy, assuming that their mother remarried after the death of her husband Giselbert.¬â
‰‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ [IDA] [de Boulogne, daughter of EUSTACHE I Comte de Boulogne & his wife Mathilde de Louvain.]‰ Receuil des historiens des croisades[325], Runciman[326] and Riley-Smith[327] all say that the paternal grandmother of Baudouin II King of Jerusalem was the daughter of Eustache I Comte de Boulogne, but the primary source on which this suggestion is based has not yet been identified.‰ Runciman1361 and Riley-Smith1362 both call her "Ida", which is inconsistent with the charter evidence cited above, Runciman naming her husband "Baldwin of Le Bourg Count of Rethel" which is doubly inconsistent.‰ There is no mention of such a daughter in the Genealogica comitum Boloniensium.‰ Chronologically, this origin is more appealing than the Roucy hypothesis, given the estimated birth date range of Eustache II Comte de Boulogne, son of Comte Eustache I, in [1015/20].‰
¬â¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â [JUDITH] of Lotharingia, daughter of GODEFROI "le Barbu" Duke of Lower Lotharingia & his first wife Doda ---.¬â In the commentary to "Li Estoire de Jerusalem et d'Antioche", the wife of Manassâ®s is referred to as an unnamed daughter of Godefroi "le Barbu" Duke of Lower Lotharingia, therefore sister of Ida who married Eustache II Comte de Boulogne[328].¬â If this is correct, it would provide an explanation for the evidently close family relationship between Baudouin I King of Jerusalem and his successor King Baudouin II, the exact nature of which has not been confirmed from other sources.¬â While no primary source has yet been identified which provides direct confirmation of this hypothesis, the charter dated [1065/66] under which "dux et marchio Godefridus·Ä¶uxoris mee Beatricis" confirmed the rights of the church of Verdun Sainte-Vanne was issued with the consent of "comitis Manasse" and is subscribed by "comitis Manasse et filii eius Rainaldi·Ä¶"[329].¬â If Manassâ®s Comte de Rethel was Duke Godefroi's son-in-law, this would provide an explanation for his involvement in this charter which is otherwise difficult to explain.¬â
Count Manassâ®s [III] & his wife had [three] children:¬â
a)¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â [RENAUD (-after [1065/66]).¬â "Dux et marchio Godefridus·Ä¶uxoris mee Beatricis" confirmed the rights of the church of Verdun Sainte-Vanne granted by "patre meo Gozelone", with the consent of "comitis Manasse", by charter dated [1065/66], subscribed by "comitis Manasse et filii eius Rainaldi, Hezelini comitis, comitis Arnulfi de Chisneio"[330].¬â It is not certain that "comitis Manasse" refers to Manassâ®s [III] Comte de Rethel.¬â However, no other count of this name has so far been identified at the time.¬â In addition, his involvement in the grant in this charter tends to corroborate the hypothesis that he may have been the son-in-law of Godefroi "le Barbu" Duke of Lower Lotharingia (see above).¬â If that is correct, Renaud, presumably his parents' eldest son, probably died young soon after the date of this charter.]¬â
b)‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ HUGUES de Rethel ([1045/55]-28 Dec [1118]).‰ A charter dated 26 Sep 1081 records the restoration of privileges granted by လManasses Regitestensis comesဝ, with the consent of လuxore Judiz et venerabili Hugone filioဝ, to the chapter of Braux[331].‰ His birth date range is estimated from the probable birth date range of his son Baudouin.‰ He succeeded his father in [1081] as Comte de Rethel.‰
-‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ see below.‰
c)¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â [--- .¬â Assuming that ·Äúnepote·Äù in the charter quoted below can be interpreted in its strict sense of nephew, one of the parents of Hâ©ribert (presumably his mother) was the sibling of Comte Hugues.]¬â m ---.¬â One child:¬â
i)‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ HERIBERT (-after [1120]).‰ လRainaldo castellano de Barcho, Heriberto nepote ipsius comitis...ဝ subscribed the charter dated to [1120] under which လLeudo de Altomonte et uxor eius Hildiaris et filia eorum Pontiaဝ donated လmolendini...ad Berniacum in feodum de comite Hugone Registesteဝ to Saint-Denis[332].‰
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