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Personal data Helgaud I de Montreuil

He was born about 805 in Ponthieu, France.
He died in the year 864 in Ponthieu, France.
A child of Nithard "the Chronicler" de Montreuil de Ponthieu
This information was last updated on June 22, 2021.

Household of Helgaud I de Montreuil

He is married to Berthe of Boulogne (de Ponthieu).

They got married

Child(ren):

Herbouin I Herlouin Herluin de Ponthieu 830-± 878

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her mother ·Üí John Stourton, of Preston, MP
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her mother ·Üí Sir William de Vescy, Lord of Alnwick
her father ·Üí Eustace de Vesci, Lord of Alnwick Castle and Surety of the Magna Carta
his father ·Üí William FitzEustace de Vesci
his father ·Üí Eustace FitzJohn, Lord of Alnwick, Constable of Knaresborough and Cheshire
his father ·Üí Magdalena Cecily Fitznigel de Blois
his mother ·Üí Gersende du Maine
her mother ·Üí Heribert I "ââveille-chien" du Maine, comte du maine
her father ·Üí Hugues III du Maine
his father ·Üí Hugues II du Maine, Comte du Maine
his father ·Üí David or Hugues du Maine
his father ·Üí Hugues I, Comte du Maine
his father ·Üí Roger du Maine, Comte du Maine
his father ·Üí Helgaud de Ponthieu, comte de Montreuil
his father ·Üí Herbouin I, count of Ponthieu
his father ·Üí Helgaud de Montreuil, I
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Helgaud de Montreuil, I is your 33rd great grandfather.
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her mother ·Üí Grace Halstead
her mother ·Üí John Courtenay of Molland, III
her father ·Üí Margaret Courtenay
his mother ·Üí Sir John Wyndham
her father ·Üí Florence Wadham
his mother ·Üí Sir John Wadham of Merifield
her father ·Üí Joan Wadham
his mother ·Üí Alice Hill
her mother ·Üí John Stourton, of Preston, MP
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his father ·Üí Joan de Stourton
his mother ·Üí Juliana Vernon
her mother ·Üí Sir William de Vescy, Lord of Alnwick
her father ·Üí Eustace de Vesci, Lord of Alnwick Castle and Surety of the Magna Carta
his father ·Üí William FitzEustace de Vesci
his father ·Üí Eustace FitzJohn, Lord of Alnwick, Constable of Knaresborough and Cheshire
his father ·Üí Magdalena Cecily Fitznigel de Blois
his mother ·Üí Gersende du Maine
her mother ·Üí Heribert I, comte du Maine
her father ·Üí Hugues III, comte du Maine
his father ·Üí Hugues II, count of Maine
his father ·Üí Hugues, count of Maine
his father ·Üí Comte Rainaud
his father ·Üí Helgaud de Ponthieu, comte de Montreuil
his father ·Üí Herbouin I, count of Ponthieu
his father ·Üí Helgaud de Montreuil, I
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Helgaud de Montreuil, I
Gender:
Male
Birth:
circa 805¬â
Ponthieu, France
Death:
864¬â (55-63)¬â
Ponthieu, France
Immediate Family:
Son of¬â Nithard "the Chronicler"¬â and¬â Wife of Nithard van Ponthieu¬â
Husband of¬â Oneca de Pamplona Iniguez¬â and¬â Berthe of Boulogne¬â
Father of¬â Berthe van Boulogne;¬â Hildouin de Ponthieu, I¬â and¬â Herbouin I, count of Ponthieu¬â

Oswin de BOULOGNE
Born in 790
Deceased in 853 , age at death: 63 years old
Parents Hatton de Tournehem de BOULOGNE 770-836 ? ?
Spouses and children
Married to ? ? with
Helgaud II de Boulogne de MONTREUIL 805-859

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Helgaud II de Boulogne de MONTREUIL
Born in 805 Deceased in 859 , age at death: 54 years old
Parents Oswin de BOULOGNE 790-853 ? ?
Spouses and children
Married to Berthe de PONTHIEU 805-859 with
F Berthe de PONTHIEU 827-
M Herluin Ierde Ponthieu de MONTREUIL 830-878

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Chapter 2.¬â ¬â ¬â COMTES de MONTREUIL
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1.¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â HELGAUD, son of --- (-[866]).¬â Abbâ© de Saint-Riquier.¬â The Chronique de Saint Riquier records that "le comte Helgaud" succeeded "Rodolphe·Ä¶du sang imperial" as lay abbot of Saint-Riquier and that he was succeeded by "Guelfon·Ä¶du sang royal"[552].¬â "Rodolphe" is identified with Rudolf Comte de Sens, brother of Empress Judith, who died in 866, and "Guelfon" as Rudolf's son.¬â This casts doubt on the chronology of this passage as, if the relationship between Rudolf and Welf is correctly identified, it is likely that the son succeeded the father as lay abbot as such a post was often hereditary.¬â same person as·Ä¶?¬â HELGAUD (-after 879).¬â Flodoard records "terra filiorum Balduini, Rodulfi quoque de Gangeio atque Hilgaudi" in 925[553].¬â Comte de Montreuil 877-879.¬â It is probable that Helgaud, abbâ© de Saint-Riquier, and his son Herluin are in fact the same people as Helgaud Comte de Montreuil 877-79 and his son Herluin who died in 945, and that the Chronique de Saint-Riquier is inaccurate in its chronology relating to the supposedly earlier father and son of these names.¬â m ---.¬â The name of Helgaud's wife is not known.¬â Helgaud & his wife had one child:
a)¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â HERLUIN (-killed in battle 13 Jul 945).¬â Flodoard names "Monasteriolum castellum Erluini filii Hilgaudi comitis" when recording that Montreuil was besieged by "Heribertus et Hugo"[554].¬â The Chronique de Saint Riquier names "Herluin·Ä¶comte" as son of "le comte Helgaud" lay abbot of Saint-Riquier[555].¬â As noted above, it is possible that Helgaud and his son Herluin are in fact the same people as Helgaud Comte de Montreuil 877-79 and his son Herluin who died in 945 (see below), and that the Chronique de Saint-Riquier is inaccurate in its chronology relating to the supposedly earlier father and son of these names.¬â Comte de Montreuil.¬â Arnoul Count of Flanders captured Montreuil in 939: Flodoard records in 939 that ·Äúcomes Arnulfus·Äù captured ·Äúcastellum Erluini...Monasteriolum·Äù and that he sent ·Äúuxorem ipsius Erluini...cum filiis·Äù across the sea ·Äúad Alstanum regem·Äù[556].¬â Guillaume of Jumiâ®ges records that ·ÄúArnulfus Flandrensis comes·Äù captured "castrum...Monasteriolum" from ·Äúcomiti...Herluino·Äù, who sought help from ·ÄúNormanniâ¶ dominum·Äù who recaptured the castle for Herluin[557].¬â Comte d'Amiens 944/45.¬â He was killed fighting the Normans.¬â The Liber Modernorum Regum Francorum records the death of "Herluinus Monasterioli castro comes" fighting "Aygroldo regi Danorum"[558].¬â Guillaume de Jumiâ®ges records that ·ÄúHerluini·Äù was killed on the orders of ·ÄúHaigroldo regi Danorum·Äù[559].¬â m firstly (divorced before 927) ---.¬â The primary source which confirms her marriage has not been identified.¬â m secondly (before 927) --- (-after 939).¬â Flodoard records in 939 that ·Äúcomes Arnulfus·Äù captured ·Äúcastellum Erluini...Monasteriolum·Äù and that he sent ·Äúuxorem ipsius Erluini...cum filiis·Äù across the sea ·Äúad Alstanum regem·Äù[560].¬â Comte Herluin & his second wife had [two or more] children:
i)¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â children (-after 939).¬â Flodoard records in 939 that ·Äúcomes Arnulfus·Äù captured ·Äúcastellum Erluini...Monasteriolum·Äù and that he sent ·Äúuxorem ipsius Erluini...cum filiis·Äù across the sea ·Äúad Alstanum regem·Äù[561].¬â There is no indication about the number of children nor whether Roger, named below, was one of them.¬â
ii)¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ROGER .¬â Flodoard names "Rotgarii filii Erluini" when recording that Arnoul Count of Flanders besieged the castle of Montreuil in 943[562].¬â Comte de Montreuil 948/57.¬â m ---.¬â The name of Roger's wife is not known.¬â Roger & his wife had one child:
(a)¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â HUGUES (-961, bur Saint-Râ©my).¬â Flodoard names "Huggo filius Totgarii quondam comitis, adolescens" when recording his death in 961 and burial place[563].¬â
b)¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ERARD .¬â Flodoard names "Ebrardum fratrem Erluini" when recording that his castle of Ham was captured in 932 by "Heribertus comes"[564].¬â Seigneur du châ¢teau de Ham (Picardie).¬â
c)¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â LAMBERT (-killed in battle after 945).¬â Guillaume de Jumiâ®ges records that ·ÄúLambertus frater eius·Äù was killed trying to avenge the death of ·ÄúHerluini·Äù[565].¬â
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1.¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â HUGUES, son of --- (-4 Jul [1000]).¬â Kerrebrouck[566] says there is no proof that Hugues was the son of Hilduin Comte de Montreuil (see above), and that he could have been a member of the family of Enguerrand, one of whom was abbâ© de Saint-Riquier at the beginning of the 11th century.¬â The Chronique de Saint Riquier records that Hugues "Capet" King of France granted the châ¢teau d'Abbeville "ââ un chevalier nommâ© Hugues" and also confiscated "Forest-Moutier" from the abbey of Saint-Riquier and granted it to him, recording in a later passage that Hugues bore the title "avouâ©" not comte[567].¬â These territories became the foundation of the county of Ponthieu.¬â m (before 987) GISELE de France, daughter of HUGUES Duc des Francs [later HUGUES "Capet" King of France] & his wife Adelais [d'Aquitaine] ([[969][568]-).¬â The Chronique de Saint Riquier records that Hugues "Capet" King of France granted the châ¢teau d'Abbeville "ââ un chevalier nommâ© Hugues" who had married the king's daughter "Gisâ®le"[569].¬â Hugues & his wife had two children:
a)¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ENGUERRAND (-1045, bur Saint-Riquier).¬â The Chronique de Saint Riquier names "Angelran" as son of Hugues, commenting that he contented himself with the title avouâ© until his marriage when he adopted the title comte[570].¬â Avouâ© de Saint-Riquier.¬â He defeated Gilbert Comte de Brionne who had invaded Le Vimeu[571].¬â The Chronique de Saint Riquier records the death in 1045 of "seigneur Angelran" and his burial at Saint-Riquier[572].¬â [m firstly ---.¬â If the date attributed to Enguerrand's marriage to Aleida is correct as shown below, it is chronologically implausible for her to have been the mother of Enguerrand's sons.¬â This is because Enguerrand's grandson, Enguerrand, must have married in [1045/50] (see below).¬â This earlier marriage is therefore almost inevitably correct, although no direct reference which confirms this has yet been found in primary sources.]¬â m [secondly] ([after 1033]) as her second husband, ALEIDA, widow of BAUDOUIN Comte de Boulogne, daughter of [ARNULF Count of Holland & his wife Liutgard de Luxembourg].¬â The Chronique de Saint Riquier records that "Angelran" killed "le comte de Boulogne" in battle and married his widow "Adelvie·Ä¶qui â©tait de l'origine la plus illustre", after which he adopted the title comte[573].¬â She is named as the possible daughter of Arnulf, and her two marriages shown, in Europâ§ische Stammtafeln[574] but the primary source on which this is based has not been identified.¬â Enguerrand & his [first] wife had three children:¬â
i)¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â HUGUES (-killed 20 Nov 1052, bur Saint-Riquier).¬â The Chronique de Saint Riquier records that "son fils Hugues" succeeded after the death of "Angelran"[575].¬â
-¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â see below.¬â
ii)¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â GUY (-1074).¬â The Chronicon Hariulfi records that ·ÄúGuidonem...comitis germanum Hugonis, comitis Widonis patruum·Äù succeeded ·ÄúFulconis·Äù as bishop of Amiens[576].¬â Archdeacon of Notre-Dame.¬â Bishop of Amiens 1058.¬â He was the probable author of the poem Carmen, written in [1067], which commemorates the campaign of Guillaume II Duke of Normandy to conquer England[577].¬â
iii)¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â FOULQUES (-after 1059).¬â The Chronique de Saint Riquier records that "Foulques·Ä¶fils d'Angelran" usurped the abbacy of Saint-Riquier[578].¬â Abbâ© de Saint-Riquier 1042.¬â Abbâ© de Forestmoutier 1045.¬â
b)¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â GUY .¬â The Chronique de Saint Riquier records that "Gui·Ä¶frâ®re de Seigneur Angelran" was named abbâ© of Saint-Riquier[579].¬â
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HUGUES [de Ponthieu], son of ENGUERRAND Comte [de Ponthieu] & his first wife --- (-killed 20 Nov 1052, bur Saint-Riquier).¬â The Chronique de Saint Riquier records that "son fils Hugues" succeeded after the death of "Angelran"[580].¬â He fought at the Battle of Hastings in 1066 according to the poem Carmen, attributed to his uncle Guy Bishop of Amiens, although the date is inconsistent with his date of death shown here.¬â Comte de Montreuil.¬â
m BERTHE d'Aumâ¢le, daughter of GUERINFRID Seigneur d'Aumâ¢le & his wife ---.¬â The foundation charter of Saint-Martin d·ÄôAuchy narrates the church·Äôs foundation by ·ÄúGuerinfrido qui condidit castellum·Ä¶Albamarla·Äù and names ·ÄúEngueranni consulis qui filius fuit Berte supradicti Guerinfridi filie et Adelidis comitisse uxoris sue sororis·Ä¶Willelmi Regis Anglorum·Äù[581].¬â
Hugues & his wife had five children:¬â
1.¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ENGUERRAND (-killed in battle Châ¢teau d'Arques 25 Oct [1053]).¬â The Chronique de Saint Riquier records that "Hugues" had four sons of whom the eldest "Angelran" confirmed a donation of his father to Saint-Riquier on his deathbed by charter dated "XII Kal Dec"[582].¬â The foundation charter of Saint-Martin d·ÄôAuchy names ·ÄúEngueranni consulis qui filius fuit Berte supradicti Guerinfridi filie et Adelidis comitisse uxoris sue sororis·Ä¶Willelmi Regis Anglorum·Äù[583].¬â Comte de Montreuil.¬â Orderic Vitalis records that ·Äútempore Rodberti ducis Gislebertus comes Brionniâ¶·Äù invaded ·Äúin pagum Vimmacensem·Äù [Vimeu] but was repulsed by ·ÄúIngelrannus Pontivi comes·Äù[584].¬â Le Prâ©vost dates this event to ·Äúantâ©rieure ââ 1034, â©poque prâ©sumâ©e de la fondation du Bec·Äù[585].¬â Seigneur d'Aumâ¢le.¬â Comte d·ÄôAbbeville: Guillaume of Jumiâ®ges records that ·ÄúWillelmum Archacensem·Äù rebelled against Guillaume II Duke of Normandy, helped by Henri I King of France, and that ·ÄúIngelrannus Abbatisvillâ¶ comes...ac Hugo cognomento Bardulfus·Äù were killed by the duke·Äôs forces during the attack on his castle of Arques[586].¬â m as her first husband, ADELAIS de Normandie, illegitimate daughter of ROBERT II Duke of Normandy & his mistress --- (-[1081/86]).¬â Robert de Torigny names "Aeliz" as the daughter of Duke Robert II "de alia concubina" from Herleve[587].¬â The foundation charter of Saint-Martin d·ÄôAuchy names ·ÄúEngueranni consulis qui filius fuit Berte supradicti Guerinfridi filie et Adelidis comitisse uxoris sue sororis·Ä¶Willelmi Regis Anglorum·Äù[588].¬â She retained the title Comtesse d'Aumâ¢le after her first marriage.¬â She married secondly ([1053/54]) Lambert de Boulogne Comte de Lens, and thirdly ([1060]) Eudes Comte de Troyes [Blois-Champagne], who succeeded as Comte d'Aumâ¢le in [1070].¬â Her second marriage is deduced from the same charter of Saint-Martin d·ÄôAuchy which also names ·ÄúJudita comitissa domine supradicte filia·Äù[589].¬â Orderic Vitalis records that King William I granted "comitatum Hildernessâ¶" to "Odoni...Campaniensi nepoti Theobaldi comitis" who had married "sororem...regis filiam...Rodberti ducis"[590].¬â Enguerrand & his wife had three children:¬â
a)¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â GUY [I] de Montreuil (-13 Nov [1100], bur Abbâ©ville, Saint-Pierre).¬â A charter dated 1100 included in the cartulary of Saint-Josse records a grant of fishing rights by "Guido comes Monsteroli et Pontivensium" which names "Hugo noster avus" and "patre meo Ingerrano"[591].¬â This is inconsistent with the Chronique de Saint Riquier which records that "comte Gui fils du comte Hugues" succeeded after "Angelran son frâ®re" was killed by the Normans and possessed the county of Ponthieu and the avouerie of Saint-Riquier[592].¬â It is assumed that the charter provides the more reliable record of Guy's parentage.¬â Comte de Montreuil.¬â Comte de Ponthieu.¬â
-¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â COMTES de PONTHIEU.¬â
b)¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ADELAIDE de Montreuil .¬â The foundation charter of Saint-Martin d·ÄôAuchy narrates the church·Äôs foundation by ·ÄúGuerinfrido qui condidit castellum·Ä¶Albamarla·Äù and names ·ÄúEngueranni consulis qui filius fuit Berte supradicti Guerinfridi filie et Adelidis comitisse uxoris sue sororis·Ä¶Willelmi Regis Anglorum·Äù and ·ÄúAddelidis comitissa supradicti Engueranni et supradicte Adelidis filia·Ä¶Judita comitissa domine supradicte filia·Äù[593].¬â 1098.¬â
c)¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â HELISSENDE de Montreuil .¬â The primary source which confirms her parentage has not been identified.¬â 1096.¬â "Comes Hugo de Sancto Paulo" donated property to the abbey of Molesme with the consent of "uxoris sue Helisendis filiorumque suorum Ingelranni et Hugonis" by charter dated 17 Jun 1095[594].¬â m (before 1091) HUGUES [II] Comte de Saint-Pol, son of --- (-before [1118/19]).¬â
2.¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ROBERT .¬â The Chronique de Saint Riquier records that "Hugues" had four sons of whom the eldest was "Angelran" but does not name the three others[595].¬â same person as·Ä¶?¬â ROBERT d·ÄôAumâ¢le (-after 1085).¬â Domesday Book records ·ÄúRobert d·ÄôAumale·Äù holding numerous properties in Devonshire[596].¬â
3.¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â son .¬â The Chronique de Saint Riquier records that "Hugues" had four sons of whom the eldest was "Angelran" but does not name the three others[597].¬â
4.¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â son .¬â The Chronique de Saint Riquier records that "Hugues" had four sons of whom the eldest was "Angelran" but does not name the three others[598].¬â same person as·Ä¶?¬â GALERAN (-killed in battle Mortemer 1054).¬â
5.¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â daughter .¬â Guillaume of Jumiâ®ges records that ·ÄúWillelmum Archacensem·Äù went into exile ·Äúcum uxore sua sorore...Widonis comitis Pontivi·Äù after his rebellion was crushed by Duke Guillaume II and found refuge with ·ÄúEustachium Boloniâ¶ comitem·Äù with whom he remained in exile until he died[599].¬â m GUILLAUME de Normandie Comte d'Arques, son of RICHARD II "le Bon/l'Irascible" Duke of Normandy & his second wife Papia [Poppa] --- (-1054).¬â
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Ancestors (and descendant) of Helgaud I de Montreuil

Angilbert "the Saint" de Ponthieu
± 776-± 813

Berta of FRANCE (Carolingian)
± 779-826

Nithard "the Chronicler" de Montreuil de Ponthieu
± 790-844

Helgaud I de Montreuil
± 805-864

Berthe of Boulogne (de Ponthieu)
± 810-± 859



					Herbouin I Herlouin Herluin de Ponthieu 830-± 878

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