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Personal data Lietgardis de Troyes 

• She was born between 818 and 878.
• She died ?.
• This information was last updated on June 23, 2021.

Household of Lietgardis de Troyes

She is married to Héribert I of VERMANDOIS.

They got married

Child(ren):

1. H√©ribert II of VERMANDOIS  ± 880-943 
2. B√©atrice de Vermandois  ± 880-± 931 
3. Cun√©gonde (aka Hildebrande) de Vermandois  ± 890-± 943 

Notes about Lietgardis de Troyes

=========Paternal==========
Lietgardis de Troyes is your 28th great grandmother.
You
¬â€  ·Üí Henry Marvin Welborn
your father ·Üí Emma Corine Welborn (Bombard)
his mother ·Üí Charles Everett Bombard
her father ·Üí Thomas Joseph {Charles Edward} Bombard
his father ·Üí Mathilde Domithilde
his mother ᆒ Jean Charles Claude Chainé (Chenay)
her father ᆒ Marie-Rose Rosalie Chainé (Belanger)
his mother ᆒ Augustin Bélanger
her father ᆒ Geneviève Thibault
his mother ·Üí Elisabeth-Agnes Thibault (Lefebvre)
her mother ᆒ Guillaume Lelièvre
her father ᆒ Sieur de la Provostière Pierre LeLievre (LELIÈVRE), sieur de la Provostière
his father ᆒ Renée d'Arclais
his mother ·Üí Dame Peronne De Banville
her mother ᆒ Michèle de Banville (du Parc)
her mother ·Üí Jean du Parc, baron de Cresnays
her father ᆒ Martin du Parc, Baron de Cresnays, Bernières, Verdun
his father ᆒ Robert du Parc, Seigneur d'Availlis, la Rochelle, Romilly, Bernières ,
his father ·Üí Guillaume du Parc, Seigneur d'Availlis
his father ·Üí Alain III Seigneur de la Motte-du-Parc
his father ᆒ Agnès de Coëtmen
his mother ᆒ Geslin de Penthievre de Coëtmen
her father ᆒ Henri I de Bretagne, comte de Tréguier
his father ·Üí Hawise (Hedwig) de Blois, comtesse de Guingamp
his mother ·Üí Thibaut, Count of Blois & Champagne
her father ·Üí Odo II, count of Blois, Champagne and Chartres
his father ·Üí Odo I, count of Blois
his father ·Üí Luitgarde of Vermandois
his mother ᆒ Héribert II, count of Vermandois
her father ·Üí Lietgardis de Troyes
his mother

=========Maternal==========
Lietgardis de Troyes is your 31st great grandmother.
You
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your mother ·Üí Alice Elmyra Smith
her mother ·Üí Nellie Mary Henley
her mother ·Üí John Merrit Wooldridge
her father ·Üí Merritt Wooldridge
his father ·Üí Chesley Wooldridge
his father ·Üí Edward Wooldridge, Jr.
his father ·Üí Mary Wooldridge
his mother ·Üí Mary Martha Flournoy
her mother ·Üí Jane Gower
her mother ·Üí Marian Mary Hatcher
her mother ·Üí Capt. Christopher Newport, Admiral of Virginia
her father ·Üí Christopher Newport, Sr.
his father ·Üí Christopher Richard Newporte
his father ·Üí Mary Allington
his mother ·Üí Mary Ellen Cheney
her mother ·Üí Elizabeth Cokayne
her mother ·Üí Ida Cokayne, Baroness
her mother ·Üí Reynold de Grey, 2nd Baron Grey de Ruthin
her father ·Üí Elizabeth Hastings, Baroness Grey of Ruthin
his mother ·Üí Isabel de Valence
her mother ·Üí William de Valence, 1st Earl of Pembroke
her father ·Üí Isabella of Angoulême
his mother ·Üí Alice de Courtenay, comtesse d'Angoulême
her mother ·Üí Pierre de France, I
her father ·Üí Louis VI the Fat, king of France
his father ·Üí Philip I, king of France
his father ·Üí Henry I, king of France
his father ·Üí Robert Ii the Pious, king of The Franks
his father ·Üí Hugues Capet, roi des Francs
his father ·Üí Hugues "the Great", duke of the Franks
his father ᆒ Béatrice de Vermandois
his mother ·Üí Lietgardis de Troyes
her mother

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Lietgardis
Gender:
Female
Birth:
estimated between 818 and 878
Immediate Family:
Daughter of Unknown Father of Lietgardis de Troyes and Unknown Mother of Lietgardis de Troyes
Wife of Héribert I, count of Vermandois
Mother of Cunégonde de Vermandois; Adèle de Vermandois; Béatrice de Vermandois and Héribert II, count of Vermandois

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Lietgardis de Troyes. There are several hypotheses about the wife of Héribert de Vermandois. See Christian Settipani, La prehistoire des Capetiens 481-987: Premiere Partie, p. 222 n. 218, and Tableau 8. Settipani tentatively suggests Heribert's wife was Lietgardis of Troyes. K. F. Werner in Die Nachkommen Karls des Grossen at V.3 in his Tafel does not identify anyone as Heribert's wife (nor in his discussion of Heribert in his "Untersuchungen zur Fruehzeit des franzoesischen Fuerstentums (9.-10. Jahrhundert): V." in Welt als Geschichte 20 (1960) pp. 93-100). Cf. Medlands.

The wife of Héribert de Vermandois is unknown. She is listed as Bertha, daughter of Guerri de Morvois in a 12th-century chronicle from Waulsort abbey, that drew on epic literature to aggrandize its founder's lineage (Peter Stewart in soc.genealogy.medieval, June 28, 2004).
She is listed as Beatrice of Morvois, the daughter of Guerri I, count of Morvois, and Eve of Rousillon in the unreliable Roderick W. Stuart, Royalty for Commoners (2d ed., 1992), page 194, citing *The Journal of the Society of Genealogists* (London, 1911- ) and G. Andrews Moriarty as authorities.
There are several hypotheses about the wife of Héribert de Vermandois. See Christian Settipani, La prehistoire des Capetiens 481-987: Premiere Partie, p.222 n.218, and Tableau 8. Settipani tentatively suggests Heribert's wife was Lietgardis of Troyes. K. F. Werner in Die Nachkommen Karls des Grossen at V.3 in his Tafel does not identify anyone as Heribert's wife (nor in his discussion of Heribert in his "Untersuchungen zur Fruehzeit des franzoesischen Fuerstentums (9.-10. Jahrhundert): V." in Welt als Geschichte 20 (1960) pp.93-100). Cf. Medlands.
Bertha's parents have been variously suggested as:
Rutpert IV of Womgau and Adelaide de Tours, OR
Guerri I de Morvois and Eve d'Auxerre, OR
Guerri I de Morvois and an unknown woman, OR
Conrad d'Auxerre and Adélais de Tours.
Name given by the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#HeribertIdied900907
HERIBERT [I], son of PEPIN [Carolingian] Seigneur de Péronne et de St Quentin, Comte near Paris ([848/850]-murdered [900/6 Nov 907]) m [LIETGARDIS], daughter of --- (-27 May ----).
The name of the wife of Comte Héribert is not known. However, a "Comtesse Liedgardis", different from the daughter of Comte Héribert [II], is named who could have been his wife[1275]. If this is correct, the necrology of Reims which records the death "VI Kal Jun" of "Letgardis comitissa"[1276], may refer to the same person[1277].
According to the Histoire de Guise, Albert Comte de Vermandois constructed the abbey of Saint-Michel at Rochefort in 945 "d'accord avec la comtesse Hérésinde sa femme", while in 947 Hérésinde founded the nearby Benedictine convent of Bucilly[1278]. The source assumes that this refers to Albert Comte de Vermandois, but his supposed marriage to Hérésinde is not mentioned by Settipani[1279].
According to the introduction to the Cartulaire de l'abbaye de Bucilly, Bucilly was founded by "Gerberge, femme d'Albert I Comte de Vermandois" although it notes that "certains auteurs ont voulu faire remonter [sa foundation] à la lib√©ralit√© de Hersinde femme d'Herbert Comte de Vermandois morte en 901"[1280].
No other reference has been found to Hérésinde being the wife of Comte Héribert ]I].
Comte Héribert [I] & his wife had four children:
1. HERIBERT [II] ([880]-23 Feb 943, bur Saint Quentin). None of the sources so far consulted states explicitly that Heribert [II] and his sister Beatrix were the children of Heribert [I] but this looks probable. He succeeded his father in [900/907] as Comte de Meaux, de Soissons et de Vermandois.
2. BEATRIX de Vermandois ([880/83]-after 26 Mar 931). None of the sources so far consulted state explicitly that Heribert [II] and his sister Beatrix were the children of Heribert [I] but this looks probable. Her birth date range is estimated from her eldest daughter giving birth to her own first child in [915]. m ([897]) as his second wife, ROBERT Marquis en Neustrie, son of ROBERT ·Äúle Fort·Äù Marquis en Neustrie & his wife --- ([860]-killed in battle near Soissons 15 Jun 923). Comte de Paris 898. He was elected 22 Jun 922 as ROBERT I King of France.
3. [daughter [ADELA]. Jackman suggests[1285] that the wife of Graf Gebhard [Konradiner] was the daughter of Héribert [I] Comte de Vermandois, although this appears supported only by onomastic indications. The name of Graf Gebhard's wife is not given explicitly in the sources. However, an "Adela" is named in a name-list in the Reichenau memorial book dated [926/32] which appears to include members of the Konradiner family, Jackman suggesting that she is well placed in the list to be Graf Gebhard's wife[1286], although this is not the only possible interpretation of the text. m GEBHARD Graf im Ufgau, son of EBERHARD Graf in der Ortenau [Konradiner] & his wife Wiltrud --- (-after 15 Jan 947).]
4. [daughter [CUNIGUNDIS] ([890/900]-after 943). The Vermandois origin of Graf Udo's wife is suggested by the fact that Flodoard refers to the wife of "Uddone [frater Hermanno]" as amita of "Hugo [de Vermandois Archbishop of Reims]"[1287]. The name of Graf Udo's wife is not given explicitly in the sources. However, a "Cunegundis" is named in a name-list in the Reichenau memorial book dated [926/32] which appears to include members of the Konradiner family, Jackman suggesting that she is well placed in the list to be Graf Gebhard's wife[1288], although this is not the only possible interpretation of the text. Her birth date range is estimated from her estimated marriage date. m ([915]) UDO Graf in der Wetterau, son of GEBHARD Graf in der Wetterau [Konradiner] & his wife Hidda --- (-12 Dec 949).]
References:
[1270] Vita Hludowici Imperatoris, MGH SS II, p. 633. [1271] Settipani, C. and Kerrebrouck, P. van (1993) La pr√©histoire des Cap√©tiens 481-987, 1√®re partie, M√©rovingiens, Carolingiens et Robertiens (Villeneuve d'Ascq), p. 220. [1272] Annales Vedastini 896, MGH SS II, p. 530. . [1273] Settipani (1993), p. 407. [1274] Nicholas, D. (1992) Medieval Flanders (Longman), p. 19. [1275] Depoin, J. 'Etudes pr√©paratoires à l'histoire des familles palatines. III. Thibaud le Tricheur fut-il b√¢tard et mourut-il presque centenaire?', Revue des etudes historiques (1908), p. 595 and footnote 105, cited in Settipani (1993), p. 408. [1276] 'Obits m√©morables tir√©s de n√©crologes luxembourgeois, r√©mois et messins', Revue Mabillon VI (1910-1911), p. 274. [1277] Settipani (1993), p. 227 footnote 265. [1278] L¬¥abb√© P√©cheur (1851) Histoire de la ville de Guise (Vervins), p. 47, citing "Charte de Raoul √©vêque de Laon, Lelong, N. Hist. du dioc√®se de Laon, p. 598". [1279] Settipani (1993), p. 236. [1280] Barth√©lemy, E. de (ed.) (1881) Cartulaire de l'abbaye de Bucilly, Introduction. [1281] Hugonis Floriacensis, Historia Francorum Senonensis, MGH SS IX, p. 366. [1282] WJ II.21, p. 58. [1283] Settipani (1993), p. 407. [1284] Werner, K. F. (1967) 'Die Nachkommen Karls des Gro√üen bis um Jahr 1000 (1.-8. Generation)' Karl der Gro√üe, IV, p. 458, cited in Settipani (1993), p. 407. [1285] Jackman, D. C. (1997) Criticism and Critique, sidelights on the Konradiner (Oxford Unit for Prosopographical Research) pp. 36 and 38. [1286] Jackman (1997), p. 38. [1287] Flodoard 946, MGH SS III, p. 393. [1288] Jackman (1997), p. 38.

More convincing proof is needed to show that she is the granddaughter of Girard II de Roussilon, as stated on Dutch Wikipedia: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girard_II_van_Roussillon
"Girard was the son of Leuthard I de Paris and his wife Grimhilde. Girard's wife Bertha was the daughter of Hugh de Tours and Ava de Morvois. Girard and Bertha had a daughter Eva who married Wilderich I de Morvois (819-865). They had a granddaughter Bertha (862-97) that would have been married to Herbert I de Vermandois."

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