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Bronnen 1, 2- Alternatieve namen: Gerlon Theobold, Gerlon Theobald, Count De Tours Theobald
- Roepnaam is Thibault.
- Hij is geboren rond 890 in Blois, Loir-et-Cher, Orleanais/CentreFrance.
- Hij werd gedoopt in Theobald I 'The Cheat' of CHARTRES (Count of Chartes).
- Alternatief: Hij werd gedoopt in Theobald I 'The Cheat' of CHARTRES (Count of Chartes).
- Alternatief: Hij werd gedoopt in Theobald I 'The Cheat' of CHARTRES (Count of Chartes).
- Gedoopt (op 8-jarige leeftijd of later) door het priesterschapsgezag van de LDS-kerk.
- Beroep: Vicomte de Blois ( 906), Vicomte de Tours ( 908), Comte de Blois & Tours (~940), Comte de Chartres, Vicomte de Tours, perhaps Count of Bourges, comte d Blois, Vicount of Troyes.
- Hij is overleden rond 943 in Troyes, Aube, ChampagneFrance.
- Hij is begraven in het jaar 943Tours Saint-Martin
France. - Een kind van Eudes de Chartres en N.N. de Chartres
- Deze gegevens zijn voor het laatst bijgewerkt op 6 november 2020.
Gezin van Thibaut I "Thibault" de Troyes comte de Blois
Hij is getrouwd met Richilde.
Zij zijn getrouwd in het jaar 920Normandy
France.
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Notities over Thibaut I "Thibault" de Troyes comte de Blois
Name Prefix:Viscount Name Suffix: I Of Troyes And Blois
Name Prefix:Viscount Name Suffix: I Of Troyes And Blois
Name Prefix:Count Name Suffix: of Chartres
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[Nix.FTW]
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Count of Chartres and Bourges
Event: AKA Thibaud I, Count of Chartres and Bourges
Count of Chartres and Bourges
Event: AKA Thibaud I, Count of Chartres and Bourges
Count of Chartres and Bourges
Event: AKA Thibaud I, Count of Chartres and Bourges
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[Brøderbund WFT Vol. 2, Ed. 1, Tree #1241, Date of Import: May 8, 1997]
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!COUNT OF CHARTRES
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!COUNT OF CHARTRES
[3307] WSHNGT.ASC file (Geo Washington Ahnentafel) # 139491460 = 34902192
Rootsweb Feldman
URL: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:3044567&id=I18507
# ID: I18507
# Name: Gerlon DE CHARTRES 1 2 3 4 5
# Sex: M
# Title: Gello
# Birth: ABT 880 1 2 3 4 5
# Death: AFT 942 1 2 3 4 5
# Change Date: 15 JAN 2004 5
# Change Date: 4 OCT 2001 2 3 4 5
# Note:
[Joanne's Tree.1 GED.GED]
2 SOUR S332582
3 DATA
4 TEXT Date of Import: 14 Jan 2004
[daveanthes.FTW]
OCCU Count de Tours ...
SOUR www.public.asu.edu/bgertz/family
SOUR COMYN4.TAF (Compuserve) says AFT 942;
Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W. Stuart, p. 97 says 904;p. 240 says AFT 942;
ANJOU.TXT (Compuserve) says post 950?
SOUR COMYN4.TAF (Compuserve); www.rootsweb.com/gumby
Thibaut - COMYN4.GED (Compuserve); Gerlon (Theobald), Count of Chartres -
ANJOU.TXT (Compuserve); Thibaud, Vicount of Troyes - Royalty for Commoners,
Roderick W. Stuart, p. 97; Theobald I(Gerlon), Count of Chartres and Bourges -
p. 211
Father: Eudes DE CHARTRES b: BEF 857
Mother: DE CHARTRES
Marriage 1 Richilde DE BOURGES b: 892
* Married: 909 1 2 3 4 5
Children
1. Has Children Gerlotte Of BLOIS b: ABT 890 in Tillieres, Normandy, France
2. Has Children Theobald I of BLOIS b: ABT 910 in Blois, France
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Ancestral Roots has a death date of 904 for Theobald. However the Encyclopaedia Britannica states that Theobald of Blois, who is his son, was b. circa 908; and Theobald defended Chartres against Rollo later Duke of Normandy in 911; so Ancestral Roots is either wrong or has a misprint. If a misprint, then either 914 or 940 is the more probable death date. His son became active in 940, so maybe that was when he died.
From: Gayle Wilson ((XXXXX@XXXX.XXX)) Subject: Re: Thibault I Count of Blois to: Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval Date: 1997/03/11
Permit me to explain the story, as I understand it, primarily from J de Petigny and Professor Launay's Historie Archeologique Du Vendome, I, pages 121-122, Academie des Inscriptions et Belle Lettres Chartes et Diplomas: Receuil Des Actes De Charles III, page xx, and Pere Anselme's (Pierre Guibors) Histoire Genealogicue et Chronilogique des Rois de France, II, pages 33-34.
Theobald, Viscount of Troyes, married Richelde, the daughter of Hugh Aquitaine, Count of Bourges and his wife, Rothaut (the daughter of Charles II 'l'Chauve' ['The Bald'] King of France and Ricardis Buwinis Amiens, although some list her mother as Ermentrude Orleans, but that is topic for another day...) circa 886. As a result of this marriage, Theobald (Thiabald, Thiabault, etc) became guardian of Richelda's younger brother, Hugh, and was given the territories of Blois and Chartres in appreciation of this service. Shortly thereafter, a marauding band of Norman pirates, who had recently taken up residence on the banks of the Seine, attacked Chartres.
These brigands, led by a certain 'Rollo', were more than Theobald could handle on his own. Theobald sent messangers to his wife's cousin, King Charles III 'The Simple', Conrad, Duke of Bourgogne and Ebles, Count of Poiters, appealing for assistance. The castle had been under seige for some time, when Joscelin, Bishop of Chartres, perched within the castle ramparts, saw clouds of dust rising in several directions on the horizon. Help was on its way!
The counter-attack was led by King Charles; the Norsemen were forced to lift the seige. King Charles and the renegade Rollo, or Rolf, had a little chit-chat and a diploma thereafter referred to as the Treaty of Saint Clair-sur-Epte was eventually drawn up, including an agreement by Rollo to revert to Christianity and be a good boy with a tight leash held on his followers. For these concessions he was given the area that would later be called Normandy to govern, and the hand of the fair Princess, Giselle, daughter of King Charles.
So, you can see that there is a little glimmer of credence to the information you were given. Giselle, the wife of Rollo, was cousin to Richelde, the wife of *a* Theobald of Blois. This person is the father of the Theobald in your query, Theobald I 'le Tricheur' (The Cheater) Count of Blois, who was indeed husband of Luitgarde Vermandois and father of Eudes (Actes de Comtes De Namur 946-1196 (Rousseau) XXXVII; House Tirel 80; Vanderkindere79-86; Pere Anselme I 49; Derniers Carlovingniens 141; Histoire de Cambray et Cambresis III 970; Histoire Archeologique Du Vendomois 147...etc).
Alan B. Wilson, soc. gene.med, Nov 12 '96,uclink2.berkeley.edu>] :
#Générale##Générale#
#Générale##Générale#
#Générale##Générale#Incertain : certaines sources lui donnent pour pèreGarnegaud de BLOIS.Nous suivons ici le tableaugénéalogique qui figure au château de Blois.
Profession : Vicomte de Tours.
{geni:about_me} http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thibaud_l%27Ancien
http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CENTRAL%20FRANCE.htm#ThibautIdied975
Thibaud dit l'Ancien (né en 890 - mort en 943), vicomte de Blois en 906, vicomte de Tours en 908, puis comte de Tours et comte de Blois vers 940.
Il serait de haute extraction franco-bourguignonne et arrivé sur les bords de la Loire inférieure au début du Xe siècle. Il est le fondateur de la dynastie des Thibaldiens.
Il épousa Richilde de Bourges, connue aussi sous le nom de Richilde du Maine (v.890-† ap.942), fille de Hugues (v.862-892), comte de Bourges et de Rothilde (v.871-v.928), fille de Charles le Chauve et de Richilde d'Ardennes. Veuve d'Hugues de Bourges, Rothilde épousa en secondes noces Roger, comte du Maine.
Richilde de Bourges eut pour sœur Rohaut, la première épouse d'Hugues le Grand.
Avec Richilde, Thibaud eut trois enfants :
* Thibaud le Tricheur qui lui succéda dans ses « honneurs »
* Richard (†969), archevêque de Bourges
* une fille peut-être prénommée Adélaïde, mariée en premières noces au duc Alain Barbetote de Bretagne, en secondes noces au comte Foulque II le Bon d'Anjou, mort en 958.
Bibliographie
* Pierre Riché, Les Carolingiens, une famille qui fit l'Europe, Hachette, coll. « Pluriel », Paris, 1983 (réimpr. 1997), 490 p. (ISBN 2-01-278851-3)
* Jean-Charles Volkmann, Bien Connaître les généalogies des rois de France (ISBN 2-87747-208-6 )
* Michel Mourre, Le petit Mourre. Dictionnaire d'Histoire universelle (ISBN 978-2-04-732194-2)
* Jean Gouget - Thierry Le Hête, Les comtes de Blois et de Champagne et leur descendance agnatique
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THIBAUT [Tetbald] [I] "l'Ancien", son of --- (-[944], bur Tours Saint-Martin). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records that "Hastingo" sold "civitate Carnoto" to "Turonensi comiti Theobaldo" in 904[13]. Guillaume de Jumièges describes how "le comte Thibaut" bought the town of Chartres from Hasting the Viking[14]. Vicomte de Tours. "Domni Fulconis Andecavorum comitis, Tedbaldi Turonorum vicecomitis" subscribed the charter dated 30 Oct 909 under which the testamentary executors of "domni Gauzuini" donated property to Saint-Martin de Tours[15]. "…Tetbaldi vicecomitis…" subscribed the charter of "Hugo rector abbatiæ sancti Martini" relating to Tours Saint-Martin dated 931[16]. The identity of the husband of Richilde, and father of Thibaut [II] and Richard, is brought together by the charter dated to [944] under which "le comte Thibault père de Thibault" relinquished rights relating to "les terres de Vancé, de Joué, de Martigny et de Berthenay" to Tours Saint-Martin and paid for his future burial in the abbey[17]. m firstly ---. The primary source which confirms this first marriage has not yet been identified. It is likely that the only indication is provided by the charter, dated to [980], under which “Ledgardis comitissa necnon Hugo episcopus et filius meus et item filius meus Odo comes” donated property to Saint-Martin de Tours, for the souls of “Theobaldi comitis quondam senioris mei…Richildis quondam sanctimonialis, eiusque filii Richardi episcopi” (referring to “dicti comitis et fratris sui Theobaldi”, in relation to Bishop Richard)[18]. This charter confirms that Richildis was the mother of Richard and that Richard was the brother of Thibaut [II]. However, the absence of a phrase in the text such as “matris sui” linking “Richildis” to “Theobaldi comitis” suggests that she was not the mother of Richard´s brother Thibaut, and that therefore the brothers were born from different marriages of the same father. m secondly RICHILDIS, daughter of ---. Richildis is named as second wife of Thibaut in Europäische Stammtafeln[19] but the primary source on which this is based has not yet been identified. The charter, dated to [980], under which “Ledgardis comitissa necnon Hugo episcopus et filius meus et item filius meus Odo comes” donated property to Saint-Martin de Tours, for the souls of “Theobaldi comitis quondam senioris mei…Richildis quondam sanctimonialis, eiusque filii Richardi episcopi” (referring to “dicti comitis et fratris sui Theobaldi”, in relation to Bishop Richard)[20] confirms that Richildis was the mother of Richard and that Richard was the brother of Thibaut. However, it provides no indication of the name of their father and therefore of Richildis´s husband. Comte Thibaut & his first wife had [one possible child]:
a) THIBAUT [II] ([910]-16 Jan [975/77]). "Le comte Thibault père de Thibault" relinquished rights relating to "les terres de Vancé, de Joué, de Martigny et de Berthenay" to Tours Saint-Martin and paid for his future burial in the abbey by charter dated to [944][21]. He succeeded [his father] in [944] as THIBAUT I "le Tricheur" Comte de Blois, Vicomte de Tours.
- see below.
Comte Thibaut & his second wife had two children:
b) RICHARD (-969). “Ledgardis comitissa necnon Hugo episcopus et filius meus et item filius meus Odo comes” donated property to Saint-Martin de Tours, for the souls of “Theobaldi comitis quondam senioris mei…Richildis quondam sanctimonialis, eiusque filii Richardi episcopi” (referring to “dicti comitis et fratris sui Theobaldi”, in relation to Bishop Richard), by charter dated to [980][22]. This confirms that Richildis was the mother of Richard and that Richard was the brother of Thibaut. However, the absence of a phrase in the text such as “matris sui” linking “Richildis” to “Theobaldi comitis” suggests that she was not the mother of Richard´s brother Thibaut, and that therefore the brothers were born from different marriages of the same father. Archbishop of Bourges 956/57.
c) daughter . The Chronicle of Nantes records the marriage of "Alanus dux" and "Theobaldum comitem Blesensem…sorore sua"[23]. Given the date of her marriage, and assuming that the estimated birth date of her brother Thibaut [II] is correct as shown above, it is probable that this daughter was born from her father's supposed second marriage. The Chronicle of Nantes records the marriage of "Theobaldus comes Blesensis…sororem suam relictam Alani Barbætortæ ducis" and "Fulconi comiti Andegavensi"[24]. m firstly (before [949/51]) [as his second wife,] ALAIN II Duke of Brittany, son of MATHEDOI [Matuedo] Comte de Poher & his wife --- de Bretagne (in Brittany [before 919]-952). m secondly (after 952) as his second wife, FOULQUES II Comte d'Anjou, son of FOULQUES I "le Roux" Comte d'Anjou & his wife Roscille de "Loches" ([920]-11 Nov 958).
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Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CENTRAL%20FRANCE.htm#ThibautIdied975):
THIBAUT [Tetbald] [I] "l'Ancien", son of --- (-[944], bur Tours Saint-Martin). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records that "Hastingo" sold "civitate Carnoto" to "Turonensi comiti Theobaldo" in 904[13]. Guillaume de Jumièges describes how "le comte Thibaut" bought the town of Chartres from Hasting the Viking[14]. Vicomte de Tours. "Domni Fulconis Andecavorum comitis, Tedbaldi Turonorum vicecomitis" subscribed the charter dated 30 Oct 909 under which the testamentary executors of "domni Gauzuini" donated property to Saint-Martin de Tours[15]. "…Tetbaldi vicecomitis…" subscribed the charter of "Hugo rector abbatiæ sancti Martini" relating to Tours Saint-Martin dated 931[16]. The identity of the husband of Richilde, and father of Thibaut [II] and Richard, is brought together by the charter dated to [944] under which "le comte Thibault père de Thibault" relinquished rights relating to "les terres de Vancé, de Joué, de Martigny et de Berthenay" to Tours Saint-Martin and paid for his future burial in the abbey[17]. m firstly ---. The primary source which confirms this first marriage has not yet been identified. It is likely that the only indication is provided by the charter, dated to [980], under which “Ledgardis comitissa necnon Hugo episcopus et filius meus et item filius meus Odo comes” donated property to Saint-Martin de Tours, for the souls of “Theobaldi comitis quondam senioris mei…Richildis quondam sanctimonialis, eiusque filii Richardi episcopi” (referring to “dicti comitis et fratris sui Theobaldi”, in relation to Bishop Richard)[18]. This charter confirms that Richildis was the mother of Richard and that Richard was the brother of Thibaut [II]. However, the absence of a phrase in the text such as “matris sui” linking “Richildis” to “Theobaldi comitis” suggests that she was not the mother of Richard´s brother Thibaut, and that therefore the brothers were born from different marriages of the same father. m secondly RICHILDIS, daughter of ---. Richildis is named as second wife of Thibaut in Europäische Stammtafeln[19] but the primary source on which this is based has not yet been identified. The charter, dated to [980], under which “Ledgardis comitissa necnon Hugo episcopus et filius meus et item filius meus Odo comes” donated property to Saint-Martin de Tours, for the souls of “Theobaldi comitis quondam senioris mei…Richildis quondam sanctimonialis, eiusque filii Richardi episcopi” (referring to “dicti comitis et fratris sui Theobaldi”, in relation to Bishop Richard)[20] confirms that Richildis was the mother of Richard and that Richard was the brother of Thibaut. However, it provides no indication of the name of their father and therefore of Richildis´s husband. Comte Thibaut & his first wife had [one possible child]:
a) THIBAUT [II] ([910]-16 Jan [975/77]). "Le comte Thibault père de Thibault" relinquished rights relating to "les terres de Vancé, de Joué, de Martigny et de Berthenay" to Tours Saint-Martin and paid for his future burial in the abbey by charter dated to [944][21]. He succeeded [his father] in [944] as THIBAUT I "le Tricheur" Comte de Blois, Vicomte de Tours.
- see below.
Comte Thibaut & his second wife had two children:
b) RICHARD (-969). “Ledgardis comitissa necnon Hugo episcopus et filius meus et item filius meus Odo comes” donated property to Saint-Martin de Tours, for the souls of “Theobaldi comitis quondam senioris mei…Richildis quondam sanctimonialis, eiusque filii Richardi episcopi” (referring to “dicti comitis et fratris sui Theobaldi”, in relation to Bishop Richard), by charter dated to [980][22]. This confirms that Richildis was the mother of Richard and that Richard was the brother of Thibaut. However, the absence of a phrase in the text such as “matris sui” linking “Richildis” to “Theobaldi comitis” suggests that she was not the mother of Richard´s brother Thibaut, and that therefore the brothers were born from different marriages of the same father. Archbishop of Bourges 956/57.
c) daughter . The Chronicle of Nantes records the marriage of "Alanus dux" and "Theobaldum comitem Blesensem…sorore sua"[23]. Given the date of her marriage, and assuming that the estimated birth date of her brother Thibaut [II] is correct as shown above, it is probable that this daughter was born from her father's supposed second marriage. The Chronicle of Nantes records the marriage of "Theobaldus comes Blesensis…sororem suam relictam Alani Barbætortæ ducis" and "Fulconi comiti Andegavensi"[24]. m firstly (before [949/51]) [as his second wife,] ALAIN II Duke of Brittany, son of MATHEDOI [Matuedo] Comte de Poher & his wife --- de Bretagne (in Brittany [before 919]-952). m secondly (after 952) as his second wife, FOULQUES II Comte d'Anjou, son of FOULQUES I "le Roux" Comte d'Anjou & his wife Roscille de "Loches" ([920]-11 Nov 958).
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Theobald - Vicomte of Troyes
B: abt 0885 Blois, Loir-Et-Cher, Orleanais/Centre, France
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Husband
Theobald De TOURS
Born: ABT 854 -
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Richende
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Theobald I, Count Of CHAMPAGNE
Born: ABT 913 - Of, Blois, , France
Died: 16 JAN 978 -
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Theobald de Blois1
b. circa 880, d. 904
Theobald de Blois was born circa 880. He married Richilde de Bourges, daughter of comte de Bourges Hugh de Bourges, before 900. Theobald de Blois died in 904.
Family
Richilde de Bourges b. before 892
Children
* Gerlotte de Blois+ b. c 9002,3
* N. N. de Blois+ b. c 903?4
* Thibaut I "le Tricheur", comte de Blois+ b. b 904, d. 16 Jan 975
Citations
1. [S204] Roderick W. Stuart, RfC, 340-36.
2. [S209] Somerset Herald J.R. Planché, Planché, J.R..
3. [S204] Roderick W. Stuart, RfC, 295-37.
4. [S1073] Bernard S. Bachrach, Bachrach, pg. 267.
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Theobald de Blois married Richilde de Bourges, daughter of comte de Bourges Hugh de Bourges, before 900.
See "My Lines"
( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/p315.htm#i7561 )
from Compiler: R. B. Stewart, Evans, GA
( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/index.htm )
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Theobald de Blois married Richilde de Bourges, daughter of comte de Bourges Hugh de Bourges, before 900.
See "My Lines"
( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/p315.htm#i7561 )
from Compiler: R. B. Stewart, Evans, GA
( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/index.htm )
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Thibaut of TOURS Viscount of Tours 1, 2 was born 885 in Tours, Indre-et-Loire, France. He died 942 in Tours, Indre-et-Loire, France. Thibaut married Richilde de MAINE on 911 in Tours, Indre-et-Loire, France.
Richilde de MAINE [Parents] 1, 2 was born 893 in , Maine, France. She married Thibaut of TOURS Viscount of Tours on 911 in Tours, Indre-et-Loire, France.
They had the following children:
M i Thibaut I "le Tricheur" of BLOIS Count of Blois was born 912 and died 16 Jan 978.
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Theobald de Tours - was born before 0854, lived in Blois, France.
Theobald married Richende de Bourges. Richende was born in 0858, lived in Blois, France. .
Children: (Quick Family Chart)
i. Count Theobald I "le Tricheur" de Blois was born about 0913, lived in Blois, France and died on 16 Jan 0978 .
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Vicomte de Blois et de Tours
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http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thibaud_l%27Ancien
http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CENTRAL%20FRANCE.htm#ThibautIdied975
Thibaud dit l'Ancien (né en 890 - mort en 943), vicomte de Blois en 906, vicomte de Tours en 908, puis comte de Tours et comte de Blois vers 940.
Il serait de haute extraction franco-bourguignonne et arrivé sur les bords de la Loire inférieure au début du Xe siècle. Il est le fondateur de la dynastie des Thibaldiens.
Il épousa Richilde de Bourges, connue aussi sous le nom de Richilde du Maine (v.890-† ap.942), fille de Hugues (v.862-892), comte de Bourges et de Rothilde (v.871-v.928), fille de Charles le Chauve et de Richilde d'Ardennes. Veuve d'Hugues de Bourges, Rothilde épousa en secondes noces Roger, comte du Maine.
Richilde de Bourges eut pour sœur Rohaut, la première épouse d'Hugues le Grand.
Avec Richilde, Thibaud eut trois enfants :
* Thibaud le Tricheur qui lui succéda dans ses « honneurs »
* Richard (†969), archevêque de Bourges
* une fille peut-être prénommée Adélaïde, mariée en premières noces au duc Alain Barbetote de Bretagne, en secondes noces au comte Foulque II le Bon d'Anjou, mort en 958.
Bibliographie
* Pierre Riché, Les Carolingiens, une famille qui fit l'Europe, Hachette, coll. « Pluriel », Paris, 1983 (réimpr. 1997), 490 p. (ISBN 2-01-278851-3)
* Jean-Charles Volkmann, Bien Connaître les généalogies des rois de France (ISBN 2-87747-208-6 )
* Michel Mourre, Le petit Mourre. Dictionnaire d'Histoire universelle (ISBN 978-2-04-732194-2)
* Jean Gouget - Thierry Le Hête, Les comtes de Blois et de Champagne et leur descendance agnatique
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THIBAUT [Tetbald] [I] "l'Ancien", son of --- (-[944], bur Tours Saint-Martin). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records that "Hastingo" sold "civitate Carnoto" to "Turonensi comiti Theobaldo" in 904[13]. Guillaume de Jumièges describes how "le comte Thibaut" bought the town of Chartres from Hasting the Viking[14]. Vicomte de Tours. "Domni Fulconis Andecavorum comitis, Tedbaldi Turonorum vicecomitis" subscribed the charter dated 30 Oct 909 under which the testamentary executors of "domni Gauzuini" donated property to Saint-Martin de Tours[15]. "…Tetbaldi vicecomitis…" subscribed the charter of "Hugo rector abbatiæ sancti Martini" relating to Tours Saint-Martin dated 931[16]. The identity of the husband of Richilde, and father of Thibaut [II] and Richard, is brought together by the charter dated to [944] under which "le comte Thibault père de Thibault" relinquished rights relating to "les terres de Vancé, de Joué, de Martigny et de Berthenay" to Tours Saint-Martin and paid for his future burial in the abbey[17]. m firstly ---. The primary source which confirms this first marriage has not yet been identified. It is likely that the only indication is provided by the charter, dated to [980], under which “Ledgardis comitissa necnon Hugo episcopus et filius meus et item filius meus Odo comes” donated property to Saint-Martin de Tours, for the souls of “Theobaldi comitis quondam senioris mei…Richildis quondam sanctimonialis, eiusque filii Richardi episcopi” (referring to “dicti comitis et fratris sui Theobaldi”, in relation to Bishop Richard)[18]. This charter confirms that Richildis was the mother of Richard and that Richard was the brother of Thibaut [II]. However, the absence of a phrase in the text such as “matris sui” linking “Richildis” to “Theobaldi comitis” suggests that she was not the mother of Richard´s brother Thibaut, and that therefore the brothers were born from different marriages of the same father. m secondly RICHILDIS, daughter of ---. Richildis is named as second wife of Thibaut in Europäische Stammtafeln[19] but the primary source on which this is based has not yet been identified. The charter, dated to [980], under which “Ledgardis comitissa necnon Hugo episcopus et filius meus et item filius meus Odo comes” donated property to Saint-Martin de Tours, for the souls of “Theobaldi comitis quondam senioris mei…Richildis quondam sanctimonialis, eiusque filii Richardi episcopi” (referring to “dicti comitis et fratris sui Theobaldi”, in relation to Bishop Richard)[20] confirms that Richildis was the mother of Richard and that Richard was the brother of Thibaut. However, it provides no indication of the name of their father and therefore of Richildis´s husband. Comte Thibaut & his first wife had [one possible child]:
a) THIBAUT [II] ([910]-16 Jan [975/77]). "Le comte Thibault père de Thibault" relinquished rights relating to "les terres de Vancé, de Joué, de Martigny et de Berthenay" to Tours Saint-Martin and paid for his future burial in the abbey by charter dated to [944][21]. He succeeded [his father] in [944] as THIBAUT I "le Tricheur" Comte de Blois, Vicomte de Tours.
- see below.
Comte Thibaut & his second wife had two children:
b) RICHARD (-969). “Ledgardis comitissa necnon Hugo episcopus et filius meus et item filius meus Odo comes” donated property to Saint-Martin de Tours, for the souls of “Theobaldi comitis quondam senioris mei…Richildis quondam sanctimonialis, eiusque filii Richardi episcopi” (referring to “dicti comitis et fratris sui Theobaldi”, in relation to Bishop Richard), by charter dated to [980][22]. This confirms that Richildis was the mother of Richard and that Richard was the brother of Thibaut. However, the absence of a phrase in the text such as “matris sui” linking “Richildis” to “Theobaldi comitis” suggests that she was not the mother of Richard´s brother Thibaut, and that therefore the brothers were born from different marriages of the same father. Archbishop of Bourges 956/57.
c) daughter . The Chronicle of Nantes records the marriage of "Alanus dux" and "Theobaldum comitem Blesensem…sorore sua"[23]. Given the date of her marriage, and assuming that the estimated birth date of her brother Thibaut [II] is correct as shown above, it is probable that this daughter was born from her father's supposed second marriage. The Chronicle of Nantes records the marriage of "Theobaldus comes Blesensis…sororem suam relictam Alani Barbætortæ ducis" and "Fulconi comiti Andegavensi"[24]. m firstly (before [949/51]) [as his second wife,] ALAIN II Duke of Brittany, son of MATHEDOI [Matuedo] Comte de Poher & his wife --- de Bretagne (in Brittany [before 919]-952). m secondly (after 952) as his second wife, FOULQUES II Comte d'Anjou, son of FOULQUES I "le Roux" Comte d'Anjou & his wife Roscille de "Loches" ([920]-11 Nov 958).
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Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CENTRAL%20FRANCE.htm#ThibautIdied975):
THIBAUT [Tetbald] [I] "l'Ancien", son of --- (-[944], bur Tours Saint-Martin). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records that "Hastingo" sold "civitate Carnoto" to "Turonensi comiti Theobaldo" in 904[13]. Guillaume de Jumièges describes how "le comte Thibaut" bought the town of Chartres from Hasting the Viking[14]. Vicomte de Tours. "Domni Fulconis Andecavorum comitis, Tedbaldi Turonorum vicecomitis" subscribed the charter dated 30 Oct 909 under which the testamentary executors of "domni Gauzuini" donated property to Saint-Martin de Tours[15]. "…Tetbaldi vicecomitis…" subscribed the charter of "Hugo rector abbatiæ sancti Martini" relating to Tours Saint-Martin dated 931[16]. The identity of the husband of Richilde, and father of Thibaut [II] and Richard, is brought together by the charter dated to [944] under which "le comte Thibault père de Thibault" relinquished rights relating to "les terres de Vancé, de Joué, de Martigny et de Berthenay" to Tours Saint-Martin and paid for his future burial in the abbey[17]. m firstly ---. The primary source which confirms this first marriage has not yet been identified. It is likely that the only indication is provided by the charter, dated to [980], under which “Ledgardis comitissa necnon Hugo episcopus et filius meus et item filius meus Odo comes” donated property to Saint-Martin de Tours, for the souls of “Theobaldi comitis quondam senioris mei…Richildis quondam sanctimonialis, eiusque filii Richardi episcopi” (referring to “dicti comitis et fratris sui Theobaldi”, in relation to Bishop Richard)[18]. This charter confirms that Richildis was the mother of Richard and that Richard was the brother of Thibaut [II]. However, the absence of a phrase in the text such as “matris sui” linking “Richildis” to “Theobaldi comitis” suggests that she was not the mother of Richard´s brother Thibaut, and that therefore the brothers were born from different marriages of the same father. m secondly RICHILDIS, daughter of ---. Richildis is named as second wife of Thibaut in Europäische Stammtafeln[19] but the primary source on which this is based has not yet been identified. The charter, dated to [980], under which “Ledgardis comitissa necnon Hugo episcopus et filius meus et item filius meus Odo comes” donated property to Saint-Martin de Tours, for the souls of “Theobaldi comitis quondam senioris mei…Richildis quondam sanctimonialis, eiusque filii Richardi episcopi” (referring to “dicti comitis et fratris sui Theobaldi”, in relation to Bishop Richard)[20] confirms that Richildis was the mother of Richard and that Richard was the brother of Thibaut. However, it provides no indication of the name of their father and therefore of Richildis´s husband. Comte Thibaut & his first wife had [one possible child]:
a) THIBAUT [II] ([910]-16 Jan [975/77]). "Le comte Thibault père de Thibault" relinquished rights relating to "les terres de Vancé, de Joué, de Martigny et de Berthenay" to Tours Saint-Martin and paid for his future burial in the abbey by charter dated to [944][21]. He succeeded [his father] in [944] as THIBAUT I "le Tricheur" Comte de Blois, Vicomte de Tours.
- see below.
Comte Thibaut & his second wife had two children:
b) RICHARD (-969). “Ledgardis comitissa necnon Hugo episcopus et filius meus et item filius meus Odo comes” donated property to Saint-Martin de Tours, for the souls of “Theobaldi comitis quondam senioris mei…Richildis quondam sanctimonialis, eiusque filii Richardi episcopi” (referring to “dicti comitis et fratris sui Theobaldi”, in relation to Bishop Richard), by charter dated to [980][22]. This confirms that Richildis was the mother of Richard and that Richard was the brother of Thibaut. However, the absence of a phrase in the text such as “matris sui” linking “Richildis” to “Theobaldi comitis” suggests that she was not the mother of Richard´s brother Thibaut, and that therefore the brothers were born from different marriages of the same father. Archbishop of Bourges 956/57.
c) daughter . The Chronicle of Nantes records the marriage of "Alanus dux" and "Theobaldum comitem Blesensem…sorore sua"[23]. Given the date of her marriage, and assuming that the estimated birth date of her brother Thibaut [II] is correct as shown above, it is probable that this daughter was born from her father's supposed second marriage. The Chronicle of Nantes records the marriage of "Theobaldus comes Blesensis…sororem suam relictam Alani Barbætortæ ducis" and "Fulconi comiti Andegavensi"[24]. m firstly (before [949/51]) [as his second wife,] ALAIN II Duke of Brittany, son of MATHEDOI [Matuedo] Comte de Poher & his wife --- de Bretagne (in Brittany [before 919]-952). m secondly (after 952) as his second wife, FOULQUES II Comte d'Anjou, son of FOULQUES I "le Roux" Comte d'Anjou & his wife Roscille de "Loches" ([920]-11 Nov 958).
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Theobald - Vicomte of Troyes
B: abt 0885 Blois, Loir-Et-Cher, Orleanais/Centre, France
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Theobald De TOURS
Born: ABT 854 -
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Richende
Born: ABT 858 -
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Theobald I, Count Of CHAMPAGNE
Born: ABT 913 - Of, Blois, , France
Died: 16 JAN 978 -
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Theobald de Blois1
b. circa 880, d. 904
Theobald de Blois was born circa 880. He married Richilde de Bourges, daughter of comte de Bourges Hugh de Bourges, before 900. Theobald de Blois died in 904.
Family
Richilde de Bourges b. before 892
Children
* Gerlotte de Blois+ b. c 9002,3
* N. N. de Blois+ b. c 903?4
* Thibaut I "le Tricheur", comte de Blois+ b. b 904, d. 16 Jan 975
Citations
1. [S204] Roderick W. Stuart, RfC, 340-36.
2. [S209] Somerset Herald J.R. Planché, Planché, J.R..
3. [S204] Roderick W. Stuart, RfC, 295-37.
4. [S1073] Bernard S. Bachrach, Bachrach, pg. 267.
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Theobald de Blois married Richilde de Bourges, daughter of comte de Bourges Hugh de Bourges, before 900.
See "My Lines"
( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/p315.htm#i7561 )
from Compiler: R. B. Stewart, Evans, GA
( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/index.htm )
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Theobald de Blois married Richilde de Bourges, daughter of comte de Bourges Hugh de Bourges, before 900.
See "My Lines"
( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/p315.htm#i7561 )
from Compiler: R. B. Stewart, Evans, GA
( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/index.htm )
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Thibaut of TOURS Viscount of Tours 1, 2 was born 885 in Tours, Indre-et-Loire, France. He died 942 in Tours, Indre-et-Loire, France. Thibaut married Richilde de MAINE on 911 in Tours, Indre-et-Loire, France.
Richilde de MAINE [Parents] 1, 2 was born 893 in , Maine, France. She married Thibaut of TOURS Viscount of Tours on 911 in Tours, Indre-et-Loire, France.
They had the following children:
M i Thibaut I "le Tricheur" of BLOIS Count of Blois was born 912 and died 16 Jan 978.
-------------------- Theobald de Tours - was born before 0854, lived in Blois, France.
Theobald married Richende de Bourges. Richende was born in 0858, lived in Blois, France. .
Children: (Quick Family Chart)
i. Count Theobald I "le Tricheur" de Blois was born about 0913, lived in Blois, France and died on 16 Jan 0978 . -------------------- Vicomte de Blois et de Tours
[Custer February 1, 2002 Family Tree.FTW]
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221797460. Theobald N.NSON av Saumure was living in 885.(12682) He died in 904. (12683) He was married to Richilde ROBERTSDTR av Paris.
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Alias:The "Cheat" Count of /Troyes/
SOURCE NOTES:
www.dcs.hull.ac.uk/cgi-bin/gedlkup/n=royal?royal03187
RESEARCH NOTES:
First Count of Blois
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1 NAME the Cheat //
2 GIVN the Cheat
2 SURN
2 NICK the Cheat
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