Genealogie Wylie » Alberic II Comte de Dammartin (± 1138-1200)

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• Hij is geboren rond 1138 in Dammartin, Seine-et-Marne, Île de France, France.
• Hij is overleden op 19 september 1200 in London, England.
• Een kind van Alberic I Comte de Dammartin
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Hij heeft/had een relatie met Maud (Mathilde) of Clermont.

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Message from curt Hoemann in the databse of Jim Wiber "The Phillips, Weber, Kirk, & Staggs families of the Pacific Northwest" on Rootsweb WorldConnect:

It appears there is more recent research on his ancestry. Whether this supplants the line from Aubrey I to Manasses as given in previously published peerages, Plantagenet ancestries, etc. I can't say, but considering that Chris Phillips works for Cokayne's Peerage, that Keats-Rohan agrees with it & Todd A. Farmerie accepts it means that it likely will be taken up in the next issues of Burke's, CP, Weis AR8, MC6 et al. You may want to go to the Gen-Medieval archives for May 2002 & read the whole thread to see why I say this. Peter Stewart 19 May 2000 message to Gen-Medieval/soc.genealogy.medieval: The lineage was reconstructed by JN Mathieu in *Recherches sur les premiers comtes de Dammartin*, _Mémoires publiés par la Fédération des sociétés historiques et archéologiques de Paris et de l'Ile-de-France_, 47 (1996), which I haven't seen but understand from correspondence as follows: 1 Alberic II, count of Dammartin-en-Goële, died 20 September 1200 2 Alberic I le Chambrier, count of Dammartin, lord of Norton, died 1181/2 3 NN (his first wife), living 1147 4 Eudes de Dammartin, of Norton & Mendlesham, Suffolk, died 1130 5 Basilie N 8 Hugues I de Montdidier, count of Dammartin, died ca 1100 9 Rohais de Clare, died 1121 16 Manassès de Montdidier, count of Dammartin, killed 15 Dec 1037 17 Constance (of France) 18 Richard fitz Gilbert, lord of Clare, died May 1089 19 Rohais Giffard, died after 1133 #2 Alberic I was married perhaps twice and possibly three times. His first wife was most likely the mother of both sons attributed to him, #1 Alberic II and another named Eudes, lord of Buckden & Beachamstead. The younger son was recorded in 1155, so both were almost certainly born well before 1147 when the first wife was apparently still alive. Their mother's name has been given as Mathilde in some sources (I'm not sure of the source for this) and as Clemencie in others for reasons I don't understand (#1 Alberic II's wife Mathilde de Clermont was the daughter of a lady of this name). Alberic I's second wife was probably Joan Basset, already twice widowed ca 1160 when they married, daughter of Gilbert Basset & Edith d'Oilly; he may also have married thirdly Amicia (Uta), who died as a nun, widow of Robert 'le Bossu' de Beaumont, earl of Leicester, daughter of Ralph de Gael, earl of Norfolk & his wife Emma, but this is not attested in contemporary records as far as I know. #4 above is said to be a brother of Adele, dame of Bulles, formerly thought to be the mother of #2 by her first husband Aubri de Mello. According to this theory, if I've got it right, #2 Alberic I, whose career was mainly at the French court, is identical with Alberic, lord of Norton in Suffolk, and the descent of Dammartin is now traced through the male line of Montdidier instead of Mello. #9 was formerly called Rohais de Bulles and the Clare connection was new in Mathieu, I think. #17 is thought to have been the second daughter of Robert II the Pious, king of the Franks by his third wife Constance de Provence, but this is not certain. In response Chris Phillips replied 20 May 2002 (message revamped but essentially true to the original): Keats-Rohan seems essentially to agree with what you've posted, and cites Mathieu liberally. The other secondary source cited is Michael Bur, "De quelques champenois dans l'entourage francais des rois d'Angleterre aux XIe et XII siecles", in Keats-Rohan, ed., Family Trees (1997). Re: 1, 2, 3: 1 doesn't get his own entry, and there is no discussion of the wives of 2. KR says only that Alberic was son of Odo I de Dammartin and Basilia, that he was chamberlain to Louis VI from 1122 to 1129, and that he was living in 1162, the year his son Aubrey became count of Dammartin. "See Mathieu". Re: 4, 5: Dead by 1129/30, when his widow Basilia and son Odo appear on the Pipe Roll. He left issue Odo, Alberic, William, Stephen, Manasser and Haimo. Mathieu suggested Basilia was a sister of Haimo de Saint-Clair. The son Odo was lord of Strumshaw and answered for one fee in chief in 1166; his heir in 1212 was another Odo who had married a sister of Richard de Lucy. The son William held eleven and a half fees of his kinsman Roger de Clare in 1166. Also appears as Alan. The son Stephen married Sara, daughter of Alfred de Benniville, by whom Gilbert, a monk by 1174 and Basilia, wife of Hugh of Bolton. The son Manasser also occurs as Walter. Fairly full account. In summary, married Galiena, had sons Bartholomew, Odo, Haimo and William. Manasser died 1178/9, succeeded by Bartholomew (dsp by 1194; his own article says d.1190). Heir by 1197 was Galiena, dau of his son William (Bartholomew's article says William d.1195), who married 3 times [details given]. Manasser also had c.1168 a nephew Manasser, eldest son of Odo de Compeng. Re: 8, 9: Just a passing reference in the article on Odo. Hugh d.c.1085, and Mathieu suggests Rohais was daughter of Richard de Clare and 2ndly the wife of Eudo Dapifer. To which Douglas Richarson added (again message revamped but essentially true to the original): Manassser de Dammartin (died 1178/9) above married Galiena de Gournay. Their son, William's daughter, Galiena de Dammartin, was their heiress. She married three times to Briwer, Borgate and Mandeville. She left issue by her Borgate and Mandeville marriages. The Tyrrell family of Essex descends from the Borgate marriage. Regards, Curt

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