Genealogie Wylie » Christine (Christian) Bertram (± 1218-> 1294)

Persoonlijke gegevens Christine (Christian) Bertram 

• Zij is geboren rond 1218 in Mitford Castle, Morpeth, Northumberland, England.
• Zij is overleden na 1294.
• Alternatief: Zij is overleden in het jaar 1275.Bron 3
• Een kind van Roger II Bertram en Agnes
• Deze gegevens zijn voor het laatst bijgewerkt op 5 april 2023.

Gezin van Christine (Christian) Bertram

(1) Zij is getrouwd met William de Ros.

Zij zijn getrouwd voor 1241 te 1st husband.

(2) Zij is getrouwd met Robert de Penbury.

Zij zijn getrouwd na 1269 te 2nd husband.

Notities over Christine (Christian) Bertram

He [Robert de Ros] married, (? 2ndly), Christine, daughter of . . .BERTRAM, and sister and in her issue coheir of Roger BERTRAM. He waspresumably living at Michaelmas 1269, and died probably before Novemberfollowing. His widow married Robert de Penbury; their son Ellis was herheir. [Complete Peerage XI:119-20, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

Note: CP II:126 states that Christine married 1stly Mr. de Penbury, and2ndly Robert de Ros.

---------------------------------------

The e-mail from Douglas Richardson below shows that CP (both volume XI &II) are in error, with Christine Bertram marrying (1) Robert's eldest sonWilliam, with their son William dvp & sp; (2) Robert Penbury, with theirson Ely being Christine's male heir:

From: Douglas Richardson [mailto:royalancestry AT msn.com]
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 10:39 AM
To: Ian Fettes; Jim Weber
Cc: Therav3 AT aol.com; gymhunk
Subject: Christine Bertram and her immediate family

Dear Everyone ~

Below please find the revised record of Christine Bertram and herimmediate family based on the sources cited below.
Hedley proves Christine did not marry Robert de Roos (died 1269), ofWark, but, rather his son and heir, William de Roos, who died in hisfather's lifetime. This corrects Complete Peerage under both Bertram andRoos. Vickers shows that Christine appears with her 2nd husband, RobertPenbury, in a suit dated 1291. She was living as late as 1294. In 1312Christine's male heir was her youngest son, Ely Penbury, whose subsequenthistory I've been unable to trace. Earlier genealogists have assumedRobert and Ely Penbury were members of the Pendlebury family ofLancashire, but I've been unable to confirm this assumption. Vickersalleges that Christine's older son, William de Roos, left two daughtersand co-heiresses, one who married an Archer and one who married aWetewange. The Archer and Wetewange families were evidently William deRoos' successors to his properties. However, if true, the daughtersshould have been named Christine's heirs in 1312 when Christine's niece,Agnes Bertram, died, rather than their supposed uncle, Ely Penbury.

Given this train of events, the only thing that makes sense is if Williamde Roos' two daughters were actually his sisters.That would remove themfrom the line of succession to the Bertram estates and allow Ely Penburyto be named Christine Bertram's male heir in 1312. This re-arrangementof the pedigree corrects Vickers in other ways, who seems not to havebeen aware that Christine Bertram was the wife of William de Roos. Also,from his comments in a footnote, it seems that Vickers was not aware thatWilliam de Roos was the eldest son of Robert de Roos of Wark. Hedleysubsequently proved both points.

Christine's descendants should have inherited a one fourth share in theBertram family estates on the death of her niece, Agnes Bertram, withoutissue.However, it appears that before her death, Agnes conveyed the chiefBertram properties to the Queen, thereby disinheriting her aunt'sdescendants. Although the heirs of the four aunts were duly recognizedas Agnes Bertram's heirs, I found a record which stated that the king hadonly granted a share of the Bertram estates to the Darcy representative,and that the king was still holding the shares of the other Bertramheirs, including that of Christine Bertram's son, Ely Penbury.I can notfind if or when the other Bertram heirs were ever granted their share ofthe Bertram estates.

Hedley deserves a lot of credit in this matter, as he found theNorthumberland plea dated 1241 which proved that Christine Bertrammarried William de Roos, not his father. Now that I see that the Bertramestates were diverted from Christine's descendants, I better understandwhy the identity and order of Christine's two marriages was confusing toso many people, and why Christine's children and grandchildren were notreadily identified.

As ever, Douglas Richardson

D4. Christine Bertram, +after 1294,
m. (1) in or before 1241 William de Roos, of Mindrum, Northumberland(+before 1269);
m. (2) before 1291 Robert Penbury (+after 1291)[1]

E1. (by 1) Robert de Roos, +before 1293[2]

E2. (by 1) William de Roos, of Downham, Northumberland, +1296/1309[3]

E3. (by 1) _____ de Roos, +before 1309, m. John Archer (+1309/20)[4]

F1. Robert Archer, +after 1320, m. possibly Christine _____ (+after1348)[5]

E2. (by 1) Joan de Roos, +after 1309, m. Walter Wetewange (+after 1309)[6]

E3. (by 2) Ely Penbury, +after 1312[7]

--list of sources--

[1]K.H. Vickers Hist. of Northumberland 11 (1922): 77-85; W. P. HedleyNorthumberland Fams. 1 (1968): 224-229.

[2]W. P. Hedley Northumberland Fams. 1 (1968): 224-229.

[3] K.H. Vickers Hist. of Northumberland 11 (1922): 77-85; W. P. HedleyNorthumberland Fams. 1 (1968): 224-229.

[4] K.H. Vickers Hist. of Northumberland 11 (1922): 77-85.

[5] K.H. Vickers Hist. of Northumberland 11 (1922): 77-85.

[6] K.H. Vickers Hist. of Northumberland 11 (1922): 77-85.

[7]W. P. Hedley Northumberland Fams. 1 (1968): 224-229.

Heeft u aanvullingen, correcties of vragen met betrekking tot Christine (Christian) Bertram?
De auteur van deze publicatie hoort het graag van u!

Tijdbalk Christine (Christian) Bertram

Klik op de namen voor meer informatie. Gebruikte symbolen:  grootouders    ouders    broers/zussen    kinderen