Genealogie Wylie » Thomas ap Gwilym , of Perth-Hir, Sir (± 1357-1438)

Persoonlijke gegevens Thomas ap Gwilym , of Perth-Hir, Sir 

• Hij is geboren rond 1357 in Wernddu, Monmouthshire, Wales.
• Hij is overleden op 4 juli 1438 in Plas yn-y-berth-hir (Perth-hir), Monmouthshire, Wales.Bronnen 1, 2
• Hij is begraven op 8 juli 1438 in Llansantffraed Church, Monmouthshire, Wales.
• Een kind van Gwilym ap Jenkin en Gwenllian verch Hywel
• Deze gegevens zijn voor het laatst bijgewerkt op 18 september 2008.

Gezin van Thomas ap Gwilym , of Perth-Hir, Sir

(1) Hij is getrouwd met Maud (Mawd) Morley.

Zij zijn getrouwd na 1375 te 2nd wife.

Kind(eren):

1. William ap Thomas Herbert  ± 1377-1446 

(2) Hij is getrouwd met Unknown First Wife.

Zij zijn getrouwd te 1st wife.

Kind(eren):

1. Tudful verch Thomas  ± 1375-???? 

Notities over Thomas ap Gwilym , of Perth-Hir, Sir

Thomas ap Gwilym, of Perth-hir, Rickfield, Mon; married Mawd, daughter ofSir John Morley, of Llansanffraid, near Abergavenny, and died 1438.[Burke's Peerage]

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Copied from Herbert, George biography, 88.1911encyclopedia.org/H/HERBERT_GEORGE.htm:

Thomas ap Gwilim Jenkin, called the fourth son, is ancestor of all thosewho bore the surname Herbert.

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The following material was copied from Jane Williams Flank, World Connectdb=jwflank, rootsweb.com:
Note that there are conflicting statements, depending on the source, manyof which have been discounted.

Pembroke 'wore the garter,' which required for eligibility 'a gentlemanof blood,' defined by Beltz on page 84 of his "Order of the Garter" thus;'He shall have three descents of noblesse, of name and arms, on hisfather's and on his mother's side.' Sir William Herbert, Lord of Ragland,Earl of Pembroke was third "descent" from the Master Sergeant ofAbergavenny. It was when King Edward created Sir William an earl that the'descent' from the Norman Conqueror was established. Sir William's fatherGwillam ap Thomas ap Gwillam, had been knighted on the field ofAgincourt, 1415, when he and two other Welsh archers saved Henry V'slife. Accolade was bestowed on the spot. Later the Heralds had to givethem English names. Why they went so far back for the name Herbert isexplained by the fact that Herbert had become English while Thomas wasstill Welsh. When, in 1461, heralds questioned the about-to-be earl'sright to the name Herbert, the king appointed a commission of wise men todecide the matter. At the end of the year they handed in a report writtenin four languages, Latin, British (Welsh), French, and English. It read:". . . said honorable Earl is named William Herbert, son of Jenkin, sonof Adam, son of Reginald, son of Peter, son of Herbert, son of Peter, sonof Herbert, son of Herbert, a noble Lord descended of the blood of theCrown of England, for he was natural son of Henry I, son of William theConqueror."

Sir S. Meyrick, authority on the Herbert family, says the heralds forgedthe lineage to please the king, but it is amusing. It is what heraldsthought in 1461, and what Mr Jones of Tregaron shows on his chart made in1592, and quoted by Nicholas in "Annals and Antiquities of the Countiesand County-Founders of Wales." But in 1750 Collins says the Count ofVermandois' son married "Julian who had been the king's mistress." OldWelsh writers call Earl Pembroke "Gwillm Ddu, "Black William."

Nicholas say Thomas, youngest son of William ap Jenkin ap Adam, "made agreat addition to his fortune by marriage to Maud, daughter of Sir JohnMorley, and that part of her dowry was Ragland Castle. Bradney says (vol2, pt 2, p 3) that Thomas' son Gwillam, Sir William Herbert, bought itfrom his stepson, James, Lord Berkeley. The widow, Berkeley, SirWilliam's first wive, was Elizabeth, daughter of Sir John Bluett. Bradneysays Ragland Castle was given to Bluett by a De Clare who built it.[Genealogies of Virginia Families III:110-111 ]

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