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• Roepnaam Gunnor (Gundra\Gunnora) "not" de.
• Zij is geboren rond 0942 in Arque, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France.Bronnen 2, 6, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16
• (Occupation ) .
• Zij is overleden in het jaar 1031 in France.Bronnen 2, 5, 6, 7, 9, 12, 14, 16, 17, 18
• Een kind van Herbastus Forester of Arque en Gunnhild Olafsdotter
• Deze gegevens zijn voor het laatst bijgewerkt op 5 februari 2023.

Gezin van Gunnor (Gundra Gunnora) "not" de (Gunnor (Gundra Gunnora) "not" de) Crepon

Zij is getrouwd met Richard I "The Fearless" of ADD Normandy.

France

Zij zijn getrouwd na 0962 te Danish Wife-Christian marriage after 968.Bron 9

Kind(eren):

1. Richard II "The Good" of ADD Normandy  958-1026 
2. Robert Archbishop of Rouen  ± 964-???? 
3. Mauger Count Of Corbeil  ± 974-1039 
4. Matilda (Mahaud) of Champagne  ± 974-< 1017
5. Beatrice de Normandy  ± 975-???? 
6. Emma Princess of Normandy  986-???? 

Gebeurtenis (Partners ) rond 0953.Bronnen 5, 7, 14, 19, 20

Gebeurtenis (Partners ) voor 0953.Bronnen 1, 5, 7, 14, 21

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Curt Hofemann, (XXXXX@XXXX.XXX), in a post-em, wrote:

Apparently she was not "de Crepon" & her parentage is unknown:

The name of the father of Gunnor is unknown. Herbastus is derived fromthe name of her brother Herfast/Arfastus, but is unsupported. [Ref: ToddA Farmerie ((XXXXX@XXXX.XXX)) message to Gen-Medieval 6 Nov 1996]

The greater part of our information about Gunnor and her relations isderived from those additions to the History of William of Jumieges forwhich Robert de Rotigny is responsible. It is Robert who preserved thestory of how Richard I of Normandy became enamoured of the beautifulSenfrie, wife of one of his foresters, and how Senfrie contrived tosubstitute her sister Gunnor for herself, to the Duke's ultimatesatisfaction. [Ref The Sisters and Nieces of Gunnor, Duchess of Normandyby G.H. White in the Genealogist, New Series 1921 v37 p57]

Parentage of Gunnor and her siblings is unknown. While some sourcescall her father Herfastus, this was in fact the name of her brother. Shehas also been claimed as a daughter of the Danish royal family, but thereis no evidence for this, and the context of her coming to attention ofRichard I and the family's subsequent rise to power militates against herbeing a royal daughter. Douglas argued, based on the donations of brotherArfast to the monastery of St. Pere, that the root of the family was inthe Cotetin region of Normandy, but van Houts has suggested that theCotetin land was granted to Arfast, rather than inherited by him. Thus weare left with the more ambiguous statement of Torigny and others that shewas a member of a Norman family of Danish origins. [Ref: Todd A Farmerie((XXXXX@XXXX.XXX)) message to Gen-Medieval 5 Jan 1997]

Gunnora ... was not "de Crepon", nor was she daughter of Herbastus deCrepon of Denmark - her brother Herfastus/Arfast appears to have receivedCrepon only after Gunnora took up with Richard I, and thus the family wasnot originally from there. Likewise, while she is said to be of a noblefamily of Danish ancestry, it is not stated that her father was fromDenmark (the family probably arrived with Rollo, in the generation of her(unknown) grandfather. [Ref: Todd A Farmerie ((XXXXX@XXXX.XXX)) messageto Gen-Medieval 28 Jul 2000]

Research note 1: Was her father Herfast de CREPON or King Haraldblaafandof DENMARK? There is a lack of consensus on this. -Charlotte's WebGeneology http://www.charweb.org/gen/rjones/d0042/g0000020.htm#I239

Research note 2: father: Harald I Blaatand, Bluetooth, King of Denmark[Ref: McBride2 (possibly citing Wurts)]

My notes on Gunnora:
This is the same Gunnora known as Gunnora of Crepon, but both are oflittle value. Gunnora was NOT of Denmark. Some inventive genealogistsomewhere along the line decided to make her daughter of HaraldBluetooth, but there is no basis for this, and what we know of herindicates it is not really a possibility worthy of consideration. Hernephew later was called "of Crepon" but he likely gained his posessionsthrough Gunnora's marriage to the Duke, rather than this representing theoriginal home of the clan.

What can be said of Gunnora's parents? Nothing! She was not daughter of Harfast, as (too) often stated. Her family was likely of the minor Norman nobility, since her oldest sister was married to a forester at the time Richard first bumped into the girls. That's it.

Richard I of Normandy first bedded, and later married Gunnora, whose ancestry is entirely unknown. She is sometimes said to be daughter of a King of Denmark, but this is incorrect. [taf]

There are several things going on here. First of all, the father of Gunnora and siblings is not known. Attempts to name him Herbastus probably originated in confusion with her brother. Second, Gunnora had three sisters, Senfria/Senfreda, Wevia, and (Avelina). The first marriedan otherwise unknown forester. The latter two are confused by our twosources, one claiming that it was Wevia who married Osbern, and the otherthat Wevia married Turold of Pont Audemer, and by deduction, (Avelina)married Osbern. We know that Osbern married one of them, and a recentanalysis suggests that it was Wevia for nomenclatural reasons.(Specifically, Turold and wife had a granddaughter named Duvelina, and itis hyposthesized that she was named for her grandmother, and thatDuvelina is the authentic name of the sister, rather than Avelina.Finally, in which generation was Osbern's. This is unambiguous. She wassister of Gunnora and the others. There is no source before recent timesthat claims otherwise. There are two probable origins for the error thatshe was niece of Gunnora. First, due to the error in naming her fatherHerfastus, someone aware that this was the name of Gunnora's brotherassumed then that Avelina's father was Gunnora's brother (the name ofGunnora's father being unknown, and probably unknowable). The secondpossibility is a confusion of uncle and nephew. Harfastus/Arfast had ason Osbern of Crepon, and perhaps someone confused this man with Osbernof Bolbec. Still, we know for certain that Osbern of Bolbec married asister of Gunnora. [Ref: Dave Utzinger ((XXXXX@XXXX.XXX)) message toGen-Medieval 29 Jul 2000]

Regards,
Curt
Jan 1997]

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