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Persoonlijke gegevens Ives (Ivo) de Taillebois , 1st Baron of Kendall 

• Ook bekend als Ivo /Tailboys/.
• Hij is geboren rond 1036 in Cristot, Calvados, Normandy.Bron 6
• Hij is overleden in het jaar 1094 in Kendal, Cambria, England.Bron 7
• Een kind van Geoffrey II "Ferreol" Count of ADD Gatinais en Ermengarde d' Anjou
• Deze gegevens zijn voor het laatst bijgewerkt op 1 april 2023.

Gezin van Ives (Ivo) de Taillebois , 1st Baron of Kendall

(1) Hij is getrouwd met Judith of Lens.

Zij zijn getrouwd na 1076 te 2nd husband.

Kind(eren):

1. William de Taillebois  ± 1077-???? 
2. Waltheof (Waldelf) de Hepple  < 1086-< 1161

(2) Hij is getrouwd met Lucy (Lucia) of Mercia.

Zij zijn getrouwd na 1086 te 1st husband 2nd wife.Bron 8

Kind(eren):

1. Christina de Taillebois  > 1086-???? 
2. Beatrice de Taillebois  ± 1090-????

Notities over Ives (Ivo) de Taillebois , 1st Baron of Kendall

Came with William the Conqueror. In 1092 (shortly before his death) William II Rufus drove the Scots from the Lake District and gave Kendal to Ivo de Taillebois, whose descendants maintained an interest in the town until the nineteenth century.No published source that I have gives parents for Ives/Ivo. World Connect/rootsweb was the source of Gatinais/Anjou as parents, and I have seen references in soc.genealogy.medieval as "of Anjou" which fits with his mother. The book "Origins of Some Anglo-Norman Families" does give a reliable account of his origins in Cristot, Calvados,Normandy, although that is not where he was necessarily born, and he may have held other lands than just Cristot.----------------------------------------------The following concerns Ivo's origins in Normandy, prior to the conquest:Taillebois.Cristot: Calvados, arr. Caen, cant. Tily-sur-Seulles.A note in the cartulary of La Trinite de Vendome mentions a copy of the grant of the church and patronage of Cristot by Ives Taillebois to the abbey. An account of Cristot is given in Beziers, "Diocese de Bayeux, vol ii, p. 192. [Origins of Some Anglo-Norman Families]----------------------------------------------The following is a post to SGM, 22 Oct 2001, by Rosie Bevan (gives details of Ivo's claim to Kendal):From: Rosie Bevan ((XXXXX@XXXX.XXX))Subject: Taillebois [was Gundred de Warenne, Countess of Warwick)Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medievalDate: 2001-10-22 17:57:13 PSTHi ToddYes, I agree in the normal course of events, it was very unusual for a Norman to name a son by an English name. On the face of it, this family appears to have been a mix of Norman, Saxon and Scandinavian and blood. The barony of Kendal was granted to Ivo de Taillebois, who died about 1089, by William Rufus and during the reign of Henry I it passed to Ketel son of Eldred, lord of Workington. Ketel was followed by his son Gilbert and Gilbert by his son William of Lancaster. Dugdale in Monasticon [v.5, p.249] claims that William was called Taillebois and by permission from the king (Henry II) changed his name to Lancaster. [Sanders p.56]. Why he would need permission, I'm not sure. Ketel also had a son Orm which I think is also a Scandinavian name. I think it is important to remember that this was at the northern tip of the Norman empire in England where Norman influence and culture was not initially quite so important locally and the north of England has always had a different culture and perspective from the south. Cumberland was not even covered in the Domesday Book.Whether there is a genetic link between Ivo de Taillebois and Eldred is not absolutely clear but for Eldred to have been born to Ivo, he (Ivo) would have had to have married a very high status Saxon lady (his marriage to Countess Lucy was evidently contracted late in life). For Eldred to have had a son with a Norwegian name he would have had to have married a high status Norwegian lady. Ketel appears to have maried a Norman lady although Orm, Ketel's son, was reputedly married to Gunnild da. of Gospatric and granddaughter of Harold II. I am no expert on this period (and it probably shows) so would appreciate informed comment from someone who has studiedthis line.CheersRosieNote: I at one time had Eldred as son of Ivo de Taillebois, but have subsequently changed it based on later information to his son Ketel (Chetell) marrying a daughter of Ivo, thus explaining the relationship.-----------------------------------------------The following information on Ivo was supplied in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, curt(XXXXX@XXXX.XXX):Not much to hang your hat on, but...Ivo de Talboys. Also called 'cut-bush'. Married Lucy. In charge of siege of Hereward the Wake at Ely, 1069. Steward to William II. Holdings in Lincs. and Norfolk.[Ref: Domesday Online: http://www.domesdaybook.co.uk/index.html]The Lancasters are said to be descendants of Ivo de Taillebois and as William was governor of Lancaster Castle assumed the name accordingly. [Stemma Ivonis de Tayleboyse (ex registro S. Mar Ebor New Monast iii 553) Ivo is stated to have had issue Elthred, the father of Ketel, the father of Gilbert, father of Wm of Lancaster who married Gundreda Countess of Warwick. Ketellus filius Elredi was donor of various property to the Abbey of St Mary, York. [Ref: Rosie Bevan 21 Oct 2001 citing The Topographer and Genealogist 1846 p15] note: "is stated" is usually a subtle reference to a difference of opinion amongst scholars... CurtRegards,Curt

Came with William the Conqueror. In 1092 (shortly before his death)William II Rufus drove the Scots from the Lake District and gave Kendalto Ivo de Taillebois, whose descendants maintained an interest in thetown until the nineteenth century.

No published source that I have gives parents for Ives/Ivo. WorldConnect/rootsweb was the source of Gatinais/Anjou as parents, and I haveseen references in soc.genealogy.medieval as "of Anjou" which fits withhis mother. The book "Origins of Some Anglo-Norman Families" does give areliable account of his origins in Cristot, Calvados,Normandy, althoughthat is not where he was necessarily born, and he may have held otherlands than just Cristot.

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The following concerns Ivo's origins in Normandy, prior to the conquest:

Taillebois.

Cristot: Calvados, arr. Caen, cant. Tily-sur-Seulles.

A note in the cartulary of La Trinite de Vendome mentions a copy of thegrant of the church and patronage of Cristot by Ives Taillebois to theabbey. An account of Cristot is given in Beziers, "Diocese de Bayeux,vol ii, p. 192. [Origins of Some Anglo-Norman Families]

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The following is a post to SGM, 22 Oct 2001, by Rosie Bevan (givesdetails of Ivo's claim to Kendal):

From: Rosie Bevan ((XXXXX@XXXX.XXX))
Subject: Taillebois [was Gundred de Warenne, Countess of Warwick)
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2001-10-22 17:57:13 PST

Hi Todd

Yes, I agree in the normal course of events, it was very unusual for aNorman to name a son by an English name. On the face of it, this familyappears to have been a mix of Norman, Saxon and Scandinavian and blood.The barony of Kendal was granted to Ivo de Taillebois, who died about1089, by William Rufus and during the reign of Henry I it passed to Ketelson of Eldred, lord of Workington. Ketel was followed by his son Gilbertand Gilbert by his son William of Lancaster. Dugdale in Monasticon [v.5,p.249] claims that William was called Taillebois and by permission fromthe king (Henry II) changed his name to Lancaster. [Sanders p.56]. Why hewould need permission, I'm not sure. Ketel also had a son Orm which Ithink is also a Scandinavian name. I think it is important to rememberthat this was at the northern tip of the Norman empire in England whereNorman influence and culture was not initially quite so important locallyand the north of England has always had a different culture andperspective from the south. Cumberland was not even covered in theDomesday Book.

Whether there is a genetic link between Ivo de Taillebois and Eldred isnot absolutely clear but for Eldred to have been born to Ivo, he (Ivo)would have had to have married a very high status Saxon lady (hismarriage to Countess Lucy was evidently contracted late in life). ForEldred to have had a son with a Norwegian name he would have had to havemarried a high status Norwegian lady. Ketel appears to have maried aNorman lady although Orm, Ketel's son, was reputedly married to Gunnildda. of Gospatric and granddaughter of Harold II. I am no expert on thisperiod (and it probably shows) so would appreciate informed comment fromsomeone who has studied
this line.

Cheers

Rosie

Note: I at one time had Eldred as son of Ivo de Taillebois, but havesubsequently changed it based on later information to his son Ketel(Chetell) marrying a daughter of Ivo, thus explaining the relationship.

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The following information on Ivo was supplied in a post-em by CurtHofemann, (XXXXX@XXXX.XXX)oo.com:

Not much to hang your hat on, but...

Ivo de Talboys. Also called 'cut-bush'. Married Lucy. In charge of siegeof Hereward the Wake at Ely, 1069. Steward to William II. Holdings inLincs. and Norfolk.
[Ref: Domesday Online: http://www.domesdaybook.co.uk/index.html]

The Lancasters are said to be descendants of Ivo de Taillebois and asWilliam was governor of Lancaster Castle assumed the name accordingly.[Stemma Ivonis de Tayleboyse (ex registro S. Mar Ebor New Monast iii 553)Ivo is stated to have had issue Elthred, the father of Ketel, the fatherof Gilbert, father of Wm of Lancaster who married Gundreda Countess ofWarwick. Ketellus filius Elredi was donor of various property to theAbbey of St Mary, York. [Ref: Rosie Bevan 21 Oct 2001 citing TheTopographer and Genealogist 1846 p15] note: "is stated" is usually asubtle reference to a difference of opinion amongst scholars... Curt

Regards,
Curt

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