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Persoonlijke gegevens Robert I de ADDED Beaumont , 1st Earl of Leicester [9ggchCh-Wikbio++++] 

• Ook bekend als 1st Earl of /Leicester/, Robert de Beaumont.
• Hij is geboren rond 1046 in Beaumont-le-Roger, Eure, Normandy, France.Bron 3
• Alternatief: Hij is geboren rond 1049.Bron 4
• Hij is overleden op 5 juni 1118 in Meulan, Yvelines, Île de France, Meulan.Bronnen 3, 4
• Hij is begraven in Chapter House of Preaux, Normandy, France.
• Een kind van Roger de Beaumont en Adeline de Meulan
• Deze gegevens zijn voor het laatst bijgewerkt op 28 augustus 2023.

Gezin van Robert I de ADDED Beaumont , 1st Earl of Leicester [9ggchCh-Wikbio++++]

Hij is getrouwd met Isabel (Elizabeth) de Vermandois.

Zij zijn getrouwd in het jaar 1096 te 1st husband.Bronnen 3, 4

Kind(eren):

1. Adeline de Beaumont  ± 1097-???? 
2. Isabel (Elizabeth) de Harcourt de Beaumont  ± 1098-???? 
3. Eleanor de Beaumont  ± 1100-???? 
4. Robert II de ADDED Beaumont  1104-1168 
5. Waleran de Beaumont  1104-1166 
6. Alice de Beaumont  1105-1191
7. Hugh "The Pauper" de Beaumont  ± 1110-> 1142
8. Maud de Beaumont  ± 1116-> 1189 

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Robert de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Leicester

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Robert de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Leicester
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Robert de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Leicester, Count of Meulan (c. 1040/1050 – 5 June 1118), also known as Robert of Meulan, was a powerful Norman nobleman, one of the very few proven Companions of William the Conqueror during the Norman Conquest of England in 1066, and was revered as one of the wisest men of his age. Chroniclers spoke highly of his eloquence and his learning, and three kings of England valued his counsel. He was granted immense land-holdings in England (mainly in the Midlands) by William the Conqueror and by Henry I and was created Earl of Leicester.[1]

Biography
Robert was born between 1040 and 1050, the eldest son of Roger de Beaumont (1015–1094) by his wife Adeline of Meulan (died 1081),[2] the daughter of Waleran III, Count de Meulan and Adelais.[3] He was one of the 15 proven Companions of William the Conqueror specifically referred to in surviving documents as having fought at the Battle of Hastings in 1066 under William the Conqueror, Duke of Normandy, who was a distant cousin.[1] He served as leader of the infantry on the right wing of the Norman army, as evidenced in the following near contemporary account by William of Poitiers:

'A certain Norman, Robert, son of Roger of Beaumont, being nephew and heir to Henry, Count of Meulan, through Henry's sister Adeline, found himself that day in battle for the first time. He was as yet but a young man and he performed feats of valour worthy of perpetual remembrance. At the head of a troop which he commanded on the right wing he attacked with the utmost bravery and success".[4]

His service earned him the grant of more than 91 English manors confiscated from the defeated English, as listed in the Domesday Book of 1086.

When his mother died in 1081, Robert inherited the title of Count of Meulan in Normandy,[a] and the title Viscount Ivry and Lord of Norton. He paid homage to King Philip I of France for these estates and sat as a French Peer in the Parliament held at Poissy.

Robert and his brother Henry were members of the Royal hunting party in the New Forest in Hampshire when King William II Rufus (1087–1100) was shot dead accidentally by an arrow on 2 August 1100.[citation needed] He pledged allegiance to William II's brother, King Henry I (1100–1135), who created him Earl of Leicester in 1107.[6]

On the death of William Rufus, William, Count of Évreux and Ralph de Conches made an incursion into Robert's Norman estates, on the pretence they had suffered injury through some advice that Robert had given to the king; their raid was successful and they collected a vast booty.

During the English phase of the Investiture Controversy, he was excommunicated by Pope Paschal II on 26 March 1105 for advising King Henry to continue selecting the bishops of his realm in opposition to the canons of the church.[7] Sometime in 1106, Henry succeeded in having Anselm, the exiled archbishop of Canterbury, revoke this excommunication. Anselm's (somewhat presumptuous) act was ultimately ratified by Paschal.

According to Henry of Huntingdon, Robert died of shame after "a certain earl carried off the lady he had espoused, either by some intrigue or by force and stratagem."[8] He was the last surviving Norman nobleman to have fought in the Battle of Hastings.[9]

Robert de Beaumont was buried at the Abbey of Saint-Pierre de Préaux in Normandy.

Family
In 1096, aged about 50, he married the 11-year-old Elizabeth (or Isabel) de Vermandois, daughter of Hugh Magnus (1053–1101) and Adelaide, Countess of Vermandois (1050–1120).[10] After his death Elizabeth remarried in 1118 to William de Warenne, 2nd Earl of Surrey. He and Elizabeth had the following progeny:

Waleran IV de Beaumont, Count of Meulan, 1st Earl of Worcester (b. 1104), eldest twin and heir.[11]
Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester & Earl of Hereford (b. 1104), twin[11]
Hugh de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Bedford (born c. 1106)[11]
Emma de Beaumont (born 1102)
Adeline de Beaumont,[2] married Hugh de Montfort-sur-Risle;[2], then Richard de Granville of Bideford (died 1147)
Aubree de Beaumont, married Hugh II of Châteauneuf-Thimerais[2]
Agnes de Beaumont, a nun
Maud de Beaumont, married William Lovel[2]
Isabel de Beaumont, a mistress of King Henry I,[12] married Gilbert de Clare, 1st Earl of Pembroke,[12] and then Hervé de Montmorency, Constable of Ireland
In popular culture
Television
Robert De Beaumont is portrayed by Jotham Annan in the 3 part BBC drama-documentary presented by Dan Snow, 1066: A Year to Conquer England.

Notes
White states Robert was count of Meulan by 6 Jan 1082.[5]
Sources
Altschul, Michael (2019). A Baronial Family in Medieval England: The Clares, 1217-1314. Johns Hopkins University Press.
Edward T. Beaumont, The Beaumonts in History. A.D. 850-1850. Oxford.
Carpenter, David A. (2003). The Struggle for Mastery: Britain, 1066-1284. Oxford University Press.
Crouch, David (1986). The Beaumont Twins: The Roots & Branches of Power in the Twelfth Century. Cambridge University Press.
Crouch, David (2008). "The Historian, Lineage and Heraldry 1050-1250". In Coss, Peter R.; Keen, Maurice (eds.). Heraldry, Pageantry and Social Display in Medieval England. Boydell Press.
Le Patourel, John F. (1984). Feudal Empires. Bloomsbury Publishing.
Vaughn, Sally N. (2022). Anselm of Bec and Robert of Meulan: The Innocence of the Dove and the Wisdom of the Serpent. University of California Press.
References
Mosley, Charles, ed. (2003). Burke's Peerage, Baronetage & Knighthood (107 ed.). Burke's Peerage & Gentry. p. 2287. ISBN 0-9711966-2-1.
Crouch 1986, p. 16.
Vaughn 2022, Appendix B.
Wm. of Poitiers, per Douglas (1959), p. 227
Vaughn 2022, p. 90.
Carpenter 2003, p. 155.
Vaughn 2022, p. 287.
[1] J. R. Planché, The Conqueror and His Companions, Vol. I (Tinsley Bros., London, 1874) p. 212
Edward T. Beaumont, J.P. The Beaumonts in History. A.D. 850-1850. Oxford.
Crouch 2008, p. 30.
Le Patourel 1984, p. 13.
Altschul 2019, p. 21.
External links
The Conqueror and His Companions: Robert de Beaumont
Robert 11 at Prosopography of Anglo-Saxon England
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Robert de Beaumont; allegedly 1st Earl of Leicester of the c1102 creation. [Burke's Peerage]------------------------------------On Leicester, Earldom of [Burke's Peerage, p. 1671]:Robert de Beaumont, a companion in arms of William I (The Conqueror) at Hastings was granted after the Conquest much land in the Midlands of England, but most of it was in Warwickshire rather than Leicestershire. Indeed his younger brother became Earl of Warwick. Robert also held territory in Normandy and is usually referred to as Count of Meulan. He was a leading political figure in the reigns of William II and Henry I and on the death of one Ives de Grandmesnil in the First Crusade, the funds for campaigning in which Ives had raised from Robert on the security of his estates, [Robert] came into full possession of them, including a sizeable part of Leicester. The rest of the town was granted him by Henry I and it is possible that he became Earl of Leicester.-------------------------------------EARLDOM OF LEICESTER (I) 1107 ?ROBERT DE BEAUMONT, SEIGNEUR OF BEAUMONT, PONT-AUDEMER, BRIONNE AND VATTEVILLE in Normandy, and from 1081 COUNT OF MEULAN in the French Vexin, son and heir, born circa 1046. When very young he accompanied Duke William to England and distinguished himself at the battle of Hastings, and received large grants of lands in co. Warwick, with smaller holdings in cos. Leicester, Northants, and Wilts. On 14 July 080, as Robert de Bellomonte, he witnessed the foundation charter of Lessay, and next year he inherited from his mother's family the comté of Meulan. Thereafter he is continuously styled Count (Comes) of Meulan. After the death of the Conqueror he adhered to William Rufus, and was high in favour at his court. He quarrelled with Robert of Normandy about the castellanship of Brionne, in consequence of the exchange of Brionne for Ivry made by his father. He was imprisoned, but was released at the intercession of his father Roger, who eventually succeeded in obtaining Brionne in fee. He succeeded to the greater part of his father's lands in Normandy, including Beaumont, Pont-Audemer, Vatteville and Brionne. This paternal inheritance, added to his French comté and his great possessions in cos. Warwick and Leicester, made him one of the most powerful vassals of the Crown. He became one of the chief lay ministers of William Rufus, with whom he sided against Robert Courtheuse in 1098, and when William invaded the French Vexin in 1097 he received his troops in his fortresses of the comté of Meulan. After the death of William Rufus he became one of the chief advisers of Henry I. On the death of Ives de Grandmesnil on Crusade, Robert retained his estates, which Ives had mortgaged to him circa 1102. Thereby he acquired one-quarter of the town of Leicester, the whole of which was later granted to him by the King. Robert thus added largely to his already vast possessions. In 1104 he was one of the Norman barons who adhered to Henry on his arrival in Normandy. He was present in the King's army at Tenchebrai, 28 September 1106. In 1110 he was besieged at Meulan by Louis VI, who took the castle by storm, but in the following year he retaliated by a raid on Paris, which he plundered. After obtaining the whole town of Leicester he is said to have become EARL OF LEICESTER, but, being already Count of Meulan, was never so styled. There is no contemporary record that he had the third penny of the pleas of the county, but he doubtless acquired, with the Grandmesnil fief, the third penny of the issues of the Mint at Leicester. He married, in 1096, Isabel, called also Elizabeth, daughter of Hugh DE CREPl, called Hug "le Grand," COUNT OF VERMANDOIS. He died 5 June 1118, and was buried with his ancestors in the chapter house of Préaux (c). His widow married, very shortly after his death, William (DE WARINNE), EARL OF SURREY. [Complete Peerage VII:523-6, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)](c) Robert had three sons and five daughters. The sons were Waleran and Robert, twins born in 1104, and Hugh. Waleran, the eldest, succeeded to the Norman and French fiefs, and the English lands held by his grandfather, Roger de Beaumont in 1086. Robert succeeded his father as Earl of Leicester and Hugh is said to have been created Earl of Bedford. The names of only four of the daughter appear to be known--Adeline, Aubreye, Maud and Isabel or Elizabeth. Adeline m. Hugh IV Seigneur of Montfort-sur-Risle. Aubreye m. Hugh II Seigneur of Chateauneuf-en-Thimerais. Maud m. William Louvel, Seigneur of Ivri and Breval. Isabel, also called Elizabeth, was mistress of Henry I, and m. Gilbert de Clare, Earl of Pembroke.

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Father: Roger de HARCOURT (Beaumont - ed) b: ABT 1022 in Pont Audemer, Normandy, France
Mother: Adeliza MEULENT (Meulan - ed) Countess of Meulb: ABT 1014 in Pont Audemer, Normandy, France

Marriage 1 Isabel (Elizabeth)de VERMANDOIS Countess of Meulan b: ABT 1081 in Valois, Bretagne, France
Married: 1096 in , , France
Sealing Spouse: 28 Jul 1936
Children
Aubreye de HARCOURT b: ABT 1100 in Leicester, Leicestershire, England
Maud de HARCOURT b: ABT 1102 in Leicester, Leicestershire, England
Daughter de HARCOURT b: ABT 1103 in Meulan, Isle de France, France
Waleran de HARCOURT (Twin) Count of Meulan & Earl of Wo b: 1104 in Meulan, Isle de France, France
Robert de HARCOURT (Twin) Earl of Leicester b: 1104 in Leicester, Leicestershire, England
Hugh deHARCOURT Earl of Bedford b: ABT 1106 in Leicester, Leicestershire, England
Isabel (Elizabeth) de HARCOURT b: ABT 1086 in Leicester, Leicestershire, England
Daughter de HARCOURT b: ABT 1110 in Leicester, Leicestershire, England
Amicade de HARCOURT b: ABT 1112 in Leicester, Leicestershire, England
Maud de HARCOURT b: ABT 1114 in Leicester, Leicestershire, England
Mabel de HARCOURT b:ABT 1116 in Leicester, Leicestershire, England
Adeline de HARCOURT b: ABT 1124 in Leicester, Leicestershire, England

Marriage 2 Emma de BRETEULL
Married: ABT 1070

Sources:
Title: "Royal Ancestors"
Author: Michel L Call
Publication: Salt Lake City, Utah, 1989
Page: Fgs #59

Robert de Beaumont; allegedly 1st Earl of Leicester of the c1102creation. [Burke's Peerage]

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On Leicester, Earldom of [Burke's Peerage, p. 1671]:

Robert de Beaumont, a companion in arms of William I (The Conqueror) atHastings was granted after the Conquest much land in the Midlands ofEngland, but most of it was in Warwickshire rather than Leicestershire.Indeed his younger brother became Earl of Warwick. Robert also heldterritory in Normandy and is usually referred to as Count of Meulan. Hewas a leading political figure in the reigns of William II and Henry Iand on the death of one Ives de Grandmesnil in the First Crusade, thefunds for campaigning in which Ives had raised from Robert on thesecurity of his estates, [Robert] came into full possession of them,including a sizeable part of Leicester. The rest of the town was grantedhim by Henry I and it is possible that he became Earl of Leicester.

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EARLDOM OF LEICESTER (I) 1107 ?

ROBERT DE BEAUMONT, SEIGNEUR OF BEAUMONT, PONT-AUDEMER, BRIONNE ANDVATTEVILLE in Normandy, and from 1081 COUNT OF MEULAN in the FrenchVexin, son and heir, born circa 1046. When very young he accompanied DukeWilliam to England and distinguished himself at the battle of Hastings,and received large grants of lands in co. Warwick, with smaller holdingsin cos. Leicester, Northants, and Wilts. On 14 July 080, as Robert deBellomonte, he witnessed the foundation charter of Lessay, and next yearhe inherited from his mother's family the comté of Meulan. Thereafter heis continuously styled Count (Comes) of Meulan. After the death of theConqueror he adhered to William Rufus, and was high in favour at hiscourt. He quarrelled with Robert of Normandy about the castellanship ofBrionne, in consequence of the exchange of Brionne for Ivry made by hisfather. He was imprisoned, but was released at the intercession of hisfather Roger, who eventually succeeded in obtaining Brionne in fee. Hesucceeded to the greater part of his father's lands in Normandy,including Beaumont, Pont-Audemer, Vatteville and Brionne. This paternalinheritance, added to his French comté and his great possessions in cos.Warwick and Leicester, made him one of the most powerful vassals of theCrown. He became one of the chief lay ministers of William Rufus, withwhom he sided against Robert Courtheuse in 1098, and when William invadedthe French Vexin in 1097 he received his troops in his fortresses of thecomté of Meulan. After the death of William Rufus he became one of thechief advisers of Henry I. On the death of Ives de Grandmesnil onCrusade, Robert retained his estates, which Ives had mortgaged to himcirca 1102. Thereby he acquired one-quarter of the town of Leicester, thewhole of which was later granted to him by the King. Robert thus addedlargely to his already vast possessions. In 1104 he was one of the Normanbarons who adhered to Henry on his arrival in Normandy. He was present inthe King's army at Tenchebrai, 28 September 1106. In 1110 he was besiegedat Meulan by Louis VI, who took the castle by storm, but in the followingyear he retaliated by a raid on Paris, which he plundered. Afterobtaining the whole town of Leicester he is said to have become EARL OFLEICESTER, but, being already Count of Meulan, was never so styled. Thereis no contemporary record that he had the third penny of the pleas of thecounty, but he doubtless acquired, with the Grandmesnil fief, the thirdpenny of the issues of the Mint at Leicester.

He married, in 1096, Isabel, called also Elizabeth, daughter of Hugh DECREPl, called Hug "le Grand," COUNT OF VERMANDOIS. He died 5 June 1118,and was buried with his ancestors in the chapter house of Préaux (c). Hiswidow married, very shortly after his death, William (DE WARINNE), EARLOF SURREY. [Complete Peerage VII:523-6, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

(c) Robert had three sons and five daughters. The sons were Waleran andRobert, twins born in 1104, and Hugh. Waleran, the eldest, succeeded tothe Norman and French fiefs, and the English lands held by hisgrandfather, Roger de Beaumont in 1086. Robert succeeded his father asEarl of Leicester and Hugh is said to have been created Earl of Bedford.The names of only four of the daughter appear to be known--Adeline,Aubreye, Maud and Isabel or Elizabeth. Adeline m. Hugh IV Seigneur ofMontfort-sur-Risle. Aubreye m. Hugh II Seigneur ofChateauneuf-en-Thimerais. Maud m. William Louvel, Seigneur of Ivri andBreval. Isabel, also called Elizabeth, was mistress of Henry I, and m.Gilbert de Clare, Earl of Pembroke.

Robert de Beaumont; allegedly 1st Earl of Leicester of the c1102 creation. [Burke's Peerage]------------------------------------On Leicester, Earldom of [Burke's Peerage, p. 1671]:Robert de Beaumont, a companion in arms of William I (The Conqueror) at Hastings was granted after the Conquest much land in the Midlands of England, but most of it was in Warwickshire rather than Leicestershire. Indeed his younger brother became Earl of Warwick. Robert also held territory in Normandy and is usually referred to as Count of Meulan. He was a leading political figure in the reigns of William II and Henry I and on the death of one Ives de Grandmesnil in the First Crusade, the funds for campaigning in which Ives had raised from Robert on the security of his estates, [Robert] came into full possession of them, including a sizeable part of Leicester. The rest of the town was granted him by Henry I and it is possible that he became Earl of Leicester.-------------------------------------EARLDOM OF LEICESTER (I) 1107 ?ROBERT DE BEAUMONT, SEIGNEUR OF BEAUMONT, PONT-AUDEMER, BRIONNE AND VATTEVILLE in Normandy, and from 1081 COUNT OF MEULAN in the French Vexin, son and heir, born circa 1046. When very young he accompanied Duke William to England and distinguished himself at the battle of Hastings, and received large grants of lands in co. Warwick, with smaller holdings in cos. Leicester, Northants, and Wilts. On 14 July 080, as Robert de Bellomonte, he witnessed the foundation charter of Lessay, and next year he inherited from his mother's family the comté of Meulan. Thereafter he is continuously styled Count (Comes) of Meulan. After the death of the Conqueror he adhered to William Rufus, and was high in favour at his court. He quarrelled with Robert of Normandy about the castellanship of Brionne, in consequence of the exchange of Brionne for Ivry made by his father. He was imprisoned, but was released at the intercession of his father Roger, who eventually succeeded in obtaining Brionne in fee. He succeeded to the greater part of his father's lands in Normandy, including Beaumont, Pont-Audemer, Vatteville and Brionne. This paternal inheritance, added to his French comté and his great possessions in cos. Warwick and Leicester, made him one of the most powerful vassals of the Crown. He became one of the chief lay ministers of William Rufus, with whom he sided against Robert Courtheuse in 1098, and when William invaded the French Vexin in 1097 he received his troops in his fortresses of the comté of Meulan. After the death of William Rufus he became one of the chief advisers of Henry I. On the death of Ives de Grandmesnil on Crusade, Robert retained his estates, which Ives had mortgaged to him circa 1102. Thereby he acquired one-quarter of the town of Leicester, the whole of which was later granted to him by the King. Robert thus added largely to his already vast possessions. In 1104 he was one of the Norman barons who adhered to Henry on his arrival in Normandy. He was present in the King's army at Tenchebrai, 28 September 1106. In 1110 he was besieged at Meulan by Louis VI, who took the castle by storm, but in the following year he retaliated by a raid on Paris, which he plundered. After obtaining the whole town of Leicester he is said to have become EARL OF LEICESTER, but, being already Count of Meulan, was never so styled. There is no contemporary record that he had the third penny of the pleas of the county, but he doubtless acquired, with the Grandmesnil fief, the third penny of the issues of the Mint at Leicester. He married, in 1096, Isabel, called also Elizabeth, daughter of Hugh DE CREPl, called Hug "le Grand," COUNT OF VERMANDOIS. He died 5 June 1118, and was buried with his ancestors in the chapter house of Préaux (c). His widow married, very shortly after his death, William (DE WARINNE), EARL OF SURREY. [Complete Peerage VII:523-6, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)](c) Robert had three sons and five daughters. The sons were Waleran and Robert, twins born in 1104, and Hugh. Waleran, the eldest, succeeded to the Norman and French fiefs, and the English lands held by his grandfather, Roger de Beaumont in 1086. Robert succeeded his father as Earl of Leicester and Hugh is said to have been created Earl of Bedford. The names of only four of the daughter appear to be known--Adeline, Aubreye, Maud and Isabel or Elizabeth. Adeline m. Hugh IV Seigneur of Montfort-sur-Risle. Aubreye m. Hugh II Seigneur of Chateauneuf-en-Thimerais. Maud m. William Louvel, Seigneur of Ivri and Breval. Isabel, also called Elizabeth, was mistress of Henry I, and m. Gilbert de Clare, Earl of Pembroke.

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