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Persoonlijke gegevens Gilbert de Gand , Lord of Folkingham [Wikibio++++]sss 

• Ook bekend als Gilbert de /Ghent/.
• Hij is geboren rond 1048 in Ghent, Flanders now Belgium.
• Hij is overleden rond 1095 in Folkingham, Bourne, Lincolnshire, England.Bronnen 2, 3
• Een kind van Ralph (Raoul) de Gand en Gisele of Luxembourg
• Deze gegevens zijn voor het laatst bijgewerkt op 10 april 2023.

Gezin van Gilbert de Gand , Lord of Folkingham [Wikibio++++]sss

Hij is getrouwd met Alice Countess de Montfort.

Zij zijn getrouwd in het jaar 1071 te Folkingham, Bourne, Lincolnshire, England.

Kind(eren):

1. Felia de Gand  ± 1070-????
2. Hugh de Montfort  ± 1072-± 1124 
3. Emma de Gand  ± 1075-1135
4. Piers (Peter) de Montfort  ± 1085-????
5. Agnes de Gand  ± 1092-???? 
6. Walter de Gand  ± 1080-1139 

Notities over Gilbert de Gand , Lord of Folkingham [Wikibio++++]sss

Gilbert de Gant, son of Baldwin, Earl of Flanders, by Maud, sister ofWilliam the Conqueror, accompanied his uncle into England and,participating in the triumph of Hastings, obtained a grant of the landsof a Danish proprietor named Tour, with numerous other lordships. ThisGilbert happened to be at York, anno 1069, and had a narrow escape whenthe Danes in great force, on behalf of Edgar Etheling, entered the mouthof the Humber and, marching upon that city, committed lamentabledestruction by fire and sword, there being more than 3,000 Normans slain.Like most of the great lords of his time, Gilbert de Gant disgorged tothe church a part of the spoil which he had seized, and amongst otheracts of piety restored Bardney Abbey, co. Lincoln, which had been utterlydestroyed many years before by the Pagan Danes, Inquar and Hubba. He m,Alice, dau. of Hugh de Montfort, and had issue, Hugh, who assumed thename Montfort; Walter, his successor; Robert, Lord Chancellor of England,anno 1153; and Emma, m. to Alan, Lord Percy. This great feudal chief d.in the reign of William Rufus. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant,Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p.227, Gant, Earls of Lincoln]

Note: Maud was not a sister, but wife of William the Conqueror; BaldwinVI was her brother, while Baldwin V was her father. The two Baldwinswere Counts not Earls of Flanders. Earl is an English term not used onthe continent. I do not agree with the above parentage for Gilbert inany case.

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Emma, daughter of Gilbert de Gant (himself son of Baldwin, Count ofFlanders, and nephew of Queen Matilda or Maud, wife of William I TheConqueror) by Gilbert's wife Alice, herself daughter of Hugh deMontfort. [Burke's Peerage]

Note: I do not agree with the above parentage for Gilbert.

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More Important NOTE: Ancestral Roots, in a revised lineage for the 7thedition, states that Gilbert's parents are Gisele (or Gisla) ofLuxembourg and Rudolph I of Aalst (or Alost) (also called Ralph de Gandor Ghent). Whoever AR had as parents of Gilbert in prior editions hadbeen removed based on new evidence. I will go with AR.

Gilbert de Gant (Gaunt or Ghent), d. c 1095, buried Bardney, probablyarrived in England in 1066; was a commander in York 1068, and was takenprisoner there by the Danes in 1069. He was a tenant-in-chief and one ofthe largest landholders in co. Lincoln in 1086. Folkingham being thehead of his barony; m. Alice de Montfort, daughter of Count Hugh deMontfort-sur-Risle. [Ancestral Roots]

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Curt Hofemann referrred me to this site(http://www.rootsweb.com/~medieval/gant.htm), which has information fromSGM:

GEN-MEDIEVAL/soc.genealogy.medieval
Who were the parents
of Gilbert de Gant?
compiled by Raymond W. Phair

[This article has been slightly modified from a posting which was made toGEN-MEDIEVAL / soc.genealogy.medieval on 12 July 1999.]

His parents very probably were Ralph, lord of Alost (Aalst in Flemish),and Gisele, daughter of Frederick count of Luxembourg.

Sherman has given the most recent detailed account which is the basis forwhat is summarized below, unless another reference is stated. All therecords cited by Sherman have been published. He emphasized the evidencewas very strong, but not conclusive.

Gilbert I de Gant (d. ca.1095) was in England by 1069 when he and WilliamMalet unsuccessfully defended York castle against the Danish invasion andlocal rebellion [Sherman; EYC 2:432; CP 6:672n; P. Dalton, Conquest,anarchy and lordship, 1994, p.11].

A 1075 transaction in the Watten abbey chronicle was witnessed byGilbert, described as having come from England and as the brother ofBaldwin of Ghent. In 1052 Ralph of Ghent and his son Baldwin attested acharter of the abbey of St. Peter of Mount Blandin, Ghent (Gand, Gent),presumably the same Baldwin. Their records are the main source ofinformation for this family.

Ralph the Advocate was one of the advocates of St. Peter from as early as1026 to sometime before 1058. He was succeeded by Baldwin the Advocate.They are believed to be Gilbert's father and brother mentioned in theprevious paragraph. It is from their service as advocates that somemembers of their family were called 'de Gandavo' (of Ghent). Shermanproposed the castellans of Ghent were the other family of advocates ofSt. Peter. He also noted that while Gilbert's family were the lords ofwhat was probably the county of Alost, they were never titled counts inany records.

In a 1094 gift to the abbey of Bergues St. Winnoc, witnessed by Baldwinof Ghent (son of Gilbert's brother Baldwin who d. 1082), Ralph theChamberlain identified himself as a son of Ralph of Alost and Gisele. Hewas a fellow witness with Gilbert to the 1075 transaction mentionedabove. He may have been the Ralph son of Ralph in a 1056 charter of St.Peter, prior to his appointment as chamberlain. Alternatively, the 1056Ralph son of Ralph might have been Gilbert's father, but he appeared tohave been dead in that year, or someone unrelated.

The annals of St. Peter record about 1042 a gift from Ralph of Ghent andhis wife Gisele -- their earliest joint appearance. They had at least 3sons: Baldwin (their heir), Ralph the Chamberlain, and Gilbert. It isthus extremely probable that she was the unidentified Gisele in 1056 and1058 who gave land and a serf to the abbey for the souls of her father,her husband Ralph, and her sons. Both of her gifts were witnessed byBaldwin, Ralph, and Gilbert, described as her sons. Although they werenot called 'of Alost' or 'of Ghent', it would be an extraordinarycoincidence if these were not the members of that family.

Rubincam, using a source not used by Sherman (and published afterVanderkindere), found that in 1036 Ralph of Ghent and his wife Giselemade a gift to the abbey. Neither Rubincam nor Sherman providedsufficient details to determine if this was the gift Sherman reportedoccurred in 1042. Rubincam also found, but didn't cite a source, thatRalph in 1056 witnessed a gift by count Baldwin to the abbey of St. Omer.Rubincam believed he was Gilbert's father, but he was probably thebrother.

Assuming this was Gilbert de Gant in the 1056 gift and that he was about16 or older, then he was born about 1040 or earlier. His brother Baldwinwas probably the Baldwin of Ghent who witnessed a St. Peter charter in1046, suggesting he was born about 1030 or earlier.

Also, if that was a grant by Gilbert's mother, then his father Ralph hadapparently died sometime between 1052 (his last occurrence) and 1056. Hisparentage is unknown, but it seems likely that he was a descendant of theRalph the Advocate who appeared in the abbey's records in 994.

Vanderkindere (1:121) mentioned a Baldwin occured as advocate in 962 (notdiscussed by Sherman) who may thus be another ancestor of Ralph. Moriartyassumed Baldwin was the father of the earlier Ralph who was in turn thefather of Ralph husband of Gisele. In view of the large gaps, however,there may have been additional generations.

Gilbert's mother was probably the Gisele who was a sister of Otgiva(Ogive), wife of Baldwin IV count of Flanders, and thus Gilbert was oneof Charlemagne's descendants. The burials of both Otgiva (d. 21 Feb 1030)and Gisele (d. 21 May, year unknown) are mentioned in the annals of St.Peter, but it, unfortunately, did not name Gisele's husband.

Europaische Stammtafeln (ES), 6:128 (1978), identified Gisele as adaughter of count Frederick and wife of Ralph of Alost, but didn't showtheir children on that page. It also showed her sister Otgiva marriedabout 1005 Baldwin IV. ES 2:5 (1984) had 1012 for Otgiva's marriage date,as did K.F. Werner's 'Die Nachkommen Karls des Grossen', in Karl derGrosse, ed. W. Braunfels, vol.4 (1967).

Sherman wondered if the erroneous ancestry for Gilbert given inMonasticon Anglicanum (5:491) may have arisen when the unknown author,writing after 1307, found in an unknown source that Gilbert was describedas 'nepos' of William the Conqueror and assumed it to mean 'nephew',although in this case its less frequent meaning of 'kinsman' wasintended. Gilbert was the first cousin once removed of William's wife, ifthe assumption about Gisele's identity is correct.

Gilbert's name appears to have come from his mother's family -- her olderbrother was Gilbert count of Luxembourg (1047-59), and she had a paternaluncle also named Gilbert. He had a son named Ralph and a grandson namedBaldwin, while his brother Baldwin of Ghent named one of his sons Gilbert[CP 7:672; Sherman].

Sherman didn't mention if any tenants of Gilbert de Gant in England canbe traced to Flanders. Gilbert did not seem to hold any land in Flanders.

The identification of Gilbert's father as Ralph of Alost first appearedin A. Duchesne, Histoire genealogique des maisons ... de Gand, ..., 1631.Among the many later writers who have given it were the following:

L.V.J.A. Vanderkindere, Histoire de la formation territoriale desprincipautes belges au moyen age, vol.1 (1899).
W. Farrer, Early Yorkshire Charters (EYC), 2:432 (1915).
Complete Peerage (CP), 7:672n (1929).
M. Rubincam, 'The true origin of the house of Gaunt', Genealogists'magazine, 9:1-7 (1940).
F.M. Stenton, Anglo-Saxon England, 1st ed., 1941, p.621; 3rd ed., 1971,p.629 (no source). D.C. Douglas, William the Conqueror, 1964, p.267, onlycited Stenton for it.
G.A. Moriarty, 'The ancestry of Gilbert de Gant', The AmericanGenealogist, 34:39-40 (1958).
R.M. Sherman, 'The continental origins of the Ghent family ofLincolnshire', Nottingham Medieval Studies, 22:23-35 (1978).

Sherman did not use Farrer, Rubincam, nor Moriarty. See his paper forreferences to additional works discussing this family.

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