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Données personnelles Pepin - du Vexin - 

• Il est né environ 844 dans County of Vexin (present département du Val-d'Oise and Yvelines) (Present Région Ile-de-France) (Present France)(Present Région Ile-de-France).
• Il a été baptisé dans Count of, Berengarius, Bretagne, France.
• Alternative: Il a été baptisé dans Count of, Berengarius, Bretagne, France.
• Baptisé (à 8 ans ou plus tard) par l'autorité de la prêtrise de l'église SDJ le 13 février 1992.
• Il est décédé le 28 JAN 893 TO ABT 893 dans County of Vexin (present département du Val-d'Oise and Yvelines) (Present Région Ile-de-France) (Present France)(Present Région Ile-de-France).
• Un enfant de Pépin Quentin et Rothaïde de Bobbio
• Cette information a été mise à jour pour la dernière fois le 15 juillet 2011.

Famille de Pepin - du Vexin -

Il a/avait une relation avec Cunegonde de Rennes.

Enfant(s):

1. de Neustrie   

Notes par Pepin - du Vexin -

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[2190] or Berenger

DUDLE.GED file: Count Berengarius, ...

of Bretagne - Americans of Royal Descent, Charles H. Browning, p. 15 of Bayeux and Valois - Americans of Royal Descent, Charles H. Browning, p. 30

http://www.dcs.hull.ac.uk/cgi-bin/gedlkup/n=royal?royal03017 de Senlis, Berenger of Bayeaux, Count of Bayeux

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# ID: I28635
# Name: Pepin III Berenger DE SENLIS 1 2 3 4 5
# Sex: M
# Birth: 847 in Bayeux, Neustria 2 3 4 5
# Ancestral File #: FLH8-PX
# Change Date: 15 JAN 2004 5
# Change Date: 3 JAN 2002 2 3 4 5
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[Joanne's Tree.1 GED.GED]

Father: Pepin II De VERMANDOIS b: ABT 818 in Vermandois, Normandy, France
Mother: Rothaid BOBBIO b: ABT 820 in France

Father: Pépin DE ST-QUENTIN II b: 817 in Vermandois, Normandy, France
Mother: Rothaid BOBBIO b: ABT 820 in France

Marriage 1 Miss DE RENNES b: ABT 852 in Bayeux, Neustria

Children

1. Has Children Poppa de Bayeux Duchess Of NORMANDY b: ABT 872 in Evreux, Normandy, Fr
2. Has Children Juhel Berenger of RENNES b: ABT 890

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# ID: I31344
# Name: Berenguer DE BAYEUX 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
# Sex: M
# Birth: ABT 847 in Bayeux, France 9 1 2 9 3 9 9 4 9 9 5 9 9 6 7 8
# Death: ABT 886 in Viking attack at Bayeaux, Normandy, France 9 1 2 9 3 9 9 4 9 9 5 9 9 6 7 8
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Father: Pepin II De Peronne And ST QUENTIN b: ABT 818 in Vermandois, Normandy, France
Mother: Wife Of Pepin II Of Peronne And ST QUENTIN b: ABT 820 in France XX

Marriage 1 NN DE RENNES b: ABT 855 in Rennes, Ille-et-Vilaine, Brittany, France

Children

1. Has Children Poppa (Normandy) DE BAYEUX b: ABT 872 in Bayeux, Normandy, France
2. Has Children Daughter Of Berenger DE BAYEUX b: ABT 880 in Bayeux, Calvados, Normandy, France

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[Aardy R. DeVarque, Feudalism: Serf & Turf] Pat Boren wrote: >OK, last
one. I can't find any corroberating documentation for this line, so I
appreciate help with it.
I can corroborate the start of this line; I originally got the line
from a friend who got it from EuroStamm, and have since found it
elsewhere. (Now that I just checked my notes, I see that it was also
posted here not so long ago in a post which traced Heribert IV of
Vermandois back to Charlie.)
>1. Pepin (great-grandson of Charlemagne), seigneur of St. Quentin and
Peronne.
Count of Senlis, Peronne, & St. Quentin, the son of Bernard (D. of
Milan, & K. of Italy; natural son of Pepin, K. of Italy, son of Charlie)
& Kunigunde.
>2. Pepin de Senlis de Valois, Count Berengarious of Brittany, Count
of Bayeaux.
and brother of Herbet I, Count of Vermandois, Soisson, Meaux, and
Merezais, Seigneur of Senlis, Peronne, and St. Quentin. I would guess
that Herbert was the elder brother, as he got their father's titles. I
have a problem with that 'Count Berengarious' title; there were way too
many 'Berenger, Count of X's' running around during that time (and
usually latinized to 'Berengarius') for me to be comfortable with this.
It sounds like two people got merged into one.
>3. Pepin II, count of Senlis. >4. Bernhard, count of Senlis. >5.
Adela of Senlis = Gauthier II, count of Vexintamiens. >6. Raoul II,
count of Vexin = Adele of Breteuil (dau Hildouin, count of Breteuil
and his wife Emmeline Chartres). >7. Raoul III, the Great, count of
Valois & Vexin = Adela of Bar-sur-Aube. >8. Adela of Vexin = Heribert
IV count of Vermandois.
Here's what the 11th ed. of the Enc. Brittanica has to say on the
subject: 'Valois, Counts & Dukes of. ...From the 10th to the 12th
century it was owned by the counts of Vermandois and of Vexin; but on
the death of Eleanor, sister and heiress oif Raoul V (d. 1167), it was
united to the crown by King Philip Augustus. ...'. 'Vermandois. A
French countship composed originally of the two burgraviates
(ch^atellenies) of St. Quentin (Aisne) and Peronne (Somme). Herbert
I., the earliest of its hereditary counts, was descended in direct
male line from the emperor Charlemagne, and was killed in 902 by an
assassin in the pay of Baldwin II., count of Flanders. His son,
Herbert II (902-943), a man absolutely devoid of scruples, [sorry, had
to include that comment. :)] ...In 1077 the last male of the first
house of Vermandois, Herbert IV., received the countship of Valois in
right of his wife. He died soon afterwards, leaving his inheritance to
his daughter, Adela, ...' Not really a 'smoking gun', but it does
point towards the correctness of what you have.//
[Anders Berg - anders.berg - at - pi.se - Stockholm, SWEDEN]: Alan
Wilson wrote:
'C. SENLIS and VEXIN. 1. Pepin of Peronne Count (817/818 - 892). 2.
Pepin I de SENLIS Count (Circa 846 - 893). 3. Pepin II de SENLIS Count
(Circa 876 - After 922). 4. Bernard de SENLIS (Circa 918 - ). 5. Adele
de SENLIS (Circa 944 - ) & Gautier II de Vexin Count (Circa 944 -
1027). 6. Raoul II of Vexin Count (Circa 980 - After 1030) & Adele de
Bretuil (Circa 980 - ). 7. Raoul III 'the Great' (Circa 1010 - 8 Sep
1074) & Adele de Bar-sur-Aube (Circa 1012 - 1043). 8. Adela de Valois
(Vexin) (Before 1043 - ) & Herbert IV de ERMANDOIS Comte (Circa 1032 -
1080/1096). Call often extends lines through uncertain links. (Many
lines run to Adam.) In this third line, immediately above, no
parentage is assigned to Adele, generation 5, by Weis (Ancestral Roots,
line 250); Moriarty (Plantagenet Ancestry, pp. 135 & 229); and even
Stuart (Royalty for Commoners, line 268). But Turton (Plantagenet
Ancestry, p. 112) carries the line through Adela's father, Bernardos,
Count of Senlis, the Pepins, and on to Bernard of Italy, Pepin of
Italy, and Charlemagne. Turton, I know, has been caught out in quite
a few errors.'
Brandenburg (1935) mentions two children of Pippin, 'Graf' probably of
Senlis (*845, + after 28 Jan 893): - Pippin II & Bernhard, but, in his
notes, he finds the sources unsatisfactory. The new Brandenburg edition
(1995) refers to a work by K.F. Werner from 1967 ( Die Nachkommen Karls
des Grossen bis um das Jahr 1000 ). Werner dismisses Pippin II as an
invention by later genealogists and cancels him out. No descendants of
either Pippin II or his brother Bernhard are listed in any of the
editions of Brandenburg. So, it is fair to say, the descent from
Charlemagne to Adele (generation 5 above) is very dubious indeed.//

{geni:occupation} Comte au nord de Paris (877-893), Count

{geni:about_me} From the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy page on Frankish Nobility (covering his birth family - he apparently never had wife or children):

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANKISH%20NOBILITY.htm#Pepindiedafter850B

PEPIN [I], son of BERNARD I King of Italy [Carolingian] & his wife Cunegundis --- ([815]-after 850).
*Regino names "Pippinum" son of "Bernhardus filius Pippin rex Italiæ"[560].
*Seigneur de Péronne et de Saint-Quentin[561].
*Comte near Paris after 834.
*He supported Emperor Lothaire after the death of Emperor Louis I "le Pieux", despite having sworn allegiance to Charles II "le Chauve"[562].
*The Annales Bertiniani name "Ratholdus…episcopus, Bonifacius comes, Pippinus consanguineus imperatoris" as supporters of Emperor Louis I in 834[563].

m ---. The name of Pépin's wife is not known.
*Settipani suggests[564] that the wife of Comte Pépin was --- [du Vexin], daughter of THEODERIC, son of NIBELUNG Comte du Vexin, bearing in mind that Pépin's descendants inherited estates in the Vexin.

Comte Pépin & his wife had five children:

1. BERNARD [I] ([845]-[before 893]).
*Regino names (in order) "Bernardum, Pippinum et Heribertum" as the three children of "Pippinum"[565]. According to Italian authors[566], Bernard went to Italy and was the ancestor of the Bernardhengi. Settipani is sceptical about this, particularly as the names Pepin and Heribert are not found among the alleged descendants. He suggests that comte Bernard may be the same Bernard recorded as one of the executors of Charles II "le Chauve" King of the West Franks in 877[567].
*"Adelelm et Bernard comtes de la region du Laonnais" donated property to Sainte-Marie de Laon as executors of the testament of Charles II "le Chauve" King of the Franks[568].

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2. PEPIN [II] ([845]-after 28 Jan 893]).

Regino names (in order) "Bernardum, Pippinum et Heribertum" as the three children of "Pippinum"[569].

At the court of Emperor Charles “le Chauve” in 877[570], thereafter Comte to the north of Paris.

Emperor Karl III confirmed a grant of property including "villamque in Pipenensi comitatatu quæ Nogenlis dicitur" to the church of Grandval by charter dated 20 Sep 884[571].

Regino names "Folcone episcopo, Heriberto et Pippino comitibus in Remorum civitate" when recording that they supported the accession of Charles III "le Simple" King of the West Franks in 892 in opposition to King Eudes, but does not specify the relationship between Heribert and Pepin[572].

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3. HERIBERT ([850]-killed [900/6 Nov 907]).
*Regino names (in order) "Bernardum, Pippinum et Heribertum" as the three children of "Pippinum", specifying that Heribert killed "Rodulfum comitem filium Balduini comitis"[573]. "Heribertus, Bernhardi frater" is named in the Vita Hludowicis Imperatoris[574].
*Regino names "Folcone episcopo, Heriberto et Pippino comitibus in Remorum civitate" when recording that they supported the accession of Charles III "le Simple" King of the West Franks in 892 in opposition to King Eudes, but does not specify the relationship between Heribert and Pepin[575].
*Heribert became Comte de Vermandois in 896.

4. [CUNEGUNDIS.
*Cunegundis was cited in a list of relations of comte Odo, son-in-law of Héribert I Comte de Vermandois, without any indication of how she may have been related to the family[576].]

5. [daughter . [m firstly BERENGER Comte [de Bayeux], son of --- (-13 Dec [892 or after]).
*The necrology of Le Mans Cathedral records the death "Id Dec" of "Beringerius comes"[577]. One way of reconciling the apparently contradictory sources which recount the origin of Poppa, wife of Rollo of Normandy, is that her mother married firstly Berengar Comte de Bayeux and secondly Guy Comte de Senlis. There is no proof that this is correct.]
*m [secondly] WIDO [Guy] Comte de Senlis , son of ---. [One possible child] [of second marriage]:

References:
*[560] Reginonis Chronicon 818, MGH SS I, p. 567.
*[561] Rösch, p. 86.
*[562] Nithard, Historiarum libri IV, ed. P. Lauer (Paris, 1926), cited in Settipani, C. and Kerrebrouck, P. van (1993) La préhistoire des Capétiens 481-987, 1ère partie, Mérovingiens, Carolingiens et Robertiens (Villeneuve d'Ascq), p. 214.
*[563] Annales Bertiniani I 834.
*[564] Settipani, C. and Kerrebrouck, P. van (1993) La préhistoire des Capétiens 481-987, 1ère partie, Mérovingiens, Carolingiens et Robertiens (Villeneuve d'Ascq), p. 215.
*[565] Reginonis Chronicon 818, MGH SS I, p. 567.
*[566] Pocchetino, G. (1922), 'I Pipinidi in Italia (sec. VIII-XII)', Archivio storico Lombardo, 54 (1927), pp. 1-43, and Violante, C. (1974) 'Quelques caractéristiques des structures familiales en Lombardie, Emilie et Toscane aux XI et XII siècles', Famille et parenté dans l'Occident medieval (Rome), pp. 87-147, 128, both cited in Settipani (1993), p. 215.
*[567] Settipani (1993), p. 215 footnote 177.
*[568] Bourgeois, E. (1885) Le capitulaire de Kiersy-sur-Oise (Paris), p. 23.
*[569] Reginonis Chronicon 818, MGH SS I, p. 567.
*[570] Settipani (1993), p. 215.
*[571] D Karl 108, p. 172, headed "verunechtet" in the compilation.
*[572] Reginonis Chronicon 892, MGH SS I, p. 605.
*[573] Reginonis Chronicon 818, MGH SS I, p. 567.
*[574] Vita Hludowici Imperatoris, MGH SS II, p. 633.
*[575] Reginonis Chronicon 892, MGH SS I, p. 605.
*[576] Settipani (1993), p. 217.
*[577] Nécrologe du Mans, p. 329.

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From Mark H. Holmes' research on his family tree:

http://www.rpi.edu/~holmes/Hobbies/Genealogy/ps10/ps10_115.htm

Name: Pepin I de Senlis
*Birth: abt 842, Vermandois, Normandy, France
*Death: aft 28 Jan 893
*Father: Count Pepin de Vermandois (817-892)
*Mother: Rothaide

Misc. Notes
*Americans of Royal Descent* by Charles Browning, 7th edition, 1986. has, p. 2 (and elsewhere, with minor differences): " PEPIN DE SENLIS DE VALOIS, Count Berengarius, of Bretagne, father of: LADY POPPA DE VALOIS, who m. (his first wife) Rollo the Dane." [If the above is true, then Pepin was the father of POPPE OF BAYEUX and was the same person as BERENGER, COUNT OF BAYEUX.]
*From K.Werner's Die Nachkommen der Karl der Grosse, in volume IV, Karl der Grosee, ed W.Braunfels, 1965: Count in 877, he was present at Reims in 893 with [his brother] HERIBERT when CHARLES THE SIMPLE was crowned by Abp Fulk. [ed. comment by the poster of this information: Sometimes secondary sources call him Ct of Valois, I don't know why.]

References: [WallopFH],[RoyalAAF],[RFC]

Spouses: (blank)

Children:
*1. Pepin II (~876->922)
*2. Poppa (~872-932)

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(Ben M. Angel notes: Holmes' research appears to be based on secondary sources alone. The Medlands project speculates that his sister as being the mother of Poppa. The primary and secondary sources that are cited by FMG indicate that Pepin II, himself, was never married nor had children. The Valois reference probably comes from references to his father as being the Comte du Vexin as a result of marriage. The two counties appear to be frequently confused. The Vexin originated as a county that governed the Gaulic Véliocasses tribe. The Valois was a county based at Vez. The two were united in 1077 under the Capetians. The confusion between the Vexin and the Valois appears to be perpetuated in part by English Wikipedia entries that, although list sources, are not particularly well-cited.)

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http://genealogiequebec.info/en/testphp/info.php?no=24024

Pépin III Bérenger de Senlis, comte de Bayeux et Valois 2, 3, 4 (847 - 931)

He is also knowned under the name of Bérenger, comte de Bayeux 1.

He is the son of Pépin II, comte de Péronne 2, 3 and Rothaïde de Bobbio 2, 3.

He is maybe the son of Judicaël, comte de Rennes.

He is born circa 847 in Bayeux, 14, Normandie, France 3, 6. He marries Adalind de Bretagne 2. He marries Dame Gerberge de Rennes daughter of Gurvant de Rennes, duc de Bretagne and de Bretagne circa 875 4. Pépin III Bérenger de Senlis, comte de Bayeux et Valois est cité in 889 1. He dies in 931 3, 4, 7.

List of known children:
*+ 1. Bernard Ier de Senlis, comte de Valois (875 - 927) 2 (of Dame Gerberge de Rennes)
*+ 2. Poppa de Valois, duchesse de Normandie (880 - 912) 2, 3, 5 (of Dame Gerberge de Rennes)
*+ 3. Juhel Bérenger de Rennes, duc de Bretagne (885 - 970) 5 (of Dame Gerberge de Rennes)

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He was deprived of the throne of Italy by Emperor Louis, the Debonaire, and received a part of Vermandois and the Seigneuries of St. Quentin and Peronne.
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*Americans of Royal Descent* by Charles Browning, 7th edition, 1986. has, p. 2 (and elsewhere, with minor differences): " PEPIN DE SENLIS DE VALOIS, Count Berengarius, of Bretagne, father of: LADY POPPA DE VALOIS, who m. (his first wife) Rollo the Dane." [If the above is true, then Pepin was the father of POPPE OF BAYEUX and was the same person as BERENGER, COUNT OF BAYEUX.]

From K.Werner's Die Nachkommen der Karl der Grosse, in volume IV, Karl der Grosee, ed W.Braunfels, 1965: Count in 877, he was present at Reims in 893 with [his brother] HERIBERT when CHARLES THE SIMPLE was crowned by Abp Fulk. [ed. comment by the poster of this information: Sometimes secondary sources call him Ct of Valois, I don't know why.]

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Vermandois
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