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Données personnelles Guillaume (Guillaume "Talvas") "Talvas" de Bellêùe comte de Ponthieu et d'Alencon 

  • Noms alternatifs: Count of Alencon, Guy. d'Alençon, William III Talvas Baron William of Despencer
  • Le surnom est Talvas.
  • Il est né environ 1090Alencon
    France.
  • Il a été baptisé dans Count of, Ponthieu, Normandy, France.
  • Baptisé (à 8 ans ou plus tard) par l'autorité de la prêtrise de l'église SDJ dans SUBMITTED.
  • Alternative: Baptisé (à 8 ans ou plus tard) par l'autorité de la prêtrise de l'église SDJ le 24 avril 1937.
  • Alternative: Baptisé (à 8 ans ou plus tard) par l'autorité de la prêtrise de l'église SDJ le 24 avril 1937.
  • Alternative: Baptisé (à 8 ans ou plus tard) par l'autorité de la prêtrise de l'église SDJ le 24 avril 1937.
  • Alternative: Baptisé (à 8 ans ou plus tard) par l'autorité de la prêtrise de l'église SDJ le 24 avril 1937.
  • Alternative: Baptisé (à 8 ans ou plus tard) par l'autorité de la prêtrise de l'église SDJ le 24 avril 1937.
  • Alternative: Baptisé (à 8 ans ou plus tard) par l'autorité de la prêtrise de l'église SDJ le 14 avril 1992.
  • Professions:
    • Steward to Henry I of England.
    • unknown dans Count of Alencon and Ponthieu.
    • Stewart to Henry I of England.
    • Comte, de Ponthieu, d'Alençon, Sieur, de la Roche-sur-Yon.
    • seigneur de Montgomery in Normandy and Count of Ponthieu., Steward to Henry I of England.
  • Il est décédé le 30 juin 1171England.
  • Un enfant de Robert de Montgomery et Agnès d'Abbeville
  • Cette information a été mise à jour pour la dernière fois le 12 septembre 2020.

Famille de Guillaume (Guillaume "Talvas") "Talvas" de Bellêùe comte de Ponthieu et d'Alencon

Il est marié avec Hâelie de Bourgogne.

Ils se sont mariés en l'an 1115 à Europe.


Enfant(s):

  1. Guy de Ponthieu  1115-1147 


Notes par Guillaume (Guillaume "Talvas") "Talvas" de Bellêùe comte de Ponthieu et d'Alencon

GIVN Guillaume III Duke
SURN von Alencon
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Source #1: Frederick Lewis Weis, "Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America Before 1700" - Seventh Edition, with additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr., assisted by Davis Faris (Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co, 1995), pp. 101-102

Count of Alencon & Ponthieu.

Source #2: George Edward Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant or Dormant," New Edition, Revised and Much Enlarged, Edited by The Hon. Vicary Gibbs and H. A. Doubleday (London: The St. Catherine Press, 1926), Vol XI, pp. 375-377.
Name Suffix: Ct.Alencon&Pnth
[s2.FTW]

[Brøderbund WFT Vol. 2, Ed. 1, Tree #1241, Date of Import: May 8, 1997]

!COUNT OF PONTHIEU[Brøderbund WFT Vol. 2, Ed. 1, Tree #1241, Date of Import: May 8, 1997]

!COUNT OF PONTHIEU
William III of Ponthieu
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

William III of Ponthieu (ca. 1095 – 20 June 1172), son of Robert II of Bellême and Agnes of Ponthieu. He also called William III Talvas.

He assumed the countship of Ponthieu some time before 1111, upon the death of his mother. His father escaped capture at the battle of Tinchebrai (1106); but later, as envoy for king Louis of France, he went to the English court and was arrested by King Henry of England and was never released from prison. William was naturally driven by this to oppose king Henry, and his allegiance to count Geoffrey of Anjou caused Henry to seize certain of William's castles in Normandy. His wife was Ala of Burgundy. The Gesta Normannorum Ducum says that they had four children, two sons and two daughters: Guy II is called "the eldest son", but the editors doubt this; he assumed the county of Ponthieu during his father Talvas' lifetime, but preceeded him in death (Guy II died 1147; William Talvas died 1171); his sisters married Juhel son of Walter of Mayenne, and William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey.

[edit]
Source
The Gesta Normannorum Ducum of William of Jumièges, Orderic Vitalis, and Robert of Torigni, edited and translated by Elisabeth M. C. Van Houts, Clarendon Press, Oxford, 1995.

Preceded by:
Agnes Count of Ponthieu Succeeded by:
Guy II
CONFLICT: Chapman Family History, Beauchamp William Chapman, private publishing co., 1987 (states ADELA, dau. of William de TALVACE, their only dau.)

OCCUPATION: Count of Alencon and Ponthieu, son of Robert II (1035-1113), Count of Alencon, and Agnes, Countess of Ponthieu, dau. of Guy I, Count of Ponthieu, and a descendant of Hugh de Montgomery.
[BIGOD-Mel Morris,10Gen Anc.FTW]

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GIVN William Count of Alencon
SURN Talvace
NSFX **

GIVN William
SURN TALVACE
NSFX [Count of Alencon]
AFN 9FTF-W7
From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996.

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Rootsweb Feldman
URL: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:3044567&id=I27371
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# Name: William Talvas MONTGOMERY III 1 2
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# Birth: 1084 in Of, Elington, Lincolnshire, England 1 2
# Death: 29 JUN 1172 1 2
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OCCU Count of Ponthieu ...
SOUR Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W. Stuart, p. 181 says CIR 1090;
HAWKINS.GED says ABT 1090;www.public.asu.edu/bgertz/family says ABT 1084;
misc.traveller.com/genealogy/gedhtml/kmilburn/d0002/g0000008.htm#I2093 say1055
SOUR Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W. Stuart, p. 181 says 29 Jun 1172;
HAWKINS.GED says 30 Jun 1171;
misc.traveller.com/genealogy/gedhtml/kmilburn/d0002/g0000008.htm#I2093 say1172
SOUR Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W. Stuart
HAWKINS.GED
PAGE 108
QUAY 1
William Talvas Comet, Count of Alencon, Montreuil and Ponthieu; Alice was his
2nd wife - Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W. Stuart, p. 181

Count of Alencon and Ponthieu

Father: Robert II DE ALENCON b: ABT 1034 in Of, Perche, France
Mother: Agnes Countess Of PONTHIEU b: ABT 1050 in Normandy, France

Marriage 1 Alice Helia Countess of BURGUNDY b: ABT 1090 in Normandy, France

* Married: 1115 1 2

Children

1. Has Children Guy II Count Of PONTHIEU b: ABT 1090 in Of, Ponthieu, France
2. Has Children Adela DE TALVAS b: ABT 1110 in Of, Sussex, England
3. Has No Children Richard LE DESPENCER b: ABT 1120 in Of, Elington, Lincolnshire, England
4. Has Children Thurston DESPENCER b: ABT 1122 in London, Middlesex, england

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Text: Date of Import: Feb 6, 2004 [BIGOD-Mel Morris,10Gen Anc.FTW]

TITL Garner, Lorraine Ann "Lori"
PUBL P.O. Box 577, Bayview, ID 83803
Her sources included, but may not be limited to: Burke's Landed Gentry, Burke's Dormant & Extinct Peerage, Burke's Peerage of American Presidents, Debrett's Peerage, Oxford histories & "numerous
other reference works"
very good to excellent, although she has a tendency to follow Burke's
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TITL Garner, Lorraine Ann "Lori"
PUBL P.O. Box 577, Bayview, ID 83803
Her sources included, but may not be limited to: Burke's Landed Gentry, Burke's Dormant & Extinct Peerage, Burke's Peerage of American Presidents, Debrett's Peerage, Oxford histories & "numerous
other reference works"
very good to excellent, although she has a tendency to follow Burke's
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Hardcopy notes of Lori Garner Elmore.
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ALIA Guillaume Talvas de Ponthieu /Ct de Alenon/
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PLAC Comte de Alenon.
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PLAC Duc de Alenon, Comte de Ponthieu & Montreuil.
only son and heir, became Count of Ponthieu in succession to his father, probably between 4 March 1105/6, when William and his father Robert de Bellême confirmed to the abbey of Marmoutier all its possessions in all their land and in Ponthieu, and 1110 or 1111, when William alone, as Count of Ponthieu, made a gift to the abbey of Cluny. In June 1119 Henry I restored to him all his father's lands in Normandy. He resigned Ponthieu to his son Guy, in or after 1126, but before 17 October 1129, but retained the title of Count of Ponthieu. In 1135 Henry I confiscated his Norman lands, whereupon William joined Geoffrey Plantagenet, with whom he invaded Normandy after the death of Henry I.
He married Ela, widow of Bertrand, COUNT OF TOULOUSE, and daughter of Eudes BOREL, DUKE OF BURGUNDY, by Maud, sister of William TESTARD, COUNT OF BURGUNDY. He died 30 June 1171.] [Complete Peerage XI:697, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
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#Générale##Générale#Profession : Comte de Ponthieu et d'Alençon, Coseigneur deLaRoche.sur.Yon.

Ou Guillaume de Montgommery.
Relève le nom de Ponthieu, dont sa mère est héritière.
{geni:about_me} http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN FRANCE.htm

GUILLAUME [I] "Talvas" de Ponthieu, son of ROBERT de Montgommery "de Bellême" Sire d'Alençon, Comte de Ponthieu, Earl of Shrewsbury & his wife Agnès de Ponthieu (-30 Jun 1171). His parentage is given by Orderic Vitalis[870]. He succeeded his father [4 Mar 1106/1110][871] as Comte de Ponthieu. "Wilelmus comes Pontivi" confirmed the donation of the church of Saint-Léonard de Bellême to Marmoutier by charter dated to [1112/14][872]. Henry I King of England restored Comte Guillaume to his father's lands in Normandy in Jun 1119[873]. He resigned Ponthieu in [1126] in favour of his son Guy. "Gulielmus comes Pontivorum" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Sauveur-le-Vicomte for the souls of "his predecessors earl Roger and Mabel his wife, count Guy and Adda his wife, his father Robert de Belesmo and his mother Agnes and…Ela his wife and of their sons two of them called Robert and two William and two Enguerrand and Mabel his daughter" by charter dated 1127[874]. Robert of Torigny records that Henry II King of England granted "castrum Alenceium et Rocam Mabiriæ" to "Willermus Talavacius comes Sagiensis et filius eius Johannes et iterum Johannes nepos eius filius Guidonis primogeniti sui comitis Pontivi" in 1166[875]. Robert of Torigny records the death in 1171 of "Guillermus Talavercius comes Pontivi" and the succession of "Johannes nepos suus…ex Guidone primogenito suo"[876]. The Obituaire of Saint-Martin de Séez records the death 30 Jun of "Guillelmus Pontivorum comes"[877]. The necrology of the monastery of Ouche records the death "30 Jun" of "Willelmus comes Talevat"[878].

[m firstly ---. The name of Guillaume´s supposed first wife is not known. This first marriage is strongly suggested by the marriage date of Guillaume´s daughter Clémence. She is named in Jul 1128 with her son "Gaufrido primogenito" (see below). The addition of the word "primogenito" suggests that there was at least one other younger child at that date. This would place her marriage in late 1125 at the very latest. It is extremely unlikely, therefore, that she could have born from Guillaume´s marriage to Hélie de Bourgogne, the death of whose first husband is recorded in late Apr 1112. The other indication is the unlikelihood that Hélie de Bourgogne could have had eleven children by her second husband, considering her own estimated birth date.]

m [secondly] ([late 1112/1115]) as her second husband, HELIE de Bourgogne, widow of BERTRAND de Toulouse Count of Tripoli, daughter of EUDES I Duke of Burgundy [Capet] & his wife Sibylle de Bourgogne [Comté] ([1080]-28 Feb 1141). She is named by Orderic Vitalis, who also records her parentage, her two marriages and the names of her eldest sons by each marriage[879]. "Gulielmus comes Pontivorum" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Sauveur-le-Vicomte for the souls of "…Ela his wife…" by charter dated 1127[880]. "Guido comes Pontivi" donated property to Cîteaux with the consent of "pater eius Willelmus comes…et mater eius Hela" by charter dated 18 Dec 1139[881]. "Wido comes Pontivii" confirmed freedoms over his lands, with the consent of "patris mei Willermi et domine Ele matris mee, fratris mei Johannis et uxoris mee Ide et filii mei Johannis" by undated charter[882].

Comte Guillaume [I] & his [first] wife had [two] children:

1. CLEMENCE de Ponthieu (-30 Nov before 1189). Guillaume de Jumièges records that an unnamed daughter of Guillaume Talvas married "Joel fils de Gauthier de Mayenne"[883]. "Juhello principe Meduane et uxore eius Clementia et filio eorum Gaufrido primogenito" subscribed a charter dated 12 and 26 Jul 1128, under which property was restored to the abbey of Mont-Saint-Michel[884]. m (before [1126]) JUHEL Sire de Mayenne, son of GAUTHIER Seigneur de Mayenne & his wife Aline --- (-23 Dec 1161, bur Evroux).

2. MABILE de Ponthieu . "Gulielmus comes Pontivorum" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Sauveur-le-Vicomte for the souls of "Ela his wife and of their sons two of them called Robert and two William and two Enguerrand and Mabel his daughter" by charter dated 1127[885]. If this translation is accurate, the wording suggests that Mabile was not the daughter of Guillaume´s known wife Hélie.

3. PHILIPPA de Ponthieu (-before 1149, bur Abbaye de Saint-Martin de Sées). The primary source which confirms her parentage has not yet been identified. It is suggested that she may have been born from her father´s supposed first marriage only to reduce the number of children attributed to his wife Hélie, whose age suggests that she could not have been the mother of ten children.

Comte Guillaume [I] & his wife had nine children:

4. GUY [II] de Ponthieu (-Ephesus [25 Dec] 1147). His parentage is recorded by Orderic Vitalis[886]. He succeeded before 1129 as Comte de Ponthieu.

5. GUILLAUME de Ponthieu (-after 1166). "Gulielmus comes Pontivorum" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Sauveur-le-Vicomte for the souls of "Ela his wife and of their sons two of them called Robert and two William and two Enguerrand and Mabel his daughter" by charter dated 1127[887]. Comte d'Alençon 1166.

6. ROBERT de Ponthieu . "Gulielmus comes Pontivorum" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Sauveur-le-Vicomte for the souls of "Ela his wife and of their sons two of them called Robert and two William and two Enguerrand and Mabel his daughter" by charter dated 1127[888]. 1127.

7. ROBERT de Garennes (-1171 or after). "Gulielmus comes Pontivorum" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Sauveur-le-Vicomte for the souls of "Ela his wife and of their sons two of them called Robert and two William and two Enguerrand and Mabel his daughter" by charter dated 1127[889]. Monk before 1147.

8. GUILLAUME de Ponthieu . "Gulielmus comes Pontivorum" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Sauveur-le-Vicomte for the souls of "Ela his wife and of their sons two of them called Robert and two William and two Enguerrand and Mabel his daughter" by charter dated 1127[890].

9. ENGUERRAND de Ponthieu . "Gulielmus comes Pontivorum" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Sauveur-le-Vicomte for the souls of "Ela his wife and of their sons two of them called Robert and two William and two Enguerrand and Mabel his daughter" by charter dated 1127[891].

10. ENGUERRAND de Ponthieu . "Gulielmus comes Pontivorum" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Sauveur-le-Vicomte for the souls of "Ela his wife and of their sons two of them called Robert and two William and two Enguerrand and Mabel his daughter" by charter dated 1127[892].

11. JEAN de Ponthieu (-1191). "Wido comes Pontivii" confirmed freedoms over his lands, with the consent of "patris mei Willermi et domine Ele matris mee, fratris mei Johannis et uxoris mee Ide et filii mei Johannis" by undated charter[893]. He succeeded in 1141 as Comte d'Alençon. Robert of Torigny records that Henry II King of England granted "castrum Alenceium et Rocam Mabiriæ" to "Willermus Talavacius comes Sagiensis et filius eius Johannes et iterum Johannes nepos eius filius Guidonis primogeniti sui comitis Pontivi" in 1166[894]. Robert of Torigny records the death in 1171 of "Guillermus Talavercius comes Pontivi" and the succession of "Johannes comes filius eius" in the lands which he held from the English king "in Normannia et in Cenomannensi pago"[895].

12. ELA de Ponthieu (-10 Oct 1174). Guillaume de Jumièges records that an unnamed daughter of Guillaume Talvas married "Guillaume de Warenne comte de Surrey"[896]. The primary source which confirms her name has not yet been identified but, if it is correct, it suggests that she must have been born from Guillaume´s marriage to Hélie de Bourgogne. Her second marriage is confirmed by Robert of Torigny who refers to the wife of "comes Patricius" as "filia Guillermi comitis Pontivi, matre comitisse de Warenna"[897]. m firstly WILLIAM de Warenne Earl of Surrey, son of WILLIAM de Warenne Earl of Surrey & his wife Elisabeth de Vermandois [Capet] ([1119]-killed in battle Laodicea 19 Jan 1148). m secondly (1152 or before) as his second wife, PATRICK Earl of Salisbury, son of WALTER FitzEdward de Salisbury & his wife Maud de Chaources [Chaworth] (-killed in battle Poitou [7 Apr] 1168, bur Poitiers, Abbaye de Saint-Hilaire).

=----------------=

'''William III, Count of Ponthieu'''
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_III,_Count_of_Ponthieu
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

William III of Ponthieu (c. 1093[1] – 1172) also called William (II; III) Talvas.[a] He was seigneur de Montgomery in Normandy and Count of Ponthieu.

===Life===

William was '''son of Robert II of Bellême and Agnes of Ponthieu'''.[2][3][4] He succeeded his father as count of Ponthieu some time between 1105 and 1111,[2] when he alone as count made a gift to the abbey of Cluny.[3] His father Robert de Bellême had turned against Henry I on several occasions, had escaped capture at the battle of Tinchebrai in 1106 commanding Duke Robert's rear guard and later, while serving as envoy for King Louis of France, he was arrested by Henry I and imprisoned for life.[5] William was naturally driven by this to oppose King Henry. In June of 1119, however, Henry I restored all his father's lands in Normandy. Sometime prior to 1126, William resigned the county of Ponthieu to his son Guy but retained the title of count.[3] In 1135 Henry I again confiscated all his Norman lands to which William responded by joining count Geoffrey of Anjou in his invasion of Normandy after Henry I's death[3]

===Family===

His married, abt. 1115, '''Helie of Burgundy''', daughter of Eudes I, Duke of Burgundy.[2][6] The Gesta Normannorum Ducum says that they had five children, three sons and two daughters. Europäische Stammtafeln, however, shows eleven.[2] The five both agree on are:

* Guy II. He assumed the county of Ponthieu during his father Talvas' lifetime, but died in 1147 predeceasing his father.[2]
* William, Count of Alençon.[2]
* John I, Count of Alençon, married Beatrix d'Anjou, daughter of Elias II, Count of Maine and Philippa, daughter of Rotrou III, Count of Perche.[2]
* Clemence married (abt. 1189) Juhel, son of Walter of Mayenne.[2]
* Adela (aka Ela) married William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey.[2]

===References===

# ^ Kathleen Thompson, 'William Talvas, Count of Ponthieu, and the Politics of the Anglo-Norman Realm', England and Normandy in the Middle Ages, ed. David Bates, Ann Curry (Hambledon Press, London, 1994), p. 170
# ^ a b c d e f g h i Detlev Schwennicke, Europäische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, Neue Folge, Band III Teilband 4, Das Feudale Frankreich und Sien Einfluss auf des Mittelalters (Marburg, Germany: Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, 1989), Tafel 638
# ^ a b c d G. E. Cokayne, The Complete Peerage, Vol. XI (The St. Catherine Press, London, 1949) p. 697
# ^ K.S.B. Keats-Rohan, Domesday Descendants: A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166, Volume II Pipe Rolls to Cartae Baronum (Boydell & Brewer, UK & Rochester, NY, 2002), p. 310
# ^ G. E. Cokayne, The Complete Peerage, Vol. XI (The St. Catherine Press, London, 1949) pp. 693-4
# ^ DeBacker, D. M., Gathering Leaves , ( Lulu.com, 2008), 254.

===Additional References===

The Gesta Normannorum Ducum of William of Jumièges, Orderic Vitalis, and Robert of Torigni, edited and translated by Elisabeth M. C. Van Houts, Clarendon Press, Oxford, 1995.

===Notes===

^ Orderic Vitalis and Robert de Torigny both mentioned his nickname 'Talvas' but he is not known to have used it when granting or attesting his own charters,[G. E. Cokayne, The Complete Peerage, Vol. XI (The St. Catherine Press, London, 1949) p. 697 n. (a)] but in a notification by the monks of St. Michel he was styled Willelmus Tallevat comes Pontivi. [Calendar of Documents Preserved in France, ed. J. Horace Round (Eyre and Spottiswoode, 1899), no. 737]

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'''Guillaume Ier de Ponthieu'''
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillaume_Ier_de_Ponthieu

Guillaume Ier de Ponthieu, dit Talvas († 1171) fut comte de Ponthieu de 1110 à 1126, sire d'Alençon et de Sées (sous le nom de Guillaume III) de 1119 à 1171. Il était fils de Robert II de Bellême, sire d'Alençon, vicomte d'Hiémois, seigneur de Bellême et comte de Shrewsbury, et d'Agnès, comtesse de Ponthieu.

Son père était un noble anglo-normand qui, bien que fidèle de Guillaume le Conquérant, chercha à devenir indépendant à la mort de ce dernier et se révolta fréquemment contre les fils de Guillaume. Henri Ier Beauclerc finit par lui confisquer ses terres anglaises en 1102 et par l'emprisonner en 1112. Robert de Bellême s'était montré cruel avec sa femme, au point que celle-ci s'enfuit, se réfugia à la cour de Blois, puis s'installa dans le Ponthieu. Elle y mourut entre 1106 et 1110 et Guillaume Talvas devint comte de Ponthieu. En 1119, Henri Beauclerc rend à Guillaume Talvas une partie des domaines confisqués à son père.

Pour se consacrer à ses affaires normandes, il confie le Ponthieu à son fils Guy en 1126. Dans le conflit qui oppose Henri d'Angleterre à Geoffroy Plantagenêt, comte d'Anjou, il choisit le comte d'Anjou, et Henri lui prend les châteaux d'Alençon et d'Argentan. Il profite de la mort du roi Henri Ier pour reprendre Alençon. La mort du roi annonce une guerre de succession entre Mathilde, fille du roi et épouse de Geoffroy Plantagenêt, et Étienne de Blois, neveu du roi. Alors que la plupart des seigneurs voisins se rallient à Étienne, Guillaume reste fidèle à Geoffroy et à Mathilde, et il doit se défendre contre Rotrou du Perche et Richard de l'Aigle. En 1147, il suit le roi Louis VII le Jeune lors de la deuxième croisade. À son retour, un litige l'oppose à Henri II Plantagenêt, le nouveau comte d'Anjou et duc de Normandie, et ce dernier lui reprend Alençon. Pour se venger, Guillaume dévaste la zone située entre le Perche et la Normandie.

Après avoir fondé plusieurs établissements religieux, dont l'abbaye de Perseigne, Guillaume Talvas meurt le 29 juin 1171.

===Mariage et enfants===

Il avait épousé vers 1115 '''Hélène de Bourgogne''' (v. 1080 † 1141), fille d'Eudes Ier, duc de Bourgogne, et de Sibylle de Bourgogne, et veuve de Bertrand de Toulouse. De ce mariage étaient nés :

* Guy II († 1147), comte de Ponthieu ;
* Guillaume, associé au gouvernement du comté d'Alençon, mais mort entre 1166 et 1171 ;
* Robert, cité en 1127 ;
* Enguerrand, cité en 1127 ;
* Mabille, citée en 1127 ;
* Jean Ier († 1191), comte d'Alençon ;
* Clémence († avant 1189), mariée à Juhel, seigneur de Mayenne ;
* Ela (ou Adélaïde, Hélène) de Ponthieu (v 1119 † 14 octobre 1174), mariée à Guillaume III de Warenne, comte de Surrey, puis à Patrick de Salisbury, (Patrick FitzWalter), fils de Gautier (Walter FitzEdward) de Salisbury.

===Sources===

* Les seigneurs de Bellême sur FranceBalade.
* Guillaume de Ponthieu sur la Foundation for Medieval Genealogy.

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William Talvas, count of Ponthieu
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Robert de Bellême (c. 1056– after 1130), seigneur de Bellême (or Belèsme), seigneur de Montgomery, viscount of the Hiémois, 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury and Count of Ponthieu, was an Anglo-Norman nobleman, and one of the most prominent figures in the competition for the succession to England and Normandy...

Robert was the '''oldest surviving son of Roger of Montgomery, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury and Mabel de Bellême''', born probably between 1052 and 1056...

'''Robert married Agnes of Ponthieu''', before 9 Sep 1087, and they had one child:[49]
* '''William III of Ponthieu,''' who via his mother inherited the county of Ponthieu.[23]...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_of_Bell%C3%AAme

'''Agnes, Countess of Ponthieu''' - - Agnes of Ponthieu (c. 1080 – aft. 1105) '''was the daughter of Count Guy I of Ponthieu'''. Enguerrand, the son of Count Guy, died at a youthful age. Guy then made his brother Hugh heir presumptive, but he also died before Guy (died 1100). Agnes became count Guy's heiress, and was married to''' Robert of Bellême.''' Their son William III of Ponthieu succeeded to the county of Ponthieu after the death of Agnes (between 1105 and 1111), and the imprisonment of his father in 1112.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnes_of_Ponthieu

William III of Ponthieu (c. 1093[1] – 1172) also called William (II; III) Talvas.[a] He was seigneur de Montgomery in Normandy and Count of Ponthieu.

Life[edit]

William '''was son of Robert II of Bellême and Agnes of Ponthieu'''.[2][3][4] He succeeded his father as count of Ponthieu some time between 1105 and 1111,[2] when he alone as count made a gift to the abbey of Cluny.[3] His father Robert de Bellême had turned against Henry I on several occasions, had escaped capture at the battle of Tinchebrai in 1106 commanding Duke Robert's rear guard and later, while serving as envoy for King Louis of France, he was arrested by Henry I and imprisoned for life.[5] William was naturally driven by this to oppose King Henry. In June of 1119, however, Henry I restored all his father's lands in Normandy. Sometime prior to 1126, William resigned the county of Ponthieu to his son Guy but retained the title of count.[3] In 1135 Henry I again confiscated all his Norman lands to which William responded by joining count Geoffrey of Anjou in his invasion of Normandy after Henry I's death[3]

Family[edit]

His married, abt. 1115, Helie of Burgundy, daughter of Eudes I, Duke of Burgundy.[2][6] The Gesta Normannorum Ducum says that they had five children, three sons and two daughters. Europäische Stammtafeln, however, shows eleven.[2] The five both agree on are:
* Guy II. He assumed the county of Ponthieu during his father Talvas' lifetime, but died in 1147 predeceasing his father.[2]
* William, Count of Alençon.[2]
* John I, Count of Alençon, married Beatrix d'Anjou, daughter of Elias II, Count of Maine and Philippa, daughter of Rotrou III, Count of Perche.[2]
* Clemence married (abt. 1189) Juhel, son of Walter of Mayenne.[2]
* Adela (aka Ela) married William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey.[2] She married, secondly, Patrick of Salisbury.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_III,_Count_of_Ponthieu

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William was son of Robert II of Bellême and Agnes of Ponthieu. He succeeded his father as count of Ponthieu some time between 1105 and 1111, when he alone as count made a gift to the abbey of Cluny. His father Robert de Bellême had turned against Henry I on several occasions, had escaped capture at the battle of Tinchebrai in 1106 commanding Duke Robert's rear guard and later, while serving as envoy for King Louis of France, he was arrested by Henry I and imprisoned for life. William was naturally driven by this to oppose King Henry. In June of 1119, however, Henry I restored all his father's lands in Normandy. Sometime prior to 1126, William resigned the county of Ponthieu to his son Guy but retained the title of count. In 1135 Henry I again confiscated all his Norman lands to which William responded by joining count Geoffrey of Anjou in his invasion of Normandy after Henry I's death.
William de Montgomerie "de Talvas," was Count of Ponthieu, Montgomerie,Belesme and Alencon, who placed himself at the head of the affairs of hishouse during his father's imprisonment in England. Uniting in himself hisfather's large possessions, with those of his mother's wealthy family, hewas one of the wealthiest vassals of the crown. William did not get hisinheritance without a struggle, for during his father's captivity theKing of France had ceded the County of Alencon to Thibault, Count ofBlois, who in turn had given it to his brother Stephen, Count of Mortain.The latter's tyrannical conduct aroused the Alencais against him andthey, with Arnulphy, William's uncle, with help of Fulke, Count of Anjou,finally conquered the city and castle and the Count of Anjou, by histreaty with Henry I, remitted it to the King in order that he shouldinvest William with it, which was done in 1119. In 1146 William took upthe cross for the Holy Land with his son Guy, one authority saying hefitted out an army for Palestine at his own expense. He died June 20,1172. His wife was Helen or Alice, daughter of Eudes, Count of Burgandy,by whom he had Guy, John, Adela or Hele or Ala, called de Talvas, whomarried William de Warren, Earl of Warren and 3rd Earl of Surrey. Theironly daughter and heiress, Isabel de Warren, married HamelinePlantagenet, natural brother of King Henry II.
Also known as Talvas le Despenser
William I and Telvas are another source other than Ancestral File.
"TALVAS" IS A NICKNAME, NOT A SURNAME
Ancestral File Number: 8Q7N-54
Line 1226 from GEDCOM File not recognizable or too long:
TITL [Count of Alencon]
Line 8658 from GEDCOM File not recognizable or too long:
NAME William Talvas /MONTGOMERY DESPENCER/
From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996.
COUNT OF POITHEU; COUNT OF ALENCON
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TITL [Count of Alencon]
William III of Ponthieu (c. 1095-20 June 1172), son of Robert II of Bellême and Agnes of Ponthieu. He is also called William (II; III) Talvas.

He assumed the county of Ponthieu some time before 1111, upon the death of his mother. His father escaped capture at the battle of Tinchebrai (1106); but later, as envoy for King Louis of France, he went to the English court and was arrested by King Henry of England and was never released from prison. William was naturally driven by this to oppose King Henry, and his allegiance to count Geoffrey of Anjou caused Henry to seize certain of William's castles in Normandy.

Family
His wife was Helie of Burgundy, daughter of Eudes I, Duke of Burgundy. The Gesta Normannorum Ducum says that they had five children, three sons and two daughters: Guy II is called "the eldest son", but the editors doubt this; he assumed the county of Ponthieu during his father Talvas' lifetime, but preceded him in death (Guy II died 1147; William Talvas died 1171); his daughters married Juhel, son of Walter of Mayenne, and William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey.

Source
The Gesta Normannorum Ducum of William of Jumièges, Orderic Vitalis, and Robert of Torigni, edited and translated by Elisabeth M. C. Van Houts, Clarendon Press, Oxford, 1995.

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Roger II "The Great" de Montgomery
1022-1090
Mabel 'l'Empoisonneuse' de Talvas
± 1026-1079
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Guy de Ponthieu
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Adila d'Amiens
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Agnès d'Abbeville
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Guillaume de Bellêùe
± 1090-1171

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1115

Hâelie de Bourgogne
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