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Données personnelles Guillaume Talvas "William Princeps" de Bellème et de Alençon Comte de Bellesme et Alencon 

• Le surnom est William Princeps.
• Il est né environ 970 dans Route de BellèmeBerd'Huis
  Basse-Normandie France.
• Titre: Count of Alencon
• Professions:
• Greve.
• Prince, de Bellême, Comte, du Perche, 997, d'Alençon, 1004, Sieur, de Saonnois.
• Il est décédé en l'an 1031 dans Domfront, Orne, Basse-Normandie, France.
• Il est enterré dans Notre-Dame-sur-, l'eau.
• Un enfant de Yves de Creil et Godehildis

Famille de Guillaume Talvas "William Princeps" de Bellème et de Alençon Comte de Bellesme et Alencon

Il est marié avec Mathilde de Condé-sur-Noireau.

Ils se sont mariés en l'an 991 à France.

Enfant(s):

1. Guillaume "Talvas" de Bellême  985-± 1055 

Notes par Guillaume Talvas "William Princeps" de Bellème et de Alençon Comte de Bellesme et Alencon

Source: University of Hull - Seigneur of Bellême & Alençon

Name Prefix: Count Name Suffix: I, Of Alençon-Beleme

Name Suffix: Sgr Saonois

Name Suffix: Sgr Saonois

sn de Bellême & Alençon

Greve av Bellèmes.
Vilhelm var herre av Alençon, greve av Bellèmes, Perche og Siez. Han hadde også
mange andre slott og var overhode for det mektige huset Bellème. Han hadde sterke borger i
byen Bellème, i Perche, Domfront, Alençon samt i Maine.
Etter farens død ga han til klosteret Notre Dame de Bellème. I tiden 1015-27 fikk han
bispedømmet Siez, eller herredømmet over dette, av hertug Richard II av Normandie. En
forfatter mener at han fikk slottet Alençon som lensgods av en av hertugene av Normandie.
Han var Robert ?le Diable?'s vasall, men viste tross og nektet lydighet. Robert dro da
med endel krigere mot Alençon og innesluttet borgen så tett at Vilhelm måtte overgi seg. På
bare ben, i skjorten og med sadel på ryggen, trådte han frem for hertugen. Denne tilga ham og
lot ham beholde byen. Vilhelms ydmyghet var dog ikke ærlig ment. Kort tid senere sendte han
to av sine sønner, Fulco og Robert, ut på et plyndringstog i Normandie. I skogene ved Blavou,
ikke langt fra Bellème, støtte de sammen med hertugens folk. Fulco ble drept, og Robert
unnslapp etter å ha mistet de fleste av sine folk. Vilhelm var da syk, og budskapet om
sønnenes skjebne nedslo ham helt slik at han døde.

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[Brøderbund WFT Vol. 2, Ed. 1, Tree #1241, Date of Import: May 8, 1997]

!SEIGNEUR DE BELLEME[Brøderbund WFT Vol. 2, Ed. 1, Tree #1241, Date of Import: May 8, 1997]

!SEIGNEUR DE BELLEME

He was Seigneur of Bellême and Alençon.

Comte de Bellême & d'Alencon, Seigneur de Saosnois and Domfront. He fought many battle with the Count of Maine to maintain his control of Saosnais. He married Mathilde [Maud] de Ganelon [Gonelon] (972-1033), of Conde-Sur-Noireau, in Calvados. His second wife was Adelais [?]. It is said he was named Talvas for the shield called a Talvas which he carried.He favored Duke Richard III of Normandy over his brother, Robert "the Devil." On the death of Richard Guillaume refused to accept Robert as his successor and rebelled. He was defeated and besieged in his caslte of Alencon. He was forced to beg for mercy, approaching the Duke with bare feet and a saddle on his shoulders. He later rebelled once more and his forces were destroyed at the Battle of Blavon. William died on 6 October 1027. He had five sons, Fulk [Foulques], who died at the battle of Blavon, Robert, Guillaume II, Yves, Bishops of Seez, and Guerin.

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(Research):Or William Talvas I. Also as William Talevas, Willelmus Talvacius. He profited from being the vassal of several competing lords. Comte de Bellême, as a fief of the King of France, Comte d'Alencon, as a fief of the Duke of Normandy, and Lord of the castle of Domfront, as a fief of the Count of Maine. Lord of Seez and Seigneur de Saosnois. Comte de Perche.
"High among these great houses, the third in rank among the original Norman nobility, stood the house of Belesme, whose present head was William, surnamed Talvas. The domains held by his family, partly of the Crown of France [including Belesme], partly of the Duchy of Normandy [valleys of the Orne and Sarthe], might almost put him on a level with princes rather than the ordinary nobles." - from "The History of the Norman Conquest of England: Its Causes and Its Results" by Edward Augustus Freeman
"He fought many battle with the Count of Maine to maintain his control of Saosnais. He married Mathilde [Maud] de Ganelon [Gonelon] (972-1033), of Conde-Sur-Noireau, in Calvados. His second wife was Adelais [?]. It is said he was named Talvas for the shield called a Talvas which he carried.
He favored Duke Richard III of Normandy over his brother, Robert "the Devil." On the death of Richard Guillaume refused to accept Robert as his successor and rebelled. He was defeated and besieged in his castle of Alencon. He was forced to beg for mercy, approaching the Duke with bare feet and a saddle on his shoulders. He later rebelled once more and his forces were destroyed at the Battle of Blavon. William died on 6 October 1027. He had six sons,
(-2) Fulk
(-2) Robert
(-2) Yves [Ivo], Bishop of Seez
(-2) Guillaume II, father of Mabel
(-2) Guerin [Warin/Warinus]
(-2) Benedict, a monk

Comte de Bellême & d'Alencon, Seigneur de Saosnois and Domfront. He fought many battle with the Count of Maine to maintain his control of Saosnais. He married Mathilde [Maud] de Ganelon [Gonelon] (972-1033), of Conde-Sur-Noireau, in Calvados. His second wife was Adelais [?]. It is said he was named Talvas for the shield called a Talvas which he carried.He favored Duke Richard III of Normandy over his brother, Robert "the Devil." On the death of Richard Guillaume refused to accept Robert as his successor and rebelled. He was defeated and besieged in his caslte of Alencon. He was forced to beg for mercy, approaching the Duke with bare feet and a saddle on his shoulders. He later rebelled once more and his forces were destroyed at the Battle of Blavon. William died on 6 October 1027. He had five sons, Fulk [Foulques], who died at the battle of Blavon, Robert, Guillaume II, Yves, Bishops of Seez, and Guerin.

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(Research):Or William Talvas I. Also as William Talevas, Willelmus Talvacius. He profited from being the vassal of several competing lords. Comte de Bellême, as a fief of the King of France, Comte d'Alencon, as a fief of the Duke of Normandy, and Lord of the castle of Domfront, as a fief of the Count of Maine. Lord of Seez and Seigneur de Saosnois. Comte de Perche.
"High among these great houses, the third in rank among the original Norman nobility, stood the house of Belesme, whose present head was William, surnamed Talvas. The domains held by his family, partly of the Crown of France [including Belesme], partly of the Duchy of Normandy [valleys of the Orne and Sarthe], might almost put him on a level with princes rather than the ordinary nobles." - from "The History of the Norman Conquest of England: Its Causes and Its Results" by Edward Augustus Freeman
"He fought many battle with the Count of Maine to maintain his control of Saosnais. He married Mathilde [Maud] de Ganelon [Gonelon] (972-1033), of Conde-Sur-Noireau, in Calvados. His second wife was Adelais [?]. It is said he was named Talvas for the shield called a Talvas which he carried.
He favored Duke Richard III of Normandy over his brother, Robert "the Devil." On the death of Richard Guillaume refused to accept Robert as his successor and rebelled. He was defeated and besieged in his castle of Alencon. He was forced to beg for mercy, approaching the Duke with bare feet and a saddle on his shoulders. He later rebelled once more and his forces were destroyed at the Battle of Blavon. William died on 6 October 1027. He had six sons,
(-2) Fulk
(-2) Robert
(-2) Yves [Ivo], Bishop of Seez
(-2) Guillaume II, father of Mabel
(-2) Guerin [Warin/Warinus]
(-2) Benedict, a monk

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ID: I575153044
Name: William De BELLEME
Given Name: William De
Surname: BELLEME
Sex: M
Birth: Abt 0966 in Of, Belleme, Perche, France
Change Date: 19 Mar 2003 1 1
Note: Ancestral File Number: V9V0-D8

Father: William BELLEME b: Abt 0979 in Of, , Normandy, France
Mother: Matilda GANELON b: Abt 0980 in Of, , Normandy, France

Marriage 1 Hildeburg UNKNOWN b: Abt 0970 in Of, , , France
Married: Abt 0991 in Of, , , France
Note: _UID88984EC148A56A42813AF32B5C1FCADCC2CA
Children
Yves De BELLEME b: Abt 0992 in Of, Belleme, Perche, France
Warin De DOMFRONT b: Abt 0994 in Of, Domfront, Normandy, France
Son De BELLEME b: Abt 0996 in Of, Belleme, Perche, France
Son De BELLEME b: Abt 0998 in Of, Belleme, Perche, France
William TALVAS b: Abt 1000 in Of, Belleme, Perche, France

Sources:
Author: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
Title: Ancestral File (R)
Publication: Copyright (c) 1987, June 1998, data as of 5 January 1998
Repository:

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ID: I575153050
Name: William BELLEME
Given Name: William
Surname: BELLEME
Sex: M
Birth: Abt 0979 in Of, , Normandy, France
Change Date: 19 Mar 2003 1 1
Note: Ancestral File Number: 18GK-5QR

Marriage 1 Matilda GANELON b: Abt 0980 in Of, , Normandy, France
Note: _UIDEC1E11201E144C4DA9ED3852072D757A49B5
Children
William De BELLEME b: Abt 0966 in Of, Belleme, Perche, France

Sources:
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Title: Ancestral File (R)
Publication: Copyright (c) 1987, June 1998, data as of 5 January 1998
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Guillaume d'Alencon, prince de Belleme (vers 965 - 1028) (Gen. 31,32,33)
En 997 au plus tôt, Guillaume I succède à son père.
Il oblige Herbert Eveille-Chien à évacuer le Sonnois dont ce prince voulait s'emparer , joint à la seigneurie de Bellême le comté du Perche, et reçoit de Richard II, duc de Normandie, le château d'Alençon avec ses dépendances; il fait bâtir celui de Domfront, cède à la Collégiale établie par son père l'église de Louzes avec des terres situées près de la forêt de Perseigne, et fonde, vers 1025, l'abbaye de Lonlay. ( Bry )..
Fouques et Robert, deux de ses fils, qu'il avait envoyés à la tête d'une armée faire le dégât sur les terres de Normandie et du Maine, sont défaits dans un combat près de Blavon, que les uns croient être Ballon, et les autres Blèves. Le premier y périt, le second dangereusement blessé devient prisonnier.
En apprenant cette nouvelle, le père meurt de chagrin en l'an 1028.
Guillaume était envieux et sanguinaire; il eut encore de Mathilde sa femme Varin ou Guérin qui obtint le comté du Perche; Yves et Guillaume.
Il épousa Mathilde de Condé-sur-Noireau (970 - 1033)
- Garin d'Alençon, seigneur de Mortagne (vers 990-1026) (Gen. 31,32)
- Guillaume 1er Talvas, seigneur d'Alençon (vers 995 -après 1030) (Gen. 30)

#Générale##Générale#Profession : Prince de Belleme, Comte d'Alençon & du Perche.
Attesté en 997. Il fit construire le château de Domfront.

#Générale#construit Domfront
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note couple : #Générale#s:ds03.636

note couple : #Générale#s:ds03.636

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GUILLAUME [I] de Bellême, son of IVES de Creil Seigneur de Bellême & his wife Godehildis --- (-[1031]). Guillaume de Jumièges records that "Guillaume de Belesme, fils d'Yves, qui tenait le château d'Alençon à titre de bénéfice" rebelled against Robert II Duke of Normandy, commenting that he was "infiniment cruel et ambitieux", dying soon after the defeat of his sons Foulques and Robert[98]. [1000]. Sire d'Alençon. "Ivo" founded Notre-Dame de Bellême, for the souls of himself "conjugisque mee Godehildis, sive filiis meis vel genitoribus meis", by undated charter, confirmed after his death by "Willelmus et Godehildis mater mea"[99]. He founded the abbey of Dame-Marie [1023/26][100]. Europäische Stammtafeln[101] inserts an additional generation between "Guillaume de Belesme, fils d'Yves" and the four brothers who are reported by Guillaume de Jumièges as his sons: "Guillaume [I] "Talvas" "princeps" de Bellême, Sire d'Alençon, 1004-1013 iuvenis, erbaut Domfront, gründet um 1020 abbaye de Lonlay (-Domfront [1031], bur Notre-Dame-sur-l'Eau" recording his wife as "Mathilde, [1020]". From a chronological point of view, this appears unlikely to be correct, especially if the two brothers Ives Bishop of Sées and Robert were sons of the older Guillaume as shown in the same table of Europäische Stammtafeln (see below). The primary sources on which this is based have not yet been identified, but until more information emerges it appears preferable to show this family as reported by Guillaume de Jumièges. La Chronique Manuscrite de Normandie records that Robert II Duke of Normandy granted Alençon to "à Belesme ung seigneur nommé Guillaume" who rebelled against the duke who besieged the castle and captured Guillaume[102].

m MATHILDE Dame de Condé-sur-Noireau, daughter of ---. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified. La Chronique Manuscrite de Normandie states that the mother of the sons of "à Belesme ung seigneur nommé Guillaume" was "Mehault du lignaige de Guennelon"[103].

Guillaume & his wife had five children:

1. WARINUS [Guérin] de Bellême (-murdered 1026). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Guérin, Foulques, Robert et Guillaume" as the four sons of "Guillaume de Belesme, fils d'Yves", commenting that they were perfectly similar to their father in character and recording that Guérin was strangled by the devil before the eyes of his companions[104]. Seigneur de Domfront. m ---. The name of Guérin's wife is not known. Guérin & his wife had one child:

a) ADELISE de Bellême . Her parentage is suggested by Orderic Vitalis who records that the great-grandfather of Rotrou [III] Comte du Perche was Guerin "quem dæmones suffocaverunt"[105]. 1060. m ROTROU [I] Vicomte de Châteaudun, son of GEOFFROY Vicomte de Châteaudun & his wife Helvis [Elisabeth] de Corbon (-1 Mar [1080]). Comte de Mortagne 1058.

Guérin had one illegitimate child by an unknown mistress:

b) RAOUL de Bellême (-after 28 May 1053). Yves Bishop of Sées confirmed the sale of the church of Courgains, with the consent of "fratre episcopi Willelmo, et Oliverio et Warino et Rodulfo episcopi nepotibus", by charter dated 28 May 1053[106]. A later charter of Abbé Avesgaud summarises the sale, stating that it was made with the consent of "episcopi Sagiensis, Ivonis nomine, et Willelmi fratris predicti Sagiensis episcopi…etiam Warino et Willelmo filiis Roberti, Olivario Willelmi filio, Radulfi filio Warini, et Seginfredo filio Willelmi de Bellisimo"[107].

2. FOULQUES de Bellême (-killed in battle forest of Blavon [1027/35], bur Notre-Dame de Bellême). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Guérin, Foulques, Robert et Guillaume" as the four sons of "Guillaume de Belesme, fils d'Yves", commenting that they were perfectly similar in character to their father. Their father sent his two sons Foulques and Robert to pillage Normandy but they were defeated in battle in the forest of Blavon where Foulques was killed[108].

3. ROBERT de Bellême (-murdered Château de Ballon [1031/35]). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Guérin, Foulques, Robert et Guillaume" as the four sons of "Guillaume de Belesme, fils d'Yves", commenting that they were perfectly similar in character to their father. Their father sent his two sons Foulques and Robert to pillage Normandy but they were defeated in battle in the forest of Blavon where Foulques was killed[109]. Sire de Bellême. Guillaume de Jumièges records that Robert "héritier du pouvoir et de la cruauté de Guillaume de Belesme" was captured by the men of Le Mans, imprisoned for two years in the château de Ballon, and murdered by the sons of Gauthier de Sordains in reprisal for the death of their father[110], dated to the early 1030s from the context of the passage. "Rotberti filii Wilelmi, Ivo suus avunculus" donated property to Notre-Dame de Bellême by undated charter[111]. Robert had two illegitimate children by an unknown mistress:

a) GUERIN (-after 1067). Yves Bishop of Sées confirmed the sale of the church of Courgains, with the consent of "fratre episcopi Willelmo, et Oliverio et Warino et Rodulfo episcopi nepotibus", by charter dated 28 May 1053[112]. A charter of Abbé Avesgaud summarises the sale, stating that it was made with the consent of "episcopi Sagiensis, Ivonis nomine, et Willelmi fratris predicti Sagiensis episcopi…etiam Warino et Willelmo filiis Roberti, Olivario Willelmi filio, Radulfi filio Warini, et Seginfredo filio Willelmi de Bellisimo"[113]. "Warino et Willelmus nepotibus Ivonis episcopi…" subscribed the charter dated 6 Dec 1067 which recorded that the church of Saint-Martin de Bellême was granted to Marmoutier[114].

b) GUILLAUME (-after 1067). A charter of Abbé Avesgaud summarises the sale, stating that it was made with the consent of "episcopi Sagiensis, Ivonis nomine, et Willelmi fratris predicti Sagiensis episcopi…etiam Warino et Willelmo filiis Roberti, Olivario Willelmi filio, Radulfi filio Warini, et Seginfredo filio Willelmi de Bellisimo"[115]. "Warino et Willelmus nepotibus Ivonis episcopi…" subscribed the charter dated 6 Dec 1067 which recorded that the church of Saint-Martin de Bellême was granted to Marmoutier[116].

4. GUILLAUME [II] "Talvas" de Bellême (-after [1050/54]). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Guérin, Foulques, Robert et Guillaume" as the four sons of "Guillaume de Belesme, fils d'Yves", commenting that they were perfectly similar to their father in character[117]. Guillaume de Jumièges records that Guillaume Talvas succeeded after the death of his brother Robert[118], commenting that he was "plus mauvais encore que tous ses frères". "Guillelmus de Belismo" founded the church of Saint-Léonard de Bellême by charter dated to [1023/27][119]. Sire d'Alençon. Guillaume de Jumièges records that Robert and Raoul avenged the mutilation of their brother Guillaume by devastating the lands of Guillaume [II] "Talvas" Sire d'Alençon[120]. "…Willelmus filius Guillelmi…" witnessed the charter dated to [1042] under which Guillaume II Duke of Normandy donated "nostras insulas Serc et Aurrene, propter medietatem Grenere" to the abbey of Mont-Saint-Michel, supported by "Rannulfo filio Anschitilli"[121]. Guillaume de Jumièges records his being sent into exile by his son Arnoul[122]. m firstly HILDEBURGE, daughter of ARNOUL & his wife ---. Guillaume de Jumièges names "Hildeburge fille d'Arnoul" as wife of Guillaume Talvas, recording that her husband had her strangled on her way to church[123]. m secondly --- de Beaumont, daughter of RAOUL [V] de Beaumont Vicomte du Maine & his first wife Emma de Montevrault Dame de Lude. Guillaume de Jumièges records that the second wife of Guillaume Talvas was the daughter of "Raoul vicomte de Beaumont" but does not name her[124]. Guillaume [II] & his first wife had two children:

a) ARNOUL de Bellême (-murdered). Guillaume de Jumièges names "Arnoul et Mabille" as children of Guillaume Talvas and Hildeburge, recording in a later passage his revolt against his father whom he forced into exile, and his being strangled in his bed[125].

b) MABILE (-murdered Bures 2 Dec 1079, bur 5 Dec 1079 Troarn). Guillaume de Jumièges names "Arnoul et Mabille" as children of Guillaume Talvas and Hildeburge[126]. According to Orderic Vitalis, Mabile was "a forceful and worldly woman, cunning, garrulous and extremely cruel"[127]. Guillaume de Jumièges records that her father arranged her marriage to "Roger de Montgomeri" after his exile[128]. "Rogerius comes…et sua uxor Mabilia atque suus filius Rotbertus" donated property to Notre-Dame de Bellême by charter dated to [1070/79][129]. She was murdered by Hugh Bunel, son of Robert "de Jalgeio" from whom she had taken his castle, who found her "relaxing in bed after a bath [and] struck off her head with his sword"[130]. "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased" by charter dated to [1079/82], subscribed by "Rogerii comitis, Rotberti filii eius, Hugonis, Rogerii, Philippi, Arnulfis [filiorum eius]"[131]. m ([1050/54]) ROGER [II] de Montgommery, son of ROGER [I] de Montgommery Seigneur de Montgommery and Vicomte de l'Hiémois & his wife Josceline --- (-Shrewsbury 27 Jul 1094, bur Shrewsbury Abbey). Sire d'Alençon. He was created Earl of Shrewsbury in 1074.

Guillaume [II] had one illegitimate child by an unknown mistress:

c) OLIVIER de Mesle (-after 28 May 1053). Guillaume de Jumièges names Oliver as brother of Arnoul, recording that he was suspected of murdering his brother and later became a monk at Bec[132]. It is assumed that he was illegitimate as the same source in another passage names the two children of Guillaume [II] by his first wife. Yves Bishop of Sées confirmed the sale of the church of Courgains, with the consent of "fratre episcopi Willelmo, et Oliverio et Warino et Rodulfo episcopi nepotibus", by charter dated 28 May 1053[133]. A later charter of Abbé Avesgaud summarises the sale, stating that it was made with the consent of "episcopi Sagiensis, Ivonis nomine, et Willelmi fratris predicti Sagiensis episcopi…etiam Warino et Willelmo filiis Roberti, Olivario Willelmi filio, Radulfi filio Warini, et Seginfredo filio Willelmi de Bellisimo"[134]. He left descendants known as "Oison"[135], but the primary source which confirms their existence has not yet been identified.

5. IVES de Bellême (-5 Apr 1070, bur Sées). Guillaume de Jumièges records that "Ives évêque de Seès" was paternal uncle of Arnoul, after whose murder he took possession of the château de Bellême. According to Europäische Stammtafeln[136], he was the son of Guillaume de Bellême, son of "Guillaume de Belesme, fils d'Yves", the table specifying that he was "Sagiensis episcopus Wilhelmi scilicet domini de Bellismo filius" and "avunculus Rodberti filii Guillelmi". From a chronological point of view, this appears unlikely to be correct. Bishop of Sées 1035. Guillaume de Jumièges also records that "Richard, Robert et Avesgot, fils de Guillaume surnommé Soreng" devastated the country around Seès and were besieged by Ives at the church of Saint-Gervais[137].

Guillaume [I] had one illegitimate son by an unknown mistress:

6. SIFRIDUS de Bellême . A charter of Abbé Avesgaud summarises the sale of the church of Courgains, stating that it was made with the consent of "episcopi Sagiensis, Ivonis nomine, et Willelmi fratris predicti Sagiensis episcopi…etiam Warino et Willelmo filiis Roberti, Olivario Willelmi filio, Radulfi filio Warini, et Seginfredo filio Willelmi de Bellisimo"[138]. Seigneur d'Escures, du Bouillon, de la Chapelle-près-Sées et de Congé.

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Generation One

1. COUNT FULK1 DE CORBONAIS was born between 827 and 983, and died between 887 and 1093. He married ROLAIS. [3]

Child: + 2 i. IVRES I2 DE BELESME, d. in 997; m. GODCHILDE.

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Generation Two

2. IVRES I2 DE BELESME (Fulk de CORBONAIS1), son of (1) Count Fulk1 and Rolais, was born between 887 and 983, and died in 997[3]. He married GODCHILDE. [3]

Child: + 3 i. COUNT GUILLAUME I3 DE ALENCON, d. in 1028; m. MAUD.

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Generation Three

3. COUNT GUILLAUME I3 DE ALENCON (Ivres I de BELESME2, Fulk de CORBONAIS1), son of (2) Ivres I2 and Godchilde BELESME, was born between 918 and 998, and died in 1028[3]. He married MAUD. [3]

Child: + 4 i. WILLIAM4 TALVAS, d. in 1070; m. HILDEBURGE.

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Generation Four

4. WILLIAM4 TALVAS (Guillaume I de ALENCON3, Ivres I de BELESME2, Fulk de CORBONAIS1), son of (3) Count Guillaume I3 and Maud, was born between 966 and 1012, and died in 1070[1]. He married HILDEBURGE. [3, 2]

Child: + 5 i. MABEL5 of Alencon, Eure, France, b. circa 1026, d. in 1079; m. (AAL-5) ROGER DE MONTGOMERY, EARL OF SHREWSBURY in 1048.

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GUILLAUME [I] de Bellême, son of IVES de Creil Seigneur de Bellême & his wife Godehildis --- (-[1031]). Guillaume de Jumièges records that "Guillaume de Belesme, fils d'Yves, qui tenait le château d'Alençon à titre de bénéfice" rebelled against Robert II Duke of Normandy, commenting that he was "infiniment cruel et ambitieux", dying soon after the defeat of his sons Foulques and Robert[98]. [1000]. Sire d'Alençon. "Ivo" founded Notre-Dame de Bellême, for the souls of himself "conjugisque mee Godehildis, sive filiis meis vel genitoribus meis", by undated charter, confirmed after his death by "Willelmus et Godehildis mater mea"[99]. He founded the abbey of Dame-Marie [1023/26][100]. Europäische Stammtafeln[101] inserts an additional generation between "Guillaume de Belesme, fils d'Yves" and the four brothers who are reported by Guillaume de Jumièges as his sons: "Guillaume [I] "Talvas" "princeps" de Bellême, Sire d'Alençon, 1004-1013 iuvenis, erbaut Domfront, gründet um 1020 abbaye de Lonlay (-Domfront [1031], bur Notre-Dame-sur-l'Eau" recording his wife as "Mathilde, [1020]". From a chronological point of view, this appears unlikely to be correct, especially if the two brothers Ives Bishop of Sées and Robert were sons of the older Guillaume as shown in the same table of Europäische Stammtafeln (see below). The primary sources on which this is based have not yet been identified, but until more information emerges it appears preferable to show this family as reported by Guillaume de Jumièges. La Chronique Manuscrite de Normandie records that Robert II Duke of Normandy granted Alençon to "à Belesme ung seigneur nommé Guillaume" who rebelled against the duke who besieged the castle and captured Guillaume[102].

m MATHILDE Dame de Condé-sur-Noireau, daughter of ---. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified. La Chronique Manuscrite de Normandie states that the mother of the sons of "à Belesme ung seigneur nommé Guillaume" was "Mehault du lignaige de Guennelon"[103].

Guillaume & his wife had five children:

1. WARINUS [Guérin] de Bellême (-murdered 1026). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Guérin, Foulques, Robert et Guillaume" as the four sons of "Guillaume de Belesme, fils d'Yves", commenting that they were perfectly similar to their father in character and recording that Guérin was strangled by the devil before the eyes of his companions[104]. Seigneur de Domfront. m ---. The name of Guérin's wife is not known. Guérin & his wife had one child:

a) ADELISE de Bellême . Her parentage is suggested by Orderic Vitalis who records that the great-grandfather of Rotrou [III] Comte du Perche was Guerin "quem dæmones suffocaverunt"[105]. 1060. m ROTROU [I] Vicomte de Châteaudun, son of GEOFFROY Vicomte de Châteaudun & his wife Helvis [Elisabeth] de Corbon (-1 Mar [1080]). Comte de Mortagne 1058.

Guérin had one illegitimate child by an unknown mistress:

b) RAOUL de Bellême (-after 28 May 1053). Yves Bishop of Sées confirmed the sale of the church of Courgains, with the consent of "fratre episcopi Willelmo, et Oliverio et Warino et Rodulfo episcopi nepotibus", by charter dated 28 May 1053[106]. A later charter of Abbé Avesgaud summarises the sale, stating that it was made with the consent of "episcopi Sagiensis, Ivonis nomine, et Willelmi fratris predicti Sagiensis episcopi…etiam Warino et Willelmo filiis Roberti, Olivario Willelmi filio, Radulfi filio Warini, et Seginfredo filio Willelmi de Bellisimo"[107].

2. FOULQUES de Bellême (-killed in battle forest of Blavon [1027/35], bur Notre-Dame de Bellême). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Guérin, Foulques, Robert et Guillaume" as the four sons of "Guillaume de Belesme, fils d'Yves", commenting that they were perfectly similar in character to their father. Their father sent his two sons Foulques and Robert to pillage Normandy but they were defeated in battle in the forest of Blavon where Foulques was killed[108].

3. ROBERT de Bellême (-murdered Château de Ballon [1031/35]). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Guérin, Foulques, Robert et Guillaume" as the four sons of "Guillaume de Belesme, fils d'Yves", commenting that they were perfectly similar in character to their father. Their father sent his two sons Foulques and Robert to pillage Normandy but they were defeated in battle in the forest of Blavon where Foulques was killed[109]. Sire de Bellême. Guillaume de Jumièges records that Robert "héritier du pouvoir et de la cruauté de Guillaume de Belesme" was captured by the men of Le Mans, imprisoned for two years in the château de Ballon, and murdered by the sons of Gauthier de Sordains in reprisal for the death of their father[110], dated to the early 1030s from the context of the passage. "Rotberti filii Wilelmi, Ivo suus avunculus" donated property to Notre-Dame de Bellême by undated charter[111]. Robert had two illegitimate children by an unknown mistress:

a) GUERIN (-after 1067). Yves Bishop of Sées confirmed the sale of the church of Courgains, with the consent of "fratre episcopi Willelmo, et Oliverio et Warino et Rodulfo episcopi nepotibus", by charter dated 28 May 1053[112]. A charter of Abbé Avesgaud summarises the sale, stating that it was made with the consent of "episcopi Sagiensis, Ivonis nomine, et Willelmi fratris predicti Sagiensis episcopi…etiam Warino et Willelmo filiis Roberti, Olivario Willelmi filio, Radulfi filio Warini, et Seginfredo filio Willelmi de Bellisimo"[113]. "Warino et Willelmus nepotibus Ivonis episcopi…" subscribed the charter dated 6 Dec 1067 which recorded that the church of Saint-Martin de Bellême was granted to Marmoutier[114].

b) GUILLAUME (-after 1067). A charter of Abbé Avesgaud summarises the sale, stating that it was made with the consent of "episcopi Sagiensis, Ivonis nomine, et Willelmi fratris predicti Sagiensis episcopi…etiam Warino et Willelmo filiis Roberti, Olivario Willelmi filio, Radulfi filio Warini, et Seginfredo filio Willelmi de Bellisimo"[115]. "Warino et Willelmus nepotibus Ivonis episcopi…" subscribed the charter dated 6 Dec 1067 which recorded that the church of Saint-Martin de Bellême was granted to Marmoutier[116].

4. GUILLAUME [II] "Talvas" de Bellême (-after [1050/54]). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Guérin, Foulques, Robert et Guillaume" as the four sons of "Guillaume de Belesme, fils d'Yves", commenting that they were perfectly similar to their father in character[117]. Guillaume de Jumièges records that Guillaume Talvas succeeded after the death of his brother Robert[118], commenting that he was "plus mauvais encore que tous ses frères". "Guillelmus de Belismo" founded the church of Saint-Léonard de Bellême by charter dated to [1023/27][119]. Sire d'Alençon. Guillaume de Jumièges records that Robert and Raoul avenged the mutilation of their brother Guillaume by devastating the lands of Guillaume [II] "Talvas" Sire d'Alençon[120]. "…Willelmus filius Guillelmi…" witnessed the charter dated to [1042] under which Guillaume II Duke of Normandy donated "nostras insulas Serc et Aurrene, propter medietatem Grenere" to the abbey of Mont-Saint-Michel, supported by "Rannulfo filio Anschitilli"[121]. Guillaume de Jumièges records his being sent into exile by his son Arnoul[122]. m firstly HILDEBURGE, daughter of ARNOUL & his wife ---. Guillaume de Jumièges names "Hildeburge fille d'Arnoul" as wife of Guillaume Talvas, recording that her husband had her strangled on her way to church[123]. m secondly --- de Beaumont, daughter of RAOUL [V] de Beaumont Vicomte du Maine & his first wife Emma de Montevrault Dame de Lude. Guillaume de Jumièges records that the second wife of Guillaume Talvas was the daughter of "Raoul vicomte de Beaumont" but does not name her[124]. Guillaume [II] & his first wife had two children:

a) ARNOUL de Bellême (-murdered). Guillaume de Jumièges names "Arnoul et Mabille" as children of Guillaume Talvas and Hildeburge, recording in a later passage his revolt against his father whom he forced into exile, and his being strangled in his bed[125].

b) MABILE (-murdered Bures 2 Dec 1079, bur 5 Dec 1079 Troarn). Guillaume de Jumièges names "Arnoul et Mabille" as children of Guillaume Talvas and Hildeburge[126]. According to Orderic Vitalis, Mabile was "a forceful and worldly woman, cunning, garrulous and extremely cruel"[127]. Guillaume de Jumièges records that her father arranged her marriage to "Roger de Montgomeri" after his exile[128]. "Rogerius comes…et sua uxor Mabilia atque suus filius Rotbertus" donated property to Notre-Dame de Bellême by charter dated to [1070/79][129]. She was murdered by Hugh Bunel, son of Robert "de Jalgeio" from whom she had taken his castle, who found her "relaxing in bed after a bath [and] struck off her head with his sword"[130]. "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased" by charter dated to [1079/82], subscribed by "Rogerii comitis, Rotberti filii eius, Hugonis, Rogerii, Philippi, Arnulfis [filiorum eius]"[131]. m ([1050/54]) ROGER [II] de Montgommery, son of ROGER [I] de Montgommery Seigneur de Montgommery and Vicomte de l'Hiémois & his wife Josceline --- (-Shrewsbury 27 Jul 1094, bur Shrewsbury Abbey). Sire d'Alençon. He was created Earl of Shrewsbury in 1074.

Guillaume [II] had one illegitimate child by an unknown mistress:

c) OLIVIER de Mesle (-after 28 May 1053). Guillaume de Jumièges names Oliver as brother of Arnoul, recording that he was suspected of murdering his brother and later became a monk at Bec[132]. It is assumed that he was illegitimate as the same source in another passage names the two children of Guillaume [II] by his first wife. Yves Bishop of Sées confirmed the sale of the church of Courgains, with the consent of "fratre episcopi Willelmo, et Oliverio et Warino et Rodulfo episcopi nepotibus", by charter dated 28 May 1053[133]. A later charter of Abbé Avesgaud summarises the sale, stating that it was made with the consent of "episcopi Sagiensis, Ivonis nomine, et Willelmi fratris predicti Sagiensis episcopi…etiam Warino et Willelmo filiis Roberti, Olivario Willelmi filio, Radulfi filio Warini, et Seginfredo filio Willelmi de Bellisimo"[134]. He left descendants known as "Oison"[135], but the primary source which confirms their existence has not yet been identified.

5. IVES de Bellême (-5 Apr 1070, bur Sées). Guillaume de Jumièges records that "Ives évêque de Seès" was paternal uncle of Arnoul, after whose murder he took possession of the château de Bellême. According to Europäische Stammtafeln[136], he was the son of Guillaume de Bellême, son of "Guillaume de Belesme, fils d'Yves", the table specifying that he was "Sagiensis episcopus Wilhelmi scilicet domini de Bellismo filius" and "avunculus Rodberti filii Guillelmi". From a chronological point of view, this appears unlikely to be correct. Bishop of Sées 1035. Guillaume de Jumièges also records that "Richard, Robert et Avesgot, fils de Guillaume surnommé Soreng" devastated the country around Seès and were besieged by Ives at the church of Saint-Gervais[137].

Guillaume [I] had one illegitimate son by an unknown mistress:

6. SIFRIDUS de Bellême . A charter of Abbé Avesgaud summarises the sale of the church of Courgains, stating that it was made with the consent of "episcopi Sagiensis, Ivonis nomine, et Willelmi fratris predicti Sagiensis episcopi…etiam Warino et Willelmo filiis Roberti, Olivario Willelmi filio, Radulfi filio Warini, et Seginfredo filio Willelmi de Bellisimo"[138]. Seigneur d'Escures, du Bouillon, de la Chapelle-près-Sées et de Congé.

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Generation One

1. COUNT FULK1 DE CORBONAIS was born between 827 and 983, and died between 887 and 1093. He married ROLAIS. [3]

Child: + 2 i. IVRES I2 DE BELESME, d. in 997; m. GODCHILDE.

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Generation Two

2. IVRES I2 DE BELESME (Fulk de CORBONAIS1), son of (1) Count Fulk1 and Rolais, was born between 887 and 983, and died in 997[3]. He married GODCHILDE. [3]

Child: + 3 i. COUNT GUILLAUME I3 DE ALENCON, d. in 1028; m. MAUD.

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Generation Three

3. COUNT GUILLAUME I3 DE ALENCON (Ivres I de BELESME2, Fulk de CORBONAIS1), son of (2) Ivres I2 and Godchilde BELESME, was born between 918 and 998, and died in 1028[3]. He married MAUD. [3]

Child: + 4 i. WILLIAM4 TALVAS, d. in 1070; m. HILDEBURGE.

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Generation Four

4. WILLIAM4 TALVAS (Guillaume I de ALENCON3, Ivres I de BELESME2, Fulk de CORBONAIS1), son of (3) Count Guillaume I3 and Maud, was born between 966 and 1012, and died in 1070[1]. He married HILDEBURGE. [3, 2]

Child: + 5 i. MABEL5 of Alencon, Eure, France, b. circa 1026, d. in 1079; m. (AAL-5) ROGER DE MONTGOMERY, EARL OF SHREWSBURY in 1048.

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Extract from "Records of the Ashe Family" by Waller Ashe (1876)
Ivres, Seigneur de Bellesme, and his wife Godehilde, flourished about 950. He died in 995. His son, Guillaume I, Compte de Bellesme and d'Alençon, succeeded in 995 and, in the year 1020, built the Chateau d'Essaye in Alençon (insert: the ruins of which can still be seen in the small town of Essai in Normandy). He conferred this Chateau, with its Seigneurie upon his second son, Mathelin de Bellesme, thereafter known as Mathelin d'Essaye, and the founder of the House of that name.

Extract from "Géographie du Perche et Chronologie de ses Comtés" by the Vicomte de Romanet (1890-1902)
Tableau de la Maison de Bellême, ou familles des premiers seigneurs de Bellême, Alençon, Château-Gontier, Château-Renaut, etc.
Guillaume Ier, seigneur de Bellême et d'Alençon, 997; d. 1028 et probablement du Sonnois; épouse Mahaut, dont:
(a) Guérin, seigneur de Domfront, dont:
(i) Adèle; épouse Rotrou II, comte de Mortangne, 1039; d. 1079.
(b) Robert, seigneur de Bellême et d'Alençon 1028, tué à Ballon 1033.
(c) Guillaume II - Talvas, seigneur de Bellême et d'Alençon, 1033; d. 1050; épouse Hildebourge, fille d'Arnoul B. N., fille de vicompte de Beaumont, dont:
(i) Robert; d. vers 1035.
(ii) Mabile, dame de Bellême et d'Alençon, 1070; d. 1082; épouse Roger de Montgommery, vte d'Exmes, 1048; d. 1094.

Extract from "Dictionnaire de la Noblesse: Tome II" by François-Alexandre Aubert de la Chesnaye des Bois (1771)
BELLEME & CHATEAU-GONTIER
1. Guillaume I, fils de Ives de Belleme, Comte de Belleme et d'Alençon, et Godechilde, eut de Mathilde, son épouse, trois fils:
1. Robert, Comte d'Alençon et de Belleme, surnommé Talvas, épousa une Dame nommée Hildeburge, de laquelle il eut:
1. Arnoul, mort jeune.
2. Mabille, Comtesse de Belleme, d'Alençon, et de Séez, femme de Roger, Seigneur de Montgommery.
Translation: Ives of Belleme, count of Belleme and Alençon, one of the biggest and the richest lords of his time, married a Lady named Godechilde, and had three sons and two daughters:
Guillaume I, son of Ives de Belleme, Comte de Belleme et d'Alençon, had, with Mathilde, his wife, three sons:
1. Robert, count of Alençon and of Belleme, died without issue.
2. Guillaume, de Belleme, surnamed Talvas, married a Lady named Hildeburge, by whom he had:
(a) Arnoul, died young.
(b) Mabille, countess de Belleme, of Alençon, and Séez, wife of Roger, lord of Montgommery.
3. Ives, Count of Belleme, Bishop of Séez.

Extract from "Dictionnaire Géographique, Historiques et Politique des Gaules et de la France: Tome Second" by M. L'Abbé Expilly (1764)
Revenons au bourg d'Essay. Le château de ce lieu étoit flanqué de bonnes tours, et défendu du côté du nord et du couchant, par un grand étang, d'où fort ub ruiffeau qui fait moudre un moulin. C'est vraisemblablement Guillaume de Bellesme I du nom, le plus anciens des Seigneurs de ce bourg, dont on ait connaissance, qui fit bâtir ce chateau au commencement du onzieme siecle.
Matselin, or Mathelin d'Essay, dont il est fait mention dans l'histoire du Perche, page 103, approuva avec Bertha sa femme et ses fils, pour dix livres mansais, la donation de soixante acres de terre labourable et de deux acres de pré, faite sous son fief, par Jean Burnet, à l'Abbaye de Saint Martin de Séez.
Translation: Let us return to the market town of Essay. The castle of this place was flanked by good towers, and defended on the north and west sides by a large pond, where a grinding mill operates. It is probably William de Bellesme I of the name, the most ancient of the Lords of this market town, of whom we know, that built this chateau at the beginning of the 11th century.
Matselin, or Mathelin d' Essay, of whom he is spoken in the history of Perche, page 103, approved with Bertha his wife and his sons, for ten books, the donation of sixty acres of arable land and two acres of meadow, made under his fief, by Jean Burnet, to the Abbey of Saint Martin of Séez.

Extract from "The Dukes of Normandy, from the time of Rollo to the Expulsion of King John by Philip Augustus of France" by Jonathan Duncan (1839)
Robert I, 6th Duke of Normandy, following the examples of his ancestors, convened the great vassals of his duchy, to do homage and fealty, and take the usual oath of fidelity. All obeyed this summons, with the exception of William de Bellesme, Earl of Alençon. The duke, highly indignant at this insult, invaded the territories of his refractory vassal, and besieged his capital: he was quickly reduced to submission, and compelled to solicit his pardon with the saddle of a horse on his back. After he had undergone this degrading punishment, the duke gave him back his province. But he only rewarded ingratitude; for the earl with his four sons, Guerin, Fulk, Robert, and William Talvas, soon found a pretext for ravaging Normandy. The Viscount of Cotentin marched against them, and curbed the audacity of these marauders. Fulk was slain on the field of battle; and Robert, severely wounded, escaped with difficulty from being made prisoner. When this intelligence reached the Earl of Alençon, broken down with age and infirmity, it so powerfully affected his feelings, that he sank under the weight of his misfortunes. He was succeeded by his son, Robert de Bellesme, who continued the war against Normandy; but he was soon captured and put to death in prison by the sons of Walter-de-Sardène, whose father he had strangled.

Extract from Find A Grave
Name: Guillaume De Belleme I
Birth: unknown in Alencon, France
Death: 1028 in Alencon, France
Notes: Son of Gordeschilda and Ives de Crail, Count of Belleme at Alencon, France. (then was Creil, Beauvoisie, Normandy). Guillaume I married Matilda. Father of Guillaume II.
Parents: Yves De Creil (____ - 997) and Gordeschilda De Belleme De Creil (930 - 1047)
Son: Guillaume II Talvas de Belleme (966 - 1048)
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William, Count of Alencon Talvis had one son. He died in 1031.

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110898172. Grev Wilhelm I av Belleme +(9630) died in 1028.(9631) He was a Herre in Alencon. (9632) He was a Greve in Belleme, Perche og Siez.(9633) Han hadde også mange andre slotter og var overhode for det mektige hus Belleme. Han hadde sterke borger i byen Belleme i Perche, Domfront, Alencon etc. samt i Maine. Han var Tobert "Le Diable"s vasall, men viste tross og nektet lydighet. Robert dro med endel krigere mot Alencon og innesluttet borgen så tett at Wilhelm måtte overgi seg. På bare ben, i skjorten, med sadel på ryggen, trådte han frem for hertugen. Denne tilga ham og lot ham beholde byen. Wilhelms ydmykhet var dog ikke ærlig ment. Ikke lenge etter sente han to av sine sønner Fulco og Robert ut på et plyndringstog i Normandie. I skogene ved Blavou (ikke langt fra Belleme) støtte han sammen med hartugens folk. Fulco ble drept, og Robert undlapp etter å ha mistet de fleste av sine folk. Wilhelm var da syk, og meddelelsen om sønnenes kjebne nedslo ham helt så at han døde.
Etter farens død ga Wilhelm til klostret Notre Dame de Belleme. I tiden 1+15-27 fikk han av hartug Richard II av Normandie erkebispedømmet Siez eller hertugdømmet over dete. En forfatter mener han hadde fått slottet Alecon som lensgods av hertugene av Normandie. He was married.

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