Genealogy Richard Remmé, The Hague, Netherlands » Sir Thomas ap Guillem (Gwyllyn) Herbert (± 1372-1438)

Données personnelles Sir Thomas ap Guillem (Gwyllyn) Herbert 

• Autre nom: Thomas ap Gwillim Herbert
• Il est né environ 1372 dans Werm, Monmouthshire, England.
• Il est décédé le 1 juillet 1438 dans Plas Yn-Y-Berth-Hir (Perth-Hir), Monmouthshire, Wales.Les sources 4, 5
• Il est enterré le 8 juillet 1438 dans Llansantffraed Church, Monmouthshire, Wales.
• Un enfant de William ap Jenkins (Guillem ap Jenken) Herbert et Gwenllian ferch Hywel Ichon
• Cette information a été mise à jour pour la dernière fois le 4 décembre 2022.

Famille de Sir Thomas ap Guillem (Gwyllyn) Herbert

(1) Il est marié avec Maud Morley.

Ils se sont mariés environ 1392 à 2nd wife.

Enfant(s):

1. William ap Thomas Herbert  ± 1401-1446 
2. Mawd verch Thomas   
3. Herbert ap Thomas  
4. Evan ap Thomas  ± 1393-1416 

(2) Il est marié avec Nn Nn.

Ils se sont mariés à 1st wife.

Notes par Sir Thomas ap Guillem (Gwyllyn) Herbert

REF / AFN / Custom: 1444 /  /
Name: Thomas ap Gwyllyn //
Sex: Male
Modify Date: 30 Apr 2004
Father: William ap Jenkins Herbert // [1446], (b. , ), (d. UNKNOWN, )
Marriage: Maud /MORLEY/, m.
Mother: Gwenllian ferch Howel Ichon // [1447], (b. , ), (d. UNKNOWN, )
Death: UNKNOWN
Son: Abt 1370, Sir William ap Thomas /HERBERT/ [1442], (b. Abt 1370, Rhaglan, Mon.), (d. 1446, Battle of Aginco?)
Burial: 8 Jul 1438

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Thomas ap Gwilym, of Perth-hir, Rickfield, Mon; married Mawd, daughter of Sir John Morley, of Llansanffraid, near Abergavenny, and died 1438. [Burke's Peerage]

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Copied from Herbert, George biography, 88.1911 encyclopedia.org/H/HERBERT_GEORGE.htm:

Thomas ap Gwilim Jenkin, called the fourth son, is ancestor of all those who bore the surname Herbert.

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The following material was copied from Jane William Flank, World Connect db=jwflank, rootsweb.com:
Note that there are conflicting statements, depending on the source, many of which have been discounted.

Pembroke 'wore the garter,' which required for eligibility 'a gentleman of blood,' defined by Beltz on page 84 of his "Order of the Garter" thus; 'He shall have three descents of noblesse, of name and arms, on his father's and on his mother's side.' Sir William Herbert, Lord of Ragland, Earl of Pembroke was third "descent" from the Master Sergeant of Abergavenny. It was when King Edward created Sir William an earl that the 'descent' from the Norman Conqueror was established. Sir William's father Gwillam ap Thomas ap Gwillam, had been knighted on the field of Agincourt, 1415, when he and two other Welsh archers saved Henry V's life. Accolade was bestowed on the spot. Later the Heralds had to give them English names. Why they went so far back for the name Herbert is explained by the fact that Herbert had become English while Thomas was still Welsh. When, in 1461, heralds questioned the about-to-be earl's right to the name Herbert, the king appointed a commission of wise men to decide the matter. At the end of the year they handed in a report written in four languages, Latin, British (Welsh), French, and English. It read: ". . . said honorable Earl is named William Herbert, son of Jenkin, son of Adam, son of Reginald, son of Peter, son of Herbert, son of Peter, son of Herbert, son of Herbert, a noble Lord descended of the blood of the Crown of England, for he was natural son of Henry I, son of William the Conqueror."

Sir S. Meyrick, authority on the Herbert family, says the heralds forged the lineage to please the king, but it is amusing. It is what heralds thought in 1461, and what Mr Jones of Tregaron shows on his chart made in 1592, and quoted by Nicholas in "Annals and Antiquities of the Counties and County-Founders of Wales." But in 1750 Collins says the Count of Vermandois' son married "Julian who had been the king's mistress." Old Welsh writers call Earl Pembroke "Gwillm Ddu, "Black William."

Nicholas say Thomas, youngest son of William ap Jenkin ap Adam, "made a great addition to his fortune by marriage to Maud, daughter of Sir John Morley, and that part of her dowry was Ragland Castle. Bradney says (vol 2, pt 2, p 3) that Thomas' son Gwillam, Sir William Herbert, bought it from his stepson, James, Lord Berkeley. The widow, Berkeley, Sir William's first wive, was Elizabeth, daughter of Sir John Bluett. Bradney says Ragland Castle was given to Bluett by a De Clare who built it. [Genealogies of Virginia Families III:110-111 ]

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