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Kind(eren):
Guigues Raymond, comte d'Albon
Guigues Raymond d'Albon
Gender:
Male
Birth:
circa 1071
Death:
circa 1096 (16-34)
Immediate Family:
Son of Guigues I 'le vieux', comte d'Albon and Inâ®s de Barcelone, comtesse consort d'Albon
Husband of Ide Raymonde, comtesse douairiâ®re de Forez
Father of Guigues d'Albon, II, Comte de Lyon et de Forez
Half brother of Adâ©laâØde d'Albon; Humbert d'Albon, bishop of Grenoble and Guigues II d'Albon, "Pinguis"
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Guigues Raymond, comte d'Albon is your 28th great grandfather.
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‰ ᆒ Henry Marvin Welborn
your father ·Üí Henry Marvin Welborn, Sr.
his father ·Üí Calhoun H. Welborn
his father ·Üí Younger Welborn, II
his father ·Üí William "Billy" Welborn
his father ·Üí Aaron W Welborn, Sr.
his father ·Üí James Welborn
his father ·Üí Ann Wellborn (Crabtree)
his mother ·Üí Jane Ann Pendleton Crabtree (Halstead)
her mother ·Üí Grace Halstead (Courtney)
her mother ·Üí Mary Courtenay (Stucley)
her mother ·Üí John Stucley, of Affeton
her father ·Üí Sir Lewis Stukley
his father ·Üí Frances Culpepper (St. Leger)
his mother ·Üí Catherine Saint Leger (Neville)
her mother ·Üí Sir George Neville, 5th and de jure 3rd Baron Bergavenny
her father ·Üí George Neville, 4th and de jure 2nd Baron Bergavenny
his father ·Üí Edward Neville, 3rd Baron of Bergavenny
his father ·Üí Joan Beaufort, Countess of Westmorland
his mother ·Üí John of Gaunt, 1st Duke of Lancaster, 1st Earl of Richmond
her father ·Üí Edward III, king of England
his father ·Üí Isabella of France, Queen consort of England
his mother ·Üí Jeanne I, Queen of Navarre
her mother ·Üí Henry I the Fat, king of Navarre
her father ·Üí Marguerite de Bourbon, reina de Navarra
his mother ·Üí Alix de Forez
her mother ·Üí Guigues "Branda" de Forez, III, Count of Forez
her father ·Üí Guigues de Forez, III, Comte de Lyon et de Forez
his father ·Üí Guigues d'Albon, II, Comte de Lyon et de Forez
his father ·Üí Guigues Raymond, comte d'Albon
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3. GUIGUES dit Raymond ([1074/75]-5 Dec after 1096). "Wigo Albionis comes" named "fratres mei Guigonis cognomento Raimundi, Richardi, Armannique" in his donation to Cluny dated 1079[200]. He is referred to, but not named, in the testament of "comitis BarchinoneဦRaimundi Berengarii" dated 12 Nov 1076 as residuary beneficiary of the county of Barcelona in case of the death of the testator's three children[201].
m (1085 or before) as her second husband, [ITA Raymonde] de Forez, [divorced wife] of [RENAUD [II] Comte de Nevers], daughter of ARTAUD [II] Comte de Forez et de Lyon & his wife Raymonde ---. The Origine et Historia Brevi Nivernensium Comitum records that "Guillelmus·Ä¶[filios]·Ä¶Renaldum" married firstly "filiam unicam [Artaldi] comitis Foratensis"[202]. La Mure·Äôs Histoire des Comtes de Forez states that "Guy-Raymond de Viennois" married "Ide-Raymonde de Forez, fille d·ÄôArtaud V·Ä¶comte de Lyon et de Forez et d·ÄôIde son â©pouse" and refers to the couple·Äôs donation of "quelques terres situâ©es au pays de Forez" to Cluny dated 1085, adding that the property in question was Ita·Äôs dowry[203]. La Mure does not quote the charter in question nor provide a precise source reference, apart from referring to Guichenon·Äôs Histoire de Savoie. This charter has not been found in the compilation of Cluny charters edited by Bernard and Bruel so presumably has since disappeared. It is not now therefore possible to state whether the charter explicitly confirms Ita Raymonde·Äôs affiliation, although on this point there appears no reason to doubt that La Mure had the document available when he was writing as his description of its contents is precise. Two difficulties remain. The first difficulty is the date of the supposed Cluny charter, as at that time Guigues would still have been a child (his estimated birth date appears robust). The second difficulty is that Ita must have been considerably older than her second husband, assuming that she was the same daughter who had previously married Renaud [II] Comte de Nevers, as she had a daughter by her first marriage. One possibility is that Artaud [II] Comte de Forez et de Lyon had two daughters, despite the Origine et Historia asserting that Comte Renaud·Äôs wife was "filiam unicam". It should be noted that no source has been identified which confirms that Guigues·Äôs wife had previously been the wife of Comte Renaud. If there was only one daughter, she must have been divorced from her first husband, although no source has been found which confirms that this is correct. It should be noted that La Mure asserts that Renaud [II] Comte de Nevers was Ita·Äôs second husband, married after the death of Guigues, but this appears difficult to reconcile with the chronology of the different families with which she was connected.
Guigues & his wife had one child:
GUIGUES [III] "Vetus/Vieux", son of GUIGUES [II] & his wife [Gotelene ---] ([995/1000]-Cluny 22 Apr [1074/75]).¬â "Rodolfus rex" jointly with "Agiltrude regina coniuge nostra nec non archiepiscopo Burchardo fratre nostro et comitibus Rodulpho et Uberto" gave the castle of Moras to "Umberto episcopo eiusque matri domine Freburgie et nepotibus eius, Wigonis bone memorie filiis, Umberto Wigoni Willelmo" by charter dated 6 Jun 1009[177].¬â His birth date range, estimated consistent with the birth date ranges which are estimated for the other members of this family, means that Guigues was probably still a child at the date of this charter.¬â "·Ä¶Wigonis et Umberti filiorum fratris eius·Ä¶" signed the charter dated 1012 under which "Umbertus Grationopolensis ecclesiⶠprâ¶sul" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Chaffre[178].¬â Comte d·ÄôAlbon.¬â "Wigo comes filius Gotelenne" donated "ecclesiam de Visilia" to Cluny by undated charter, subscribed by "Wigonis filii sui, Ainardi de Domena, duobus de fratribus suis Attanulfi Wigonis, Bermundi de Aurel, Humberti nepotis sui"[179].¬â This charter is dated to [1090] in the compilation of Cluny charters.¬â The document refers to Hugues abbot of Cluny, who is named in documents between 1048 and 1090.¬â If [1090] is the correct date, it would have been signed towards the end of the lives of all three of the Domâ®ne brothers who subscribed the document: they are named in charters for Domâ®ne between [1027] and [1085][180].¬â It is therefore possible that the document dates from earlier in the abbacy of Hugues, in which case the donor could be Guigues [III] "Vetus".¬â If this was correct, it would also resolve the problem of the identity of Gotelene.¬â Chorier·Äôs Histoire de Dauphinâ© suggests that "Gotelenne" was a corruption derived from the word "Catalonia" and therefore that this charter refers to Guigues [III]·Äôs son by Ines de Barcelona[181].¬â This seems an unlikely explanation as the name "Catalonia" has not been observed in contemporary charters to describe Barcelona and adjacent counties collectively (see the document CATALONIA).¬â A charter dated 29 Apr 1050 records the donation by "Guigoni·Ä¶maiori, qui postea effectus est monachus·Ä¶et Adelai comitissâ¶, et alii Guigoni, filio illius Guigonis·Ä¶et uxori eius Petronillâ¶" to Saint-Pierre de Vienne[182].¬â "·Ä¶Guigo comes et filius eius Guigo·Ä¶" witnessed the charter dated 27 Jan 1052 which records an agreement between the archbishop of Vienne and the canons of the church of Romans[183].¬â "Vuigo comes" donated property "in parrochia Heroneii" to Domâ®ne by undated charter which names "dominus Hugo Prior de Domina" (whose priorship is dated to [1058] to [1072], indicating that the donor was Guigues [III] "Vetus")[184].¬â "Guigo comes qui nomine vocor senex atque filius meus Guigo pinguis" donated property to Oulx by charter dated 1063[185].¬â ·ÄúWigo·Äù (signed ·ÄúWigonis comitis·Äù) granted ·Äúsponse mee·Ä¶Agnetis·Äù various properties ·Äúin dotalitio·Äù, including ·Äúcastellum Albionem·Ä¶Moratum·Ä¶et Vallem·Ä¶in comitatu Viennensis·Äù by charter dated ·ÄúVI Id Mai, luna XXma VIa regnante Henrico rege·Äù, subscribed by ·ÄúPontii episcopi·Äù[186], the date corresponding to the year 1070.¬â He became a monk at Cluny.¬â The necrology of the Priory of Saint-Martin-des-Champs records the death "X Kal Mai" of "Wigo comes"[187].¬â The necrology of the priory of Saint-Robert records the death "X Kal Mai" of "Guigo comes qui cognominatus est Vetus"[188].¬â No document has yet been found which identifies the year of his death.¬â However, considering the date of his second marriage, and the birth of his son by his second wife, it is likely that he died in [1074/75].¬â He was dead by 12 Nov 1076, the date of the testament of his father-in-law Ramon Berenguer Comte de Barcelona which provides for the reversion of the testator·Äôs county to "filium Guigonis de Albion quem habuit de filia sua Agnes" in case of extinction of his descendants in the male line[189].¬â This wording implies that both Ines and Guigues were deceased at the time.¬â Prudhomme distinguishes two individuals in place of "Guigues [III]"[190].¬â He states that the older Guigues died in 1034, married "Gotelenne", and that his son was the second person, Guigues "Vetus".¬â He cites no primary source in support of his theory, in particular no document which indicates that one of the counts Guigues died in 1034.¬â The division of this person into two seems unnecessary to explain the primary sources.¬â The family relationships shown in this document leave no primary source reference unexplained.¬â In any case, it seems appropriate that Guigues "Vetus" should be identified with Guigues [III] as he would have well merited his nickname, assuming that his birth date is correctly estimated as shown above.¬â
m firstly ADELSINDIS, daughter of --- (-after 29 Apr 1050).¬â "Malleni episcopi Gratianopolitani et Wigonis comitis et uxoris eius Adelsendis, filiorumque suorum Umberti et Wigonis" signed a charter dated 26 Aug 1035 relating to the donation of four churches in Vico to the abbey of Saint-Chaffre[191].¬â According to Europâ§ische Stammtafeln[192], the first wife of Guigues [III] was "Gotelana de Clâ©rieux".¬â It appears that this hypothesis must be based on the charter dated [1090] under which "Wigo comes filius Gotelenne" donated property to Cluny[193].¬â However, as noted above, a better interpretation of the documentation is that "Gotelenne" was the mother of Guigues [III] not his wife.¬â A charter dated 29 Apr 1050 records the donation by "Guigoni·Ä¶maiori, qui postea effectus est monachus·Ä¶et Adelai comitissâ¶, et alii Guigoni, filio illius Guigonis·Ä¶et uxori eius Petronillâ¶" to Saint-Pierre de Vienne[194].¬â
m secondly (10 May 1070) INES de Barcelona, daughter of RAMON BERENGUER I "el Viejo" Comte de Barcelona & his third wife Almodis de la Marche ([1055/56]-[before 12 Nov 1076]).‰ လWigoဝ (signed လWigonis comitisဝ) granted လsponse meeဦAgnetisဝ various properties လin dotalitioဝ, including လcastellum AlbionemဦMoratumဦet Vallemဦin comitatu Viennensisဝ by charter dated လVI Id Mai, luna XXma VIa regnante Henrico regeဝ, subscribed by လPontii episcopiဝ[195], the date corresponding to the year 1070.‰ Her parentage is confirmed by the publication of the testament of "comitis BarchinoneဦRaimundi Berengarii" dated 12 Nov 1076 includes a residuary provision that, in case of the death of his three other children, his counties would revert to "filium Guigonis de Albion quem habuit de filia sua Agnes"[196].‰ The wording of the testament implies that both Ines and her husband were deceased at the time.‰
Guigues [III] & his first wife had two children:
1.‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ HUMBERT ([1025/30]-[1080]).‰ "Malleni episcopi Gratianopolitani et Wigonis comitis et uxoris eius Adelsendis, filiorumque suorum Umberti et Wigonis" signed a charter dated 26 Aug 1035 relating to the donation of four churches in Vico to the abbey of Saint-Chaffre[197].‰ His birth date range is estimated consistent with the birth date ranges estimated for the other members of this family.‰ Bishop of Grenoble .‰
2.‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ GUIGUES [IV] "Pinguis" ([1025/30]-19 Jan [1106], bur Priory of Saint-Robert).‰ A charter dated to [1100] relates details of a dispute between the bishop and counts of Albon which names "Guigo Vetus, pater Guigonis CrassusဦGuigoni comiti, filio Guigonis Crassis"[198].‰ "Malleni episcope Gratianopolitani et Wigonis comitis et uxoris eius Adelsendis, filiorumque suorum Umberti et Wigonis" signed a charter dated 26 Aug 1035 relating to the donation of four churches in Vico to the abbey of Saint-Chaffre[199].‰ Comte d'Albon.‰
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Guigues [III] & his second wife had one child:
3.¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â GUIGUES dit Raymond ([1074/75]-5 Dec after 1096).¬â "Wigo Albionis comes" named "fratres mei Guigonis cognomento Raimundi, Richardi, Armannique" in his donation to Cluny dated 1079[200].¬â He is referred to, but not named, in the testament of "comitis Barchinone·Ä¶Raimundi Berengarii" dated 12 Nov 1076 as residuary beneficiary of the county of Barcelona in case of the death of the testator's three children[201].¬â m (1085 or before) as her second husband, [ITA Raymonde] de Forez, [divorced wife] of [RENAUD [II] Comte de Nevers], daughter of ARTAUD [II] Comte de Forez et de Lyon & his wife Raymonde ---.¬â The Origine et Historia Brevi Nivernensium Comitum records that "Guillelmus·Ä¶[filios]·Ä¶Renaldum" married firstly "filiam unicam [Artaldi] comitis Foratensis"[202].¬â La Mure·Äôs Histoire des Comtes de Forez states that "Guy-Raymond de Viennois" married "Ide-Raymonde de Forez, fille d·ÄôArtaud V·Ä¶comte de Lyon et de Forez et d·ÄôIde son â©pouse" and refers to the couple·Äôs donation of "quelques terres situâ©es au pays de Forez" to Cluny dated 1085, adding that the property in question was Ita·Äôs dowry[203].¬â La Mure does not quote the charter in question nor provide a precise source reference, apart from referring to Guichenon·Äôs Histoire de Savoie.¬â This charter has not been found in the compilation of Cluny charters edited by Bernard and Bruel so presumably has since disappeared.¬â It is not now therefore possible to state whether the charter explicitly confirms Ita Raymonde·Äôs affiliation, although on this point there appears no reason to doubt that La Mure had the document available when he was writing as his description of its contents is precise.¬â Two difficulties remain.¬â The first difficulty is the date of the supposed Cluny charter, as at that time Guigues would still have been a child (his estimated birth date appears robust).¬â The second difficulty is that Ita must have been considerably older than her second husband, assuming that she was the same daughter who had previously married Renaud [II] Comte de Nevers, as she had a daughter by her first marriage.¬â One possibility is that Artaud [II] Comte de Forez et de Lyon had two daughters, despite the Origine et Historia asserting that Comte Renaud·Äôs wife was "filiam unicam".¬â It should be noted that no source has been identified which confirms that Guigues·Äôs wife had previously been the wife of Comte Renaud.¬â If there was only one daughter, she must have been divorced from her first husband, although no source has been found which confirms that this is correct.¬â It should be noted that La Mure asserts that Renaud [II] Comte de Nevers was Ita·Äôs second husband, married after the death of Guigues, but this appears difficult to reconcile with the chronology of the different families with which she was connected.¬â Guigues & his wife had one child:¬â
a)¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â GUY [Guigues] (-27 Oct 1138).¬â La Mure·Äôs Histoire des Comtes de Forez states that "Guigues ou Guy I·Ä¶comte de Lyon et de Forez" was the son of Guigues-Raymond and his wife Ita Raymonde and refers to his donation to Cluny dated 1137 for the souls of "son pâ®re ledit Guigues surnommâ© Raymond et·Ä¶sa mere ladite Ide surnommâ©e Raymonde"[204].¬â La Mure does not quote the charter in question nor provide a precise source reference, apart from referring to "les sieurs Du Bouchet, d·ÄôHozier et Guichenon".¬â This charter has not been found in the compilation of Cluny charters edited by Bernard and Bruel so presumably has since disappeared.¬â The family origin of Guy/Guigues appears confirmed by another charter, dated 1173, quoted by La Mure (also without providing the source citation reference) under which his grandson "comes Guigo" donated property "a Vienna usque ad Antonem et usque Burgundium" to the church of Lyon except if he succeeded to [the county of Viennois] ("nisi jure hâ¶reditario, ex linea consanguinitatis aliis exclusis, ad ipsum successio fueris devoluta")[205].¬â Comte de Lyon et de Forez [1115].¬â
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Guigues [III] had two [probably illegitimate] children by [an unknown mistress]:
4.‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ RICHARD (-after 1079).‰ "Wigo Albionis comes" named "fratres mei Guigonis cognomento Raimundi, Richardi, Armannique" in his donation to Cluny dated 1079[206].‰ It is unlikely that Richard and Armand were born from their fatherမs second marriage as they are not named in their maternal grandfatherမs 1076 testament.‰ As they are named after "Guigonis cognomento Raimundi ", it is probable that they were younger brothers or of lesser status, maybe because they were illegitimate.‰
5.‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ARMAND (-after 1079).‰ "Wigo Albionis comes" named "fratres mei Guigonis cognomento Raimundi, Richardi, Armannique" in his donation to Cluny dated 1079[207].‰ It is unlikely that Richard and Armand were born from their fatherမs second marriage as they are not named in their maternal grandfatherမs 1076 testament.‰ As they are named after "Guigonis cognomento Raimundi ", it is probable that they were younger brothers or of lesser status, maybe because they were illegitimate.‰
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