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Persoonlijke gegevens Ide-Raymonde d'ALBON DE FOREZ 

• Zij is geboren in het jaar 1065 in France.

  Let op: Was jonger dan 16 jaar (8) toen kind (Ermengarde de NEVERS) werd geboren (??-??-1073).

• Zij is overleden rond 1100 in France.

  (Décédée après 1100)

• Een kind van Artaud IV Artold de Forez en Raymonde LNU
• Deze gegevens zijn voor het laatst bijgewerkt op 10 augustus 2023.

Gezin van Ide-Raymonde d'ALBON DE FOREZ

(1) Zij is getrouwd met Renaud "le Bourguignon" de NEVERS.

Zij zijn getrouwd

Kind(eren):

1. Ermengarde de NEVERS  1073-± 1105 

(2) Zij is getrouwd met Guigues Raymond d'Albon (de Forez).

Zij zijn getrouwd

Kind(eren):

1. Guigues II Guy d'Albon (de Forez)  ± 1099-1138 

Notities over Ide-Raymonde d'ALBON DE FOREZ

Ide Raymonde, comtesse douairière de Forez
Ide-Raymonde d'Albon (de Forez)
Gender:
Female
Birth:
1065 France
Death:
circa 1100 (30-40)
France (Décédée après 1100)

Immediate Family:
Daughter of Artaud V de Forez, comte de Lyon and Raymonde

Wife of Renaud II, comte de Nevers
and Guigues Raymond, comte d'Albon

Mother of Ermengarde de Nevers and Guigues d'Albon, II, Comte de Lyon et de Forez

Sister of Guillaume III de Forez, comte de Lyon

https://www.geni.com/people/Ide-Raymonde-comtesse-douairière-de-Forez/6000000003494698599

Ide Raymonde, comtesse douairière de Forez is your 28th great grandmother.
You
¬â€  ·Üí Henry Marvin Welborn
your father ·Üí Henry Marvin Welborn, Sr.
his father ·Üí Calhoun H. Welborn
his father ·Üí Younger Welborn, II
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her mother ·Üí Mary Courtenay (Stucley)
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his father ·Üí Frances Culpepper (St. Leger)
his mother ·Üí Catherine Saint Leger (Neville)
her mother ·Üí Sir George Neville, 5th and de jure 3rd Baron Bergavenny
her father ·Üí George Neville, 4th and de jure 2nd Baron Bergavenny
his father ·Üí Edward Neville, 3rd Baron of Bergavenny
his father ·Üí Joan Beaufort, Countess of Westmorland
his mother ·Üí John of Gaunt, 1st Duke of Lancaster, 1st Earl of Richmond
her father ·Üí Edward III, king of England
his father ·Üí Isabella of France, Queen consort of England
his mother ·Üí Jeanne I, Queen of Navarre
her mother ·Üí Henry I the Fat, king of Navarre
her father ·Üí Marguerite de Bourbon, reina de Navarra
his mother ·Üí Alix de Forez
her mother ·Üí Guigues "Branda" de Forez, III, Count of Forez
her father ·Üí Guigues de Forez, III, Comte de Lyon et de Forez
his father ·Üí Guigues d'Albon, II, Comte de Lyon et de Forez
his father ᆒ Ide Raymonde, comtesse douairière de Forez
his mother

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgkvien.htm#GuiguesRaymonddiedafter1096

GUIGUES dit Raymond ([1074/75]-5 Dec after 1096).¬â€  "Wigo Albionis comes" named "fratres mei Guigonis cognomento Raimundi, Richardi, Armannique" in his donation to Cluny dated 1079[200].¬â€  He is referred to, but not named, in the testament of "comitis Barchinone·Ä¶Raimundi Berengarii" dated 12 Nov 1076 as residuary beneficiary of the county of Barcelona in case of the death of the testator's three children[201].¬â€  m (1085 or before) as her second husband, [ITA Raymonde] de Forez, [divorced wife] of [RENAUD [II] Comte de Nevers], daughter of ARTAUD [II] Comte de Forez et de Lyon & his wife Raymonde ---.¬â€  The Origine et Historia Brevi Nivernensium Comitum records that "Guillelmus·Ä¶[filios]·Ä¶Renaldum" married firstly "filiam unicam [Artaldi] comitis Foratensis"[202].¬â€  La Mure·Äôs Histoire des Comtes de Forez states that "Guy-Raymond de Viennois" married "Ide-Raymonde de Forez, fille d·ÄôArtaud V·Ä¶comte de Lyon et de Forez et d·ÄôIde son √©pouse" and refers to the couple·Äôs donation of "quelques terres situ√©es au pays de Forez" to Cluny dated 1085, adding that the property in question was Ita·Äôs dowry[203].¬â€  La Mure does not quote the charter in question nor provide a precise source reference, apart from referring to Guichenon·Äôs Histoire de Savoie.¬â€  This charter has not been found in the compilation of Cluny charters edited by Bernard and Bruel so presumably has since disappeared.¬â€  It is not now therefore possible to state whether the charter explicitly confirms Ita Raymonde·Äôs affiliation, although on this point there appears no reason to doubt that La Mure had the document available when he was writing as his description of its contents is precise.¬â€  Two difficulties remain.¬â€  The first difficulty is the date of the supposed Cluny charter, as at that time Guigues would still have been a child (his estimated birth date appears robust).¬â€  The second difficulty is that Ita must have been considerably older than her second husband, assuming that she was the same daughter who had previously married Renaud [II] Comte de Nevers, as she had a daughter by her first marriage.¬â€  One possibility is that Artaud [II] Comte de Forez et de Lyon had two daughters, despite the Origine et Historia asserting that Comte Renaud·Äôs wife was "filiam unicam".¬â€  It should be noted that no source has been identified which confirms that Guigues·Äôs wife had previously been the wife of Comte Renaud.¬â€  If there was only one daughter, she must have been divorced from her first husband, although no source has been found which confirms that this is correct.¬â€  It should be noted that La Mure asserts that Renaud [II] Comte de Nevers was Ita·Äôs second husband, married after the death of Guigues, but this appears difficult to reconcile with the chronology of the different families with which she was connected.¬â€  Guigues & his wife had one child:¬â€ 
a)¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€  GUY [Guigues] (-27 Oct 1138).¬â€  La Mure·Äôs Histoire des Comtes de Forez states that "Guigues ou Guy I·Ä¶comte de Lyon et de Forez" was the son of Guigues-Raymond and his wife Ita Raymonde and refers to his donation to Cluny dated 1137 for the souls of "son p√®re ledit Guigues surnomm√© Raymond et·Ä¶sa mere ladite Ide surnomm√©e Raymonde"[204].¬â€  La Mure does not quote the charter in question nor provide a precise source reference, apart from referring to "les sieurs Du Bouchet, d·ÄôHozier et Guichenon".¬â€  This charter has not been found in the compilation of Cluny charters edited by Bernard and Bruel so presumably has since disappeared.¬â€  The family origin of Guy/Guigues appears confirmed by another charter, dated 1173, quoted by La Mure (also without providing the source citation reference) under which his grandson "comes Guigo" donated property "a Vienna usque ad Antonem et usque Burgundium" to the church of Lyon except if he succeeded to [the county of Viennois] ("nisi jure h√¶reditario, ex linea consanguinitatis aliis exclusis, ad ipsum successio fueris devoluta")[205].¬â€  Comte de Lyon et de Forez [1115].¬â€ 

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BURGUNDY%20Kingdom.htm#ItaRaymondeF...
daughter of Artaud de Forez and Raymonde
marriages
1) Renaud II de Nevers one daughter Elisabeth de Nevers
2) Guiges Raymond d'Albon one son Guy (Guiges)

She married Guigues-Raimond d' Albon, son of comte d' Albon Guigues I "le Vieil" d' Albon and Gothelene (?), in 1091 [G%C3%A9n%C3%A9alogie des rois de France, online <http://jeanjacques.villemag.free.fr/>, Dauphine du Viennois, 1091].

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgkforez.htm#ItaRaymondeForezM1NeversM2Albon

ARTAUD [IV] de Forez, son of GERAUD Comte de Forez & his wife Adelaide --- (-[14 May 1078/6 Dec 1079]).¬â€  "Geraldus comes et uxor mea Adalaix" donated the church of Saint-Pierre d·ÄôAurec to the abbey of Saint-Michel-l·ÄôEcluse en Savoie, by charter dated "VIII Id Feb regnante Rodulfo rege die Jovis", subscribed by "Artaldus et Gaufredus seu Vilelemus eorum filii"[78].¬â€  Comte de Forez.¬â€  Auguste Bernard cites a charter dated to before 1061 under which Artaud, son of G√©rard, confirmed a donation to the church of Aurec, approved by his (unnamed) wife[79].¬â€  Pope Gregory VII excommunicated Comte Artaud at the council of Worms in 1076 for his attacks on the church of Lyon[80].¬â€  "Vuillelmus comes Foresii" donated property to Savigny by charter dated [14 May 1078] which names "comes Artaldus pater eius"[81].¬â€ 
m RAYMONDE, daughter of ---.¬â€  "Raymode matre mea" consented to the donation to Cluny dated 1078 by "Artaldus comes Forensis", named immediately after "Willelmus filius eius [Artaldi]"[82].¬â€ 
Artaud [II] & his wife had two children:¬â€ 
1.¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€  GUILLAUME [I] (-killed in battle Nikaia Jun 1097).¬â€  "Vuillelmus comes Foresii" donated property to Savigny by charter dated [14 May 1078] which names "comes Artaldus pater eius"[83].¬â€  "Vuillelmi comitis filii Artaldi" subscribed a charter dated 6 Dec 1079 under which "Falco de Yconio" donated property to Savigny in praise of "Artaldi Forisiensis comitis"[84].¬â€  Comte de Forez.¬â€  "Willelmus filius eius" consented to the donation to Cluny dated 1078 by "Artaldus comes Forensis"[85].¬â€  "Willelmus comes Forensis" donated the church of Saint-Julien de Moind lez Montbrison to the archbishop of Lyon, before leaving for Jerusalem, by charter dated 1096, before 10 Dec[86].¬â€  William of Tyre names ·ÄúGuillelmus comes de Foreis·Äù among those who left on the First Crusade in 1096 with Robert Count of Flanders[87].¬â€  Albert of Aix names "·Ä¶comes una Willelmus de castello Foreis·Ä¶" among those who took part in the siege of Nikaia, dated to mid-1097 from the context[88].¬â€  William of Tyre names ·ÄúWillelmus comes de Foreis·Äù among those killed during the siege of Nikaia[89].¬â€  Albert of Aix records that "·Ä¶comes de Foreis·Ä¶" was killed at the siege of Nikaia, dated to mid-1097 from the context[90].¬â€  m WANDALMODE de Beaujeu, daughter of GUICHARD [II] Seigneur de Beaujeu & his wife Richoara [de Salernay].¬â€  The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been identified.¬â€  She is not named as the wife of Comte Guillaume [I] by La Mure.¬â€  Guillaume [I] & his wife had two children:¬â€ 
a)¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€  GUILLAUME [II] (-after 1107).¬â€  "Filii eius·Ä¶Guillermus et Eustachius" confirmed the donation by "pater Guillermus" to Montbrison by undated charter[91].¬â€  Comte de Forez.¬â€  Auguste Bernard refers to a charter dated 1107 which was issued by Comte Guillaume but does not provide the source reference[92].¬â€  He became a Carthusian monk[93].¬â€  He was assassinated by Gauceran vicomte de Lavieu who accused Guillaume of having raped his wife[94].¬â€ 
b)¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€  EUSTACHE (-[1110/17]).¬â€  "Filii eius·Ä¶Guillermus et Eustachius" confirmed the donation by "pater Guillermus" to Montbrison by undated charter[95].¬â€  Comte de Forez.¬â€  Auguste Bernard refers to a charter under which Eustache granted the ch√¢teau de Saint-Trivier to the seigneur de Beaujeu but does not provide the source reference[96].¬â€  No primary source has been identified which provides any indication of the date of Eustache·Äôs death but presumably he did not long survive his older brother.¬â€ 
2.¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€  [ITA Raymonde] .¬â€  The Origine et Historia Brevi Nivernensium Comitum records that "Guillelmus·Ä¶[filios]·Ä¶Renaldum" married firstly "filiam unicam [Artaldi] comitis Foratensis"[97].¬â€  La Mure·Äôs Histoire des Comtes de Forez states that "Guy-Raymond de Viennois" married "Ide-Raymonde de Forez, fille d·ÄôArtaud V·Ä¶comte de Lyon et de Forez et d·ÄôIde son √©pouse" and refers to the couple·Äôs donation of "quelques terres situ√©es au pays de Forez" to Cluny dated 1085, adding that the property in question was Ita·Äôs dowry[98].¬â€  La Mure does not quote the charter nor does he provide a precise source reference, apart from referring to Guichenon·Äôs Histoire de Savoie.¬â€  This charter has not been found in the compilation of Cluny charters edited by Bernard and Bruel so presumably it has since disappeared.¬â€  It is not now therefore possible to state whether the charter explicitly confirms Ita Raymonde·Äôs affiliation, although on this point there appears no reason to doubt that La Mure had the document available when he was writing as his description of its contents is precise.¬â€  Two difficulties remain.¬â€  The first is the date of the supposed Cluny charter, as at that time Guigues would still have been a child (his estimated birth date appears robust).¬â€  The second difficulty is that Ita must have been considerably older than her second husband, assuming that she was the same daughter who had previously married Renaud [II] Comte de Nevers, as she had a daughter by her first marriage when Guigues Raymond must still have been an infant.¬â€  These problems would be solved if Artaud [II] Comte de Forez et de Lyon in fact had two daughters, despite the Origine et Historia asserting that Comte Renaud·Äôs wife was "filiam unicam".¬â€  It should be noted that no source has been identified which confirms that Guigues·Äôs wife had previously been the wife of Comte Renaud.¬â€  If there was really only one daughter, she must have been divorced from her first husband, although no source has been found which confirms that this is correct.¬â€  It should be noted that La Mure asserts that Renaud [II] Comte de Nevers was Ita·Äôs second husband, married after the death of Guigues, but this appears difficult to reconcile with the chronology of the different families with which she was connected.¬â€  [m firstly ([divorced]) as his first wife, RENAUD [II] Comte de Nevers, son of GUILLAUME [I] Comte de Nevers & his wife Ermengarde Ctss de Tonnerre (-5 Aug 1089).]¬â€  [m secondly (before 1085) GUIGUES RAYMOND d'Albon, son of GUIGUES [II] "Vetus" Comte d'Albon & his second wife Ines de Barcelona ([1074/75]-5 Dec after 1096).]¬â€ 

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