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Hij is geboren in het jaar 992 in Champagne, France OR Soissons, Aisne, Picardie, France.
Hij is overleden in het jaar 1040 in Bar-sur-Aube, Aube, Champagne, France OR Eure-et-Loir, Centre, France, hij was toen 48 jaar oud.
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Gezin van Nocher (II) (III) ? de Bar-sur-Aube Comte de Bar-sur-Aube

Hij is getrouwd met Adelais Alice Bar-Aube.

Zij zijn getrouwd

Kind(eren):

Adâ®le (Aelis) de Bar-sur-Aube ± 1012-1053

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Nocher III, comte de Bar sur Aube is your 28th great grandfather.
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¬â ·Üí Henry Marvin Welborn
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her father ·Üí Gundred de Warenne, Countess of Warwick
his mother ·Üí Elisabeth de Vermandois, dame de Crâ©py
her mother ·Üí Adâ®le de Vermandois, comtesse de Vermandois et Valois
her mother ·Üí Adelais de Valois et du Vexin, Countess of Valois
her mother ·Üí Adâ®le, comtesse de Bar-sur-Aube
her mother ·Üí Nocher III, comte de Bar sur Aube
her father

Nocher III de Bar-sur-Aube, Comte de Bar-sur-Aube
Gender:
Male
Birth:
992
Champagne, France OR Soissons, Aisne, Picardie, France
Death:
1040 (48)
Bar-sur-Aube, Aube, Champagne, France OR Eure-et-Loir, Centre, France
Immediate Family:
Son of Nocher II, comte de Bar-Sur-Aube and Countess Aelis of Soissons
Husband of Adelais Alice Bar-Aube, Comtesse de Soissons
Father of Adâ®le, comtesse de Bar-sur-Aube

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¬â ·Üí Geneva Allene Welborn
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her father ·Üí Isabel de Beaumont, Concubine #15 of Henry I, Countess of Pembroke
his mother ·Üí Elisabeth de Vermandois, dame de Crâ©py
her mother ·Üí Countess Adâ®le de Vermandois, comtesse de Vermandois et Valois
her mother ·Üí Adelais de Valois et du Vexin, Countess of Valois
her mother ·Üí Adâ®le, comtesse de Bar-sur-Aube
her mother ·Üí Nocher III, comte de Bar sur Aube
her father

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chambarsein.htm

http://genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00141446&tree=LEO

According to the FMG Medieval Lands database, Nocher III, Comte de Bar-sur-Aube, was the son of Nocher II Comte de Bar-sur-Aube, Comte de Soissons, and Adelisa Comtesse de Soissons:

NOCHER [III] (-[1040]). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. Comte de Bar-sur-Seine.
m ---. The name of Nocher's wife is not known.
Nocher [III] & his wife had two children:
(1) AELIS (-11 Sep 1053). The primary source which confirms her parentage and her marriages has not so far been identified. Ctss de Bar-sur-Aube. Her origin is indicated by the undated charter under which her son "Symon comes Barrensium" donated property to the abbey of Molesme for the souls of "parentum suorum Radulfi·Ä¶comitis et Walterii fratris suis et matris sue Adele"[101]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Adala" wife of "comitis Veromandie [error for Valois] Rodolfi" and mother of "Symonem et filiam·Ä¶Adala", but does not give her origin[102]. "Symon comes Barrensium" donated property to the abbey of Molesme for the souls of "parentum suorum Radulfi·Ä¶comitis et Walterii fratris suis et matris sue Adele" by undated charter, the entry stating that "Adelina comitissa" died "III Id Sep"[103].
m firstly (1040) RENAUD de Semur-en-Brionnais, son of GEOFFROY I Seigneur de Semur & his first wife --- de Brioude.
m secondly RENARD Comte de Joigny, son of GEOFFROY de Joigny & his wife Alix de Sens.
m thirdly as his second wife, ROGER [I] avouâ© de Vignory, son of GUY [I] de Vignory & his wife --- (-after [1050/52]).
m fourthly (after [1050/52]) as his first wife, RAOUL III Comte de Valois, de Vexin, d'Amiens et de Vitry, son of RAOUL II Comte de Valois & his wife Adela de Breteuil (-Pâ©ronne 23 Feb or 8 Sep 1074, bur Montdidier, later transferred to Crâ©py-en-Valois, â©glise collâ©giale Saint-Arnoul).
The county of Bar-sur-Aube was transmitted to the issue of this fourth marriage.
(2) ISABELLE . The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been identified. m GAUTHIER de Clamecy.

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/chambarsein.htm

A.¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â COMTES de BAR-sur-AUBE (FERTE-sur-AUBE)
¬â
¬â
NOCHER [I] de la Fertâ©-sur-Aube, son of ACHARD de la Fertâ©-sur-Aube & his wife [Achardia ---] (-after 1011).¬â The Acta Sanctorum commentary on the life of Saint-Simon de Valois, based on an undated manuscript of the abbey of Saint-Claude, records that "Rodulpho (Simonis genitori)" married three wives, firstly "Adela, Nocheri Barrensis ad Albam comitis filia, Notheri comitis Suessionum neptis, Achardi proneptis" who had previously married "Rainaldum de Sinemuro, Rainardum comitem de Jooniaco, Rotgerium de Wangionis ripa"[7].¬â Comte de Bar-sur-Aube.¬â "Fulchone Suessionis episcopo ac comite Notcherio fratribus" supported a donation by "Vualterius Eduorum·Ä¶episcopus" of property to the abbey of Flavigny by charter dated 1011, subscribed by " Fulco episcopus Sessionis civitatis, Beraldi nepotis eius, Notcherii comitis, Notcherii filii eius, Adelise comitisse"[8].¬â
m ([992]) [as her second husband,] ADELISA, [widow of GUY Comte de Soissons,] daughter of [GILBERT/GISELBERT Comte & his wife ---].¬â "·Ä¶Notcherii comitis, Notcherii filii eius, Adelise comitisse" subscribed the charter dated 1011 under which "Fulchone Suessionis episcopo ac comite Notcherio fratribus" supported a donation by "Vualterius Eduorum·Ä¶episcopus" of property to the abbey of Flavigny[9].¬â The Acta Sanctorum commentary on the life of Saint-Simon de Valois, based on an undated manuscript of the abbey of Saint-Claude, records that "Nocherius seu Nocherus, Achardi filius" married in 992 "Alaidem comitissam Suessionensem, filiam comitis Gilberti, viduam Guidonis Viromanduensis, et matrem Rainaudi comitis Suessionensem"[10].¬â According to Europâ§ische Stammtafeln[11], she was Adelisa Ctss de Soissons, daughter of Guy Comte de Soissons & his wife ---.¬â It is uncertain which version is correct, but as noted below under Renaud Comte de Soissons there are indications that the Acta Sanctorum version provides a more credible explanation of events.¬â
Nocher [I] & his wife had [three] children:¬â
1.¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â NOCHER [II] (-[1019/40]).¬â The Acta Sanctorum commentary on the life of Saint-Simon de Valois, based on an undated manuscript of the abbey of Saint-Claude, names "alius Nocherius, Wido·Ä¶clericus, frater eius" as the two sons of "Nocherius comes Suessionem"[12].¬â Comte de Bar-sur-Aube.¬â
-¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â see below.¬â
2.¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â GUY .¬â The Acta Sanctorum commentary on the life of Saint-Simon de Valois, based on an undated manuscript of the abbey of Saint-Claude, names "alius Nocherius, Wido·Ä¶clericus, frater eius" as the two sons of "Nocherius comes Suessionem"[13].¬â
3.¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â [RENAUD [I] (-1057).¬â Comte de Soissons.¬â According to Europâ§ische Stammtafeln[14], Renaud was the possible son of Nocher Comte de Bar-sur-Aube & his wife Adelisa Ctss de Soissons.¬â This is consistent with the same source stating that Nocher·Äôs wife was the daughter, not the widow, of Guy Comte de Soissons, but the primary source (if any) on which the information is based has not been identified.¬â On the other hand, the Acta Sanctorum commentary on the life of Saint-Simon de Valois, based on an undated manuscript of the abbey of Saint-Claude, records that "Nocherius seu Nocherus, Achardi filius" married in 992 "Alaidem comitissam Suessionensem, filiam comitis Gilberti, viduam Guidonis Viromanduensis, et matrem Rainaudi comitis Suessionensem"[15].¬â As Renaud named his son Guy, it appears more likely that the Acta Sanctorum version is correct.]¬â
-¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â COMTES de SOISSONS.]¬â
¬â
¬â
NOCHER [II], son of NOCHER [I] Comte de Bar-sur-Aube & his wife Adelisa --- (-[1019/40]).¬â The Acta Sanctorum commentary on the life of Saint-Simon de Valois, based on an undated manuscript of the abbey of Saint-Claude, names "alius Nocherius, Wido·Ä¶clericus, frater eius" as the two sons of "Nocherius comes Suessionem"[16].¬â His parentage is confirmed by the charter dated 1011 under which "Fulchone Suessionis episcopo ac comite Notcherio fratribus" supported a donation by "Vualterius Eduorum·Ä¶episcopus" of property to the abbey of Flavigny, subscribed by "·Ä¶Notcherii comitis, Notcherii filii eius, Adelise comitisse"[17].¬â Comte de Bar-sur-Aube.¬â
m ---.¬â The name of Nocher·Äôs wife is not known.¬â
Nocher [II] & his wife had two children:¬â

1.¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â AELIS ([1020/25]-11 Sep 1053).¬â The Acta Sanctorum commentary on the life of Saint-Simon de Valois, based on an undated manuscript of the abbey of Saint-Claude, records that "Rodulpho (Simonis genitori)" married three wives, firstly "Adela, Nocheri Barrensis ad Albam comitis filia, Notheri comitis Suessionum neptis, Achardi proneptis" who had previously married "Rainaldum de Sinemuro, Rainardum comitem de Jooniaco, Rotgerium de Wangionis ripa"[18].¬â Considering the date of her first marriage, and that she had several children by her fourth husband, it is unlikely that Aelis was born before [1020/25].¬â Ctss de Bar-sur-Aube.¬â Her marital history is recorded in the Acta Sanctorum commentary on the life of Saint-Simon de Valois: after the death of her first husband, "Rodulfus comes Calvimontis Vallis Cassini" [identified as her future fourth husband] visited "castellum Barri" who proposed marriage, the ceremony to take place after his return from a pilgrimage to Rome, but as the proposal displeased "primoribus terrâ¶ illius" they married her during Raoul·Äôs absence to "Rainardo comiti de Jooniaco".¬â After Raoul returned, he besieged "Jooniacum castellum" and abducted Aelis to "castello Firmitatis", wanting to assure himself that she was not pregnant before marrying her.¬â While there, the inhabitants of Bar-sur-Aube married her again to "Rotgerio de Wangionis ripa", after which Raoul ravaged the countryside until they returned Aelis to him[19].¬â Her son "Symon comes Barrensium" donated property to the abbey of Molesme for the souls of "parentum suorum Radulfi·Ä¶comitis et Walterii fratris suis et matris sue Adele" by undated charter[20].¬â The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Adala" wife of "comitis Veromandie [error for Valois] Rodolfi" and mother of "Symonem et filiam·Ä¶Adala", but does not give her origin[21].¬â "Symon comes Barrensium" donated property to the abbey of Molesme for the souls of "parentum suorum Radulfi·Ä¶comitis et Walterii fratris suis et matris sue Adele" by undated charter, the entry stating that "Adelina comitissa" died "III Id Sep"[22].¬â m firstly (1040) RENAUD de Semur-en-Brionnais, son of GEOFFROY I Seigneur de Semur & his first wife --- de Brioude.¬â m secondly ([1040/42], separated) RENARD Comte de Joigny, son of GEOFFROY de Joigny & his wife Alix de Sens.¬â m thirdly ([1041/43], separated) as his second wife, ROGER [I] avouâ© de Vignory, son of GUY [I] de Vignory & his wife --- (-before 1057).¬â m fourthly ([1041/45]) as his first wife, RAOUL [III] Comte de Valois, du Vexin, d'Amiens et de Vitry, son of RAOUL [II] Comte de Valois & his wife [--- de Breteuil] (-Pâ©ronne 23 Feb or 8 Sep 1074, bur Montdidier, later transferred to Crâ©py-en-Valois, â©glise collâ©giale Saint-Arnoul).¬â The county of Bar-sur-Aube was transmitted to the children of Aelis·Äôs fourth marriage.¬â

2.¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ISABELLE .¬â The Acta Sanctorum commentary on the life of Saint-Simon de Valois, based on an undated manuscript of the abbey of Saint-Claude, names "comitissam·Ä¶Adelhida et Isabel" as the two daughters of Nocher [II] Comte de Bar-sur-Aube, adding that Isabelle married "Galterius de Clamice" by whom she had "filium Rodulphum" who was strangled "apud Firmitatem jam juvenis"[23].¬â m GAUTHIER de Clamecy, son of ---.¬â One child:¬â
a)¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â RAOUL de Clamecy (-murdered La Fertâ©-sur-Aube ----).¬â The Acta Sanctorum commentary on the life of Saint-Simon de Valois, based on an undated manuscript of the abbey of Saint-Claude, names "comitissam·Ä¶Adelhida et Isabel" as the two daughters of Nocher [II] Comte de Bar-sur-Aube, adding that Isabelle married "Galterius de Clamice" by whom she had "filium Rodulphum" who was strangled "apud Firmitatem jam juvenis"[24].¬â
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