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Persoonlijke gegevens Alice Bryan Bryant (MacLand) 

• Zij is geboren tussen 1656 en 1673 in Isle of Wight County, Virginia Colony.Bronnen 1, 5, 6, 7, 10, 11, 12, 13, 15, 17, 19, 20, 22, 25, 31, 32, 35, 41, 49, 55
• Alternatief: Zij is geboren in het jaar 1660 in Ireland.Bronnen 16, 17, 32
• Alternatief: Zij is geboren in het jaar 1656 in Ireland.Bronnen 25, 47
• Alternatief: Zij is geboren in het jaar 1659 in Shropshire, England.Bronnen 1, 5, 7, 13, 16, 18, 21, 24, 30, 39, 44, 45, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54
• Woonachtig: United States.Bronnen 1, 10
• Zij is overleden op 14 november 1729 in Isle of Wight County, Province of Virginia, zij was toen 73 jaar oud.Bronnen 4, 6, 11, 12, 17, 19, 20, 25, 32, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62
• Alternatief: Zij is overleden in het jaar 1729 in Pasquotank, NC, USA, zij was toen 73 jaar oud.Bronnen 17, 26, 32
• Alternatief: Zij is overleden in het jaar 1729 in Isle of Whight, Virginia, zij was toen 73 jaar oud.Bronnen 25, 47
• Alternatief: Zij is overleden op 14 november 1729 in Pasquotank, North Carolina, United States, zij was toen 73 jaar oud.Bronnen 1, 5, 7, 13, 21, 26, 37, 44, 45, 51, 53
• Een kind van John Macland en Alice Macland (Needham)
• Een kind van Lord Charles Needham en Bridget Drury
• Een kind van Sir Robert Needham 4Th Viscounte Of Bromley Kilmorey en Lady Eleanor Vicountess of Kilmorey Dutton
• Deze gegevens zijn voor het laatst bijgewerkt op 26 mei 2022.

Gezin van Alice Bryan Bryant (MacLand)

Zij is getrouwd met William (I) ·ÄúSmith·Äù Bryan (Bryant).

Zij zijn getrouwd.

Kind(eren):

1. Needham (I) Bryan  ± 1690-1767 
2. William L (II) Bryan  ± 1692-± 1744 
3. Mary W Lee (Bryan Bryant)  1703-± 1780 
4. John Bryan  ± 1692-1735
5. Alice Alise Bryan (Bryant)  1704-> 1705

Notities over Alice Bryan Bryant (MacLand)

Alice Bryant is your 8th great grandmother.
You ¬â€  ·Üí Geneva Allene Welborn
your mother ·Üí Henry Loyd Smith, Sr.
her father ·Üí Edith Lucinda Smith
his mother ·Üí William M LEE, Will
her father ·Üí Britton Lee
his father ·Üí William Samuel Lee
his father ·Üí Lemuel Samuel Lee
his father ·Üí Edward Lee, Sr.
his father ·Üí Mary Bryan
his mother ·Üí Alice Bryant
her mother

https://www.geni.com/people/Alice-Bryant/6000000005783121129

Alice Bryant (MacLand)
Gender:
Female
Birth:
between 1656 and 1673
Isle of Wight County, Virginia Colony
Death:
November 14, 1729 (56-73)
Isle of Wight County, Province of Virginia
Immediate Family:
Daughter of John Macland and Alice Macland
Wife of William Bryan, Sr.
Mother of Needham Bryan; William Bryant, Jr; John Bryan, of Edgecombe County; Mary Lee and Alice Bryan

https://www.geni.com/people/Mary-Lee-Bryan/6000000008630920517

https://www.ourfamtree.org/browse.php/Alice-Macland/f13030
https://www.ourfamtree.org/browse.php?fid=26931

Alice's parents were John Macland and Alice Needham. Married 1 JUN 1631.

Will, : On page 473 of the Isle of Wight County, Virginia Deed Book 1, it gives the estate information of John Macland. It names his daughter Alice Bryant, Grandchildren Nicholas, John, and Elizabeth Perry, grandchildren Needham, William, John, Mary, and Alice Bryant, and wife Elizabeth Macland.

Sources
Website:Sally Koestler; Email: skoe... Website:db ID: dolphin3456; Kathy Wayman; Email: dolp...
Website:LDS FamilySearch; Website:db ID: dolphin3456; Kathy Wayman; Email: dolp...
John Macland Birth 1 JUN 1615 VA, Isle of Wight Co More on this location Links Isle of Wight Co VAGenWeb Site
Death 1705 VA, Isle of Wight C

Alice Needham Birth 1 JUN 1616 VA, Isle of Wight Co More on this location Links Isle of Wight Co VAGenWeb Site FamilySearch County Page FamilySearch State Page
Death 1690

Charles Needham and Bridget Drury had no daughter Alice. There is no room between their documented six children (one died in infancy) for another child (they were married Feb. 27 1654/1655·Äîperhaps 1654, as their second child Robert was baptized in 1655), and Charles was in prison toward the end of their marriage (imprisoned August, 1659, died in prison 1660). Some would argue she was stricken from the will for eloping to America, but she would have been a very little girl at the time of Charles·Äôs death. Only one daughter, Mary, is mentioned in the administration of the estate. She died in England.

Charles·Äô father Robert appears to have had 2 children with his first wife and 12 with his second. While there is room in the second marriage for another child, the dates are off. Robert·Äôs second marriage to Eleanor Dutton occurred about 1623. It was Eleanor·Äôs second marriage as well--she was born ca1596. Eleanor Needham seems too old to be Alice·Äôs mother. I suppose Robert could have had a child out of wedlock late in life, but since he died 9/12/1653 and Alice Bryan presumably had eldest child Needham Bryan in 1690, let·Äôs say for the sake of argument that Alice was born posthumously in 1654, making her 36 at the birth of her oldest child. That·Äôs a stretch, and if she were illegitimate, Alice would be no ·ÄúLady Alice·Äù anyhow.

This website was created by a proven Needham descendant. Some of the dates are documented, but unfortunately not all of them. http://www.members.shaw.ca/jmream/needham.html [note: dead link]

This site references three different peerage references·Äînot primary sources, but better than nothing. http://www.thepeerage.com/p14043.htm#i140421

See also the discussion here: http://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/needham/213/

If we·Äôve ruled out both Charles and Robert, that leaves us at square one with our Alice. Some suspect the Needham connection was through either William or Alice·Äôs maternal grandmother instead, which might be a good working theory for research, but isn·Äôt enough to prove a line of descent. Besides, there were other Needhams in Virginia we haven·Äôt ruled out, not to mention men from other families who had Needham as a first name.

The alternative MacLand descent is also problematic. William Bryan is not mentioned in John MacLand·Äôs will fragment (daughter Alice Bryant is mentioned, but her husband is not named) and his grandson ·ÄúNeedham·Äù is thought by many to be a transcription error of ·ÄúWoodham.·Äù Honestly, I put John MacLand there to try to keep the Needhams from being merged onto my tree (no offense!!).

Here are some valid objections to our using the MacLand will fragment as documentation: http://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/needham/676/

(By the way, carsonjohnson.com is now a dead link. The document has been preserved in the sources, anyway, but it includes no primary documentation and should not be considered as good source material. Not that any of us can show primary documentation for the whole family tree, but when you·Äôre talking about people in the nobility, the burden of proof should be higher.)
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William, perhaps the son of John Bryan of Nansemond & Sarah (perhaps Berryman). Married Alice Lacland. 5 children: Needham, John, Mary Lee, Alise, & William.

Family
From https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/MacLand-5
Alice MacLand married William Bryan[5]born, ca. 1655. Died, ca. 1749[6][7] [8] William is the son of John Bryan and is not a Marquis.[9]
Children mentioned in Will of John MacLand:
Needham Bryan (1690-1770), married Anne Rambeau on 16 Nov 1711 in Virginia, US,[10]
John Bryan (1692-1735)
William Bryan ( -1762)
Mary Bryan
Alice Bryan
On page 473 of the Isle of Wight County, Virginia Deed Book 1, it gives the estate information of John Macland. It names his daughter Alice Bryant, Grandchildren Nicholas, John, and Elizabeth Perry, grandchildren Needam, William, John, Mary, and Alice Bryant, and wife Elizabeth Macland; 1 June 1705

Blackshear, Perry Lynnfield. Blacksheariana: genealogy, history, anecdotes; a compilation. 1954, p. 316. Atlanta.
https://www.ourfamtree.org/browse.php/Alice-Macland/f13030
https://www.ourfamtree.org/browse.php?fid=26931
Alice's parents were John Macland and Alice Needham. Married 1 JUN 1631.
Will, : On page 473 of the Isle of Wight County, Virginia Deed Book 1, it gives the estate information of John Macland. It names his daughter Alice Bryant, Grandchildren Nicholas, John, and Elizabeth Perry, grandchildren Needham, William, John, Mary, and Alice Bryant, and wife Elizabeth Macland.
Sources
Website:Sally Koestler; Email: skoe... Website:db ID: dolphin3456; Kathy Wayman; Email: dolp...
Website:LDS FamilySearch; Website:db ID: dolphin3456; Kathy Wayman; Email: dolp...
John Macland Birth 1 JUN 1615
VA, Isle of Wight Co More on this location Links Isle of Wight Co VAGenWeb Site
Death 1705 VA, Isle of Wight C
Alice Needham Birth 1 JUN 1616
VA, Isle of Wight Co More on this location Links Isle of Wight Co VAGenWeb Site FamilySearch County Page FamilySearch State Page
Death 1690
Charles Needham and Bridget Drury had no daughter Alice. There is no room between their documented six children (one died in infancy) for another child (they were married Feb. 27 1654/1655·Äîperhaps 1654, as their second child Robert was baptized in 1655), and Charles was in prison toward the end of their marriage (imprisoned August, 1659, died in prison 1660). Some would argue she was stricken from the will for eloping to America, but she would have been a very little girl at the time of Charles·Äôs death. Only one daughter, Mary, is mentioned in the administration of the estate. She died in England.
Charles·Äô father Robert appears to have had 2 children with his first wife and 12 with his second. While there is room in the second marriage for another child, the dates are off. Robert·Äôs second marriage to Eleanor Dutton occurred about 1623. It was Eleanor·Äôs second marriage as well--she was born c1596. Eleanor Needham seems too old to be Alice·Äôs mother. I suppose Robert could have had a child out of wedlock late in life, but since he died 9/12/1653 and Alice Bryan presumably had eldest child Needham Bryan in 1690, let·Äôs say for the sake of argument that Alice was born posthumously in 1654, making her 36 at the birth of her oldest child. That·Äôs a stretch, and if she were illegitimate, Alice would be no ·ÄúLady Alice·Äù anyhow.
This website was created by a proven Needham descendant. Some of the dates are documented, but unfortunately not all of them. http://www.members.shaw.ca/jmream/needham.html [note: dead link]
This site references three different peerage references·Äînot primary sources, but better than nothing. http://www.thepeerage.com/p14043.htm#i140421
See also the discussion here: http://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/needham/213/
If we·Äôve ruled out both Charles and Robert, that leaves us at square one with our Alice. Some suspect the Needham connection was through either William or Alice·Äôs maternal grandmother instead, which might be a good working theory for research, but isn·Äôt enough to prove a line of descent. Besides, there were other Needhams in Virginia we haven·Äôt ruled out, not to mention men from other families who had Needham as a first name.
The alternative MacLand descent is also problematic. William Bryan is not mentioned in John MacLand·Äôs will fragment (daughter Alice Bryant is mentioned, but her husband is not named) and his grandson ·ÄúNeedham·Äù is thought by many to be a transcription error of ·ÄúWoodham.·Äù Honestly, I put John MacLand there to try to keep the Needhams from being merged onto my tree (no offense!!).
Here are some valid objections to our using the MacLand will fragment as documentation: http://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/needham/676/
(By the way, carsonjohnson.com is now a dead link. The document has been preserved in the sources, anyway, but it includes no primary documentation and should not be considered as good source material. Not that any of us can show primary documentation for the whole family tree, but when you·Äôre talking about people in the nobility, the burden of proof should be higher.)

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