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Personal data Otto I van Chiny 

Source 1
  • He was born about 955.Source 2
    Otto I (Eudes) (overleden 987), graaf van Chiny, misschien zoon van Adalbert I de vrome, graaf van Vermandois en Gerberge van Lotharingen. [1] Hoewel hij de titel waarschijnlijk niet heeft gebruikt, wordt Otto beschouwd als de eerste graaf van Chiny.

    Historisch gezien wordt een Otto van Vermandois vermeld in een charter van 958 naast zijn vader, de graaf van Vermandois. Zijn naam en die van zijn broer Ludolfe tonen een Germaanse afkomst van de koningen van de familie van Saksen, wat inderdaad het geval is, aangezien zijn moeder Gerberge van Lorraine is, nicht van keizer Otto I (haar moeder als dochter van Henry de Fowler) . Hij werd gemeld als een ruziënde heer die Henegouwen en Cambrésis (de regio rond Cambrai) bedreigde.

    In 971 richtte een Otto een fort op in Warcq, in de Ardennen, en viel zijn buren aan, waaronder Adalbero, aartsbisschop van Reims. [1] Hij wordt genoemd als keizerlijke afkomst. Dit en een aantal andere feiten brachten de historicus Léon Vanderkindere ertoe om te veronderstellen dat deze twee Otto's in feite één historische figuur waren. [Nodig citaat]

    De naam van zijn vrouw is onbekend. Het is mogelijk dat ze uit Ardennes kwam, een familielid van Wigeric van Lotharingia en Cunigunda van Frankrijk, kleindochter van Louis de Stammerer. Dit zou de naam van zijn zoon en de benoeming van deze laatste als graaf van Verdun in 1024 kunnen verklaren. Otto en zijn vrouw hadden één kind:

    Louis I (overleden in 1025), graaf van Chiny en Verdun. [2]
    Na zijn dood werd Otto opgevolgd als graaf van Chiny door zijn zoon Louis.

    Bronnen:

    Vanderkindere, Léon (1902). La Formation territoriale des principautés belges au Moyen Âge. Vol. 2. H. Lamertin, Libraire-Editeur

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_I,_Count_of_Chiny
  • Title: Graaf van Chiny
  • He died about 987.
  • A child of Albert I van Vermandois and Gerberga van Lotharingen

Household of Otto I van Chiny

He is married to Nn Nn.

They got married


Child(ren):

  1. Lodewijk I van Chiny  ????-1025 


Notes about Otto I van Chiny

OTTO, son of [ALBERT [I] Comte de Vermandois & his [second] wife Gerberga of Lotharingia] ([950/55]-[986/87]). "Ottonem, Alberti Vermandensium comitis filium" is named in the Gesta Episcoporum Cameracensium[540]. A list of members of the Cathedral of Paris lists (in order) "Albertus comes, Girberga comitissa, Harbertus, Otto, Lewultus, Girbertus, Gondrada, Ricardus, Harbertus comes…", the first four individuals named apparently being Comte Albert, his wife and three sons, and the last named maybe his brother or nephew[541]. Otto is named with his parents in a charter of Comte Adalbert dated 2 Nov [958/59][542]. There appears to be no direct proof that Otto, ancestor of the Comtes de Chiny, was the same person as Otto, son of Adalbert Comte de Vermandois. The Historia Monasterii Mosomense records that "Ottonem comitem" built "castellum…Warcus" (Warcq, Ardennes, in the comitatus Castritius) in 971, and suggests his affiliation when, in a later passage, it clarifies that "superius dictus Ottho erat comes, Otthonum…Romanorum imperatorum…germanissima progenies"[543]. The editor of the MGH SS edition of the Historia identifies Otto with the son of Albert [I] Comte de Vermandois and Gerberge, daughter of Emperor Otto I's sister[544]. A subsequent passage of the Historia dates the foundation of the monastery to 24 Jul 971[545], implying that the events recorded earlier in the text predated this foundation. If this is correct, 971 seems early for Otto de Vermandois to have constructed Warcq in light of his estimated birth date (which appears reasonably robust). It is assumed that Otto conquered Ivois around the same time as building the castle of Warcq, and installed himself as Comte d'Ivois[546]. Gerbert, in a letter dated to Oct 986, records that "dux Cono pro suo Ottone insidias molitur"[547]. In the same letter, he also records that "Laudunensis episcopus" left "Dordingum" (Dourdon?) on the advice of "Ottonis et Heriberti" in support of "ducem" (which appears to refer to Hugues Capet). Settipani suggests that "Otto" in this text refers to the holder of Warcq[548]. However, all other passages in Gerbert's letters which name "Ottonis et Heriberti" (in that order) appear to refer to Eudes I Comte de Blois and his first cousin Héribert [V] Comte de Troyes. It is unclear from the full text of this letter whether the two references to "Ottone" and to "Ottonis" relate to the same person. "Dux Cono" has not been identified, although it may refer to Konrad I Duke of Swabia. If this is correct, it is possible that the first "Ottone" is a different person from the second "Ottonis" as there is no other passage which links the Blois count to the Swabian duke. Settipani states that Otto died "between 986 and 987", without specifying the basis for this speculation[549].

m ---. The name of Otto's wife is not known.

Otto & his wife had one child:

1. LOUIS [I] (-murdered 29 Sep 1025).

Bronnen:

[540] Gesta Episcorum Cameracensium I.96, MGH SS VII, p. 439.

[541] Obituaires de Sens Tome I.2, Eglise cathedrale de Paris, p. 1015.

[542] Lot, F. (1891) Les derniers Carolingiens, Lothaire, Louis V, Charles de Lorraine (Paris), p. 65, cited in Settipani (1993), p. 241.

[543] Historia Monasterii Mosomensis, 1.6 and 1.7, MGH SS XIV pp. 604 and 605.

[544] MGH SS XIV, p. 605 footnote 1.

[545] Historia Monasterii Mosomensis, 2.1, MGH SS XIV p. 609.

[546] Vanderkindere (1902), Vol. II, p. 344.

[547] Havet, J. (ed.) (1889) Lettres de Gerbert 983-997 (Paris) ("Gerbert") 94, p. 86.

[548] Settipani (1993), p. 241.

[549] Settipani (1993), p. 241.

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