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Personal data Guigues III "Vetus/Vieux" d'Albon 

• Nickname is Vetus/Vieux.
• He was born between 995 and 1000.
• Title: Graaf, van Albon
• He died between April 22, 1074 and April 22, 1075.
• A child of Guigues II d'Albon and Gotelene Nn

Household of Guigues III "Vetus/Vieux" d'Albon

He is married to Adelsindis Nn.

They got married

Child(ren):

1. Guigues IV d'Albon  1030-1106 

Notes about Guigues III "Vetus/Vieux" d'Albon

GUIGUES [III] "Vetus/Vieux", son of GUIGUES [II] & his wife [Gotelene ---] ([995/1000]-Cluny 22 Apr [1074/75]). "Rodolfus rex" jointly with "Agiltrude regina coniuge nostra nec non archiepiscopo Burchardo fratre nostro et comitibus Rodulpho et Uberto" gave the castle of Moras to "Umberto episcopo eiusque matri domine Freburgie et nepotibus eius, Wigonis bone memorie filiis, Umberto Wigoni Willelmo" by charter dated 6 Jun 1009[177]. His birth date range, estimated consistent with the birth date ranges which are estimated for the other members of this family, means that Guigues was probably still a child at the date of this charter. "…Wigonis et Umberti filiorum fratris eius…" signed the charter dated 1012 under which "Umbertus Grationopolensis ecclesiæ præsul" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Chaffre[178]. Comte d’Albon. "Wigo comes filius Gotelenne" donated "ecclesiam de Visilia" to Cluny by undated charter, subscribed by "Wigonis filii sui, Ainardi de Domena, duobus de fratribus suis Attanulfi Wigonis, Bermundi de Aurel, Humberti nepotis sui"[179]. This charter is dated to [1090] in the compilation of Cluny charters. The document refers to Hugues abbot of Cluny, who is named in documents between 1048 and 1090. If [1090] is the correct date, it would have been signed towards the end of the lives of all three of the Domène brothers who subscribed the document: they are named in charters for Domène between [1027] and [1085][180]. It is therefore possible that the document dates from earlier in the abbacy of Hugues, in which case the donor could be Guigues [III] "Vetus". If this was correct, it would also resolve the problem of the identity of Gotelene. Chorier’s Histoire de Dauphiné suggests that "Gotelenne" was a corruption derived from the word "Catalonia" and therefore that this charter refers to Guigues [III]’s son by Ines de Barcelona[181]. This seems an unlikely explanation as the name "Catalonia" has not been observed in contemporary charters to describe Barcelona and adjacent counties collectively (see the document CATALONIA). A charter dated 29 Apr 1050 records the donation by "Guigoni…maiori, qui postea effectus est monachus…et Adelai comitissæ, et alii Guigoni, filio illius Guigonis…et uxori eius Petronillæ" to Saint-Pierre de Vienne[182]. "…Guigo comes et filius eius Guigo…" witnessed the charter dated 27 Jan 1052 which records an agreement between the archbishop of Vienne and the canons of the church of Romans[183]. "Vuigo comes" donated property "in parrochia Heroneii" to Domène by undated charter which names "dominus Hugo Prior de Domina" (whose priorship is dated to [1058] to [1072], indicating that the donor was Guigues [III] "Vetus")[184]. "Guigo comes qui nomine vocor senex atque filius meus Guigo pinguis" donated property to Oulx by charter dated 1063[185]. “Wigo” (signed “Wigonis comitis”) granted “sponse mee…Agnetis” various properties “in dotalitio”, including “castellum Albionem…Moratum…et Vallem…in comitatu Viennensis” by charter dated “VI Id Mai, luna XXma VIa regnante Henrico rege”, subscribed by “Pontii episcopi”[186], the date corresponding to the year 1070. He became a monk at Cluny. The necrology of the Priory of Saint-Martin-des-Champs records the death "X Kal Mai" of "Wigo comes"[187]. The necrology of the priory of Saint-Robert records the death "X Kal Mai" of "Guigo comes qui cognominatus est Vetus"[188]. No document has yet been found which identifies the year of his death. However, considering the date of his second marriage, and the birth of his son by his second wife, it is likely that he died in [1074/75]. He was dead by 12 Nov 1076, the date of the testament of his father-in-law Ramon Berenguer Comte de Barcelona which provides for the reversion of the testator’s county to "filium Guigonis de Albion quem habuit de filia sua Agnes" in case of extinction of his descendants in the male line[189]. This wording implies that both Ines and Guigues were deceased at the time. Prudhomme distinguishes two individuals in place of "Guigues [III]"[190]. He states that the older Guigues died in 1034, married "Gotelenne", and that his son was the second person, Guigues "Vetus". He cites no primary source in support of his theory, in particular no document which indicates that one of the counts Guigues died in 1034. The division of this person into two seems unnecessary to explain the primary sources. The family relationships shown in this document leave no primary source reference unexplained. In any case, it seems appropriate that Guigues "Vetus" should be identified with Guigues [III] as he would have well merited his nickname, assuming that his birth date is correctly estimated as shown above.

m firstly ADELSINDIS, daughter of --- (-after 29 Apr 1050). "Malleni episcopi Gratianopolitani et Wigonis comitis et uxoris eius Adelsendis, filiorumque suorum Umberti et Wigonis" signed a charter dated 26 Aug 1035 relating to the donation of four churches in Vico to the abbey of Saint-Chaffre[191]. According to Europäische Stammtafeln[192], the first wife of Guigues [III] was "Gotelana de Clérieux". It appears that this hypothesis must be based on the charter dated [1090] under which "Wigo comes filius Gotelenne" donated property to Cluny[193]. However, as noted above, a better interpretation of the documentation is that "Gotelenne" was the mother of Guigues [III] not his wife. A charter dated 29 Apr 1050 records the donation by "Guigoni…maiori, qui postea effectus est monachus…et Adelai comitissæ, et alii Guigoni, filio illius Guigonis…et uxori eius Petronillæ" to Saint-Pierre de Vienne[194].

m secondly (10 May 1070) INES de Barcelona, daughter of RAMON BERENGUER I "el Viejo" Comte de Barcelona & his third wife Almodis de la Marche ([1055/56]-[before 12 Nov 1076]). “Wigo” (signed “Wigonis comitis”) granted “sponse mee…Agnetis” various properties “in dotalitio”, including “castellum Albionem…Moratum…et Vallem…in comitatu Viennensis” by charter dated “VI Id Mai, luna XXma VIa regnante Henrico rege”, subscribed by “Pontii episcopi”[195], the date corresponding to the year 1070. Her parentage is confirmed by the publication of the testament of "comitis Barchinone…Raimundi Berengarii" dated 12 Nov 1076 includes a residuary provision that, in case of the death of his three other children, his counties would revert to "filium Guigonis de Albion quem habuit de filia sua Agnes"[196]. The wording of the testament implies that both Ines and her husband were deceased at the time.

Guigues [III] & his first wife had two children:
HUMBERT ([1025/30]-[1080]).
GUIGUES [IV] "Pinguis" ([1025/30]-19 Jan [1106], bur Priory of Saint-Robert)

Guigues [III] & his second wife had one child:
GUIGUES dit Raymond ([1074/75]-5 Dec after 1096).

Bronnen

[177] MGH, Die Urkunden der Burgundischen Rudolfinger (1977), 93, p. 246.

[178] Saint-Chaffre CCCLV, p. 118.

[179] Cluny, Tome IV, 3652, p. 822.

[180] Domène, pp. xxxiv-xxxv.

[181] Chorier Histoire de Dauphiné Tome I, p. 612.

[182] Chorier Histoire de Dauphiné Tome I, p. 612, quoting Cartulary of Saint-Pierre de Vienne (no citation reference).

[183] Romans (1856), 4, p. 8.

[184] Domène, 9, p. 12, list of priors, Introduction, p. xv.

[185] Oulx, XVIII, p. 18.

[186] Roman (1886), p. 15,

[187] Obituaires de Sens Tome I.1, Prieuré de Saint-Martin-des-Champs, p. 435.

[188] Chorier Histoire de Dauphiné Tome I, p. 613, quoting necrology of priory of Saint-Robert, auprès de Grenoble (no citation reference).

[189] Els Testaments, 8, p. 83.

[190] Prudhomme (1888), p. 69

[191] Saint-Chaffre CCCLVI, p. 120.

[192] ES III 738.

[193] Cluny, Tome IV, 3652, p. 822.

[194] Chorier Histoire de Dauphiné Tome I, p. 612, quoting Cartulary of Saint-Pierre de Vienne (no citation reference).

[195] Roman (1886), p. 15,

[196] Els Testaments, 8, p. 83.

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