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Personal data Ermengarde I de Clermont 

Source 1
  • She was born between 1020 and 1025.
  • Title: Gravin, van Clermont

Household of Ermengarde I de Clermont

She is married to Gozelon de Montaigu.

They got married


Child(ren):

  1. Conon I de Montaigu  ± 1037-1106 


Notes about Ermengarde I de Clermont

ERMENGARDE [Ermentrude] ([1020/25?]-[7 or 10 Mar] [1092/1107], bur [Saint-Feuillien de Fosses]). Roland says that Ermentrude, wife of Gozelon Comte de Montaigu, was “issue de la famille comtale de Grandpré en Champagne”[483]. He cites the 1064 charter under which "Ermentrudis de Harenzey" donated "allodium…Sumey" to Ardenne Saint-Hubert on condition that she could be buried there with her husband, for the soul of "mariti mei Gozolonis", with the consent of "filiis meis…Cunone comite Rodulfo Guidone Joanne Henrico et fratribus meis Hezelino comite et Rainaldo et Balduino"[484]. Roland suggests that “Sumey” (which he identifies as “le village de Sumey, Cimay ou Chimay qui existait autrefois près de Chauvency-les-Forges, dans le canton actuel de Montmédy, Meuse”) was her property inherited from her own family, hence the consent required from her brothers[485]. Ermengarde’s three brothers are identified as Herman [Hezelin], Renaud and Baudouin who are shown above. The primary source which confirms that she was also the daughter of Comte Hildrad [Hezelin], their father, has not been identified. The charters quoted below show that Ermengarde had extensive property holdings in her own right. It is unlikely that she would have inherited all this property from the Grandpré family, whose succession would have been shared between Hildrad’s sons. As indicated above, two solutions seem possible: after Hildrad and his known wife Hersende separated, one of the parties married again and Ermengarde was born from that second marriage, inheriting her properties from the new spouse. In that case, Hildrad’s sons would still have been “fratribus meis” (referring to Ermengarde) in the 1064 charter. It is emphasised that this suggestion is complete speculation. Vanderkindere identifies “Harenzey”, linked to her name in the 1064 charter, as “Harzé, seigneurie relevant du comté de Montaigu”[486], while Kupper suggests that “Harzé: Belgique, prov. de Liège, arr. de Huy, comm. d’Aywaille” was her dower after Gozelon’s death and not property which she inherited from her own family[487].

It will be seen that documents quoted above name “Ermentrude” as well as “Ermengarde”, but common references to members of the Montaigu family and especially to Henri [de Toul] Bishop of Liège suggest that they all relate to the same person. The alternative would involve the separate existence of Ermentrude and Ermengarde, each married to a different “Comte de Montaigu” as shown by the 1064 and 1091 charters respectively. From a chronological point of view, this appears unlikely to be correct: no record has been found of Gozelon having a brother or first cousin who could have married Ermengarde, Gozelon’s son Conon is already recorded with two wives, while his grandsons (sons of Conon) would have been young for marriage in 1091. m [firstly/secondly] ([1040 or before?]) GOZELON Comte de Montaigu, son of --- (-1064, bur Saint Hubert). Turning to her other marriage, the fact of Ermengarde having married at least twice is confirmed by the 1091 charter cited above (the document refers to her “conjugum”). Vanderkindere suggests that she married firstly Arnaud [Comte de Hesbaie], son of [Comte Otto [Looz] & his wife ---], on the basis that Waremme (one of the properties which she donated in 1078, see above) was a Hesbaie possession and may have been her dower from this earlier supposed marriage[501]. Kupper touches on the possibility of this earlier marriage[502], but presumably it represents only one of many possible explanations for Ermengarde’s property interests: for example, she could have inherited property from an unrecorded ancestor or other relative or, as suggested above, from her father if he was her mother’s second husband. Another possibility for Ermengarde’s other marriage is that she married secondly after the death of Gozelon Comte de Montaigu, but if that is correct no indication has been found of the identity of her second husband.

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[483] Roland ‘Les seigneurs et comtes de Rochefort’ (1893), p. 89.

[484] Ardenne Saint-Hubert, Tome I, XVIII, p. 19.

[485] Roland ‘Les seigneurs et comtes de Rochefort’ (1893), p. 89.

[486] Vanderkindere (1902), Vol. II, p. 167.

[487] Kupper ‘Ermengarde’ (2013), p. 10, footnote 29.

[500] Kupper ‘Ermengarde’ (2013), pp. 15-16, and Annexe VI, p. 47.

[501] Vanderkindere (1902), Vol. II, p. 141.

[502] Kupper ‘Ermengarde’ (2013), p. 19, footnote 67, and p. 23.

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