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Household of Roger "Sometimes seen as Roger le Bigod" le Bigod 2nd Earl of Norfolk, Magna Carta Surety

He is married to Ida Isabel de Tosny.

_STATMARRIED

They got married about December 1185 at England.


Child(ren):

  1. Hugh Bigod  ± 1186-1224 


Notes about Roger "Sometimes seen as Roger le Bigod" le Bigod 2nd Earl of Norfolk, Magna Carta Surety

GIVN Roger
SURN Bigod
NSFX [Earl Of Norfolk
AFN 83XC-NB
DATE 9 SEP 2000
TIME 13:15:53
GIVN Roger
SURN Bigod
NSFX [Earl Of Norfolk
AFN 83XC-NB
DATE 9 SEP 2000
TIME 13:15:53
Weis, p. 70 - Baron le Bigod, Lord High Steward of England, 2nd Earl of Norfolk, 1189, Magna Carta Surety, 1215.

Source #2: Marc Morris, "The Bigod Earls of Norfolk in the Thirteenth Century" (Woodbridge, Suffolk: The Boydell Press, 2005), pp. 1-13.
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2nd Earl of Norfolk; Steward of England.
Name Suffix: II, Earl of Norfolk One of the original Magna Carta Suretie
Magna Carta Magna Carta Surety 4
Note:
Roger Bigod, 2nd earl of Norfolk, who, in the 1st year of Richard I, had a charter dated at Westminster, 27 November, reconstituting him Earl of Norfolk and steward of the household, his lordship obtaining at the same time restitution of some manors, with grants of others, and confirmation of all his wide-spreading demesnes. In the same year he was made one of the ambassadors from the English monarch to Philip of France, for obtaining aid towards the recovery of the Holy Land. Upon return of King Richard from his captivity, the Earl of Norfolk assistedat the great council held by the king at Nottingham; and at his second coronation, his lordship was one of the four earls that carried thesilken canopy over the monarch's head. In the reign of King John he was one of the barons that extorted the great Charters of Freedom from that prince, and was amongst the twenty-five lords appointed to enforce their fulfillment. His lordship m. Isabel, dau. of Hamelyn, Earl ofWarrenne and Surrey, and had issue,
Hugh, his successor.
William, m. Margaret, dau of Robert de Sutton, with whom he acquired considerable property.
Thomas.
Margery, m. to William de Hastings.
Adeliza, m. to Alberic de Vere, Earl of Oxford.
Mary, m. to Ralph Fitz-Robert, Lord of Middlesham.
The earl d. in 1220 and was s. by his eldest son, Hugh Bigod, 3rd earl.
[Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 53, Bigod, Earls of Norfolk]
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The Bigods held the hereditary office of steward (dapifer) of the royal household, and their chief castle was at Framlingham in Suffolk. [Encyclopaedia Britannica, 1961 ed, Vol. 3, pages 556/557, article Hugh Bigod, Earl of Norfolk.)
Magna Carta Magna Carta Surety 4
Note:
Roger Bigod, 2nd earl of Norfolk, who, in the 1st year of Richard I, had a charter dated at Westminster, 27 November, reconstituting him Earl of Norfolk and steward of the household, his lordship obtaining at the same time restitution of some manors, with grants of others, and confirmation of all his wide-spreading demesnes. In the same year he was made one of the ambassadors from the English monarch to Philip of France, for obtaining aid towards the recovery of the Holy Land. Upon return of King Richard from his captivity, the Earl of Norfolk assistedat the great council held by the king at Nottingham; and at his second coronation, his lordship was one of the four earls that carried thesilken canopy over the monarch's head. In the reign of King John he was one of the barons that extorted the great Charters of Freedom from that prince, and was amongst the twenty-five lords appointed to enforce their fulfillment. His lordship m. Isabel, dau. of Hamelyn, Earl ofWarrenne and Surrey, and had issue,
Hugh, his successor.
William, m. Margaret, dau of Robert de Sutton, with whom he acquired considerable property.
Thomas.
Margery, m. to William de Hastings.
Adeliza, m. to Alberic de Vere, Earl of Oxford.
Mary, m. to Ralph Fitz-Robert, Lord of Middlesham.
The earl d. in 1220 and was s. by his eldest son, Hugh Bigod, 3rd earl.
[Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 53, Bigod, Earls of Norfolk]
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The Bigods held the hereditary office of steward (dapifer) of the royal household, and their chief castle was at Framlingham in Suffolk. [Encyclopaedia Britannica, 1961 ed, Vol. 3, pages 556/557, article Hugh Bigod, Earl of Norfolk.)
Magna Carta Magna Carta Surety 4
Note:
Roger Bigod, 2nd earl of Norfolk, who, in the 1st year of Richard I, had a charter dated at Westminster, 27 November, reconstituting him Earl of Norfolk and steward of the household, his lordship obtaining at the same time restitution of some manors, with grants of others, and confirmation of all his wide-spreading demesnes. In the same year he was made one of the ambassadors from the English monarch to Philip of France, for obtaining aid towards the recovery of the Holy Land. Upon return of King Richard from his captivity, the Earl of Norfolk assistedat the great council held by the king at Nottingham; and at his second coronation, his lordship was one of the four earls that carried thesilken canopy over the monarch's head. In the reign of King John he was one of the barons that extorted the great Charters of Freedom from that prince, and was amongst the twenty-five lords appointed to enforce their fulfillment. His lordship m. Isabel, dau. of Hamelyn, Earl ofWarrenne and Surrey, and had issue,
Hugh, his successor.
William, m. Margaret, dau of Robert de Sutton, with whom he acquired considerable property.
Thomas.
Margery, m. to William de Hastings.
Adeliza, m. to Alberic de Vere, Earl of Oxford.
Mary, m. to Ralph Fitz-Robert, Lord of Middlesham.
The earl d. in 1220 and was s. by his eldest son, Hugh Bigod, 3rd earl.
[Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 53, Bigod, Earls of Norfolk]
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The Bigods held the hereditary office of steward (dapifer) of the royal household, and their chief castle was at Framlingham in Suffolk. [Encyclopaedia Britannica, 1961 ed, Vol. 3, pages 556/557, article Hugh Bigod, Earl of Norfolk.)
The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215; Frederick Lewis Weis, Th.D.; 4th ed., Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, MD, 1993. (3-1)
Basic Life Information

Roger Bigod (c. 1144/1150 - 1221) was the son of Hugh Bigod, 1st Earl of Norfolk and his first wife, Juliana de Vere. Although his father died in 1176 or 1177, Roger did not succeed to the earldom of Norfolk until 1189 for his claim had been disputed by his stepmother for her sons by Earl Hugh in the reign of Henry II. Richard I confirmed him in his earldom and other honours, and also sent him as an ambassador to France in the same year. Roger inherited his father's office as royal steward. He took part in the negotiations for the release of Richard from prison, and after the king's return to England became a justiciar.

In most of the years of the reign of King John, the earl was frequently with the king or on royal business. Yet Roger was to be one of the leaders of the baronial party which obtained John's assent to Magna Carta, and his name and that of his son and heir Hugh II appear among the twenty-five barons who were to ensure the king's adherence to the terms of that document. The pair were excommunicated by the pope in December 1215, and did not make peace with the regents of John's son Henry III until 1217.

Marriage and Children

Around Christmas 1181 Roger married Ida, apparently Ida de Tosny (or Ida de Toesny), and by her had a number of children including:
Hugh Bigod, 3rd Earl of Norfolk who married in 1206/ 1207 a daughter of William Marshal
William Bigod
Ralph Bigod
Roger Bigod
Margery, married William de Hastings
Mary Bigod, married Ralph fitz Robert

Many historians, including Marc Morris have speculated that the couple had a third daughter, Alice, who married Aubrey de Vere IV,Earl of Oxford as his second wife. If so, the marriage would have been well within the bounds of consanguinity, for the couple would have been quite closely related, a daughter of the second earl of Norfolk being first cousin once removed to the second earl of Oxford.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Bigod,_2nd_Earl_of_Norfolk>
Roger Bigod, 2nd Earl of Norfolk
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Roger Bigod (d. 1221), was the son of Hugh Bigod, 1st Earl of Norfolk and succeeded to the earldom of Norfolk, was confirmed in his earldom and other honours by Richard I, after he had fallen under the displeasure of Henry II. King Richard also sent him to France as an ambassador in 1189.

He took part in the negotiations for the release of Richard from prison, and after the king's return to England became justiciar. The earl was one of the leaders of the baronial party which obtained John's assent to Magna Carta, and his name appears among the signatories to this document.

Around Christmas 1181, Roger married Ida de Tosney, a former mistress of King Henry II, and by her had a number of children:

Hugh
William Bigod
Roger Bigod
John Bigod
Ralph Bigod
Margaret Bigod
Mary Bigod
Ida Bigod
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Sources
Liber Vitae Ecclesiae Dunelmensis, Vol.13
Morris, Marc. The Bigod Earls of Norfolk in the Thirteenth Century, 2005
Preceded by:
Hugh Bigod Earl of Norfolk Followed by:
Hugh Bigod
ROGER BIGOD, 2nd earl, born about 1150, who, in the 1st year of Richard I (1189), had a charter dated at Westminister 27 November 1189, reconstituting him Earl of Norfolk, and steward of the household, his lordship obtaining at the same time restitution of some manors, with grants of others, and confirmation of all his widespreading demesnes . In the same year he was made one of the ambassadors from the English monarch to Philip of France, for obtaining aid towards the recovery of the Holy Land. Upon the return of King Richard from his captivity, the Earl of Norfolk assisted at the great council held by the king at Nottingham ; and at his second coronation, his lordship was one of the four earls that carried the silken canopy over the monarch's head. In 1191, he was keeper of Hereford Castle. He was Chief Judge in the King's Court from 1195 to 1202. In 1200 he was sent by King John as one of his messengers to summon William the Lion, King of Scotland to do homage to him in the parliament which was held at Lincoln and subsequently attended King John into Poitou, but on his return he was won over to their cause by the rebel Barons and became one of the strongest advocates of the Charter of Liberty, for which he was excommunicated by Pope Innocent III. He died before 1221. His lordship married Isabel, daughter of Hameline Plantagenet, Earl of Warrenne and Surrey.
Chief Judge in the King's Court, 1195-1202
Baron of the Exchequer

[Weis 70] Lord High Steward of England, Magna Charta Surety, 1215.
One of the original Magna Carta Sureties
(Research):>Death note: Death Surety:2
[BIGOD-Mel Morris,10Gen Anc.FTW]

GIVN Roger
SURN BIGOD
NSFX [EARL OF NORFOLK]
AFN 83XC-NB
From Ancestral File (TM), data as of 2 January 1996.

REPO @REPO98@
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ABBR Ancestral File (TM)
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TITL Ancestral File (TM)
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DATE 23 NOV 1999
TIME 16:13:15

OCCU 2nd Earl of Norfolk ...
SOUR GWALTNEY.ANC (Compuserve)
HAWKINS.GED says 1130
http://misc.traveller.com/genealo gy/gedhtml/kmilburn/d0001/g0000032.htm#I1728
PAGE 3969098
QUAY 1
SOUR Americans of Royal Descent, Charles H. Browning, p. 11 says 1220;
GWALTNEY.ANC (Compuserve) says 1212, 3969098;
HAWKINS.GED says BEF Aug 1221;www.public.asu.edu/bgertz/family ;
ROGER BIGOD, son of HUGH BIGOD & JULIANA DE VERE, was created Earl of Norfolk in 1189, steward of England, a surety for the Magna Charta, also of Royal Descent - Americans of Royal Descent, Charles H.
Browning, p. 11
Magna Carta Baron - HAWKINS.GED
One of the 25 sureties of the Magna Carta. Steward of the Household of Richard I and one of the four earls who carried the silken canopy over the monarchs head at his coronation. -
http://gendex.com/users/daver/rigney/D0002/G0000023.html#I695
Roger, Baron le Bigod, created 1189, Earl of Norfok; lord high steward of
England - Americans of Royal Descent, Charles H. Browning, p. 67; Roger was
married more than once, p. 11; Roger le Bigod - p. 83; Surety of Magna Carta -
BOOTH.TAF (Compuserve), 71548

GIVN Roger
SURN Bigod
DATE 29 AUG 1999
TIME 07:39:26

GIVN Roger
SURN BIGOD
NSFX EARL OF NORFOLK
AFN 83XC-NB
REPO @REPO32@
TITL Ancestral File (TM)
AUTH The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
PUBL June 1998 (c), data as of 5 JAN 1998
ABBR Ancestral File (TM)
_MASTER Y

[Magna Charta Surety; 2nd Earl of Norfolk]Bigod is the name associated with Framlingham Castle in Suffolk.It is an imposing structure. The outer walls are forty-four feethigh and eight feet thick. Thirteen towers fifty-eight feet inheight remain, along with a gateway and some outworks. In earlyRoman times it was probably the site of the fortified earthwork that sheltered Saint Edmund when he fled from the Danes in 870, but we cannot be sure of the authenticity of this tradition. The Danes seized the fort, but they lost it in 921; it then remained a Crown possession, which passed into the hands of William the Conqueror when he became King. In 1100 Henry I granted the Castle to Roger Bigod, and possibly Roger was the one to erect the first masonry building. The ruins indicate a 12th Century dating, though material from an older building may very well have been used in the walls. Evidently the Castle was completely rebuilt in 1170. It remained in the Bigod family for some generations, then passed into the hands of the Mowbrays. ROGER BIGOD, the Surety, was born about 1150 and succeeded as second Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk. It is fitting that, after Richard's return to England after his captivity in Germany,Roger Bigod was chosen to be one of the four Earls who carried the silken canopy for the King, as Hugh Bigod had borne the Royal sceptre in the Royal procession. Roger Bigod was appointed in 1189 by King Richard one of the Ambassadors to King Philip of France, to obtain aid for the recovery of the Holy Land. In 1191 he was keeper of Hereford Castle. He was chief judge in the King's Court from 1195 to 1202. In 120() he was sent by King John as one of his messengers to summon William the Lion, King of Scotland, to do homage to him in the Parliament which was held at Lincoln, and subsequently attended King John into Poitou; but on his return he was won over to the opposition by the rebel Barons and became one of the strongest advocates of the Charter of Liberty, for which he was excommunicated by Pope Innocent III. He died before August 1221, having married as his first wife, Isabella daughter of Hameline Plantagenet, who was descended from the Earls ofWarren.http://www.magnacharta.org/Barons/baron_roger_bigod.htm

TITL Garner, Lorraine Ann "Lori"
PUBL P.O. Box 577, Bayview, ID 83803
Her sources included, but may not be limited to: Burke's Landed Gentry, Burke's Dormant & Extinct Peerage, Burke's Peerage of American Presidents, Debrett's Peerage, Oxford histories & "numerous
other reference works"
very good to excellent, although she has a tendency to follow Burke's
REPO
Hardcopy notes of Lori Garner Elmore.
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PLAC 1 of 4 earls who carried silken canopy over Richard's head at his 2nd coronation
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TITL University of Hull Royal Database (England)
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usually reliable but sometimes includes hypothetical lines, mythological figures, etc
REPO
WWW, University of Hull, Hull, UK HU6 7RX (XXXXX@XXXX.XXX)
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MEDI ElectronicAccoording to "Genealogical History of the Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and
Extinct Peerages of the British Empire" by Sir Bernard Burke . . . Roger Bigod, 2nd Earl , married Isabel, daughter of Hamelyn, Earl of Warrenne and Surrey, and had issue :
Hugh, his successor
William, who married Margaret, daughter of Robert de Sutton
Thomas
Margery, who married William de Hastings
Adeliza, who married Alberic de Vere, Earl of Oxford
Mary, who married Ralph Fitz-Robert, Lord of Middleham.
Roger Bigod, 2nd earl of Norfolk, who, in the 1st year of Richard I, had a charter dated at Westminster, 27 November, reconstituting him Earl of Norfolk and steward of the household, his lordship obtaining at the same time restitution of some manors, with grants of others, and confirmation of all his wide-spreading demesnes. In the same year he was made one of the ambassadors from the English monarch to Philip of France, for obtaining aid towards the recovery of the Holy Land. Upon return of King Richard from his captivity, the Earl of Norfolk assisted at the great council held by the king at Nottingham; and at his second coronation, his lordship was one of the four earls that carried the silken canopy over the monarch's head. In the reign of King John he was one of the barons that extorted the great Charters of Freedom from that prince, and was amongst the twenty-five lords appointed to enforce their fulfillment. His lordship m. Isabel, dau. of Hamelyn, Earl of Warrenne and Surrey, and had issue, built Framlingham circa 1190 - 1210. This revolutionary new castle without a keep reflected crusader experience; and is reminiscent of Byzantine fortresses. Its vast curtain-wall laced with strong towers enabled a large force including cavalry to be kept in the area of maximum defensibility.
Paul Johnson, Castles of England, Scotland and Wales, London, 1989
The Bigods held the hereditary office of steward (dapifer) of the royal household, and their chief castle was at Framlingham in Suffolk. [Encyclopaedia Britannica, 1961 ed, Vol. 3, pages 556/557, article Hugh Bigod, Earl of Norfolk
Roger Bigod, 2nd earl of Norfolk, who, in the 1st year of Richard I,had a charter dated at Westminster, 27 November, reconstituting himEarl of Norfolk and steward of the household, his lordship obtainingat the same time restitution of some manors, with grants of others,and confirmation of all his wide-spreading demesnes. In the same yearhe was made one of the ambassadors from the English monarch to Philipof France, for obtaining aid towards the recovery of the Holy Land.Upon return of King Richard from his captivity, the Earl of Norfolkassisted at the great council held by the king at Nottingham; and athis second coronation, his lordship was one of the four earls thatcarried the silken canopy over the monarch's head. In the reign ofKing John he was one of the barons that extorted the great Charters ofFreedom from that prince, and was amongst the twenty-five lordsappointed to enforce their fulfillment. His lordship m. Isabel, dau.of Hamelyn, Earl of Warrenne and Surrey, and had issue,

Hugh, his successor.
William, m. Margaret, dau of Robert de Sutton, with whom he acquiredconsiderable property.
Thomas.
Margery, m. to William de Hastings.
Adeliza, m. to Alberic de Vere, Earl of Oxford.
Mary, m. to Ralph Fitz-Robert, Lord of Middlesham.

The earl d. in 1220 and was s. by his eldest son, Hugh Bigod, 3rdearl.

[Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages,Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 53, Bigod, Earls of Norfolk]

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The Bigods held the hereditary office of steward (dapifer) of theroyal household, and their chief castle was at Framlingham in Suffolk.[Encyclopaedia Britannica, 1961 ed, Vol. 3, pages 556/557, articleHugh Bigod, Earl of Norfolk.)
GIVN Roger
SURN Bigod
NSFX [Earl Of Norfolk
AFN 83XC-NB
DATE 9 SEP 2000
TIME 13:15:53
{geni:occupation} 2nd Earl of Norfolk, Earl of Norfolk, Magna Carta Surety, Lord of Middleham, 2nd Degree E. Norfolk and Suffolk
{geni:about_me} Surety of the Magna Carta

Roger Bigod, 2nd Earl of Norfolk

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Bigod,_2nd_Earl_of_Norfolk

Roger Bigod (c. 1144/1150 – 1221) was the son of Hugh Bigod, 1st Earl of Norfolk and his first wife, Juliana de Vere. Although his father died in 1176 or 1177, Roger did not succeed to the earldom of Norfolk until 1189 for his claim had been disputed by his stepmother for her sons by Earl Hugh in the reign of Henry II. Richard I confirmed him in his earldom and other honours, and also sent him as an ambassador to France in the same year. Roger inherited his father's office as royal steward. He took part in the negotiations for the release of Richard from prison, and after the king's return to England became a justiciar.

In most of the years of the reign of King John, the earl was frequently with the king or on royal business. Yet Roger was to be one of the leaders of the baronial party which obtained John's assent to Magna Carta, and his name and that of his son and heir Hugh II appear among the twenty-five barons who were to ensure the king's adherence to the terms of that document. The pair were excommunicated by the pope in December 1215, and did not make peace with the regents of John's son Henry III until 1217.

Around Christmas 1181 Roger married Ida, apparently Ida de Tosny (or Ida de Toesny)[1], and by her had a number of children including:

Hugh Bigod, 3rd Earl of Norfolk who married in 1206/ 1207 a daughter of William Marshal

William Bigod

Ralph Bigod

Roger Bigod

Margery, married William de Hastings

Mary Bigod, married Ralph fitz Robert[2]

Many historians, including Marc Morris have speculated that the couple had a third daughter, Alice, who married Aubrey de Vere IV,Earl of Oxford as his second wife. If so, the marriage would have been well within the bounds of consanguinity, for the couple would have been quite closely related, a daughter of the second earl of Norfolk being first cousin once removed to the second earl of Oxford.

References

^ Ida de Tosny was a royal ward and mistress of King Henry II, by whom she was mother of a young son William Longespée, 3rd Earl of Salisbury) (b c. 1176-March 7, 1226). Ida was not the first English royal ward to be taken as mistress by a King who was her guardian; that honour probably belongs to Isabel de Beaumont (Elizabeth de Beaumont), daughter of Robert de Beaumont, who fought at the Battle of Hastings with the Conqueror. That king's youngest son made Beaumont's daughter his mistress. Ida's ancestry was unknown for many years, but a charter by her eldest (illegitimate) son refers to his mother as the "Countess Ida" which pins her down to the wife of Roger Bigod. For Ida's ancestry, see "Some corrections and additions to the Complete Peerage: Volume 9: Summary" and Marc Morris's The Bigod Earls of Norfolk in the Thirteenth Century

^ S. D. Church, Oxford Dictionary of National Biography

Liber Vitae Ecclesiae Dunelmensis, Vol. 13

Morris, Marc. The Bigod Earls of Norfolk in the Thirteenth Century (2005)

Foundation for Medieval Genealogy on Roger Bigod, 2nd Earl of Norfolk

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Roger Bigod (c. 1144/1150 – 1221) was the son of Hugh Bigod, 1st Earl of Norfolk and his first wife, Juliana de Vere.

Although his father died in 1176 or 1177, Roger did not succeed to the earldom of Norfolk until 1189 for his claim had been disputed by his stepmother for her sons by Earl Hugh in the reign of Henry II. Richard I confirmed him in his earldom and other honours, and also sent him as an ambassador to France in the same year. Roger inherited his father's office as royal steward. He took part in the negotiations for the release of Richard from prison, and after the king's return to England became a justiciar.

In most of the years of the reign of King John, the earl was frequently with the king or on royal business. Yet Roger was to be one of the leaders of the baronial party which obtained John's assent to Magna Carta, and his name and that of his son and heir Hugh II appear among the twenty-five barons who were to ensure the king's adherence to the terms of that document. The pair were excommunicated by the pope in December 1215, and did not make peace with the regents of John's son Henry III until 1217.

Around Christmas 1181, Roger married Ida, apparently Ida de Tosny (or Ida de Toesny), and by her had a number of children including:

Hugh Bigod, 3rd Earl of Norfolk who married in 1206/ 1207 a daughter of William Marshal

William Bigod

Ralph Bigod

Roger Bigod

Margery, married William de Hastings

Mary Bigod, married Ralph fitz Robert

Many historians, including Marc Morris have speculated that the couple had a third daughter, Alice, who married Aubrey de Vere IV,Earl of Oxford as his second wife. If so, the marriage would have been well within the bounds of consanguinity, for the couple would have been quite closely related, a daughter of the second earl of Norfolk being first cousin once removed to the second earl of Oxford.

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Marc Morris [The Bigod Earls of Norfolk in the thirteenth century (2005), p. 2], cites evidence that Roger's wife was Ida de Tosny, and that she was given to him in marriage by Henry II, together with the manors of Acle, Halvergate and South Walsham, which had been confiscated after his father's death. As Roger had been holding them for three-quarters of a year at Michaelmas 1182, Morris dates the marriage to around Christmas 1181 [citing Rotuli Hundredorum, vol. 1, pp. 504, 537; Pipe Roll 23 Henry II, pp. 125, 137; Pipe Roll 24 Henry II, pp. 26-7; Pipe Roll 28 Henry II, p. 64].

[Morris's work was pointed out by Linda Jack in September 2005. The question was also discussed by John P. Ravilious, James Cummings, Nichol Storm, Douglas Richardson, Todd A. Farmerie, Peter Stewart and Paul Reed. Item last updated 24 October 2005.]

Volume 9, page 589, note f:

Besides Hugh, the heir, there were sons [of Roger (le Bigod), Earl of Norfolk (d. 1221) and his wife Ida] William ..., Ralph ..., and Roger, ...

The Liber Vitæ of Durham, f. 63d, lists the children of Roger and Ida as Hugh, William, Roger, John, Ralph, Mary, Margaret and Ida [Surtees Society, vol. 136 (1923)].

[This evidence was presented by Rosie Bevan in July 2002.]

http://www.robertsewell.ca/bigod.html

Roger Bigod, 2nd Earl of Norfolk, built Framlingham circa 1190 - 1210. This revolutionary new castle without a keep reflected crusader experience; and is reminiscent of Byzantine fortresses. Its vast curtain-wall laced with strong towers enabled a large force including cavalry to be kept in the area of maximum defensibility.

Paul Johnson, Castles of England, Scotland and Wales, London, 1989

For more photos and details, click on Michael W. Cook's Framlingham Castle page.

The following is an excerpts are from Richard Thomson: An Historical Essay on the Magna Charta of King John, London, 1829; Pages 279 – 280:

"Roger Bigod, Earl of Norfolk, was the son of Hugh, Steward to the Kings Henry I. and II., who was descended from Roger Bigod, or Bigot, who in the time of William I. held several Manors in Norfolk; 6 Lordships in Essex; and and 117 in Sufolk. Camden, in his Remains, Lond. 1636, 4to. page 123, states the name to be Norman, signifying Superstitious, or a Bigot; a word of which the Etymology remains yet uncertain, though it is allowed to have been adopted from that language."

"Camden adds, that the people of France used to call the Normans Bigods, because at every other word they would swear by God; and hence the family of Bigod coming from Normandy,was known by this national characteristic name. In 1189, the 1st of Richard I., a charter was issued, dated Westminster, Nov. 97th by which Roger Bigod was constituted Earl of Norfolk the office of Steward was also confirmed to him, to gether with several Lordships, for all which he gave the King the sum of 1000 marks or £660 13s. 4d."

"In the 15th year of the same King, he attended him into Poictou; in 1215 he was one of the Baronial party which exacted from him the Great Charter; and was appointed one of the 25 Securities of that instrument, for which he was excommunicated by Pope Innocent III. . . . and his son Hugh succeeded him in his estates in 1220-21, the 5th of Henry III., in which year Roger Bigod is supposed to have died."

Richard Thomson also mentions: "He married Isabel, daughter of Hameline, Earl of Warren and Surrey . . . "

. . . Richard Thomson: An Historical Essay on the Magna Charta of King John, London, 1829; Page 280

More recent sources agree that Roger Bigod married Ida de Tosny, who was very likely a daughter of Ralph V de Tosny (died 1162) and his wife Margaret (born circa 1125 and living in 1185), a daughter of Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester. However, absolute and conclusive evidence of Ida's parentage is lacking. Prior to marrying Roger Bigod, Ida was a "girlfriend" of King Henry II and mother of William Longespée.

See Douglas Richardson: Plantagenet Ancestry, Baltimore, 2004, pages 456 – 457

and Marc Morris: The Bigod Earls of Norfolk in the Thirteenth Century, Woodbridge, Suffolk, 2005, page 2

Roger married around Christmas 1181 to Ida de Tosny and they had the following children:

* Hugh Bigod

* Mary Bigod who married the Yorkshire baron Ranulf fitz Robert.

* Margaret Bigod who married the royal steward William de Hastings.

* Alice Bigod who married Aubrey IV de Vere, 2nd Earl of Oxford (1163 - 1214, d.s.p.)

* Roger Bigod

* Ralph Bigod

* William Bigod

* John Bigod

http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/p387.htm#i6921

Roger le Bigod the Surety, Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk

b. circa 1150, d. 1220

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FatherHugh le Bigod, 1st Earl of Norfolk b. before 1107, d. 1177

MotherJuliane de Vere, Countess of Norfolk1 b. circa 1129, d. 1200

Roger le Bigod the Surety, Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk was 15th in descent from Sveide the Viking.2 He had two wives, Ida de Thouy and Isabella de Warenne.3 Arms: Or, a cross gules.4 He was born circa 1150 at Norfolk, Norfolk, England.2 He was the son of Hugh le Bigod, 1st Earl of Norfolk and Juliane de Vere, Countess of Norfolk.1 Roger le Bigod the Surety, Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk married Countess Ida de Tosny, daughter of seigneur de Conches Roger III de Tosny and Gertrud de Hainaut, before 1184.5 Roger le Bigod the Surety, Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk married Isabel de Warenne, daughter of Hamelin, 5th Earl of Surrey jure uxoris and Isabelle de Varennes.5,6 Roger le Bigod the Surety, Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk made a gift to Dodnash Priory of a tenement and land at East Bergholt, a holding perhaps of Countess Ida's, whose possible mother Ida of Hainault received it from King Henry I, between 1189 and 1221 at Suffolk, England.7 He reconstituted Earl of Norfolk, and steward of the household, and at the same time obtained restitution of some manors, with grants of others, and confirmation of all his widespread demesnes, in a charter on 27 November 1189 at 1 Richard I, Westminster, England.1 2nd Earl Bigod of Norfolk and Suffolk between 27 November 1189 and 1221.8 The Signing of the Magna Carta on 15 June 1215 at Runnymede, between Windsor and Staines, Surrey, England. He was was a Surety Baron for the Magna Carta, at Runnymede on 15 June 1215.2 He died in 1220 at Thetford, Norfolk, England.2,1

Family 1

Countess Ida de Tosny b. circa 1155

Children

* Mary Bigod+ b. c 11841

* Margery Bigod+ b. c 11851

* Hugh le Bigod the Surety, 3rd Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk+ b. c 1186, d. Feb 12452

* Adeliza Bigod b. c 11871

* William Bigod b. c 11871

Family 2

Isabel de Warenne b. circa 1165

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Roger Bigod, 2nd Earl of Norfolk

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Bigod,_2nd_Earl_of_Norfolk

Roger Bigod (c. 1144/1150 – 1221) was the son of Hugh Bigod, 1st Earl of Norfolk and his first wife, Juliana de Vere. Although his father died in 1176 or 1177, Roger did not succeed to the earldom of Norfolk until 1189 for his claim had been disputed by his stepmother for her sons by Earl Hugh in the reign of Henry II. Richard I confirmed him in his earldom and other honours, and also sent him as an ambassador to France in the same year. Roger inherited his father's office as royal steward. He took part in the negotiations for the release of Richard from prison, and after the king's return to England became a justiciar.

In most of the years of the reign of King John, the earl was frequently with the king or on royal business. Yet Roger was to be one of the leaders of the baronial party which obtained John's assent to Magna Carta, and his name and that of his son and heir Hugh II appear among the twenty-five barons who were to ensure the king's adherence to the terms of that document. The pair were excommunicated by the pope in December 1215, and did not make peace with the regents of John's son Henry III until 1217.

Around Christmas 1181 Roger married Ida, apparently Ida de Tosny (or Ida de Toesny)[1], and by her had a number of children including:

Hugh Bigod, 3rd Earl of Norfolk who married in 1206/ 1207 a daughter of William Marshal

William Bigod

Ralph Bigod

Roger Bigod

Margery, married William de Hastings

Mary Bigod, married Ralph fitz Robert[2]

Many historians, including Marc Morris have speculated that the couple had a third daughter, Alice, who married Aubrey de Vere IV,Earl of Oxford as his second wife. If so, the marriage would have been well within the bounds of consanguinity, for the couple would have been quite closely related, a daughter of the second earl of Norfolk being first cousin once removed to the second earl of Oxford.

References

^ Ida de Tosny was a royal ward and mistress of King Henry II, by whom she was mother of a young son William Longespée, 3rd Earl of Salisbury) (b c. 1176-March 7, 1226). Ida was not the first English royal ward to be taken as mistress by a King who was her guardian; that honour probably belongs to Isabel de Beaumont (Elizabeth de Beaumont), daughter of Robert de Beaumont, who fought at the Battle of Hastings with the Conqueror. That king's youngest son made Beaumont's daughter his mistress. Ida's ancestry was unknown for many years, but a charter by her eldest (illegitimate) son refers to his mother as the "Countess Ida" which pins her down to the wife of Roger Bigod. For Ida's ancestry, see "Some corrections and additions to the Complete Peerage: Volume 9: Summary" and Marc Morris's The Bigod Earls of Norfolk in the Thirteenth Century

^ S. D. Church, Oxford Dictionary of National Biography

Liber Vitae Ecclesiae Dunelmensis, Vol. 13

Morris, Marc. The Bigod Earls of Norfolk in the Thirteenth Century (2005)

Foundation for Medieval Genealogy on Roger Bigod, 2nd Earl of Norfolk

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Roger Bigod (c. 1144/1150 – 1221) was the son of Hugh Bigod, 1st Earl of Norfolk and his first wife, Juliana de Vere.

Although his father died in 1176 or 1177, Roger did not succeed to the earldom of Norfolk until 1189 for his claim had been disputed by his stepmother for her sons by Earl Hugh in the reign of Henry II. Richard I confirmed him in his earldom and other honours, and also sent him as an ambassador to France in the same year. Roger inherited his father's office as royal steward. He took part in the negotiations for the release of Richard from prison, and after the king's return to England became a justiciar.

In most of the years of the reign of King John, the earl was frequently with the king or on royal business. Yet Roger was to be one of the leaders of the baronial party which obtained John's assent to Magna Carta, and his name and that of his son and heir Hugh II appear among the twenty-five barons who were to ensure the king's adherence to the terms of that document. The pair were excommunicated by the pope in December 1215, and did not make peace with the regents of John's son Henry III until 1217.

Around Christmas 1181, Roger married Ida, apparently Ida de Tosny (or Ida de Toesny), and by her had a number of children including:

Hugh Bigod, 3rd Earl of Norfolk who married in 1206/ 1207 a daughter of William Marshal

William Bigod

Ralph Bigod

Roger Bigod

Margery, married William de Hastings

Mary Bigod, married Ralph fitz Robert

Many historians, including Marc Morris have speculated that the couple had a third daughter, Alice, who married Aubrey de Vere IV,Earl of Oxford as his second wife. If so, the marriage would have been well within the bounds of consanguinity, for the couple would have been quite closely related, a daughter of the second earl of Norfolk being first cousin once removed to the second earl of Oxford.

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Marc Morris [The Bigod Earls of Norfolk in the thirteenth century (2005), p. 2], cites evidence that Roger's wife was Ida de Tosny, and that she was given to him in marriage by Henry II, together with the manors of Acle, Halvergate and South Walsham, which had been confiscated after his father's death. As Roger had been holding them for three-quarters of a year at Michaelmas 1182, Morris dates the marriage to around Christmas 1181 [citing Rotuli Hundredorum, vol. 1, pp. 504, 537; Pipe Roll 23 Henry II, pp. 125, 137; Pipe Roll 24 Henry II, pp. 26-7; Pipe Roll 28 Henry II, p. 64].

[Morris's work was pointed out by Linda Jack in September 2005. The question was also discussed by John P. Ravilious, James Cummings, Nichol Storm, Douglas Richardson, Todd A. Farmerie, Peter Stewart and Paul Reed. Item last updated 24 October 2005.]

Volume 9, page 589, note f:

Besides Hugh, the heir, there were sons [of Roger (le Bigod), Earl of Norfolk (d. 1221) and his wife Ida] William ..., Ralph ..., and Roger, ...

The Liber Vitæ of Durham, f. 63d, lists the children of Roger and Ida as Hugh, William, Roger, John, Ralph, Mary, Margaret and Ida [Surtees Society, vol. 136 (1923)].

[This evidence was presented by Rosie Bevan in July 2002.]

http://www.robertsewell.ca/bigod.html

Roger Bigod, 2nd Earl of Norfolk, built Framlingham circa 1190 - 1210. This revolutionary new castle without a keep reflected crusader experience; and is reminiscent of Byzantine fortresses. Its vast curtain-wall laced with strong towers enabled a large force including cavalry to be kept in the area of maximum defensibility.

Paul Johnson, Castles of England, Scotland and Wales, London, 1989

For more photos and details, click on Michael W. Cook's Framlingham Castle page.

The following is an excerpts are from Richard Thomson: An Historical Essay on the Magna Charta of King John, London, 1829; Pages 279 – 280:

"Roger Bigod, Earl of Norfolk, was the son of Hugh, Steward to the Kings Henry I. and II., who was descended from Roger Bigod, or Bigot, who in the time of William I. held several Manors in Norfolk; 6 Lordships in Essex; and and 117 in Sufolk. Camden, in his Remains, Lond. 1636, 4to. page 123, states the name to be Norman, signifying Superstitious, or a Bigot; a word of which the Etymology remains yet uncertain, though it is allowed to have been adopted from that language."

"Camden adds, that the people of France used to call the Normans Bigods, because at every other word they would swear by God; and hence the family of Bigod coming from Normandy,was known by this national characteristic name. In 1189, the 1st of Richard I., a charter was issued, dated Westminster, Nov. 97th by which Roger Bigod was constituted Earl of Norfolk the office of Steward was also confirmed to him, to gether with several Lordships, for all which he gave the King the sum of 1000 marks or £660 13s. 4d."

"In the 15th year of the same King, he attended him into Poictou; in 1215 he was one of the Baronial party which exacted from him the Great Charter; and was appointed one of the 25 Securities of that instrument, for which he was excommunicated by Pope Innocent III. . . . and his son Hugh succeeded him in his estates in 1220-21, the 5th of Henry III., in which year Roger Bigod is supposed to have died."

Richard Thomson also mentions: "He married Isabel, daughter of Hameline, Earl of Warren and Surrey . . . "

. . . Richard Thomson: An Historical Essay on the Magna Charta of King John, London, 1829; Page 280

More recent sources agree that Roger Bigod married Ida de Tosny, who was very likely a daughter of Ralph V de Tosny (died 1162) and his wife Margaret (born circa 1125 and living in 1185), a daughter of Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester. However, absolute and conclusive evidence of Ida's parentage is lacking. Prior to marrying Roger Bigod, Ida was a "girlfriend" of King Henry II and mother of William Longespée.

See Douglas Richardson: Plantagenet Ancestry, Baltimore, 2004, pages 456 – 457

and Marc Morris: The Bigod Earls of Norfolk in the Thirteenth Century, Woodbridge, Suffolk, 2005, page 2

Roger married around Christmas 1181 to Ida de Tosny and they had the following children:

* Hugh Bigod

* Mary Bigod who married the Yorkshire baron Ranulf fitz Robert.

* Margaret Bigod who married the royal steward William de Hastings.

* Alice Bigod who married Aubrey IV de Vere, 2nd Earl of Oxford (1163 - 1214, d.s.p.)

* Roger Bigod

* Ralph Bigod

* William Bigod

* John Bigod

http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/p387.htm#i6921

Roger le Bigod the Surety, Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk

b. circa 1150, d. 1220

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FatherHugh le Bigod, 1st Earl of Norfolk b. before 1107, d. 1177

MotherJuliane de Vere, Countess of Norfolk1 b. circa 1129, d. 1200

Roger le Bigod the Surety, Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk was 15th in descent from Sveide the Viking.2 He had two wives, Ida de Thouy and Isabella de Warenne.3 Arms: Or, a cross gules.4 He was born circa 1150 at Norfolk, Norfolk, England.2 He was the son of Hugh le Bigod, 1st Earl of Norfolk and Juliane de Vere, Countess of Norfolk.1 Roger le Bigod the Surety, Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk married Countess Ida de Tosny, daughter of seigneur de Conches Roger III de Tosny and Gertrud de Hainaut, before 1184.5 Roger le Bigod the Surety, Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk married Isabel de Warenne, daughter of Hamelin, 5th Earl of Surrey jure uxoris and Isabelle de Varennes.5,6 Roger le Bigod the Surety, Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk made a gift to Dodnash Priory of a tenement and land at East Bergholt, a holding perhaps of Countess Ida's, whose possible mother Ida of Hainault received it from King Henry I, between 1189 and 1221 at Suffolk, England.7 He reconstituted Earl of Norfolk, and steward of the household, and at the same time obtained restitution of some manors, with grants of others, and confirmation of all his widespread demesnes, in a charter on 27 November 1189 at 1 Richard I, Westminster, England.1 2nd Earl Bigod of Norfolk and Suffolk between 27 November 1189 and 1221.8 The Signing of the Magna Carta on 15 June 1215 at Runnymede, between Windsor and Staines, Surrey, England. He was was a Surety Baron for the Magna Carta, at Runnymede on 15 June 1215.2 He died in 1220 at Thetford, Norfolk, England.2,1

Family 1

Countess Ida de Tosny b. circa 1155

Children

* Mary Bigod+ b. c 11841

* Margery Bigod+ b. c 11851

* Hugh le Bigod the Surety, 3rd Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk+ b. c 1186, d. Feb 12452

* Adeliza Bigod b. c 11871

* William Bigod b. c 11871

Family 2

Isabel de Warenne b. circa 1165

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Bigod,_2nd_Earl_of_Norfolk

Roger Bigod (c. 1144/1150 – 1221) was the son of Hugh Bigod, 1st Earl of Norfolk and his first wife, Juliana de Vere. Although his father died in 1176 or 1177, Roger did not succeed to the earldom of Norfolk until 1189 for his claim had been disputed by his stepmother for her sons by Earl Hugh in the reign of Henry II. Richard I confirmed him in his earldom and other honours, and also sent him as an ambassador to France in the same year. Roger inherited his father's office as royal steward. He took part in the negotiations for the release of Richard from prison, and after the king's return to England became a justiciar.

In most of the years of the reign of King John, the earl was frequently with the king or on royal business. Yet Roger was to be one of the leaders of the baronial party which obtained John's assent to Magna Carta, and his name and that of his son and heir Hugh II appear among the twenty-five barons who were to ensure the king's adherence to the terms of that document. The pair were excommunicated by the pope in December 1215, and did not make peace with the regents of John's son Henry III until 1217.

Around Christmas 1181, Roger married Ida, apparently Ida de Tosny (or Ida de Toesny)[1], and by her had a number of children including:

1. Hugh Bigod, 3rd Earl of Norfolk who married in 1206/ 1207, Maud, a daughter of William Marshal

2. William Bigod

3. Ralph Bigod

4. Roger Bigod

5. Margery, married William de Hastings

6. Mary Bigod, married Ralph fitz Robert[2]

Many historians, including Marc Morris have speculated that the couple had a third daughter, Alice, who married Aubrey de Vere IV,Earl of Oxford as his second wife. If so, the marriage would have been well within the bounds of consanguinity, for the couple would have been quite closely related, a daughter of the second earl of Norfolk being first cousin once removed to the second earl of Oxford.

[edit] References

1. ^ Ida de Tosny was a royal ward and mistress of King Henry II, by whom she was mother of a young son William Longespée, 3rd Earl of Salisbury) (b c. 1176-March 7, 1226). Ida was not the first English royal ward to be taken as mistress by a King who was her guardian; that honour probably belongs to Isabel de Beaumont (Elizabeth de Beaumont), daughter of Robert de Beaumont, who fought at the Battle of Hastings with the Conqueror. That king's youngest son made Beaumont's daughter his mistress. Ida's ancestry was unknown for many years, but a charter by her eldest (illegitimate) son refers to his mother as the "Countess Ida" which pins her down to the wife of Roger Bigod. For Ida's ancestry, see "Some corrections and additions to the Complete Peerage: Volume 9: Summary" and Marc Morris's The Bigod Earls of Norfolk in the Thirteenth Century

2. ^ S. D. Church, Oxford Dictionary of National Biography

* Liber Vitae Ecclesiae Dunelmensis, Vol. 13

* Morris, Marc. The Bigod Earls of Norfolk in the Thirteenth Century (2005)

* Foundation for Medieval Genealogy on Roger Bigod, 2nd Earl of Norfolk

http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/p387.htm#i6921

Roger le Bigod the Surety, Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk

b. circa 1150, d. 1220

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FatherHugh le Bigod, 1st Earl of Norfolk b. before 1107, d. 1177

MotherJuliane de Vere, Countess of Norfolk1 b. circa 1129, d. 1200

Roger le Bigod the Surety, Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk was 15th in descent from Sveide the Viking.2 He had two wives, Ida de Thouy and Isabella de Warenne.3 Arms: Or, a cross gules.4 He was born circa 1150 at Norfolk, Norfolk, England.2 He was the son of Hugh le Bigod, 1st Earl of Norfolk and Juliane de Vere, Countess of Norfolk.1 Roger le Bigod the Surety, Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk married Countess Ida de Tosny, daughter of seigneur de Conches Roger III de Tosny and Gertrud de Hainaut, before 1184.5 Roger le Bigod the Surety, Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk married Isabel de Warenne, daughter of Hamelin, 5th Earl of Surrey jure uxoris and Isabelle de Varennes.5,6 Roger le Bigod the Surety, Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk made a gift to Dodnash Priory of a tenement and land at East Bergholt, a holding perhaps of Countess Ida's, whose possible mother Ida of Hainault received it from King Henry I, between 1189 and 1221 at Suffolk, England.7 He reconstituted Earl of Norfolk, and steward of the household, and at the same time obtained restitution of some manors, with grants of others, and confirmation of all his widespread demesnes, in a charter on 27 November 1189 at 1 Richard I, Westminster, England.1 2nd Earl Bigod of Norfolk and Suffolk between 27 November 1189 and 1221.8 The Signing of the Magna Carta on 15 June 1215 at Runnymede, between Windsor and Staines, Surrey, England. He was was a Surety Baron for the Magna Carta, at Runnymede on 15 June 1215.2 He died in 1220 at Thetford, Norfolk, England.2,1

Family 1

Countess Ida de Tosny b. circa 1155

Children

* Mary Bigod+ b. c 11841

* Margery Bigod+ b. c 11851

* Hugh le Bigod the Surety, 3rd Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk+ b. c 1186, d. Feb 12452

* Adeliza Bigod b. c 11871

* William Bigod b. c 11871

Family 2

Isabel de Warenne b. circa 1165

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Bigod,_2nd_Earl_of_Norfolk

Roger Bigod (c. 1144/1150 – 1221) was the son of Hugh Bigod, 1st Earl of Norfolk and his first wife, Juliana de Vere. Although his father died in 1176 or 1177, Roger did not succeed to the earldom of Norfolk until 1189 for his claim had been disputed by his stepmother for her sons by Earl Hugh in the reign of Henry II. Richard I confirmed him in his earldom and other honours, and also sent him as an ambassador to France in the same year. Roger inherited his father's office as royal steward. He took part in the negotiations for the release of Richard from prison, and after the king's return to England became a justiciar.

In most of the years of the reign of King John, the earl was frequently with the king or on royal business. Yet Roger was to be one of the leaders of the baronial party which obtained John's assent to Magna Carta, and his name and that of his son and heir Hugh II appear among the twenty-five barons who were to ensure the king's adherence to the terms of that document. The pair were excommunicated by the pope in December 1215, and did not make peace with the regents of John's son Henry III until 1217.

Around Christmas 1181, Roger married Ida, apparently Ida de Tosny (or Ida de Toesny), and by her had a number of children including:

1.Hugh Bigod, 3rd Earl of Norfolk who married in 1206/ 1207, Maud, a daughter of William Marshal

2.William Bigod

3.Ralph Bigod

4.Roger Bigod

5.Margery, married William de Hastings

6.Mary Bigod, married Ralph fitz Robert

Many historians, including Marc Morris have speculated that the couple had a third daughter, Alice, who married Aubrey de Vere IV, Earl of Oxford as his second wife. If so, the marriage would have been well within the bounds of consanguinity, for the couple would have been quite closely related, a daughter of the second earl of Norfolk being first cousin once removed to the second earl of Oxford.

References

1.^ Ida de Tosny was a royal ward and mistress of King Henry II, by whom she was mother of a young son William Longespée, 3rd Earl of Salisbury) (b c. 1176-March 7, 1226). Ida was not the first English royal ward to be taken as mistress by a King who was her guardian; that honour probably belongs to Isabel de Beaumont (Elizabeth de Beaumont), daughter of Robert de Beaumont, who fought at the Battle of Hastings with the Conqueror. That king's youngest son made Beaumont's daughter his mistress. Ida's ancestry was unknown for many years, but a charter by her eldest (illegitimate) son refers to his mother as the "Countess Ida" which pins her down to the wife of Roger Bigod. For Ida's ancestry, see "Some corrections and additions to the Complete Peerage: Volume 9: Summary" and Marc Morris's The Bigod Earls of Norfolk in the Thirteenth Century

2.^ S. D. Church, Oxford Dictionary of National Biography

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Bigod,_2nd_Earl_of_Norfolk

Roger Bigod (c. 1144/1150 – 1221) was the son of Hugh Bigod, 1st Earl of Norfolk and his first wife, Juliana de Vere. Although his father died in 1176 or 1177, Roger did not succeed to the earldom of Norfolk until 1189 for his claim had been disputed by his stepmother for her sons by Earl Hugh in the reign of Henry II. Richard I confirmed him in his earldom and other honours, and also sent him as an ambassador to France in the same year. Roger inherited his father's office as royal steward. He took part in the negotiations for the release of Richard from prison, and after the king's return to England became a justiciar.

In most of the years of the reign of King John, the earl was frequently with the king or on royal business. Yet Roger was to be one of the leaders of the baronial party which obtained John's assent to Magna Carta, and his name and that of his son and heir Hugh II appear among the twenty-five barons who were to ensure the king's adherence to the terms of that document. The pair were excommunicated by the pope in December 1215, and did not make peace with the regents of John's son Henry III until 1217.

Around Christmas 1181, Roger married Ida, apparently Ida de Tosny (or Ida de Toesny)[1], and by her had a number of children including:

1. Hugh Bigod, 3rd Earl of Norfolk who married in 1206/ 1207, Maud, a daughter of William Marshal

2. William Bigod

3. Ralph Bigod

4. Roger Bigod

5. Margery, married William de Hastings

6. Mary Bigod, married Ralph fitz Robert[2]

Many historians, including Marc Morris have speculated that the couple had a third daughter, Alice, who married Aubrey de Vere IV,Earl of Oxford as his second wife. If so, the marriage would have been well within the bounds of consanguinity, for the couple would have been quite closely related, a daughter of the second earl of Norfolk being first cousin once removed to the second earl of Oxford.

[edit] References

1. ^ Ida de Tosny was a royal ward and mistress of King Henry II, by whom she was mother of a young son William Longespée, 3rd Earl of Salisbury) (b c. 1176-March 7, 1226). Ida was not the first English royal ward to be taken as mistress by a King who was her guardian; that honour probably belongs to Isabel de Beaumont (Elizabeth de Beaumont), daughter of Robert de Beaumont, who fought at the Battle of Hastings with the Conqueror. That king's youngest son made Beaumont's daughter his mistress. Ida's ancestry was unknown for many years, but a charter by her eldest (illegitimate) son refers to his mother as the "Countess Ida" which pins her down to the wife of Roger Bigod. For Ida's ancestry, see "Some corrections and additions to the Complete Peerage: Volume 9: Summary" and Marc Morris's The Bigod Earls of Norfolk in the Thirteenth Century

2. ^ S. D. Church, Oxford Dictionary of National Biography

* Liber Vitae Ecclesiae Dunelmensis, Vol. 13

* Morris, Marc. The Bigod Earls of Norfolk in the Thirteenth Century (2005)

* Foundation for Medieval Genealogy on Roger Bigod, 2nd Earl of Norfolk

http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/p387.htm#i6921

Roger le Bigod the Surety, Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk

b. circa 1150, d. 1220

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FatherHugh le Bigod, 1st Earl of Norfolk b. before 1107, d. 1177

MotherJuliane de Vere, Countess of Norfolk1 b. circa 1129, d. 1200

Roger le Bigod the Surety, Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk was 15th in descent from Sveide the Viking.2 He had two wives, Ida de Thouy and Isabella de Warenne.3 Arms: Or, a cross gules.4 He was born circa 1150 at Norfolk, Norfolk, England.2 He was the son of Hugh le Bigod, 1st Earl of Norfolk and Juliane de Vere, Countess of Norfolk.1 Roger le Bigod the Surety, Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk married Countess Ida de Tosny, daughter of seigneur de Conches Roger III de Tosny and Gertrud de Hainaut, before 1184.5 Roger le Bigod the Surety, Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk married Isabel de Warenne, daughter of Hamelin, 5th Earl of Surrey jure uxoris and Isabelle de Varennes.5,6 Roger le Bigod the Surety, Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk made a gift to Dodnash Priory of a tenement and land at East Bergholt, a holding perhaps of Countess Ida's, whose possible mother Ida of Hainault received it from King Henry I, between 1189 and 1221 at Suffolk, England.7 He reconstituted Earl of Norfolk, and steward of the household, and at the same time obtained restitution of some manors, with grants of others, and confirmation of all his widespread demesnes, in a charter on 27 November 1189 at 1 Richard I, Westminster, England.1 2nd Earl Bigod of Norfolk and Suffolk between 27 November 1189 and 1221.8 The Signing of the Magna Carta on 15 June 1215 at Runnymede, between Windsor and Staines, Surrey, England. He was was a Surety Baron for the Magna Carta, at Runnymede on 15 June 1215.2 He died in 1220 at Thetford, Norfolk, England.2,1

Family 1

Countess Ida de Tosny b. circa 1155

Children

* Mary Bigod+ b. c 11841

* Margery Bigod+ b. c 11851

* Hugh le Bigod the Surety, 3rd Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk+ b. c 1186, d. Feb 12452

* Adeliza Bigod b. c 11871

* William Bigod b. c 11871

Family 2

Isabel de Warenne b. circa 1165

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Bigod,_2nd_Earl_of_Norfolk

Roger Bigod (c. 1144/1150 – 1221) was the son of Hugh Bigod, 1st Earl of Norfolk and his first wife, Juliana de Vere. Although his father died in 1176 or 1177, Roger did not succeed to the earldom of Norfolk until 1189 for his claim had been disputed by his stepmother for her sons by Earl Hugh in the reign of Henry II. Richard I confirmed him in his earldom and other honours, and also sent him as an ambassador to France in the same year. Roger inherited his father's office as royal steward. He took part in the negotiations for the release of Richard from prison, and after the king's return to England became a justiciar.

In most of the years of the reign of King John, the earl was frequently with the king or on royal business. Yet Roger was to be one of the leaders of the baronial party which obtained John's assent to Magna Carta, and his name and that of his son and heir Hugh II appear among the twenty-five barons who were to ensure the king's adherence to the terms of that document. The pair were excommunicated by the pope in December 1215, and did not make peace with the regents of John's son Henry III until 1217.

Around Christmas 1181, Roger married Ida, apparently Ida de Tosny (or Ida de Toesny)[1], and by her had a number of children including:

1. Hugh Bigod, 3rd Earl of Norfolk who married in 1206/ 1207, Maud, a daughter of William Marshal

2. William Bigod

3. Ralph Bigod

4. Roger Bigod

5. Margery, married William de Hastings

6. Mary Bigod, married Ralph fitz Robert[2]

Many historians, including Marc Morris have speculated that the couple had a third daughter, Alice, who married Aubrey de Vere IV,Earl of Oxford as his second wife. If so, the marriage would have been well within the bounds of consanguinity, for the couple would have been quite closely related, a daughter of the second earl of Norfolk being first cousin once removed to the second earl of Oxford.

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1. ^ Ida de Tosny was a royal ward and mistress of King Henry II, by whom she was mother of a young son William Longespée, 3rd Earl of Salisbury) (b c. 1176-March 7, 1226). Ida was not the first English royal ward to be taken as mistress by a King who was her guardian; that honour probably belongs to Isabel de Beaumont (Elizabeth de Beaumont), daughter of Robert de Beaumont, who fought at the Battle of Hastings with the Conqueror. That king's youngest son made Beaumont's daughter his mistress. Ida's ancestry was unknown for many years, but a charter by her eldest (illegitimate) son refers to his mother as the "Countess Ida" which pins her down to the wife of Roger Bigod. For Ida's ancestry, see "Some corrections and additions to the Complete Peerage: Volume 9: Summary" and Marc Morris's The Bigod Earls of Norfolk in the Thirteenth Century

2. ^ S. D. Church, Oxford Dictionary of National Biography

* Liber Vitae Ecclesiae Dunelmensis, Vol. 13

* Morris, Marc. The Bigod Earls of Norfolk in the Thirteenth Century (2005)

* Foundation for Medieval Genealogy on Roger Bigod, 2nd Earl of Norfolk

http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/p387.htm#i6921

Roger le Bigod the Surety, Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk

b. circa 1150, d. 1220

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FatherHugh le Bigod, 1st Earl of Norfolk b. before 1107, d. 1177

MotherJuliane de Vere, Countess of Norfolk1 b. circa 1129, d. 1200

Roger le Bigod the Surety, Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk was 15th in descent from Sveide the Viking.2 He had two wives, Ida de Thouy and Isabella de Warenne.3 Arms: Or, a cross gules.4 He was born circa 1150 at Norfolk, Norfolk, England.2 He was the son of Hugh le Bigod, 1st Earl of Norfolk and Juliane de Vere, Countess of Norfolk.1 Roger le Bigod the Surety, Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk married Countess Ida de Tosny, daughter of seigneur de Conches Roger III de Tosny and Gertrud de Hainaut, before 1184.5 Roger le Bigod the Surety, Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk married Isabel de Warenne, daughter of Hamelin, 5th Earl of Surrey jure uxoris and Isabelle de Varennes.5,6 Roger le Bigod the Surety, Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk made a gift to Dodnash Priory of a tenement and land at East Bergholt, a holding perhaps of Countess Ida's, whose possible mother Ida of Hainault received it from King Henry I, between 1189 and 1221 at Suffolk, England.7 He reconstituted Earl of Norfolk, and steward of the household, and at the same time obtained restitution of some manors, with grants of others, and confirmation of all his widespread demesnes, in a charter on 27 November 1189 at 1 Richard I, Westminster, England.1 2nd Earl Bigod of Norfolk and Suffolk between 27 November 1189 and 1221.8 The Signing of the Magna Carta on 15 June 1215 at Runnymede, between Windsor and Staines, Surrey, England. He was was a Surety Baron for the Magna Carta, at Runnymede on 15 June 1215.2 He died in 1220 at Thetford, Norfolk, England.2,1

Family 1

Countess Ida de Tosny b. circa 1155

Children

* Mary Bigod+ b. c 11841

* Margery Bigod+ b. c 11851

* Hugh le Bigod the Surety, 3rd Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk+ b. c 1186, d. Feb 12452

* Adeliza Bigod b. c 11871

* William Bigod b. c 11871

Family 2

Isabel de Warenne b. circa 1165

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Roger Bigod, 2nd Earl of Norfolk

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Bigod,_2nd_Earl_of_Norfolk

Roger Bigod (c. 1144/1150 – 1221) was the son of Hugh Bigod, 1st Earl of Norfolk and his first wife, Juliana de Vere. Although his father died in 1176 or 1177, Roger did not succeed to the earldom of Norfolk until 1189 for his claim had been disputed by his stepmother for her sons by Earl Hugh in the reign of Henry II. Richard I confirmed him in his earldom and other honours, and also sent him as an ambassador to France in the same year. Roger inherited his father's office as royal steward. He took part in the negotiations for the release of Richard from prison, and after the king's return to England became a justiciar.

In most of the years of the reign of King John, the earl was frequently with the king or on royal business. Yet Roger was to be one of the leaders of the baronial party which obtained John's assent to Magna Carta, and his name and that of his son and heir Hugh II appear among the twenty-five barons who were to ensure the king's adherence to the terms of that document. The pair were excommunicated by the pope in December 1215, and did not make peace with the regents of John's son Henry III until 1217.

Around Christmas 1181 Roger married Ida, apparently Ida de Tosny (or Ida de Toesny)[1], and by her had a number of children including:

Hugh Bigod, 3rd Earl of Norfolk who married in 1206/ 1207 a daughter of William Marshal

William Bigod

Ralph Bigod

Roger Bigod

Margery, married William de Hastings

Mary Bigod, married Ralph fitz Robert[2]

Many historians, including Marc Morris have speculated that the couple had a third daughter, Alice, who married Aubrey de Vere IV,Earl of Oxford as his second wife. If so, the marriage would have been well within the bounds of consanguinity, for the couple would have been quite closely related, a daughter of the second earl of Norfolk being first cousin once removed to the second earl of Oxford.

References

^ Ida de Tosny was a royal ward and mistress of King Henry II, by whom she was mother of a young son William Longespée, 3rd Earl of Salisbury) (b c. 1176-March 7, 1226). Ida was not the first English royal ward to be taken as mistress by a King who was her guardian; that honour probably belongs to Isabel de Beaumont (Elizabeth de Beaumont), daughter of Robert de Beaumont, who fought at the Battle of Hastings with the Conqueror. That king's youngest son made Beaumont's daughter his mistress. Ida's ancestry was unknown for many years, but a charter by her eldest (illegitimate) son refers to his mother as the "Countess Ida" which pins her down to the wife of Roger Bigod. For Ida's ancestry, see "Some corrections and additions to the Complete Peerage: Volume 9: Summary" and Marc Morris's The Bigod Earls of Norfolk in the Thirteenth Century

^ S. D. Church, Oxford Dictionary of National Biography

Liber Vitae Ecclesiae Dunelmensis, Vol. 13

Morris, Marc. The Bigod Earls of Norfolk in the Thirteenth Century (2005)

Foundation for Medieval Genealogy on Roger Bigod, 2nd Earl of Norfolk

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Roger Bigod (c. 1144/1150 – 1221) was the son of Hugh Bigod, 1st Earl of Norfolk and his first wife, Juliana de Vere.

Although his father died in 1176 or 1177, Roger did not succeed to the earldom of Norfolk until 1189 for his claim had been disputed by his stepmother for her sons by Earl Hugh in the reign of Henry II. Richard I confirmed him in his earldom and other honours, and also sent him as an ambassador to France in the same year. Roger inherited his father's office as royal steward. He took part in the negotiations for the release of Richard from prison, and after the king's return to England became a justiciar.

In most of the years of the reign of King John, the earl was frequently with the king or on royal business. Yet Roger was to be one of the leaders of the baronial party which obtained John's assent to Magna Carta, and his name and that of his son and heir Hugh II appear among the twenty-five barons who were to ensure the king's adherence to the terms of that document. The pair were excommunicated by the pope in December 1215, and did not make peace with the regents of John's son Henry III until 1217.

Around Christmas 1181, Roger married Ida, apparently Ida de Tosny (or Ida de Toesny), and by her had a number of children including:

Hugh Bigod, 3rd Earl of Norfolk who married in 1206/ 1207 a daughter of William Marshal

William Bigod

Ralph Bigod

Roger Bigod

Margery, married William de Hastings

Mary Bigod, married Ralph fitz Robert

Many historians, including Marc Morris have speculated that the couple had a third daughter, Alice, who married Aubrey de Vere IV,Earl of Oxford as his second wife. If so, the marriage would have been well within the bounds of consanguinity, for the couple would have been quite closely related, a daughter of the second earl of Norfolk being first cousin once removed to the second earl of Oxford.

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Marc Morris [The Bigod Earls of Norfolk in the thirteenth century (2005), p. 2], cites evidence that Roger's wife was Ida de Tosny, and that she was given to him in marriage by Henry II, together with the manors of Acle, Halvergate and South Walsham, which had been confiscated after his father's death. As Roger had been holding them for three-quarters of a year at Michaelmas 1182, Morris dates the marriage to around Christmas 1181 [citing Rotuli Hundredorum, vol. 1, pp. 504, 537; Pipe Roll 23 Henry II, pp. 125, 137; Pipe Roll 24 Henry II, pp. 26-7; Pipe Roll 28 Henry II, p. 64].

[Morris's work was pointed out by Linda Jack in September 2005. The question was also discussed by John P. Ravilious, James Cummings, Nichol Storm, Douglas Richardson, Todd A. Farmerie, Peter Stewart and Paul Reed. Item last updated 24 October 2005.]

Volume 9, page 589, note f:

Besides Hugh, the heir, there were sons [of Roger (le Bigod), Earl of Norfolk (d. 1221) and his wife Ida] William ..., Ralph ..., and Roger, ...

The Liber Vitæ of Durham, f. 63d, lists the children of Roger and Ida as Hugh, William, Roger, John, Ralph, Mary, Margaret and Ida [Surtees Society, vol. 136 (1923)].

[This evidence was presented by Rosie Bevan in July 2002.]

http://www.robertsewell.ca/bigod.html

Roger Bigod, 2nd Earl of Norfolk, built Framlingham circa 1190 - 1210. This revolutionary new castle without a keep reflected crusader experience; and is reminiscent of Byzantine fortresses. Its vast curtain-wall laced with strong towers enabled a large force including cavalry to be kept in the area of maximum defensibility.

Paul Johnson, Castles of England, Scotland and Wales, London, 1989

For more photos and details, click on Michael W. Cook's Framlingham Castle page.

The following is an excerpts are from Richard Thomson: An Historical Essay on the Magna Charta of King John, London, 1829; Pages 279 – 280:

"Roger Bigod, Earl of Norfolk, was the son of Hugh, Steward to the Kings Henry I. and II., who was descended from Roger Bigod, or Bigot, who in the time of William I. held several Manors in Norfolk; 6 Lordships in Essex; and and 117 in Sufolk. Camden, in his Remains, Lond. 1636, 4to. page 123, states the name to be Norman, signifying Superstitious, or a Bigot; a word of which the Etymology remains yet uncertain, though it is allowed to have been adopted from that language."

"Camden adds, that the people of France used to call the Normans Bigods, because at every other word they would swear by God; and hence the family of Bigod coming from Normandy,was known by this national characteristic name. In 1189, the 1st of Richard I., a charter was issued, dated Westminster, Nov. 97th by which Roger Bigod was constituted Earl of Norfolk the office of Steward was also confirmed to him, to gether with several Lordships, for all which he gave the King the sum of 1000 marks or £660 13s. 4d."

"In the 15th year of the same King, he attended him into Poictou; in 1215 he was one of the Baronial party which exacted from him the Great Charter; and was appointed one of the 25 Securities of that instrument, for which he was excommunicated by Pope Innocent III. . . . and his son Hugh succeeded him in his estates in 1220-21, the 5th of Henry III., in which year Roger Bigod is supposed to have died."

Richard Thomson also mentions: "He married Isabel, daughter of Hameline, Earl of Warren and Surrey . . . "

. . . Richard Thomson: An Historical Essay on the Magna Charta of King John, London, 1829; Page 280

More recent sources agree that Roger Bigod married Ida de Tosny, who was very likely a daughter of Ralph V de Tosny (died 1162) and his wife Margaret (born circa 1125 and living in 1185), a daughter of Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester. However, absolute and conclusive evidence of Ida's parentage is lacking. Prior to marrying Roger Bigod, Ida was a "girlfriend" of King Henry II and mother of William Longespée.

See Douglas Richardson: Plantagenet Ancestry, Baltimore, 2004, pages 456 – 457

and Marc Morris: The Bigod Earls of Norfolk in the Thirteenth Century, Woodbridge, Suffolk, 2005, page 2

Roger married around Christmas 1181 to Ida de Tosny and they had the following children:

* Hugh Bigod

* Mary Bigod who married the Yorkshire baron Ranulf fitz Robert.

* Margaret Bigod who married the royal steward William de Hastings.

* Alice Bigod who married Aubrey IV de Vere, 2nd Earl of Oxford (1163 - 1214, d.s.p.)

* Roger Bigod

* Ralph Bigod

* William Bigod

* John Bigod

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Roger le Bigod the Surety, Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk

b. circa 1150, d. 1220

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FatherHugh le Bigod, 1st Earl of Norfolk b. before 1107, d. 1177

MotherJuliane de Vere, Countess of Norfolk1 b. circa 1129, d. 1200

Roger le Bigod the Surety, Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk was 15th in descent from Sveide the Viking.2 He had two wives, Ida de Thouy and Isabella de Warenne.3 Arms: Or, a cross gules.4 He was born circa 1150 at Norfolk, Norfolk, England.2 He was the son of Hugh le Bigod, 1st Earl of Norfolk and Juliane de Vere, Countess of Norfolk.1 Roger le Bigod the Surety, Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk married Countess Ida de Tosny, daughter of seigneur de Conches Roger III de Tosny and Gertrud de Hainaut, before 1184.5 Roger le Bigod the Surety, Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk married Isabel de Warenne, daughter of Hamelin, 5th Earl of Surrey jure uxoris and Isabelle de Varennes.5,6 Roger le Bigod the Surety, Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk made a gift to Dodnash Priory of a tenement and land at East Bergholt, a holding perhaps of Countess Ida's, whose possible mother Ida of Hainault received it from King Henry I, between 1189 and 1221 at Suffolk, England.7 He reconstituted Earl of Norfolk, and steward of the household, and at the same time obtained restitution of some manors, with grants of others, and confirmation of all his widespread demesnes, in a charter on 27 November 1189 at 1 Richard I, Westminster, England.1 2nd Earl Bigod of Norfolk and Suffolk between 27 November 1189 and 1221.8 The Signing of the Magna Carta on 15 June 1215 at Runnymede, between Windsor and Staines, Surrey, England. He was was a Surety Baron for the Magna Carta, at Runnymede on 15 June 1215.2 He died in 1220 at Thetford, Norfolk, England.2,1

Family 1

Countess Ida de Tosny b. circa 1155

Children

* Mary Bigod+ b. c 11841

* Margery Bigod+ b. c 11851

* Hugh le Bigod the Surety, 3rd Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk+ b. c 1186, d. Feb 12452

* Adeliza Bigod b. c 11871

* William Bigod b. c 11871

Family 2

Isabel de Warenne b. circa 1165

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Roger Bigod (c. 1144/1150 – 1221) was the son of Hugh Bigod, 1st Earl of Norfolk and his first wife, Juliana de Vere. Although his father died in 1176 or 1177, Roger did not succeed to the earldom of Norfolk until 1189 for his claim had been disputed by his stepmother for her sons by Earl Hugh in the reign of Henry II. Richard I confirmed him in his earldom and other honours, and also sent him as an ambassador to France in the same year. Roger inherited his father's office as royal steward. He took part in the negotiations for the release of Richard from prison, and after the king's return to England became a justiciar.

In most of the years of the reign of King John, the earl was frequently with the king or on royal business. Yet Roger was to be one of the leaders of the baronial party which obtained John's assent to Magna Carta, and his name and that of his son and heir Hugh II appear among the twenty-five barons who were to ensure the king's adherence to the terms of that document. The pair were excommunicated by the pope in December 1215, and did not make peace with the regents of John's son Henry III until 1217.

Around Christmas 1181, Roger married Ida, apparently Ida de Tosny (or Ida de Toesny)[1], and by her had a number of children including:

1.Hugh Bigod, 3rd Earl of Norfolk who married in 1206/ 1207, Maud, a daughter of William Marshal

2.William Bigod

3.Ralph Bigod

4.Roger Bigod

5.Margery, married William de Hastings

6.Mary Bigod, married Ralph fitz Robert[2]

Many historians, including Marc Morris have speculated that the couple had a third daughter, Alice, who married Aubrey de Vere IV,Earl of Oxford as his second wife. If so, the marriage would have been well within the bounds of consanguinity, for the couple would have been quite closely related, a daughter of the second earl of Norfolk being first cousin once removed to the second earl of Oxford.

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1.^ Ida de Tosny was a royal ward and mistress of King Henry II, by whom she was mother of a young son William Longespée, 3rd Earl of Salisbury) (b c. 1176-March 7, 1226). Ida was not the first English royal ward to be taken as mistress by a King who was her guardian; that honour probably belongs to Isabel de Beaumont (Elizabeth de Beaumont), daughter of Robert de Beaumont, who fought at the Battle of Hastings with the Conqueror. That king's youngest son made Beaumont's daughter his mistress. Ida's ancestry was unknown for many years, but a charter by her eldest (illegitimate) son refers to his mother as the "Countess Ida" which pins her down to the wife of Roger Bigod. For Ida's ancestry, see "Some corrections and additions to the Complete Peerage: Volume 9: Summary" and Marc Morris's The Bigod Earls of Norfolk in the Thirteenth Century

2.^ S. D. Church, Oxford Dictionary of National Biography

Liber Vitae Ecclesiae Dunelmensis, Vol. 13

Morris, Marc. The Bigod Earls of Norfolk in the Thirteenth Century (2005)

Foundation for Medieval Genealogy on Roger Bigod, 2nd Earl of Norfolk

Preceded by:

Hugh Bigod Earl of Norfolk Followed by:

Hugh Bigod

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Roger Bigod, 2nd Earl of Norfolk

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Roger Bigod (c. 1144/1150 – 1221) was the son of Hugh Bigod, 1st Earl of Norfolk and his first wife, Juliana de Vere. Although his father died in 1176 or 1177, Roger did not succeed to the earldom of Norfolk until 1189 for his claim had been disputed by his stepmother for her sons by Earl Hugh in the reign of Henry II. Richard I confirmed him in his earldom and other honours, and also sent him as an ambassador to France in the same year. Roger inherited his father's office as royal steward. He took part in the negotiations for the release of Richard from prison, and after the king's return to England became a justiciar.

In most of the years of the reign of King John, the earl was frequently with the king or on royal business. Yet Roger was to be one of the leaders of the baronial party which obtained John's assent to Magna Carta, and his name and that of his son and heir Hugh II appear among the twenty-five barons who were to ensure the king's adherence to the terms of that document. The pair were excommunicated by the pope in December 1215, and did not make peace with the regents of John's son Henry III until 1217.

Around Christmas 1181, Roger married Ida, apparently Ida de Tosny (or Ida de Toesny)[1], and by her had a number of children including:

Hugh Bigod, 3rd Earl of Norfolk who married in 1206/ 1207 a daughter of William Marshal

William Bigod

Ralph Bigod

Roger Bigod

Margery, married William de Hastings

Mary Bigod, married Ralph fitz Robert[2]

Many historians, including Marc Morris have speculated that the couple had a third daughter, Alice, who married Aubrey de Vere IV,Earl of Oxford as his second wife. If so, the marriage would have been well within the bounds of consanguinity, for the couple would have been quite closely related, a daughter of the second earl of Norfolk being first cousin once removed to the second earl of Oxford.

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^ Ida de Tosny was a royal ward and mistress of King Henry II, by whom she was mother of a young son William Longespée, 3rd Earl of Salisbury) (b c. 1176-March 7, 1226). Ida was not the first English royal ward to be taken as mistress by a King who was her guardian; that honour probably belongs to Isabel de Beaumont (Elizabeth de Beaumont), daughter of Robert de Beaumont, who fought at the Battle of Hastings with the Conqueror. That king's youngest son made Beaumont's daughter his mistress. Ida's ancestry was unknown for many years, but a charter by her eldest (illegitimate) son refers to his mother as the "Countess Ida" which pins her down to the wife of Roger Bigod. For Ida's ancestry, see "Some corrections and additions to the Complete Peerage: Volume 9: Summary" and Marc Morris's The Bigod Earls of Norfolk in the Thirteenth Century

^ S. D. Church, Oxford Dictionary of National Biography

Liber Vitae Ecclesiae Dunelmensis, Vol. 13

Morris, Marc. The Bigod Earls of Norfolk in the Thirteenth Century (2005)

Foundation for Medieval Genealogy on Roger Bigod, 2nd Earl of Norfolk

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One of 25 Barons who gave surety (enforcement) of Magna Charta along with son Hugh Bigod in 1215 at Runymede

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Roger le Bigod the Surety, Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk, was 15th in descent from Sveide the Viking.

Roger married Countess Ida de Tosny, daughter of seigneur de Conches Roger III de Tosny and Gertrud de Hainaut, before 1184. He married Isabel de Warenne, daughter of Hamelin, 5th Earl of Surrey jure uxoris, and Isabelle de Varennes.

Roger made a gift to Dodnash Priory of a tenement and land at East Bergholt, a holding perhaps of Countess Ida's, whose possible mother Ida of Hainault received it from King Henry I, between 1189 and 1221, in Suffolk. He reconstituted Earl of Norfolk, and steward of the household, and at the same time obtained restitution of some manors, with grants of others, and confirmation of all his widespread demesnes, in a charter on 27 November 1189.

Roger was at the signing of the Magna Carta on 15 June 1215 at Runnymede, between Windsor and Staines, Surrey, England.

See "My Lines"

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from Compiler: R. B. Stewart, Evans, GA

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Notes: Magna Charta Surety.

Buried: Thetford, Norfolk, England

Bigod is the name associated with Framlingham Castle in Suffolk. It is an imposing structure. The outer walls are forty-four feet high and eight feet thick. Thirteen towers fifty-eight feet in height remain, along with a gateway and some outworks. In early Roman times it was probably the site of the fortified earthwork that sheltered Saint Edmund when he fled from the Danes in 870, but we cannot be sure of the authenticity of this tradition. The Danes seized the fort, but they lost it in 921; it then remained a Crown possession, which passed into the hands of William the Conqueror when he became King. In 1100 Henry I granted the Castle to Roger Bigod, and possibly Roger was the one to erect the first masonry building.

The ruins indicate a 12th Century dating, though material from an older building may very well have been used in the walls. Evidently the Castle was completely rebuilt in 1170. It remained in the Bigod family for some generations, then passed into the hands of the Mowbrays.

ROGER BIGOD, the Surety, was born about 1150 and succeeded as second Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk. It is fitting that, after Richard's return to England after his captivity in Germany, Roger Bigod was chosen to be one of the four Earls who carried the silken canopy for the King, as Hugh Bigod had borne the Royal sceptre in the Royal procession.

Roger Bigod was appointed in 1189 by King Richard one of the Ambassadors to King Philip of France, to obtain aid for the recovery of the Holy Land. In 1191 he was keeper of Hereford Castle. He was chief judge in the King's Court from 1195 to 1202. In 120() he was sent by King John as one of his messengers to summon William the Lion, King of Scotland, to do homage to him in the Parliament which was held at Lincoln, and subsequently attended King John into Poitou; but on his return he was won over to the opposition by the rebel Barons and became one of the strongest advocates of the Charter of Liberty, for which he was excommunicated by Pope Innocent III He died before August 1221, having married as his first wife, Isabella daughter of Hameline Plantagenet, who was descended from the Earls of Warren.
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Roger Bigod (c. 1144/1150 – 1221) was the son of Hugh Bigod, 1st Earl of Norfolk and succeeded to the earldom of Norfolk in 1189, was confirmed in his earldom and other honours by Richard I, for his claim had been disputed by his stepmother in the reign of Henry II. King Richard also sent him to France as an ambassador in 1189.

He took part in the negotiations for the release of Richard from prison, and after the king's return to England became justiciar. The earl was one of the leaders of the baronial party which obtained John's assent to Magna Carta, and his name appears among the signatories to this document.

Around Christmas 1181 Roger married Ida de Tosny, a former mistress of King Henry II, and by her had a number of children including:

Hugh

William Bigod

Ralph Bigod

Roger Bigod

(Alice Bigod)

Margery Bigod

Mary Bigod
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Roger Bigod (c. 1144/1150 – 1221) was the son of Hugh Bigod, 1st Earl of Norfolk and succeeded to the earldom of Norfolk in 1189, was confirmed in his earldom and other honours by Richard I, for his claim had been disputed by his stepmother in the reign of Henry II. King Richard also sent him to France as an ambassador in 1189.

He took part in the negotiations for the release of Richard from prison, and after the king's return to England became justiciar. The earl was one of the leaders of the baronial party which obtained John's assent to Magna Carta, and his name appears among the signatories to this document.

Around Christmas 1181 Roger married Ida de Tosny, a former mistress of King Henry II, and by her had a number of children including:

Hugh

William Bigod

Ralph Bigod

Roger Bigod

(Alice Bigod)

Margery Bigod

Mary Bigod
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Son and heir by his father's first wife, Roger appears to have been a loyal subject to the Crown, and certainly not of the rebellious nature of his father. At the battle of Fornham in 1173, he bore the standard of St. Edmund, under which the royal forces fought, being thus in opposition to his father. Upon his father's death he became responsible for the balance of his father's fine. He appears to have attended the King at Windsor, and the young King at Westminster ca. Apr 1180. In 1182, Henry forgave him the fine for his father's debts and restored him the demesnes of the Crown which his father had held. He served as Steward in 1186, and on 3 Sep 1189, was among the barons who attended the Coronation of Richard I, who, on 25 Nov following made him Earl of Norfolk. In 1191, in Richard's absence, Earl Roger acted in support of the Chancellor against Prince John. For the following two years, he appears to have been mostly occupied with duty as a judge, both at Westminster and one eyre in the provinces. He attended Richard's second Coronation, 17 Apr 1194, and in 1195 and 1996 sat as one of the Barons of the Exchequer. He attended the Coronation of John at Westminster, 27 May 1190, and was one of the Earls sent to bring the King of Scotland to Lincoln to do homage to John. He was in England the following three years, until the summer of 1206, when he appears to been abroad in the King's service. In Jan of 1214/15, he was still acting as a royal official, but in June he joined the Barons in their ultimatum from Stamford to King John, and with his son, Hugh, was among the 25 Barons elected to maintain Magna Carta. Roger was among those magnates excommunicated by the Pope in December, whereby his lands were forfeited and ravaged by the King. But he returned to John's allegiance and had order for restoration of his lands Sep 1217. He died four years later.
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Roger Bigod (c. 1144/1150 – 1221) was the son of Hugh Bigod, 1st Earl of Norfolk and his first wife, Juliana de Vere. Although his father died 1176 or 1177, Roger did not succeed to the earldom of Norfolk until 1189 for his claim had been disputed by his stepmother for her sons by Earl Hugh in the reign of Henry II. Richard I confirmed him in his earldom and other honours, and also sent him as an ambassador to France in the same year. Roger inherited his father's office as royal steward. He took part in the negotiations for the release of Richard from prison, and after the king's return to England became a justiciar.

In most of the years of the reign of King John, the earl was frequently with the king or on royal business. Yet Roger was to be one of the leaders of the baronial party which obtained John's assent to Magna Carta, and his name and that of his son and heir Hugh II appear among the twenty-five barons who were to ensure the king's adherence to the terms of that document. The pair were excommunicated by the pope in December 1215, and did not make peace with the regents of John's son Henry III until 1217.

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BIOGRAPHY: Earl of Norfolk
BIOGRAPHY: Earl of Norfolk
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1. Magna Charta Barons Eng, 138 pt 2 p. 44 A1C 20 p. 287
2. Eng V Suss 10 v 2 p. 128, 117
3. Eng 116 p. 118
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Roger Bigod was Magna Charga Surety.
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Roger Bigod, 2nd Earl of Norfolk, who was one of the twenty-five Sureties of the Magna Charta.
Ida and Roger had the following children:
Hugh Bigod, 3rd Earl of Norfolk, one of the twenty-five Sureties of the Magna Charta.
Margaret Bigod
Margery Bigod
Alice Bigod
William Bigod
Ralph Bigod
Roger Bigod
Roger Bigod, 2nd Earl of Norfolk, who was one of the twenty-five Sureties of the Magna Charta.
Ida and Roger had the following children:
Hugh Bigod, 3rd Earl of Norfolk, one of the twenty-five Sureties of the Magna Charta.
Margaret Bigod
Margery Bigod
Alice Bigod
William Bigod
Ralph Bigod
Roger Bigod

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Accoording to "Genealogical History of the Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited,and
Extinct Peerages of the British Empire" by Sir Bernard Burke . . . RogerBigod, 2nd Earl , married Isabel, daughter of Hamelyn, Earl of Warrenneand Surrey, and had issue :

Hugh, his successor
William, who married Margaret, daughter of Robert de Sutton
Thomas
Margery, who married William de Hastings
Adeliza, who married Alberic de Vere, Earl of Oxford
Mary, who married Ralph Fitz-Robert, Lord of Middleham.
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2. Eng V Suss 10 v 2 p. 128, 117
3. Eng 116 p. 118
!HISTORICAL NOTES:
Roger Bigod was Magna Charga Surety.
2ND EARL OF NORFOLK & SUFFOLK; KEEPER OF HERTFORD CASTLE IN 1191; MAGNA CARTA
SURETY; CHIEF JUDGE IN THE KING'S COURT 1195-1202
25th great grandfather
Was a Magna Carta Surety in 1215
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1. Roger was 'Steward of England. He was one of the 25 sureties of the Magna Carta. Steward of the Houshold of Richard I and one of the four earls who carried the silken canopy over the monarch's head at his second coronation
1. One of the 25 sureties of the Magna Carta (1215). Steward of the Houshold of
Richard I and one of the four earls who carried the silken canopy over the
monarch's head at his second coronation. (The Complete Peerage vol.IX,pp.586-589.)

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Was a Magna Carta Surety in 1215
One of the 25 sureties of the Magna Carta. Steward of the Houshold of
Richard I and one of the four earls who carried the silken canopy overthe
monarch's head at his second coronation. He was summoned to Parliament asa baron in 1177. In 1200 this Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk was sent byKing John to William, the Lion, King of Scotland, to pay homage to theKing in the Parliament held at Lincoln. Later he was won over to therebel barons and became one of the strongest advocates of the Charter ofLiberty, and chosen to help enforce this great instrument.
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2. Eng V Suss 10 v 2 p. 128, 117
3. Eng 116 p. 118

!HISTORICAL NOTES:
Roger Bigod was Magna Charga Surety.
He was one of the 25 surities of the Magna Carta. Steward of the Household of Richard I. He was named 2nd Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk on 27 Nov 1189. He was one of the four Earls who carried the silken canopy over the monarch's head at his second coronation.
Bigod Coat of Arms
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"Roger Bigod, Earl of Norfolk, was the son of Hugh, Steward to the Kings Henry I. and II., who was descended from Roger Bigod, or Bigot, who in the time of William I. held several Manors in Norfolk, Lordships in Essex and in Suffolk and Camden. The name is Norman, signifying superstitious, or a Bigot
The people of France used to call the Normans Bigods, because at every other word they would swear by God; and hence the family of Bigod coming from Normandy,was known by this national characteristic name.
"In 1189, the 1st of Richard I., a charter was issued, dated Westminster, Nov. 97th by which Roger Bigod was constituted Earl of Norfolk the office of Steward was also confirmed to him, to gether with several Lordships, for all which he gave the King the sum of 1000 marks or £660 13s. 4
"In the 15th year of the same King, he attended him into Poictou; in 1215 he was one of the Baronial party which exacted from him the Great Charter; and was appointed one of the 25 Securities of that instrument, for which he was excommunicated by Pope Innocent III."
Roger Bigod was appointed in 1189 by King Richard one of the Ambassadors to King Philip of France, to obtain aid for the recovery of the Holy Land. In 1191 he was keeper of Hereford Castle. He was chief judge in the King's Court from 1195 to 1202. In 120() he was sent by King John as one of his messengers to summon William the Lion, King of Scotland, to do homage to him in the Parliament which was held at Lincoln, and subsequently attended King John into Poictou; but on his return he was won over to the opposition by the rebel Barons and became one of the strongest advocates of the Charter of Liberty, for which he was excommunicated by Pope Innocent III He died before August 1221, having married as his first wife, Isabella daughter of Hameline Plantagenet, who was descended from the Earls of Warren.

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Ancestors (and descendant) of Roger le Bigod

Roger . Bigod
± 1060-1107
Adeliza de Tosny
± 1064-± 1136
Alberic Aubrey de Vere
1090-1141
Adeliza FitzGilbert de Clare
1080-1166
Hugh Bigod
± 1130-1176
Juliana de Vere
± 1130-± 1200

Roger le Bigod
± 1150-1221

± 1185

Ida Isabel de Tosny
± 1154-± 1199

Hugh Bigod
± 1186-1224

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