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Personal data Alice (Joan) de Lisle 

• She was born about 1338 in Harewood Castle, Weeton, West Riding Yorkshire, England.
• She died after August 12, 1401.Source 4
• A child of John 2nd Baron de Lisle and Maud de Grey
• This information was last updated on April 5, 2023.

Household of Alice (Joan) de Lisle

(1) She is married to Robert V de Holand.

They got married before 1355 at 1st husband.Sources 1, 2, 3, 4

Child(ren):

1. Maud 3rd Baroness de Holand  ± 1372-1423 

(2) She is married to Edmund de Hengrave.

They got married before March 1372/1373 at 2nd husband 2nd wife.Source 4

(3) She is married to Richard de Wychingham.

They got married after 1379 at 3rd husband.Source 4

Notes about Alice (Joan) de Lisle

He married, in or before 1355, Joan (or Alice), when his father in thatyear settled on them by fine the manor of Nether Kellet. He died v.p. ands.p.m.] [Complete Peerage VI:532, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

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The following is excerpted from a post to SGM, 14 Oct 2002, by DouglasRichardson, which identifies the wife of Robert de Holand:

From: Douglas Richardson (royalancestry AT msn.com)
Subject: Re: Elizabeth de Holand, bastard sister of Queen Philippe ofHainault
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-10-14 12:50:24 PST

As for Robert de Holand, Knt., 2nd Lord Holand, he seems to have led aquiet life and made little impact on the records of the time. This is insharp contrast to his younger brother, Thomas de Holand, Earl of Kent,who was a famous warrior in the time period, and one of the founders ofthe Knights of the Garter. Also, I find no record in which either Robertde Holand, his wife, Elizabeth, or their descendants were styled kinfolkby King Edward III or any successive king, saving the one reference Ihave already cited. Consequently, proving that Robert de Holand's wife,Elizabeth, is identifical with Elizabeth de Holand, bastard sister ofQueen Philippe, might well be a difficult task.

As for Robert de Holand's eldest son, Robert, I find that he served inthe retinue of the King and Prince Edward in the campaign of 1346-47. In1347 the abbot of Furnes complained he violated the abbot's liberties inLonsdale Hundred, co. Lancaster. He married in or before 1355 (date ofsettlement) Alice de Lisle, daughter of John de Lisle (presumably 2ndLord Lisle of Rougemont). They had one daughter and heiress, Maud. Hewas living 10 May 1367, and died sometime before 16 Mar. 1372/3. Hiswidow, Alice, married (2nd) before 1372/3 (date of settlement) (as his2nd wife) Edmund de Hemegrave, Knt., of Hengrave, Little Wratting,Mutford, Westley, etc., Suffolk and Fordham, co. Cambridge, son and heirof Thomas de Hemegrave, Knt., by his 1st wife, Isabel. He was born about1321 (aged 28 in 1349). They had no issue. Sir Edmund de Hemegrave diedtestate 4 Feb. 1379. His widow, Alice, married (3rd) Richard Wychingham,of Wychingham, Norfolk. They had no issue. She left a will dated 12Aug. 1401, proved 19 Jan. 1401/2.

The following sources pertain to Robert de Holand, the younger, and hiswife, Alice de Lisle:

Blomefield 4: 88. Suckling, pg. 271. J. Gage, Hist. & Antiq. ofHengrave in Suffolk (1822), pp. 81-94. Calendar of Patent Rolls,1364-1367 (1912), pg. 393. VCH Lancaster 8 (1914): 2,139. CompletePeerage 6 (1926): 532. G. Paget, Baronage of England (1957) 289: 1. Listof Inq. ad Quod Damnum 2 (PRO, Lists and Indexes, No. 22) (repr. 1963):580,593.

Alice de Lisle's identity, parentage, and successive marriages are notmentioned in Complete Peerage. So, this is yet another addition forComplete Peerage for Chris Phillips' website.

For interest sake, the following colonial immigrants descend from Robertde Holand, Knt., 2nd Lord Holand (died 1373), and his wife, Elizabeth,possible bastard sister of Queen Philippe:

1. Essex Beville.
2. Charles Calvert.
3. Mary Launce (two descents).
4. Thomas Lunsford.
5. Herbert Pelham.
6. William Poole.
7. Maria Johanna Somerset.

Likewise, the following colonial immigrants descend from Margaret deHoland, wife of Marmaduke de Lumley, who is likely the daughter of Robertde Holand, Knt., 2nd Lord Holand.

1. Charles Calvert.
2. John Fenwick.
3. William Poole.
4. Richard Saltonstall.
5. Maria Johanna Somerset.
6. Olive Welby.
7. Thomas Wingfield.

Information on the specific descents down to the individual colonistswill be found in the forthcoming book, Plantagenet Ancestry, soon to bereleased. The book is still available for a short time at a specialprepublication price for newsgroup members. Please contact me at mye-mail address below for details on ordering the book.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

E-mail: royalancestry AT msn.com

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