Genealogy Wylie » Sir John 4th Baron de Moels (< 1304-< 1337)

Personal data Sir John 4th Baron de Moels 

• He was born before 1304 in Marnhull, Sturminster, Dorset, England.Source 2
• He died before August 21, 1337 in Maperton &, Cadbury, Somerset, England (dspm).Sources 2, 4, 5
• A child of John 1st Baron de Moels and Maud de Grey
• This information was last updated on March 25, 2023.

Household of Sir John 4th Baron de Moels

He has/had a relationship with Joan Lovel.

Child(ren):

1. Muriel de Moels  1322-1359 
2. Isabel Moels  1326-1349 

Notes about Sir John 4th Baron de Moels

John Moels, 4th Lord (Baron) Moles (dspm 21 Aug 1337), since when bylater doctrine the Barony is deemed to have fallen into abeyance betweenhis daughters and their representatives), of North Cadbury, Somerset andEast Berkhamsted, Hertfordshire. [Burke's Peerage]

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BARONY OF MOELS (IV)

JOHN (DE MOELS), LORD MOELS, brother and heir. On 18 July 1316 RichardLovel was granted the wardship of two parts of the lands late ofNicholas, John's brother, until the full age of John. Having proved hisage and done homage, he had livery of the lands of Roger de Moels, hisbrother, 17 September 1325. He was ceremoniously knighted January 1326/7.On 5 May 1328 he had licence to grant to Margaret de Moels (his brother'swidow), for life, a moiety of the manor of Diptford and the hundred ofStanborough, Devon, in exchange for a grant of her interest in the manorof Little Berkhampstead. He was a justice of the peace in 1329. On 7 May1331 the escheator was ordered to take the lands of John de Moels,knight, into the King's hand because he had gone outside the realmwithout licence, contrary to the proclamation. He was granted themarriage of Elizabeth, late the wife of Edmund de Mortimer, 7 July 1333,but did not marry her. On 21 November 1335 he had protection, being aboutto go beyond seas. He was never summoned to Parliament. He married Joan,daughter of Richard [LOVEL] 1st Lord Lovel [of Castle Cary] by Muriel,daughter and heir of Sir John de Soules. He died s..p.m., before 21August 1337. On 1 September 1337 custody of his lands was granted toThomas de Ferrars and Thcobald de Mounteney. At his death the Barony ofMoels is held, according to modern doctrine, to have fallen into abeyancebetween his two daughters and coheirs, who were both born in Dorset:

(i) Muriel, aged 15 in 1337, who married, without licence, after herfather's death and before the inquisition on his lands, Sir Thomas deCourtenay, for which they received pardon 27 August 1337. On 6 October1337, Thomas de Courtenay having done fealty, he and Muriel receivedtheir pourparty of her father's lands, and on 3 March 1337/8 theirpourparty of knights' fees. In 1349, on the death of her aunt Margaret,late wife of Nicholas de Moels, Muriel received her share of the dowerlands. Muriel and Thomas had one son, Hugh, who died s.p. and twodaughters, (a) Muriel, who m. Sir John de Dinham (see DINHAM), and (b)Margaret, who margaret Sir Thomas Peverel, and had two daughters (i)Eleanor, who m. Sir William Talbot and died s.p., and (ii) Catherine, whomarried Sir Walter Hungerford (see HUNGERFORD).

(ii) Isabel, born at Marnhull, Dorset, 31 May 1376, but said to be aged"13 years and more" in September 1337, and 25 and more in April 1349.Having married, without licence, William de Botreaux, her lands wereforfeited 30 August 1337, but they received pardon 6 October 1337. Isabelhaving proved her age on 18 June 1347, and William's fealty and homagebeing respited until the King's return to England, they received theirpourparty of her father's lands 6 July 1347, and in 1349, on the death ofher aunt Margaret, late wife of Nicholas de Moels, Isabel received hershare of the dower lands. Isabel and William had a son William, who wassummoned to Parliament in 1368 (see BOTREAUX). Isabel'sgreatgreat-granddaughter, Margaret, Baroness Botreaux, married Robert,Lord Hungerford, great-grandson of Isabel's sister Muriel, and thusunited one moiety and half of the other moiety of the Barony of Moels.See HASTINGS and HUNGERFORD.

[Complete Peerage IX:7-8, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

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