Genealogy Wylie » Sir John Tuchet , of Heleigh, 4th Baron de Audley [[Ch-Wikibio++]] sss (1371-1408)

Personal data Sir John Tuchet , of Heleigh, 4th Baron de Audley [[Ch-Wikibio++]] sss 

• Also known as John 4th Baron de Audley /Touchet/, of Heleigh,Sir.
• He was born on April 23, 1371 in Markheaton, Belper, Derbyshire, England.Sources 1, 2, 4
• He died on December 19, 1408 in Heleigh Castle, Audley, Staffordshire, England, he was 37 years old.Sources 1, 2, 5
• A child of John Tuchet and Margery Mortimer
• A child of John Tuchet and Margaret (Margery Maud) Mortimer
• This information was last updated on March 18, 2023.

Household of Sir John Tuchet , of Heleigh, 4th Baron de Audley [[Ch-Wikibio++]] sss

(2) He is married to Elizabeth (Isabel) de Stafford.

They got married before 1398.Source 6

Child(ren):

1. James Tuchet  ± 1398-1459 
2. Elizabeth Tuchet  ± 1406-???? 

Notes about Sir John Tuchet , of Heleigh, 4th Baron de Audley [[Ch-Wikibio++]] sss

Sir John Tuchet, b. 23 April 1371, d. 19 Dec 1408, 2nd Lord Tuchet, MP1406-1408; m. Isabel, living 3 May 1405. [Magna Charta Sureties]

Note: I think that Burke's keeps the numbering consistant with theoriginal Baron Audley, because they name the next generation "JamesTouchet/Tuchet, 5th Baron Audley", whereas MCS and some others start thenumbering over when the Tuchet/Touchet family took over the Barony. Iwill stick with Burke's when it comes to titles.

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BARONY OF TUCHET (I)

JOHN TUCHET, son and heir, born 23 April 1371, was one of the 3 coheirsof Nicholas, Lord Audley, who died s.p. 22 July 1391. He was appointed in1394 on a Commission of Enquiry and in 1401 was a Commissioner of Peacein Derbyshire. During the Welsh wars against Owen Glendower he wasordered to muster at Hereford, 27 August 1404 and was in the Prince ofWales's muster at Shrewsbury, 1403, with 20 squires and 10 archers. Afterthat battle (21 July) he was appointed, 23 July 1403, with 4 others, togovern the marches towards Wales and resist Glendower; and was alsoKeeper of Llandovery Castle, 8 September 1403. He was summoned toParliament on 20 October 1403, by writ directed Johanni Tochet, and from25 August 1404 to 26 August 1407, by writs directed Johanni Tuchet,whereby he is held to have become LORD TUCHET or TOCHET. However, he wasnever so called but was frequently styled LORD AUDLEY in officialdocuments. He was joint Keeper (with the Earl of Warwick) of BrecknockCastle, 24 October 1403-19 February 1403/4, and sole Keeper thereof, 14October 1404. On 10 October 1404 he was at Coventry with 30 squires and60 archers; and he was present at the surrender of Aberystwith, 12September 1407. He married Elizabeth (or Isabel) and died 19 December1408, aged 37. His widow, Elizabeth, was to be assigned dower, 3 May1409, but nothing was done. [Complete Peerage XII/2:60-1, (transcribedby Dave Utzinger)]

BARONY OF AUDLEY (IV)

JOHN TUCHET, great nephew and coheir, being son and heir of John Tuchet,who was son and heir of Sir John Tuchet of Markeaton, co. Derby, (slainat Rochelle, 1371), by Joan, sister of the whole blood of Nicholas, 3rdLord Audley. He was born 23 April 1371, and was 20 years old at the deathof his said great uncle, in 1391, to whom he was found one of his nextheirs. He was in the Welsh wars against Glendower, and was summoned toParliament as a Baron [LORD AUDLEY] 20 Oct 1403 to 26 Aug 1407, the writsbeing probably terminated in his favour; the writ was, however, directed(merely) Johanni Tuchet (LORD TUCHET?). According to modern doctrine,which was not then invented, the issue of a writ would probably beregarded as terminating the abeyance (then unknown) in the Barony ofAudley. He married, Isabel, who was living June 1405. He died inDecember 1408, aged about 38. [Complete Peerage I:340-41 XIV:51,(transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

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In a post to SGM, 2 Apr 2002, Douglas Richardson provides an entry fromhis forthcoming book "Plantagenet Ancestry" which identifies John's wifeElizabeth:

In answer to your question, the wife of John Tuchet, Knt., 4th LordAudley, was Elizabeth Stafford, a hitherto unidentified daughter ofHumphrey Stafford, Knt., of Amblecote, Bramshall, and Perton, co.Stafford, by his lst wife, Alice, daughter and heiress of John Grenville,Knt. Elizabeth Stafford has Carolingian ancestry through her paternalgrandmother, Margaret (Stafford) Stafford, who was a daughter of RalphStafford, lst Earl of Stafford, by his lst wife, Katherine Hastang.

Complete Peerage sub Audley states that John Tuchet's wife's given wasIsabel, but the records I have found of this woman all call herElizabeth. This includes her assignment of dower and her inquisitionpost mortem. Exactly why the editor picked the name Isabel is a completemystery to me.

Below please find a record of John Tuchet, Knt., and his wife, ElizabethStafford, which is taken from my forthcoming book, Plantagenet Ancestry,3rd edition.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

E-mail: royalancestry AT msn.com

I. JOHN TUCHET, Knt., of Ashwell, Markeaton, Leegomery, etc., andBuglawton and Newhall, co. Chester, Keeper of Llandovery Castle, Keeperof Brecknock Castle, son and heir, born 23 Apr. 1371. He was co-heir in1391 to his great-uncle, Nicholas Audley, 3rd Lord Audley, by which heinherited a 1/3 share in the Audley barony, including the Castle andlordship of Heleigh, co. Stafford, and the Castle and lordship of Newport(in Camois), co. Pembroke. He married before 1398 ELIZABETH STAFFORD,daughter of Humphrey Stafford, Knt., of Amblecote, Bramshall, and Perton,co. Stafford, by his 1st wife, Alice, daughter and heiress of JohnGrenville, Knt., of Southwick. They had three children, James [5th LordAudley], Margaret (wife of John Luttrell), and Elizabeth (wife of JohnBaskerville, Knt., of Eardisley, co. Hereford). He was in the Welsh warsagainst Owen Glendower. He was summoned to Parliament on 20 Oct. 1403 bywrit directed Johanni Tochet, and from 25 Aug. 1404 to 26 Aug. 1407 bywrits directed Johanni Tuchet. He was frequently styled Lord Audley inofficial documents, although never summoned to Parliament as such. JOHNTUCHET, 4th Lord Audley, died 19 Dec. 1408. In 1409 the King requestedthat his widow’s brother, Humphrey Stafford the younger, deliver her sonand heir to his custody. In 1436 Thomas Stawell sued Elizabeth, late thewife of John Tuchet, Knt., her son, James Tuchet, Knt., her brother, JohnStafford, Bishop of Bath and Wells, and William Lee for the manors ofNether Stowey, Honeybare, etc., Somerset. She died 1446-7 (date of herInq.p.m.).

References:

Ormerod 1 (1819): 489, 3: 23-24.
Papal Letters, 1404-1415 (1904), pg. 16.
C.P. 1 (1910): 340-341.
Col. G.D. Stawell A Quantock Family (1910), pp. 42-43.
Genealogist n.s. 36 (1920): 9-22.
Cal. Close Rolls, 1405-1419 (1931), pp. 438,483.
VCH Rutland 2 (1935): 108-109.
VCH Shropshire 8 (1968): 228-229.
C.P. 12 Pt. 2 (1959): 60-61 (sub Tuchet).
VCH Shropshire 11 (1985): 219.
Bodine (1995), pg. 31.
Genealogist n.s. 18: 26.

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