Genealogy Wylie » Alice Talbot zzz (± 1390-1436)

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1. Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com, Brad Verity, 24 Jul 2005
2. Jim Weber presents The Phillips, Weber, Kirk, & Staggs families of the Pacific Northwest, Jim Weber, via http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.co..., September 2008

   The following post to SGM by Brad Verity gives information on Alice andsome of her descendants:
   
   Brad Verity Jul 24, 10:48 am
   
   Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
   From: "Brad Verity"
   Date: 24 Jul 2005 10:48:43 -0700
   Local: Sun, Jul 24 2005 10:48 am
   Subject: Some Descendants of Alice Talbot, Dame Barre
   
   Alice Talbot, the third daughter of Richard, 4th Lord Talbot, andAnkaret, Lady Strange of Blakemere, is a key gateway for theHerefordshire gentry to a descent from Edward I. For the eleven familiesdescended from her by 1500 listed below, she is the only link to such adescent for all but one.
   
   She was born 1389/93, and was a younger sister of John Talbot, the 1stEarl of Shrewsbury. In 1412, her widowed mother arranged her marriage toSir Thomas Barre, 'Junior', the son and heir of Sir Thomas Barre,'Senior', of Rotherwas (in Dinedor) and Clehonger, Herefordshire, by hiswife Elizabeth Croyser.
   
   By Sir Thomas Barre, Alice had a son and three daughters, before herhusband died, probably fighting in France, in the late summer or autumnof 1420. He predeceased his father, Sir Thomas Barre 'Senior', who diedin December 1420.
   
   Alice married secondly, Richard de la Mere, sheriff of Herefordshire1422-3, whose parentage I've not been able to determine. He was not theRichard de la Mere, MP, whose bio is in Roskell's HOP. Instead, he waslikely of the family of Sir Peter de la Mere, Speaker of the House ofCommons under Richard II, as they were based in Herefordshire. By himshe had another son and two more daughters (who apparently diedunmarried), and died in 1436.
   
   Issue of Alice Talbot and Sir Thomas Barre 'Junior':
   
   1) Sir JOHN BARRE, born late 1412 (he was found to be age "9 and more" inthe September 1421 Herefordshire IPM of his grandfather). He wasknighted 1441/2, MP Herefordshire 1445-6, 1447, Gloucestershire 1450-1,Herefordshire 1459., sheriff of Herefordshire and the West Marches,1454-5. He married 1st, Idoine, daughter and heiress of Sir John Hotoft(d. 1443), of Knebworth House, Hertfordshire, Treasurer of the Householdof Henry VI. He married 2nd, Joan (d. 10 Aug. 1484), widow of Sir RobertGreyndore (d. 1443) of Clearwell Court, Gloucestershire, and daughter andheiress of Thomas Rugge, of Charlecombe, Somerset. He died 14 Jan. 1483,and was buried at All Saints' Church, Clehonger, where he had founded achantry for his family in 1474. He had (by his first wife), one childand heiress:
   
   1A) ISABEL BARRE, COUNTESS OF DEVON. She married 1st, after 1450, SirHumphrey Stafford (1439-17 Aug. 1469), of Hook, co. Dorset, cr. BaronStafford of Southwick 1464, Earl of Devon 1469, by whom she had nosurviving issue. She married 2nd, about 1472, Sir Thomas Bourchier (d.26 Oct. 1491), younger son of Henry, Earl of Essex, and died 1 March1489. Her remains were removed to her husband Bourchier's tomb in Ware,Hertfordshire, after his death. By Bourchier, she had had issue:
   
   1A1) ISABEL BOURCHIER, born 24 April 1474; died young before her mother.
   1A2) JOAN BOURCHIER, born 18 March 1475; died in infancy.
   
   2) ELIZABETH BARRE, eldest daughter, born about 1414. She was married toEdmund Cornewall, knight, eldest son and heir of Richard Cornewall (d.January 1443), esquire, 'baron' of Burford, Salop, by his wife AliceMerbury (d. 1417). From HOP: "The Cornewalls of Burford were the youngerbranch of an ancient family which traced its descent from an illegitimateson of Richard, Earl of Cornwall, brother of Henry III. It was possiblytheir sense of this distinguished ancestry which caused them to stylethemselves Barons of Burford, although none of their line had ever beensummoned to Parliament. They owned extensive property in Devon,Herefordshire, Shropshire and the midlands." Edmund, who was born about1382, died before his father in Cologne in 1435, and was buried in St.Mary church, Burford. Over thirty years younger than her husband,Elizabeth had only one son and one daughter before his death. She diedin 1468. Issue:
   
   2A) THOMAS CORNEWALL, esquire, of Burford, born 1430/5, became the heirof his grandfather, who arranged his marriage to Elizabeth (d. 1489),daughter of Sir Rowland Lenthall (d. Nov. 1450), by his second wife LucyGrey. Revenue from the Cornewalls' Stapleton Castle in Herefordshire,was part of the marriage settlement, and after the 1443 death of RichardCornewall, Lenthall claimed he'd been defrauded. Thomas Cornewall came ofage in the 1450s and was a firm Lancastrian. He was attainted in 1461 inEdward IV's first Parliament, and all of his properties forfeited. Hedied shortly after 1472, when his son and heir successfully petitionedthe crown to be restored to the family lands after his father's death. Ihaven't yet found a full list of the children of Thomas Cornewall andElizabeth Lenthall, but they had at least one son:
   
   2A1) Sir EDMUND CORNEWALL, of Burford, born 1455/9 (said to be age 30 andmore in Oct. 1489), who had all the family lands restored shortly after1472/3. He married Margaret (d. 1498), daughter and coheiress of ThomasHorde of Bridgnorth, Shropshire, MP. In October 1489, he was found to bea coheir to Isabel Barre, countess of Devon, but died shortly afterwards,on 8 Dec. 1489. From Sir Edmund descends the vast Cornewall family ofBurford.
   
   2B) ELEANOR CORNEWALL, born 1430/5, married 1st, Sir Hugh Mortimer, ofKyre Wyard and Martley, Worcestershire, and Tedstone Wafer,Herefordshire, heir of the Tedstone Wafer Mortimers. He was killed atWakefield in December 1460, and was buried in the Church of St. Peter,Martley. By him she had a son and a daughter. She married 2nd, SirRichard Croft (d. 29 July 1509), of Croft Castle, Herefordshire, sheriffof Herefordshire 1471-72, 1477, 1486, MP Herefordshire 1477, and hadthree more sons and five more daughters. The Crofts had occupied CroftCastle since before the Conquest. Eleanor was the governess of EdwardIV's sons at Ludlow Castle. She died 23 Dec. 1519, at an advanced age,and was buried with her second husband in the chapel of Croft Castle(tomb now in St. Michael church, Croft). Issue:
   
   2B1) Sir JOHN MORTIMER, of Kyre Wyard, etc., born 1450/5, sheriff ofHerefordshire 1477-8, 1481-2, steward of Abberley, Worcestershire duringWarwick's minority 15 Aug. 1480, Squire of the Body 1481-5, knighted1485, Knight of the Body 1485-1504, sheriff of Worcestershire 1485-6,banneret at Stoke 16 June 1487, sheriff of Herefordshire 1493-4, 1501-2,MP Worcestershire 1495. He married, after 1485, Margaret Nevill(c.1466-31 Jan. 1528), third daughter and co-heiress of John Nevill,Marquess of Montagu (d. 1471) by his wife Isabel Ingaldesthorpe. Theyhad no issue, and Margaret went on to marry Charles Brandon, have itannulled the same year (1507), and then marry in 1522, one Robert Downes,in addition to having had an illegitimate daughter. Sir John Mortimerdied without issue in October 1504 (writ of d.c.e. 1 Nov. 1504).
   
   2B2) ELIZABETH MORTIMER, LADY DE LA WARR, born 1455/60, married about1480, Sir Thomas West, 8th Lord De La Warr (c.1457- 11 Oct. 1525), anddied 29 June 1502, having had issue at least one son and four daughters.
   
   2B3) Sir EDWARD CROFT, of Croft Castle, born about 1465, sheriff ofHerefordshire 1505, married Joyce Scull, said to be daughter of SirWalter Scull, of Holt Castle, Worcestershire (d. about 1472; buried atHolt Castle church), by his first wife Margaret Beauchamp of Holt (d.1456; buried at Holt Castle church), but this seems unlikely due tochronology, and she was probably his daughter by his second wife FrancesMulle (d. 1483). Sir Edward died 23 March 1541, having had four sons andseven daughters, and was ancestor of the Crofts of Croft Castle,descendants of whom still occupy the castle today.
   
   2B4) JOHN CROFT, of Holt, Worcestershire, born 1465/70, married ElizabethSeymour, daughter of John Seymour of Wolf Hall, Wiltshire (d. 1491), byhis wife Elizabeth Darrell, and was ancestor of the Crofts of Holt.
   
   2B5) ROBERT CROFT, of Kyre Wyard, Worcestershire, married and had a soledaughter and heiress.
   
   2B6) ANN CROFT, married Sir Thomas Blount (1455- 4 June 1524), of Kinlet,Shropshire, and died 27 Sep. 1549, having had at least five sons and sixdaughters.
   
   2B7) ELIZABETH CROFT, married John Whittingham, of Pauntley,Gloucestershire.
   
   2B8) JOYCE CROFT, married Thomas Mill, of Avenbury, Herefordshire.
   
   2B9) JANE CROFT, married Sir Edward Darrell (1465/6- 9 Mar. 1530), ofLittlecote, Witshire, and died by 1492, having had issue, two sons andtwo daughters.
   
   2B10) SYBIL CROFT, married Sir George Herbert (c.1463/5- died after1504), of St Julians, Monmouthshire, third son of William Herbert, Earlof Pembroke. He was knighted in 1487 at the battle of Stoke. Dame Sybilhad two sons and one daughter.
   
   3) JOAN BARRE, born 1415/20, married Sir Kynard de la Bere (d. by 1465),of Kinnersley Castle, Herefordshire, escheator of Herefordshire and theWest Marches 1438-9, son and heir of Sir Richard de la Bere, ofKinnersley, MP Herefordshire, by his first wife Sybil Chabbonare. Kynardand Joan were granted the manor of "Dorsington" (Dorston inHerefordshire?), by Richard, duke of York. She died before 1474, havinghad one son and three daughters. Her husband predeceased her. Issue:
   
   3A) Sir RICHARD DELABERE, of Kinnersley, born about 1448, knighted 17Jan. 1478, sheriff of Herefordshire 1478-9, 1482-3, 1492-3, 1510-11, MPHerefordshire 1495, adhered to Buckingham in his 1483 rebellion, andpardoned by Richard III 5 Nov. 1484; made banneret at Stoke 1487, foundco-heir to Isabel Barre, countess of Devon, in September 1489. Hemarried 1st, Anne Audley, daughter of John, Lord Audley, by his secondwife Eleanor Holland, and had one son and four daughters. He married2ndly, Elizabeth (married 2ndly, Thomas Baskerville, esquire), daughterof William Mores, Sergeant to the Hall of Henry VII, and had a furtherten sons and six daughters. Sir Richard died 15 July 1514, and wasburied in Hereford Cathedral. By his second wife he was ancestor of theDelaberes of Herefordshire and Gloucestershire. By his first wife, hehad one surviving son and daughter:
   
   3A1) THOMAS DELABERE, of Kinnersley, etc., died without issue 1518/19.
   3A2) ANNE DELABERE, married John Pye (1444-1550; buried St Davids church,Much Dewchurch), of Mynd Park, Much Dewchurch, Herefordshire. They hadmany children.
   
   3B) ANNE DELABERE
   3C) ELIZABETH DELABERE
   3D) JANE DELABERE, all alive and unmarried in 1465/70, when they suedtheir brother Richard for their marriage portions.
   
   4) ANKARET BARRE, born 1415/20, married John Hanmer, esquire, and diedafter 1474, leaving a son and heir, William Hanmer, who was found to be aco-heir to Isabel Barre, countess of Devon, in September 1489. I'm inthe process of researching the Hanmers.
   
   Cheers, -----Brad

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