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Personal data John 1st Baron de Ferrers of Chartley 

• He was born on June 20, 1271 in Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales, Great Britain.Sources 4, 5, 6, 7

  Glamorgan

• Occupations:
• Lord Ferrers of Chartley.Sources 3, 5, 6, 8
• Seneschal of Gascony.Source 6
• Sir.Sources 3, 5, 6
• (Alt. Birth) on June 20, 1271: Chartley Castle, Chartley, Staffordshire, England.Source 8
• (Alt. Birth) on June 20, 1271: Ferrers, Derbyshire, England.Source 9
• He died August 1312 in Gascogne, FRANCE, he was 41 years old.Sources 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9

  poisoned

• A child of Robert de Ferrers and Alianore de Bohun
• This information was last updated on December 4, 2022.

Household of John 1st Baron de Ferrers of Chartley

He is married to Hawise de Muscegros.

They got married before September 13, 1300.Sources 3, 4, 5

Child(ren):

1. Robert de Ferrers  1309-1350 
2. John 2nd Baron de Ferrers  > 1300-< 1324
3. Eleanor de Ferrers  ± 1310-> 1360 

Notes about John 1st Baron de Ferrers of Chartley

Lord Ferrers of Chartley

[RCKarnes.ged]

Sir John Ferrers of Chartley
Sir John Ferrers of Chartley, County Stafford, born at Cardiff June 20, 1271.  He married Hawise, daughter and heiress of Sir Robert Muscegros of County Glouscester, son of John De Muscegros, son of Robert De Muscegros and Hawise Malet, daughter of William Malet, Surety for the Magha Charta.  John Ferrers died in Gascony Sept., 1312. ; His wife, Hawise, Lady of Charlton, Norton and Bickner was living 1340.

He was the only son of Robert De Ferrers, 8th and last Earl of Derby. After the forfeiture of his father for treason he was summoned to Parliament as Baron Ferrers of Chartley Feb. 6, 1299, Chartley came into the family of Ferrers by the marriage of William, 5th Earl of Derby, with Agnes, sister and co-heir of Ranulph, Earl of Chester. This John inherited the turbulent spirit of his father, joined the Earl of Hertford and others in 25 of Edward I, in opposing the collection of subsides to the crown, but the trouble was allayed by the king's confirming Magna Charta, and by declaring that in the future no tax should be imposed upon the subject without the consent of Parliament.  He was in the Scottish wars and was then raised to the peerage.  On Nov. 21, 1293, the king took his homage and he had livery of his lands of his inheritance, from his grandmother, Margaret Countess of Derby, who died 1280/1, and first daughter and co-heir of Roger, son of Saire De Quincey, Surety for the Magna Charta.  He made an attempt to regain the lands which had been forfeited by his father's rebellion, and petitioned the Pope to permit him to borrow money from prelates and other eccelsiastics in order to redeem these lands by paying the required sum to the Earl of Lancaster.  But the king in 1301 prohibited him on forfeiting all that he could forfeit. He was Seneschal of Gascony and had serious difficulties from the tumults that had arisen and died about Aug., 1312, in Gascony of poison at the age of 41.
(Kin of Mellcene Thurman Smith, page 166)

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[Jim Weber.ged]

John de Ferrers, Lord Ferrers of Chartley, d. 1312.
[Magna Charta Sureties]

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BARONY OF FERRERS OF CHARTLEY (I) 1299

SIR JOHN DE FERRERS, of Chartley, co. Stafford, Southoe and Keyston, Hunts, and Bugbrooke, Northants, son and heir of Sir Robert DE FERRERS, of Chartley, &c., formerly EARL OF DERBY (who died in 1279), by his 2nd wife, Alianore, daughter of Sir Humphrey DE BOHUN, of Kimbolton, Hunts, Walden and Debden, Essex, &c. (son and heir apparent of Humphrey, EARL OF HEREFORD).  He was born at Cardiff, 20 June 1271.  On 21 November 1293 the King took his homage, and he had livery of the lands which he inherited as heir of his grandmother, Margaret, Countess of Derby.  In April 1294 he was about to go beyond seas, by the King's command, in attendance on Alianore, the King's daughter, lately married to Henry, Count of Bar.  On 6 August 1294, after the death of Godfrey de Beaumont, he had livery of the manor of Bugbrooke, as heir of Cecily de Ferrers, sometime the wife of the said Godfrey. He had licence, 13 September 1294, to demise to Robert de Bures the manor of Chartley, for the life of the said Robert.  In January 1296/7 he was about to go to Brabant, by the King's command, in attendance on Margaret, the King's daughter, wife of Jan, Duke of Lothier and Brabant.  He was the principal supporter of the Earls of Hereford and Norfolk in their quarrel with the King in 1297.  He made an attempt to regain the lands which had been forfeited by his father's rebellion, and petitioned the Pope to permit him to borrow money from prelates and other ecclesiastics in order to redeem these lands by paying the required sum, £50,000, to the Earl of Lancaster.  But on 10 August 1301 the King prohibited him, on pain of forfeiting all that he could forfeit, from prosecuting in Court Christian a plea concerning a lay fief, and ordered him to cause his plea to be revoked, and to be before the King from Michaelmas in three weeks to receive what should be just in the matter, as the cognizance of such a plea pertained to the King's Court. ; In December following he was ordered to be before the King in the octaves of St. Hilary to show cause why he had, against his homage, called on the Earl of Lancaster to answer in Court Christian concerning certain lay fiefs in the realm.  He was summoned for Military Service, from May 1297 to 28 May 1311, to attend the Coronation, 18 January 1307/8, to a Council 8 January 1308/9, and to Parliament from 6 February 1298 /9 to 19 December 1311, by writs directed Johanni de Ferariis, Ferrariis, or Ferers, whereby he is held to have become LORD FERRERS.  He was in Scotland on the King's service in 1298 and 1303, and was Constable of the Army of Scotland in 1306. He was granted the custody of Gloucester Castle, 24 September 1311, for a term.  On 24 January 1311/2 he was appointed Seneschal of Gascony, at a yearly salary of 2,000 livres tournois, equivalent to £500 sterling.

He married, between 2 February 1297/8 and 13 September 1300, Hawise, daughter and heir of Sir Robert DE MUSCEGROS, of Stowell, Norton, and Charlton, Somerset, Kemerton and Boddington, co. Gloucester, Hampstead and Aldworth, Berks, by Agnes, his wife (c).  She was widow of William DE MORTEMER, of Bridgwater, Milverton, and Odcombe, Somerset, Crendon, Bucks, &c. (a younger son of Sir Roger de Mortemer, of Wigmore, co. Hereford), who died s.p. shortly before 30 June 1297, but this marriage had not been consummated.  On 12 and 17 July 1302 John de Ferrers and Hawise had livery of the lands of Cecily de Muscegros, her grandmother (who died shortly before 10 August 1301), the King having taken his homage therefor.  When Seneschal of Gascony, he had serious differences (graves dissensiones et discordie), from which tumults had arisen, with Amanieu, Sire d'Albret, and other magnates, and on 5 August 1312 John and Amanieu were ordered to appear before a commission appointed to settle the dispute; finally, 16 and 19 August, they were ordered to come before the King wherever he might be in England, to make peace in the royal presence: but about this time, probably in August 1312, John died in Gascony, of poison, it was said, at the age of 41.  His widow married Sir John de BURES.  In 1329 and 1330 they made dispositions dealing with all, or nearly all, of her estates.  She, who was born 21 December 1276, was living, 24 June 1340, but died before him.  He died at Boddington, 21 or 22 December 1350.
[Complete Peerage V:305-10, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

(c) According to the usual account, this Agnes was daughter of William, Earl of Derby, by his 2nd wife, Margaret de Quency.  This is obviously impossible, for it would make John and Hawise first cousins.

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John de Ferrers, only son of Robert de Ferrers, 8th and last Earl of Derby of that family, after the forfeiture of his father, was summoned to parliament as Baron Ferrers of Chartley, co. Stafford, 6 February, 1299, a seat which came into the family of Ferrers by the marriage of William, 5th Earl of Derby, with Agnes, sister and co-heir of Ranulph, Earl of Chester.  This John, inheriting the turbulent spirit of his father, joined the Earl of Hertford and others in the 25th Edward I [1297] in opposing the collection of the subsidies granted by the parliament then held at St. Edmundsbury, to the crown, but the ferment was allayed by the king's confirming Magna Carta and the charter of the Forests, and by declaring that, in future, no tax should be imposed upon the subject without the consent of parliament, and at the same time granting a pardon to the discontented lords and their adherents, in which pardon John de Ferrers is especially named.  Soon after this he petitioned Pope Nicholas III that his holiness should interfere to procure him the lands of his late father which had been conferred upon Edmund, Earl of Lancaster, but his suit was ineffectual.  He was subsequently in the Scottish wars and was then raised to the peerage as stated above. ; His lordship m. Hawyse, dau. and heiress of Sir Robert de Muscegros, of Charlton, co. Somerset, by whom he acquired a great increase to his fortune.  In the 34th Edward I [1306], he was again in the wars of Scotland and, subsequently, in the 4th Edward II [1311], the year following which he was constituted seneschal of Aquitaine.  He d. in 13424 and was s. by his son, Robert de Ferrers, 2nd Baron Ferrers, of Chartley.
[Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 199, Ferrers, Barons Ferrers of Chartley]

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