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Personal data Osbert III de Préaux Sire de Préaux 

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Household of Osbert III de Préaux Sire de Préaux

He is married to Mahaut (d'Anjou) Plantagenêt.

They got married


Child(ren):

  1. Jean I de Préaux  ????-> 1206 
  2. Roger de Préaux  ????-1253


Notes about Osbert III de Préaux Sire de Préaux

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1.         OSBERT de Préaux (-before 1172).  Thomas Stapleton, in his "Observations on the Great Rolls of the Exchequer of Normandy", records that "Osbert de Préaux" donated tithes from harvest in the parish of Bois l'Evêque to the monks of Holy Trinity of Mont-de-Rouen, for his own soul "those of his parents and of the parents of his wife Matildis", undated, and that his wife and "their sons Simon and John" granted the tythe to the monks in perpetuity, but he does not cite the source reference[846].  The date of his death is uncertain.  Osbert certainly died before Henry "the Young King", son of King Henry II, who died in 1183 as his son Pierre recorded that Henry had been his "lord" in his charter dated to [Jun 1200] which is quoted below.  m ([1163/67]) as her first husband, MATHILDE, daughter of [HAMELIN d'Anjou Earl of Surrey & his first wife ---] (-before 13 Dec 1228).  Thomas Stapleton, in his "Observations on the Great Rolls of the Exchequer of Normandy", records that "Osbert de Préaux" donated tithes from harvest in the parish of Bois l'Evêque to the monks of Holy Trinity of Mont-de-Rouen, for his own soul "those of his parents and of the parents of his wife Matildis", undated, and that his wife and "their sons Simon and John" granted the tythe to the monks in perpetuity, but he does not cite the source reference[847].  Her first and second marriages are indicated by the charter dated Mar 1233 under which [her daughter by her second marriage] "Ælicia comitissa Augi in viduitate" granted revenue from "molendino de Duno" to "in matrimonium Ælidæ filiæ Petri de Pratellis fratris mei"[848].  Her connection with the Warenne family is indicated by the undated charter under which her daughter "Haelisia comitissa Augy quondam uxor Radulfi de Ysondun comitis Augy" donated property to Roche Abbey, witnessed by "domino Willielmo comite Warennæ avunculo meo…"[849].  Because Mathilde had three children by her first husband who died in [1172], she could not have been the daughter of Hamelin by his wife Isabelle de Warenne.  There are therefore two possibilities: either she was Hamelin's daughter by an otherwise unrecorded earlier marriage or she was the daughter of Isabelle de Warenne by her first marriage.  The latter possibility is unlikely as any daughter of Guillaume de Blois Comte de Boulogne would have been Ctss de Boulogne instead of Guillaume's sister.  In any case, the chronology would be tight for Mathilde to have been Isabelle's daughter.  Until more information comes to light, it is supposed that Mathilde was the daughter of Hamelin by an earlier marriage.  She married secondly Henri [II] Comte d'Eu Lord of Hastings.  She married thirdly Henry de Stuteville Lord of Eckington co Derby, Seigneur de Valmont et de Rames.  The primary source which confirms her third marriage has not yet been identified.  The wording of the charter of her son Pierre, dated to [Jun 1200], suggests that his mother might have died before that date: "Petrus de Pratell" donated annual revenue to Notre-Dame de Beaulieu, for the salvation of "mee et patris mei et matris mee et fratrum meorum...Simonis et Rogeri, Iohannis et Engerranni"[850].  If this charter is correctly dated, at least two of the donor's brothers were alive at that time, while his father was certainly deceased.  The question then is determining the significance, if any, between his parents not being named in the document while his brothers are named.  One possibility is that the unnamed individuals (and therefore including the donor's mother) were deceased, but the named brothers were living.  It should be emphasised that this observation is speculative.  Osbert & his wife had five children:

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