Family Tree Welborn » Elidyr Ddu ap Llywarch (± 1160-????)

Personal data Elidyr Ddu ap Llywarch 

• He was born about 1160.
• He died ?.
• A child of Llywarch ap Cynhaethwy and Rhanallt LNU
• This information was last updated on January 24, 2020.

Household of Elidyr Ddu ap Llywarch

He is married to Sissely ferch Seisyllt.

They got married

Child(ren):

1. Catrin ferch Sir Elidyr Ddu  ± 1190-1250 

Notes about Elidyr Ddu ap Llywarch

Sir Elidyr Ddu is your 24th great grandfather.
You¬â€ 
¬â€ ¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Geneva Allene Welborn¬â€ 
your mother¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Henry Loyd Smith, Sr.¬â€ 
her father¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Edith Lucinda Smith¬â€ 
his mother¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ William M LEE, Will¬â€ 
her father¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Britton Lee¬â€ 
his father·Üí¬â€ William Samuel Lee¬â€ 
his father¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Lemuel Samuel Lee¬â€ 
his father¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Edward Lee, I¬â€ 
his father¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Mary Lee¬â€ 
his mother¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ William Bryan, I¬â€ 
her father¬â€ ·ÜíJohn Smith Bryan, of Nansemond¬â€ 
his father¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Catherine Bryan (Morgan)¬â€ 
his mother¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Sir Thomas Morgan of Llanryhmny¬â€ 
her father¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Catherine Morgan¬â€ 
his mother¬â€ ·ÜíMargred Morgan¬â€ 
her mother¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Thomas Morgan, Esq¬â€ 
her father¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Sir John Morgan, Knight of the Holy Sepulchre¬â€ 
his father¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Denise verch Thomas¬â€ 
his mother¬â€ ·ÜíThomas ap Llewelyn¬â€ 
her father¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Llewelyn ap Hywel¬â€ 
his father¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Hywel Fychan ap Hywel¬â€ 
his father¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Hywel ap Einion¬â€ 
his father¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Einion Sais ap Rhys¬â€ 
his father¬â€ ·ÜíCatrin verch Gruffudd Gwyr¬â€ 
his mother¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Catrin ferch Sir Elidyr Ddu¬â€ 
her mother¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Sir Elidyr Ddu¬â€ 
her father

https://www.geni.com/people/Sir-Elidyr-Ddu/6000000057104247858

Elidyr Ddu ap Gronwy
Gender:
Male
Birth:
circa 1160
Immediate Family:
Son of¬â€ Gronwy ap Einion¬â€ and¬â€ Lliwelydd ferch Einion Clud¬â€ 
Husband of¬â€ Sissely ferch Seisyllt¬â€ 
Father of¬â€ Catrin ferch Sir Elidyr Ddu¬â€ 
Brother of¬â€ Sioned ferch Gronwy¬â€ and¬â€ Alis verch Gronwy¬â€ 

Please see Darrell Wolcott: The Royal Family of Gwynedd: Einion ap Llywarch of Carmanthenshire;¬â€ http://www.ancientwalesstudies.org/id163.html¬â€ :
"This Sir Elidyr Ddu is the man said to have followed Richard the Lionhearted on his 1191 crusade to the Holy¬â€ Land[18].¬â€  It is impossible to say whether he was called "Ddu" in his lifetime since¬â€ historians have completely confounded him with later men called Elidyr Ddu (or perhaps "two") He is the Elidyr Ddu who married Sissely (born c. 1175)¬â€ ferch Seisyllt ap Llewelyn ap Moriddig Warwin ap Drymbenog[19], the latter being a brother of Bleddyn ap Maenyrch of Brychieniog. He did NOT have a son named Elidyr, but he did have a daughter Catryn who married Gruffudd Gwyr ap Cadifor[20] descended from Bleddyn ap Maenyrch.¬â€  That Gruffudd was born c. 1175 in both my charts and those of Bartrum, but must have been in the 4th¬â€ generation after¬â€ Bleddyn and not the 3rd.¬â€  Thus a wife born c. 1175 and a daughter born c. 1190 yields our Elidyr Ddu #1 born c. 1160":
(Steven Ferry, April 7, 2017.)

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