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• Roepnaam is Raoul III Great Count of Valvis Vexin.
• Hij is geboren in het jaar 1010 in le Vexin, Seine Inferieure, Normandie, France.
• Hij werd gedoopt in also known as Raoul the Great.
• Gedoopt (op 8-jarige leeftijd of later) door het priesterschapsgezag van de LDS-kerk.
• Alternatief: Gedoopt (op 8-jarige leeftijd of later) door het priesterschapsgezag van de LDS-kerk op 3 februari 1920.
• Beroepen:
• unknown in Count of Valois and Vexin.
• Count of Valois, Vexin, Montdidier.
• unknown in Count of Valois, Vexin, Montdidier.
• unknown in Count of Valois, Vexin, Montdidier.
• Comte, d'Amiens, de Senlis, de Valois, de Vexin, de Crépy.
• unknown in Count of Valois, Vexin, Montdidier.
• Greve.
• Woonachtig: France.
• Hij is overleden op 8 september 1074 in Péronne, Somme, Picardie, France, hij was toen 64 jaar oud.
• Hij is begraven in L'église Saint-Pierre de MontdidierMontdidier
  Picardy France.
• Deze gegevens zijn voor het laatst bijgewerkt op 23 mei 2018.

Gezin van Raoul "the Great" (Raoul "the Great") "Raoul III Great Count of Valvis Vexin" de Valois III

Hij is getrouwd met Adèle Countesson de Bar-sur-Aube.

Zij zijn getrouwd in het jaar 1043, hij was toen 33 jaar oudBar sur Aube France.

Kind(eren):

1. Adelais de Valois et du Vexin  ± 1034-1080 

Notities over Raoul "the Great" (Raoul "the Great") "Raoul III Great Count of Valvis Vexin" de Valois III

Weis: Count of Valois and Vexin

Name Prefix: Count Name Suffix: Iii, "The Great"

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[Brøderbund WFT Vol. 2, Ed. 1, Tree #1241, Date of Import: May 8, 1997]

!COUNT OF VALOIS[Brøderbund WFT Vol. 2, Ed. 1, Tree #1241, Date of Import: May 8, 1997]

!COUNT OF VALOIS

Not sure if Adele is Raoul III's mother or notl

[1188] WSHNGT.ASC file (Geo Washington Ahnentafel) # 8720862

Raoul, a descendent of Charlemagne, was Count of Valois, Vexin, and Crepy. To this he added Bar-sur-Aube by marrying the heiress, Aelis, Comtesse de Bar-sur-Aube, a widow. However, after signing the marriage-contract but before the nuptials had taken place, the knights of the Chateau de Joigny passed her on to another nobleman. Raoul hurried back and captured the Chateau and his bride, locking her up in La Ferte-sur-Aube, long enough to assure himself she was not pregnant. Again in his absence, she was captured by a local squire but, after being rescued, the nuptials with Raoul took place and they became the parents of two sons and two, perhaps three, daughters.
After Aelis died, Raoul married a lady named Haquenez, but when the king died and his widow became available, Raoul dismissed Haquenez and married the queen-widow. At this, however, Haquenez complained to the pope of being "despoiled of everything by her husband; she had been dismissed on a false charge of fornication."
Raoul was excommunicated, not for adultery but for incest. 'Contrary to the law, he had lain with the wife of the dead king, who was his cousin." [Leo van de Pas]

At least one source indicates that Raoul may have been born in Kiev (? ).

#Générale##Générale#de Crépy-en-Valois, Raoul II le grand de Péronne, Raoul II de Valois
s:hg85.213, hg98.193, hg93.295

note couple : #Générale#s:ds03.657 ; Auréjac

note couple : #Générale#s:ds03.657 et 729a ; Auréjac

note couple : #Générale#s:ds02.128 ; ds03.657

#Générale#Profession : Comte d'Amiens, de Senlis, de Valois et deVexin.

{geni:about_me} Raoul III "le Grand" de Mantes, Comte de Valois et d'Amiens et du Vexin (?-1074)

* Son of Raoul de Mantes and Adela (Alix) de Breteuil.

* Married (1) Aelis de Bar-sur-Aube; (2) Alienor Haquenez, Heiress of Montdidier et Péronne (marriage repudiated); (3) Anna Iaroslavna.

Children:
# Gauthier, Comte de Bar-sur-Aube
# Simon, Comte de Valois, d'Amiens, de Montdidier et de Bar-sur-Aube
# Elisabeth de Valois, Dame de Châteauvillain et d'Arc-en-Barrois. m Barthrlemy Sire de Broyes et de Beaufort
# Adelais, Comtesse de Valois marr. Heribert VI Comte de Vermandois
# Adela (Alix) marr Thibaud (Theobald) III Comte de Blois, Chartres and Champagne

==Medieval Lands Database on FMG==

According to the [http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#_Toc267566274 FMG Medieval Lands database]:

RAOUL [III] “le Grand” (-Péronne 23 Feb or 8 Sep 1074, bur Montdidier, later transferred to Crépy-en-Valois, église collégiale Saint-Arnoul).

* The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Rodulfum" as son of "Rodulfum [filii Gauteri Albus de Albamarla]"[888].
* He succeeded [1030/35] as Comte de Valois.
* He headed the resistance to Henri I King of France from the death of Eudes II Comte de Blois in 1038, and as such led the campaigns of Beauvaisis in 1041[889].
* He succeeded his cousin Gautier [III] as Comte d'Amiens et du Vexin. "Comes Rodulfus et filius meus Walterus et Simon…" donated property to Montiérender by undated charter[890].
* First conseiller in the royal council, he was one of the most powerful and influential nobles in the kingdom.
* He was excommunicated because of the scandal of his third marriage, he reappeared at court only in 1070. "Rodulphus…Ambianensis comes" donated property to Sainte-Marie d'Amiens, with the consent of "Simon filius meus et Gualterus, Gualteri Tyrelli natus", by charter dated 1069, subscribed by "Anna uxor eius"[891]. "Symon comes Barrensium" donated property to the abbey of Molesme for the souls of "parentum suorum Radulfi…comitis et Walterii fratris suis et matris sue Adele" by undated charter, the entry stating that "Radulfus comes" died "VIII Kal Mar"[892].

* m firstly as her fourth husband, '''AELIS de Bar-sur-Aube''', widow firstly of RENAUD de Semur-en-Brionnais, secondly of RENARD Comte de Joigny and thirdly of ROGER [I] avoué de Vignory, daughter and heiress of NOCHER [III] Comte de Bar-sur-Aube et de Vitry-en-Perthois & his wife --- (-11 Sep 1053). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Adala" wife of "comitis Veromandie [error for Valois] Rodolfi" and mother of "Symonem et filiam…Adala", but does not give her origin[893]. The primary source which confirms her parentage and first three marriages has not yet been identified. Her origin is indicated by the undated charter under which her son "Symon comes Barrensium" donated property to the abbey of Molesme for the souls of "parentum suorum Radulfi…comitis et Walterii fratris suis et matris sue Adele"[894]. "Symon comes Barrensium" donated property to the abbey of Molesme for the souls of "parentum suorum Radulfi…comitis et Walterii fratris suis et matris sue Adele" by undated charter, the entry stating that "Adelina comitissa" died "III Id Sep"[895].

* m secondly (repudiated 1060) '''ALIENOR "Haquenez"''', daughter of ---. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified. '''Heiress of Montdidier et Péronne'''. Pope Alexander II wrote to Gervais Archbishop of Reims in 1062 recording that "comes Radulfus" had repudiated his (unnamed) wife on false charges of adultery and requiring him to take her back[896].

* m thirdly ([1061]) as her second husband, '''ANNA Iaroslavna''', widow of HENRI I King of France, daughter of IAROSLAV I Vladimirovich "Mudriy/the Wise" Grand Prince of Kiev & his second wife Ingigerd Olafsdottir of Sweden (1036-5 Sep ([1075/78], bur Abbaye Villiers near La-Ferté-Alais). The Liber Modernorum Regum Francorum records the marriage of "filiam regis Russorum Annam" with King Henri[897]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Anna filia Georgii regis Sclavonum" as wife of King Henri[898]. Consecrated Queen Consort at Reims on her wedding day. Queen Anna caused a scandal in France by her second marriage and was forced to leave the court, although she returned after her second husband's death in 1074[899]. The Liber Modernorum Regum Francorum records the marriage of "Anna, Henrici relicta" and "Rodulfo comitis"[900]. "Rodulphus…Ambianensis comes" donated property to Sainte-Marie d'Amiens, with the consent of "Simon filius meus et Gualterus, Gualteri Tyrelli natus", by charter dated 1069, subscribed by "Anna uxor eius"[901].

Comte Raoul III & his first wife had five children:

a) GAUTHIER (-in battle 6 Sep [1065/1067]). "Comes Rodulfus et filius meus Walterus et Simon…" donated property to Montiérender by undated charter[902]. "Symon comes Barrensium" donated property to the abbey of Molesme for the souls of "parentum suorum Radulfi…comitis et Walterii fratris suis et matris sue Adele" by undated charter, the entry stating that "Walterius comes" died "VIII Id Sep"[903]. Comte de Bar-sur-Aube.

b) SIMON (-Rome [30 Sep/1 Oct] 1080, bur 1082 Rome St Peter). "Comes Rodulfus et filius meus Walterus et Simon…" donated property to Montiérender by undated charter[904]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Symonem et filiam…Adala" children of "comitis Veromandie [error for Valois] Rodolfi" and his wife Adela[905]. "Rodulphus…Ambianensis comes" donated property to Sainte-Marie d'Amiens, with the consent of "Simon filius meus et Gualterus, Gualteri Tyrelli natus", by charter dated 1069, subscribed by "Anna uxor eius"[906]. Comte de Valois, d'Amiens, de Montdidier et de Bar-sur-Aube. The Liber Modernorum Regum Francorum names "Symon filius eius" as successor of "Vadensium comes Rodulfus", recording that he resigned the county and went on a pilgrimage to Rome where he died and was buried "in portico sancti Petri"[907]. He was educated by Mathilde de Flandre, wife of William I King of England, but rejected the betrothal to his daughter[908]. "Symon comes Barrensium" donated property to the abbey of Molesme for the souls of "parentum suorum Radulfi…comitis et Walterii fratris suis et matris sue Adele" by undated charter[909]. He resigned his county in 1077 and became a monk. "Symon comes…effectus monacus" is named in a charter dated [1076?] under which Philippe I King of France confirmed his donations to Cluny[910]. He went on pilgrimage to Rome where he died[911]. The necrology of the Priory of Saint-Martin-des-Champs records the death "Kal Oct" of "Simon comes"[912]. [Betrothed ([after 1069]) to AGATHE de Normandie, daughter of WILLIAM I King of England & his wife Mathilde de Flandre ([1064]-before 1074, bur Bayeux Cathedral). The Vita Simonis records a ficitional speech of William I King of England in which he offers his (unnamed) daughter's hand to Simon, specifying that she had previously been betrothed to "regis Hispaniarum Anfursi et Roberti principis Apuliæ"[913]. The supposed betrothal to Robert of Apulia (which would have to be Robert "Guiscard" Duke of Apulia) is unrecorded in the numerous other sources dealing with his life and is probably pure fiction. This does not inspire confidence with respect to the historical accuracy of the whole passage, but if it is correct the daughter in question would presumably have been Agatha whose betrothal to "Amfursio regi Galliciæ" (presumably Alfonso VI King of Galicia and León, later King of Castile) is recorded by Orderic Vitalis[914].] Betrothed (before 1077) to --- de la Marche, daughter of AUDEBERT [II] Comte de la Marche et du Périgueux & his wife Ponce ---. The Vita Simonis, interpolated in the Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines, records the betrothal of "comes Symon" and "filiam comitis Hildeberti de Alvernis", specifying that Simon fled "ad monasterio de Casa Dei" without his father's knowledge before the marriage[915].

c) [ELISABETH] de Valois (-[12 May 1093/1101]). The primary source which confirms her name, her parentage and marriage has not yet been identified. Dame de Châteauvillain et d'Arc-en-Barrois. m BARTHELEMY Sire de Broyes et de Beaufort, son of HUGUES [I] "Bardoul" Seigneur de Broyes, de Beaufort et de Pithiviers & his wife --- (-after 1072).

d) ADELAIS . The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Symonem et filiam…Adala" as children of "comitis Veromandie [error for Valois] Rodolfi" and his wife Adela[916]. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified. Ctss de Valois. m (before 1068) HERIBERT [VI] Comte de Vermandois, son of EUDES Comte de Vermandois & his wife Pavia --- ([1032]-[1080]).

e) ADELA [Alix] de Valois (-12 May [1093/1100], bur Saint-Faron). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Alaydis soror sancti Symonis" as wife of "comiti Campanie Theobaldo" but confuses her with her niece Adelais, daughter of Héribert [IV] Comte de Vermandois, saying that she married "Hugoni fratri regis Philippi" after the death of her husband[917]. "Teobaudus comes palatinus…cum mulierum Adelaide" donated property to Montiérender by charter dated [1077/81] which names "bone memorie predecessorum…patris sui Odonis comitis et Heriberto cognomento senioris…comes Rodulfus predecessor suus et propinquus"[918], the latter presumably referring to the father-in-law of Comte Thibaut III. "Adeladis comitisse" subscribed the donation to Cluny by "Rotrocus castri Mauritanie comes atque Dunensis castri vicecomes" dated 11 Jan 1078, immediately after "Tetbaldi comitis, Stephani comitis"[919], it being assumed that she was the wife of the former not the latter. The necrology of Saint-Loup, Troyes records the death "XII Mai" of "Aalais uxor Theobaudi comitis Campaniæ" and her burial "in monasterio Sancti Faronis"[920]. m (before 1061) as his third wife, THIBAUT III Count of Blois, Chartres and Champagne, son of EUDES II, Count of Blois, Chartres, Troyes and Champagne & his second wife Ermengarde d'Auvergne ([1010]-29/30 Sep 1089).

==The Peerage==

According to [http://www.thepeerage.com/p14098.htm#i140974 The Peerage]:

Raoul Crepi
M, #140974

Last Edited=7 Feb 2005
Raoul Crepi married Anne of Kiev, daughter of Jarislaus I, Grand Duke of Kiev and Ingegarde of Sweden.1
Citations
[S16] Jirí Louda and Michael MacLagan, Lines of Succession: Heraldry of the Royal Families of Europe, 2nd edition (London, U.K.: Little, Brown and Company, 1999), table 64. Hereinafter cited as Lines of Succession.

==Other sources of information==

Raoul III "the Great" C of Valois

Birth: 1025
Death: 8 SEP 1074
Burial: Crepy
Reference: 1299
Father: Raoul II C of Vexin
Mother: Adelaide of Breteuil

Family 1: Adele of Bar-sur-Aube
Adele de Vexin

comte de Valois Raoul III de Valois1
b. circa 1000?, d. 8 September 1074

FatherRaoul II de Vexin b. after 974, d. 1040
MotherAdelaide de Breteuil2 b. 980
Also called Raoul III "the Great" de Vexin.2 Comte de Valois Raoul III de Valois was born circa 1000?. He was the son of Raoul II de Vexin and Adelaide de Breteuil.2 Comte de Valois Raoul III de Valois married comtesse de Bar-sur-Aube Aelis de Bar-sur-Aube, daughter of Nocher III de Bar-sur-Aube; His 1st. Her 4th.2,1 Comte de Valois Raoul III de Valois married Haquenez (?) between 1054 and 1059; His 2nd (widower).1 Comte de Valois Raoul III de Valois and Haquenez (?) were divorced in 1060.1 Comte de Valois Raoul III de Valois married Anna Yaroslavna, daughter of Yaroslav I Mudriy Vladimirovich, Grand Prince of Kiev and Ingigerth, circa 1061; His 3rd. Her 2nd.1 Comte de Valois Raoul III de Valois died on 23 February 1074 at Peronne, France.1 He died on 8 September 1074.2 Comte de Valois Raoul III de Valois was buried in Crepy, France.1 Comte de Valois Raoul III de Valois was buried in Crepy, Pas-de-Calais, France.2
Family
comtesse de Bar-sur-Aube Aelis de Bar-sur-Aube b. circa 1015, d. 1053
Children
Adelaide de Valois+ b. c 1030, d. bt 12 Apr 1093 - 11001
Adele, comtesse de Valois+ b. b 1043, d. 1118
Citations
[S1146] Pas on Raoul III de Valois, online http://worldroots.clicktron.com/brigitte/famous/r/…+1074.htm.
[S204] Roderick W. Stuart, RfC, 268-33.

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!Count of Vexin

!BIRTH: "Royal Ancestors" by Michel Call - Based on Call Family Pedigrees FHL
film 844805 & 844806, Family History Library, Salt Lake City, UT. Copy of
"Royal Ancestors" owned by Lynn Bernhard, Orem, UT.

Data From Lynn Jeffrey Bernhard, 2445 W 450 South #4, Springville UT 84663-4950
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Data From Lynn Jeffrey Bernhard, 2445 W 450 South #4, Springville UT 84663-4950
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Ancestral File Number: 952N-FT

Ancestral File Number: 952N-FT

_P_CCINFO 2-2438

Raoul III van Valois, ovl. 23.02.1074 in Péronne, begraven in Crépy, ref. nr. 23.06.2005 ES I.1-7, ES III.4-657.4,8 Graaf van Valois, Crépy en van Vitry. Graaf van Amiens en Vexin 1064. Voogd van St-Denis Jumièges, St-Wandrille, St-Pièrre van Chartres en St-Arnoul in Crépy. Vermeld 1043. Hij trouwt (2) Haquenez, verstoten, trouwt (3) ca. 1061 Anna Jaroslawna van Kiev, regentesse van Frankrijk, weduwe van koning Hendrik I van Frankrijk. Hij trouwde met Adèle van Bar-sur-Aube.

KNOWN AS "THE GREAT"; COUNT OF VALOIS & VEXIN

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BIOGRAPHY
Raoul was the son of Raoul II de Valois, count of Amiens, Valois and Crépy, and Adèle de Breteuil. A descendant of Charlemagne, he was count of Valois, Vexin and Crépy. To this he added Bar-sur-Aube by marrying the heiress Aelis, comtesse de Bar-sur-Aube, who was a widow. However, after the marriage contract had been signed but before the nuptials had taken place, the knights of the château de Joigny passed her on to another nobleman. Raoul hurried back and captured both the château de Joigny and his bride, locking her up in La Ferté-sur-Aube long enough to assure him she was not pregnant. Again in his absence a local squire captured her. However, after she was rescued again the nuptials with Raoul finally took place and they became the parents of two sons and two, perhaps three, daughters.

After Aelis died, Raoul married a lady named Haquenez. However when King Henri I died and his widow Anna of Kiev became available, Raoul dismissed Haquenez and married the queen-widow. Haquenez complained to the pope of being 'despoiled of everything by her husband; she had been dismissed on a false charge of fornication'.

Raoul was excommunicated, not for adultery but for incest. 'Contrary to the law, he had lain with the wife of the dead king, who was his cousin.'

Count of Valois and Vexin

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