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Kind(eren):
ENGUERRAND d’Orbais, son of BERNARD d’Orbais & his wife Ida de Coucy (-1185 or after). The Annales Lobienses refer to the two daughters of "Thomam de Marla" & his wife, specifying that one (unnamed, mentioned first) married "Alardo de Cymaco" by whom she was mother of "Gilonem" and after his death "Bernardo de Urbais", by whom she was mother of "Engelranum"[2452]. “Engelrannum de Orbais nobilem virum cum matre sua Ida nobili femina” settled disputes with Waulsort concerning “villam...Roserias”, for “patrique suo Bernardo et matri Ide orationes”, by charter dated 17 Sep 1160[2453]. “Godefridus...dux Lotharingie et comes Bracbantie” donated “ecclesie...in Pervweiz” to Heylissem abbey, specifying that “comes de Duraz...a quo Engelrandus de Orbais...infiodatus est” was “inbeneficatus a nobis” and that “Godefridum de Sumbreffia” also donated “dimidia parte huius beneficii”, by charter dated 1171[2454]. Bruno Archdeacon of Liège confirmed the donation of “ecclesie...in Peruuueis” to Heylissem abbey made by “quatuor viri nobiles quorum fundus fuit ecclesie...dux Godefridus, comes Egidius, Eigelramus, Godefridus” by charter dated 1171[2455]. "…Inierannus de Orbais…" witnessed the marriage contract dated 1179 between "Comitem Flandriæ Philippum…Mathildis neptis comitis" and "ducem Lovaniæ Godefridum…Henrici filii ducis"[2456]. The necrology of Brogne records the death "II Non Sep" of "Engelrannus miles de Orbais"[2457].
[m [firstly] ([1161]) as her second husband, JULIANE de Duras, widow of GODEFROI Comte de Montaigu et de Clermont, daughter of OTTO [II] Comte de Duras & his wife Berthe de Ribemont (-1164). Europäische Stammtafeln indicates that Juliane de Duras married Enguerrand d’Orbais as her second husband[2458]. Presumably this suggestion is based on the following charter: “Godefridus...dux Lotharingie et comes Bracbantie” donated “ecclesie...in Pervweiz” to Heylissem abbey, specifying that “comes de Duraz...a quo Engelrandus de Orbais...infiodatus est” was “inbeneficatus a nobis” and that “Godefridum de Sumbreffia” also donated “dimidia parte huius beneficii”[2459]. This document does indicate some Duras/Orbais family connection but its wording is insufficiently precise to conclude that this supposed second marriage took place. In addition, the chronology of the Duras and Orbais families is not favourable for such a marriage. Another charter confirms that the Brabant, Duras and Orbais families were joint donors of the church of Perwez, although the basis of their joint interest has not been ascertained: Bruno Archdeacon of Liège confirmed the donation of “ecclesie...in Peruuueis” to Heylissem abbey made by “quatuor viri nobiles quorum fundus fuit ecclesie...dux Godefridus, comes Egidius, Eigelramus, Godefridus” by charter dated 1171[2460]. As noted below, the chronology suggests that it is unlikely that Enguerrand’s children could have been born from his supposed marriage to Juliane.]
m [secondly] ---. The chronology of Enguerrand’s children suggests that they could not have been born from his supposed marriage to Juliane de Duras. In particular, it is unlikely that his daughter, whose first marriage is dated to “before 1206” could have been born before Juliane died in 1164.
Enguerrand & his [second] wife had three children:
GOBERT d’Orbais (-before 1232).
SIGER d’Orbais . 1217.
MARIE d’Orbais (-after 10 Apr 1233)
Bronnen:
[2452] Annales Lobienses 8, MGH SS XIII, p. 253.
[2453] Analectes Belgique, Tome XVI (1879), Documents Waulsort, XIII, p. 23.
[2454] Heylissem, XXI, p. 214.
[2455] Heylissem, XXII, p. 216.
[2456] Butkens (1724), Vol. I, Preuves, p. 43.
[2457] Barbier, J. (ed.) ‘Obituaire de l’abbaye de Brogne ou de Saint-Gérard’, Analectes pour servir à l’histoire ecclésiastique de la Belgique, Tome XVIII (2e série, Tome II) (Louvain, 1882) ("Brogne Necrology"), p. 339.
[2458] ES VIII 25.
[2459] Heylissem, XXI, p. 214.
[2460] Heylissem, XXII, p. 216.
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