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Persoonlijke gegevens Alpaïs "Alpeida" de Paris 

• Roepnaam is Alpeida.
• Zij is geboren rond 764 TO ABT 824 in Aachen, Nordrhein-Westfalen, DeutschlandAachen, Nordrhein-Westfalen.
• Gedoopt (op 8-jarige leeftijd of later) door het priesterschapsgezag van de LDS-kerk op 11 december 1933 in Salt Lake City Utah Temple, Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah, Verenigde Staten.
• Alternatief: Gedoopt (op 8-jarige leeftijd of later) door het priesterschapsgezag van de LDS-kerk op 11 december 1933.
• Alternatief: Gedoopt (op 8-jarige leeftijd of later) door het priesterschapsgezag van de LDS-kerk op 27 juni 1938.
• Alternatief: Gedoopt (op 8-jarige leeftijd of later) door het priesterschapsgezag van de LDS-kerk op 27 juni 1938.
• Alternatief: Gedoopt (op 8-jarige leeftijd of later) door het priesterschapsgezag van de LDS-kerk op 27 juni 1938.
• Alternatief: Gedoopt (op 8-jarige leeftijd of later) door het priesterschapsgezag van de LDS-kerk op 27 juni 1938 in Logan Utah Temple, Logan, Cache, Utah, Verenigde Staten.
• Beroepen:
• in Abbess of St. Peter's at Rheims.

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• in Princess of the Holy Roman Empire.

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• in Abbessof St Peter's-Rheims.
• Zij is overleden op 23 JUL 852 TO ABT 896 in Abbaye Saint-Pierre-les-DamesRheims, (Present Région Champagne-Ardenne), France.
• Zij is begraven op 29 mei 852 in Abbaye Saint-Pierre-les-DamesRheims, (Present Région Champagne-Ardenne), France.
• Een kind van Louis I "le Pieux" / "The Pious" / "le Debonnaire" des Francs en Unknown / Theodelinde? de Sens
• Deze gegevens zijn voor het laatst bijgewerkt op 13 juni 2012.

Gezin van Alpaïs "Alpeida" de Paris

Zij is getrouwd met Bégon husband of Alpaida - daughter of Charlemagne & Amaltrude de Paris.

Zij zijn getrouwd rond 803 te Paris, Ile-de-France, France.

Kind(eren):

1. Susanne de Paris  ± 809-± 865 
2. Engeltron de Paris  ± 810-???? 
3. Landrée de Paris  ± 804-???? 
4. Leuthard II de Paris  ± 816-899 

Notities over Alpaïs "Alpeida" de Paris

Alias: /Alpais/ REFERENCE: 1958

[3689] or Alpis [3689] or Alpis

[Geoffrey De Normandie, Gedcom BSJTK Smith Family Tree.ged]

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GIVN Alpais (Aupals) of
SURN Paris
NSFX *
DeadCharlemagne Family History:
Children with Unknown Spouse
iii. Aupais
Aupais married Begue. Begue (he) was born in 0816.

!Name is;l Adelinda, Bastard of The /HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE/

!Name isl Alpaide (Alpais), Princess Of The /HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE/

824 ?

child of Louis-1 ?

#Générale#Abbesse de St-Pierre de Reims après veuvage ca 817.

{geni:occupation} Abbesse de Saint Pierre le Bas, à Rheims (Abbess in Reims)

{geni:about_me} =The Problem of Count Begue & his 3 possible wives=

Count Begue/Beggo/ Begon has 2 (or 3) equally likely wives according to original sources – but sharing descendents Luithard, Eberhard, Susanna:

Either his wife (and mother of these 3 kids) was Charlemagne’s daughter:

=1) Alpaida (by Amaltrude) or

'''2) Amaudra (by Himiltrude)''' - less convincingly sourced than the other two, at the moment ,

or she was Charlemagne’s granddaughter:

'''3) Alpais (through his son, Louis I)'''

'''Sources:''' From Charles Cawley's Medieval Lands database
From Charles Cawley's [http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANKISH%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc169575355 Medieval Lands database]

['''BEGO''' ([755/60]-28 Oct 816). The primary source which establishes that Bego was the son of Gerard has not so far been identified. Marquis de Septimanie: Bego governed the county of Toulouse as "marchio" for Septimania from 806. He was chambrier, equivalent to viceroy, for Louis King of Aquitaine (son of Emperor Charlemagne)[65]. Comte de Paris in [815], succeeding comte Stephanus. He founded the Abbey of Saint-Maur-des-Fossés near Paris. The necrology of the abbey of Saint-Germain-des-Prés records the death "V Kal Nov" of "Begoni comitis"[66].

[m firstly ---. There is no proof of this possible first marriage of Bego. However, as noted below, if his wife Alpais was the daughter of Emperor Louis, there would have been a considerable age difference between her and Bego, which suggests the possibility of an earlier marriage.]

m [secondly] ([806]) '''ALPAIS, illegitimate daughter of [Emperor LOUIS I & his mistress ---]''' ([793/94]-23 Jul 852 or after, bur [Reims]). Flodoard refers to "Ludowicus Alpheidi filie sue uxori Begonis comitis"[67]. The Annales Hildesheimenses name "filiam imperatoris…Elpheid" as the wife of "Bicgo de amici regis" when recording the death of her husband[68]. Settipani discusses the debate about the paternity of Alpais, preferring the theory that Emperor Charles I was her father[69]. If Emperor Louis was her father, it is unlikely that she was born before [793/94], given his known birth date in 778. It would therefore be chronologically tight for her to have had [three] children by her husband before his death in 816.
[Sharon’s Note: Not really – it makes her 23yrs old when he dies. Charlemagne’s wife Hildegard had had 9 children by the time she died at 23 or 24yrs]
However, no indication has been found in primary sources of the ages of these children when their father died. The question of her paternity is obviously not beyond doubt, but it is felt preferable to show her as the probable daughter of Emperor Louis in view of the clear statement in Flodoard. If Alpais was the daughter of Emperor Louis, it is likely that she was not her husband's only wife in view of his estimated birth date. After her husband died, she became abbess of Saint-Pierre-le-Bas at Reims in [817]. She was still there 29 May 852.

Bego & his [second] wife had three children:

i) LIUTHARD . Flodoard names "ipsius Alpheidis vel filiorum eius Letardi et Ebrardi" when recording their mother's donation to the church of Reims[70].

ii) EBERHARD . Flodoard names "ipsius Alpheidis vel filiorum eius Letardi et Ebrardi" when recording their mother's donation to the church of Reims[71].

iii) SUSANNA ([805/10]-). The primary source which establishes that Susanna was the daughter of Bego has not so far been identified. "Vulfardus" donated property to Saint-Benoît-sur-Loire for the souls of "genitoris mei Vulfardi et genetrice mea Susannane necnon et germanorum fratrum meorum Adelardo, Vulgrino, Ymo et sorore mee Hildeburga vel nepote meo Vulgrino" by charter dated 2 Nov 889[72]. m ([825/30]) VULFHARD, son of ---.

'''STATUS OF DEBATE by Curators Justin, Pam, Ben, Sharon (DISCUSSION INVITED) - Jan 2011''': The 10th Century chronicler, Flodoard is a primary source, while both Cawley and Settipani are secondary sources - presenting conflicting conclusions. Settipani (arguing for Charlemagne's daughter), contradicts Flodoard (arguing for Louis' daughter), based on consideration of other primary sources (which we haven't found). Cawley appears to be most likely to dominate because, although Settipani's conclusions are possibly more accurate, Cawley is more available to Geni users on the net.

'''MY (Sharon) STRATEGIC SOLUTION HAS BEEN TO INSERT BEGUE in ALL 3 POSITIONS, & TRY TO USE THE CURATOR NOTE TO AVOID MERGES BETWEEN THEM.'''

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=The Problem of Count Begue & his 3 possible wives=

Count Begue/Beggo/ Begon has 2 (or 3) equally likely wives according to original sources – but sharing descendents Luithard, Eberhard, Susanna:

Either his wife (and mother of these 3 kids) was Charlemagne’s daughter:

'''1) Alpaida (by Amaltrude),''' or

'''2) Amaudra (by Himiltrude)''' - less convincingly sourced than the other two, at the moment ,

or she was Charlemagne’s granddaughter:

='''3) Alpais (through his son, Louis I)'''=

'''Sources:'
From Charles Cawley's [http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANKISH%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc169575355 Medieval Lands database]

['''BEGO''' ([755/60]-28 Oct 816). The primary source which establishes that Bego was the son of Gerard has not so far been identified. Marquis de Septimanie: Bego governed the county of Toulouse as "marchio" for Septimania from 806. He was chambrier, equivalent to viceroy, for Louis King of Aquitaine (son of Emperor Charlemagne)[65]. Comte de Paris in [815], succeeding comte Stephanus. He founded the Abbey of Saint-Maur-des-Fossés near Paris. The necrology of the abbey of Saint-Germain-des-Prés records the death "V Kal Nov" of "Begoni comitis"[66].

[m firstly ---. There is no proof of this possible first marriage of Bego. However, as noted below, if his wife Alpais was the daughter of Emperor Louis, there would have been a considerable age difference between her and Bego, which suggests the possibility of an earlier marriage.]

m [secondly] ([806]) '''ALPAIS, illegitimate daughter of [Emperor LOUIS I & his mistress ---]''' ([793/94]-23 Jul 852 or after, bur [Reims]). Flodoard refers to "Ludowicus Alpheidi filie sue uxori Begonis comitis"[67]. The Annales Hildesheimenses name "filiam imperatoris…Elpheid" as the wife of "Bicgo de amici regis" when recording the death of her husband[68]. Settipani discusses the debate about the paternity of Alpais, preferring the theory that Emperor Charles I was her father[69]. If Emperor Louis was her father, it is unlikely that she was born before [793/94], given his known birth date in 778. It would therefore be chronologically tight for her to have had [three] children by her husband before his death in 816.
[Sharon’s Note: Not really – it makes her 23yrs old when he dies. Charlemagne’s wife Hildegard had had 9 children by the time she died at 23 or 24yrs]
However, no indication has been found in primary sources of the ages of these children when their father died. The question of her paternity is obviously not beyond doubt, but it is felt preferable to show her as the probable daughter of Emperor Louis in view of the clear statement in Flodoard. If Alpais was the daughter of Emperor Louis, it is likely that she was not her husband's only wife in view of his estimated birth date. After her husband died, she became abbess of Saint-Pierre-le-Bas at Reims in [817]. She was still there 29 May 852.

Bego & his [second] wife had three children:

i) LIUTHARD . Flodoard names "ipsius Alpheidis vel filiorum eius Letardi et Ebrardi" when recording their mother's donation to the church of Reims[70].

ii) EBERHARD . Flodoard names "ipsius Alpheidis vel filiorum eius Letardi et Ebrardi" when recording their mother's donation to the church of Reims[71].

iii) SUSANNA ([805/10]-). The primary source which establishes that Susanna was the daughter of Bego has not so far been identified. "Vulfardus" donated property to Saint-Benoît-sur-Loire for the souls of "genitoris mei Vulfardi et genetrice mea Susannane necnon et germanorum fratrum meorum Adelardo, Vulgrino, Ymo et sorore mee Hildeburga vel nepote meo Vulgrino" by charter dated 2 Nov 889[72]. m ([825/30]) VULFHARD, son of ---.

'''STATUS OF DEBATE by Curators Justin, Pam, Ben, Sharon (DISCUSSION INVITED) - Jan 2011''': The 10th Century chronicler, Flodoard is a primary source, while both Cawley and Settipani are secondary sources - presenting conflicting conclusions. Settipani (arguing for Charlemagne's daughter), contradicts Flodoard (arguing for Louis' daughter), based on consideration of other primary sources (which we haven't found). Cawley appears to be most likely to dominate because, although Settipani's conclusions are possibly more accurate, Cawley is more available to Geni users on the net.

'''MY (Sharon) STRATEGIC SOLUTION HAS BEEN TO INSERT BEGUE in ALL 3 POSITIONS, & TRY TO USE THE CURATOR NOTE TO AVOID MERGES BETWEEN THEM.'''

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'''Alpais - Alpaïde'''

likely daughter of '''Louis I and unknown concubine'''

In later life, she became '''Abbesse de St-Pierre-de-Reims'''

married '''Bego (Begue) Count of Paris'''

Children:
* '''Liuthard'''
* '''Eberhard'''
* '''Susanna'''

=-----------------------------=
'''Alpaida's''' ancestry is in doubt. She was the daughter or half-sister of Louis the Pious. Wikipedia favors the older theory that there were two women of the same name, one of whom was daughter of Charlemagne and married Beggue, Count of Paris, and the other a daughter of Louis and married Albéric, Count of Alsace:

* Charlemagne's third known concubine was Amaltrud of Vienne. By her he had '''Alpaida (b.794)''' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlemagne).

* Louis the Pious had two illegitimate children by his concubine, including a daughter '''Alpais''' by Theodelinde of Sens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_the_Pious).

Charles Cawley supports the view that the wife of Beggue was possibly a daughter of Louis, but does not call her a wife of Albéric:

>[ALPAIS ([793/94]-23 Jul 852 or after, bur [Reims]). Flodoard refers to "Ludowicus Alpheidi filie sue uxori Begonis comitis"[219]. The Annales Hildesheimenses name "filiam imperatoris…Elpheid" as the wife of "Bicgo de amici regis" when recording the death of her husband[220]. Settipani discusses the debate about the paternity of Alpais, preferring the theory that Emperor Charles I was her father[221]. If Emperor Louis was her father, it is unlikely that she was born before [793/94], given his known birth date in 778. It would therefore be chronologically tight for her to have had [three] children by her husband before his death in 816. However, no indication has been found in primary sources of the age of these children when their father died. The question of Alpais's paternity is obviously not beyond doubt, but it is felt preferable to show her as the possible daughter of Emperor Louis in view of the clear statement in Flodoard. No indication has been found of the name of Alpais's mother. If Alpais was the daughter of Emperor Louis, it is likely that she was not her husband's only wife in view of Bego's estimated birth date. After her husband died, she became abbess of Saint-Pierre-le-Bas at Reims in [817]. She was still there 29 May 852. m ([806]) [as his second wife,] BEGO, son of [GERARD [I] Comte de Paris & his wife Rotrud] ([755/60]-28 Oct 816). He governed the county of Toulouse as "marchio" for Septimania in 806. Comte de Paris in [815], succeeding comte Stephanus.] (Medlands, [http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CAROLINGIANS.htm#_Toc240955193 Carolingians].)

Sharon's NOTE: It seems worth pointing out that this is the Wikipedia version (Jan 2011), and Cawley's Medlands doesn't mention an Alpaida or an Amaltrude.
A possible reason is that the Wikipedia concubine, Amaltrud, is the NN concubine of Cawley.(I have discussed on those profiles the arguments for and against both attributions)
Also to bear in mind is that Charlemagne has a grandaughter through his son, Louis I, called '''Alpais''' (born 793), whose name may also cause confusion.

She became Abbess of Saint-Peter's, Rheims, after the death of her husband.

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From the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy page on France Carolingian Kings (covering her parents and fellow illegitimate child):

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CAROLINGIANS.htm#LouisIEmperorB

LOUIS [Hludowic], son of CHARLES I King of the Franks & his second wife Hildegard (Chasseneuil-du-Poitou {Vienne} [16 Apr/Sep] 778-island in the Rhine near Ingelheim 20 Jun 840, bur Metz, église abbatiale de Saint-Arnoul[178]).

He is named, and his parentage recorded, in the Gesta Mettensium, which specifies that he was his parents' third son, born a twin with Hlothar[179].

Crowned King of the Aquitainians in Rome 15 Apr 781 by Pope Hadrian I. His armies occupied Girona, Urgel and Cerdanya in 785 and besieged Barcelona 802, establishing the "March of Spain"[180]. At the partition of territories agreed at Thionville in 806, he was designated sovereign of Aquitaine, Gascony, Septimania, Provence and southern Burgundy.

His father named him as his successor at Aix-la-Chapelle, crowning him as joint emperor 11 Sep 813[181]. On his father's death, he adopted the title Emperor LOUIS I “der Fromme/le Pieux” 2 Feb 814, and was crowned at Reims [Jul/Aug] 816 by Pope Stephen IV. He did not use the titles king of the Franks or king of Italy so as to emphasise the unity of the empire[182].

He promulgated the Ordinatio Imperii at Worms in 817, which established his eldest son as his heir, his younger sons having a subordinate status, a decision which was eventually to lead to civil war between his sons. His nephew Bernard King of Italy, ignored in the Ordinatio Imperii, rebelled against his uncle, but was defeated and killed. After his death, Italy was placed under the direct rule of the emperor.

Emperor Louis crowned his son Lothaire as joint emperor at Aix-la-Chapelle in Jul 817, his primary status over his brothers being confirmed once more at the Assembly of Nijmegen 1 May 821. In Nov 824, Emperor Louis placed Pope Eugene II under his protection, effectively subordinating the papal role to that of the emperor.

The birth of his son Charles by his second marriage in 823 worsened relations with his sons by his first marriage, the tension being further increased when Emperor Louis invested Charles with Alemannia, Rhætia, Alsace and part of Burgundy at Worms in Aug 829, reducing the territory of his oldest son Lothaire to Italy.

His older sons revolted in Mar 830 and captured their father at Compiègne, forcing him to revert to the 817 constitutional arrangements. However, Emperor Louis reasserted his authority at the assemblies of Nijmegen in Oct 830 and Aix-la-Chapelle in Feb 831, depriving Lothaire of the imperial title and relegating him once more to Italy. A further revolt of the brothers followed.

Emperor Louis was defeated and deposed by his sons at Compiègne 1 Oct 833. He was exiled to the monastery of Saint-Médard de Soissons. His eldest son Lothaire declared himself sole emperor but was soon overthrown by his brothers Pepin and Louis, who freed their father.

Emperor Louis was crowned once more at Metz 28 Feb 835. He proposed yet another partition of territories in favour of his son Charles at the assembly of Aix-la-Chapelle in 837, implemented at the assembly of Worms 28 May 839 when he installed his sons Lothaire and Charles jointly, setting aside the claims of his sons Pepin and Louis. This naturally led to revolts by Pepin in Aquitaine and Louis in Germany, which their father was in the process of suppressing when he died[183].

The Annales Fuldenses record the death "in insulam quondam Rheni fluminis prope Ingilenheim XII Kal Iul 840" of Emperor Louis and his burial "Mettis civitatem…in basilica sancti Arnulfi"[184]. The necrology of Prüm records the death "840 12 Kal Iul" of "Ludvicus imperator"[185]. The necrology of St Gall records the death "XII Kal Jul" of "Hludowicus imperator in insula Rheni quiæ est sita iuxta palatium Ingelheim"[186]. The Obituaire de Notre-Dame de Paris records the death "XII Kal Jul" of "Ludovicus imperator"[187]. The necrology of the abbey of Saint-Denis records the death "XII Kal Jul" of "Ludovicus imperator"[188].

m firstly ([794]) ERMENGARD, daughter of ENGUERRAND Comte [de Hesbaye] & his wife --- ([775/80]-Angers 3 Oct 818[189], bur Angers).

Thegan's Vita Hludowici Imperatoris names the wife of Emperor Ludwig "filiam nobilissimi ducis Ingorammi…Irmingarda"[190].

The Gesta Francorum records the death "818 V Non Oct" of "Irmingardis regina"[191]. The Vita Hludowici Imperatoris records the death "V Non Oct" of "Hirmingardis regina" three days after falling ill[192].

m secondly (Aix-la-Chapelle Feb 819) JUDITH, daughter of WELF [I] Graf [von Altdorf] & his wife Heilwig --- ([805]-Tours 19 Apr 843, bur Tours Saint-Martin).

The Annales Xantenses record the marriage in Feb 819 of "Ludewicus imperator" and "Iudith"[193]. Thegan names "filiam Hwelfi ducis sui, qui erat de nobolissima progenie Bawariorum…Iudith…ex parte matris…Eigilwi nobilissimi generic Saxonici" as second wife of Emperor Ludwig, specifying that she was "enim pulchra valde"[194]. Einhard's Annales record that Emperor Louis chose "Huelpi comitis filiam…Judith" as his wife in 819 after "inspectis plerisque nobelium filiabus"[195].

Judith was influential with her husband, which increased the tensions with the emperor's sons by his first marriage. Thegan's Vita Hludowici Imperatoris records that "quondam duce Bernhardo, qui erat de stirpe regali" was accused of violating "Iudith reginam" but comments that this was all lies[196].

Judith was exiled to the monastery of Sainte-Croix de Poitiers during the first rebellion of her stepsons in 830, was released in 831, but exiled again to Tortona in Italy in 833 from where she was brought back in Apr 834[197].

The necrology of the abbey of Saint-Denis records the death "XIII Kal Mai" of "Judith regina"[198]. The Annales Xantenses record the death in 843 of "Iudhit imperatrix mater Karoli" at Tours[199].

Mistress (1): ---. The name of Emperor Lothar's mistress or mistresses is not known.

---

Emperor Louis I had [two] illegitimate children by Mistress (1):

10. [ALPAIS ([793/94]-23 Jul 852 or after, bur [Reims]).

Flodoard refers to "Ludowicus Alpheidi filie sue uxori Begonis comitis"[218]. The Annales Hildesheimenses name "filiam imperatoris…Elpheid" as the wife of "Bicgo de amici regis" when recording the death of her husband[219].

Settipani discusses the debate about the paternity of Alpais, preferring the theory that Emperor Charles I was her father[220]. If Emperor Louis was her father, it is unlikely that she was born before [793/94], given his known birth date in 778. It would therefore be chronologically tight for her to have had [three] children by her husband before his death in 816. However, no indication has been found in primary sources of the age of these children when their father died.

The question of Alpais's paternity is obviously not beyond doubt, but it is felt preferable to show her as the possible daughter of Emperor Louis in view of the clear statement in Flodoard. No indication has been found of the name of Alpais's mother. If Alpais was the daughter of Emperor Louis, it is likely that she was not her husband's only wife in view of Bego's estimated birth date.

After her husband died, she became abbess of Saint-Pierre-le-Bas at Reims in [817]. She was still there 29 May 852.

m ([806]) [as his second wife,] BEGO, son of [GERARD [I] Comte de Paris & his wife Rotrud] ([755/60]-28 Oct 816).

He governed the county of Toulouse as "marchio" for Septimania in 806. Comte de Paris in [815], succeeding comte Stephanus.]

11. ARNOUL ([794]-after [Mar/Apr] 841).

The Chronicon Moissacense names "quartum…filium [Ludovici]…ex concubina…Arnulfum" recording that his father gave him the county of Sens[221].

Comte de Sens 817.

He was a supporter of his half-brother Emperor Lothaire in [Mar/Apr] 841[222].

References:

[178] Nithard I.8, p. 140.

[179] Pauli Gesta Episcop. Mettensium, MGH SS II, p. 265.

[180] Settipani, C. and Kerrebrouck, P. van (1993) La préhistoire des Capétiens 481-987, 1ère partie, Mérovingiens, Carolingiens et Robertiens (Villeneuve d'Ascq), p. 250.

[181] RFA 813, p. 95.

[182] Settipani (1993), p. 252.

[183] Settipani (1993), pp. 252-3.

[184] Annales Fuldensium Pars Secunda, auctore Euodolfo 840, MGH SS I, p. 362.

[185] Annales Necrologici Prumienses, MGH SS XIII, p. 219.

[186] Libri Anniversariorum et Necrologium Monasterii Sancti Galli, Konstanz Necrologies, p. 462.

[187] Obituaires de Sens Tome I.1, Obituaire de Notre-Dame de Paris, p. 227.

[188] Obituaires de Sens Tome I.1, Abbaye de Saint-Denis, p. 320.

[189] RFA 818, p. 104.

[190] Thegani Vita Hludowici Imperatoris 4, MGH SS II, p. 591.

[191] Gesta quorundam regum Francorum 818, MGH SS I, p. 356.

[192] Vita Hludowici Imperatoris 31, MGH SS II, p. 623.

[193] Annales Xantenses 819, MGH SS II, p. 224.

[194] Thegani Vita Hludowici Imperatoris 26, MGH SS II, p. 596.

[195] Einhardi Annales 819, MGH SS I, p. 206.

[196] Thegani Vita Hludowici Imperatoris 36, MGH SS II, p. 597.

[197] Settipani (1993), pp. 254-5.

[198] Obituaires de Sens Tome I.1, Abbaye de Saint-Denis, p. 315.

[199] Annales Xantenses 843, MGH SS II, p. 227.

[218] Flodoardus Remensis Historia Remensis Ecclesiæ IV, XLVI, MGH SS XXXVI, p. 448.

[219] Annales Hildesheimenses 815, MGH SS III, p. 42.

[220] Settipani (1993), pp. 200-02.

[221] Chronicon Moissacense 817, MGH SS I, p. 312.

[222] Settipani (1993), p. 255.

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From the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy page on Frankish Nobility:

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANKISH%20NOBILITY.htm#Beggodied816

[BEGO ([755/60]-28 Oct 816).

The primary source which establishes that Bego was the son of Gerard has not so far been identified.

Marquis de Septimanie: Bego governed the county of Toulouse as "marchio" for Septimania from 806. He was chambrier, equivalent to viceroy, for Louis King of Aquitaine (son of Emperor Charlemagne)[65].

Comte de Paris in [815], succeeding comte Stephanus.

He founded the Abbey of Saint-Maur-des-Fossés near Paris.

The necrology of the abbey of Saint-Germain-des-Prés records the death "V Kal Nov" of "Begoni comitis"[66].

[m firstly ---. There is no proof of this possible first marriage of Bego. However, as noted below, if his wife Alpais was the daughter of Emperor Louis, there would have been a considerable age difference between her and Bego, which suggests the possibility of an earlier marriage.]

m [secondly] ([806]) ALPAIS, illegitimate daughter of [Emperor LOUIS I & his mistress ---] ([793/94]-23 Jul 852 or after, bur [Reims]).

Flodoard refers to "Ludowicus Alpheidi filie sue uxori Begonis comitis"[67]. The Annales Hildesheimenses name "filiam imperatoris…Elpheid" as the wife of "Bicgo de amici regis" when recording the death of her husband[68].

Settipani discusses the debate about the paternity of Alpais, preferring the theory that Emperor Charles I was her father[69]. If Emperor Louis was her father, it is unlikely that she was born before [793/94], given his known birth date in 778. It would therefore be chronologically tight for her to have had [three] children by her husband before his death in 816. However, no indication has been found in primary sources of the ages of these children when their father died.

The question of her paternity is obviously not beyond doubt, but it is felt preferable to show her as the probable daughter of Emperor Louis in view of the clear statement in Flodoard. If Alpais was the daughter of Emperor Louis, it is likely that she was not her husband's only wife in view of his estimated birth date.

After her husband died, she became abbess of Saint-Pierre-le-Bas at Reims in [817]. She was still there 29 May 852.

Bego & his [second] wife had three children:

i) LIUTHARD . Flodoard names "ipsius Alpheidis vel filiorum eius Letardi et Ebrardi" when recording their mother's donation to the church of Reims[70].

ii) EBERHARD . Flodoard names "ipsius Alpheidis vel filiorum eius Letardi et Ebrardi" when recording their mother's donation to the church of Reims[71].

iii) SUSANNA ([805/10]-). The primary source which establishes that Susanna was the daughter of Bego has not so far been identified. "Vulfardus" donated property to Saint-Benoît-sur-Loire for the souls of "genitoris mei Vulfardi et genetrice mea Susannane necnon et germanorum fratrum meorum Adelardo, Vulgrino, Ymo et sorore mee Hildeburga vel nepote meo Vulgrino" by charter dated 2 Nov 889[72].

m ([825/30]) VULFHARD, son of ---.

References:

[65] Settipani, C. and Kerrebrouck, P. van (1993) La préhistoire des Capétiens 481-987, 1ère partie, Mérovingiens, Carolingiens et Robertiens (Villeneuve d'Ascq), p. 201.

[66] Obituaires de Sens Tome I.1, Abbaye de Saint-Germain-des-Prés, p. 276.

[67] Flodoardus Remensis Historia Remensis Ecclesiæ IV, XLVI, MGH SS XXXVI, p. 448.

[68] Annales Hildesheimenses 815, MGH SS III, p. 42.

[69] Settipani (1993), pp. 200-02.

[70] Flodoardus Remensis Historia Remensis Ecclesiæ IV, XLVI, MGH SS XXXVI, p. 448.

[71] Flodoardus Remensis Historia Remensis Ecclesiæ IV, XLVI, MGH SS XXXVI, p. 448.

[72] Saint-Benoît-sur-Loire XXXI, p. 85.

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Ben M. Angel notes: The Holy Roman Empire did not exist during this person's lifetime. The title to which Louis I, her possible father, held was that of "Emperor of the Romans". The Holy Roman Empire did not exist until 2 February 962, when Otto I was crowned the first Emperor of the entity that would later take that name. Reference:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Roman_Empire

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_I_the_Great

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Sources: RC 250, 269. 350; NEHGR v99, A. Roots 191; AF.

Roots: Natural daughter of Charlemagne. Also called Aupals.

An abbess of St. Peter's at Rheims.[joyeuse.FTW]

[De La Pole.FTW]

Sources: RC 250, 269. 350; NEHGR v99, A. Roots 191; AF.

Roots: Natural daughter of Charlemagne. Also called Aupals.

An abbess of St. Peter's at Rheims.[royalty_combined6.FTW]

Aupais

SOURCES: LDS FHL Ancestral FIle #9GCT-11 (familysearch.org)

WEB:

"Ancestors/Descendants of Royal Lines" (Contributors: F. L. Jacquier (History of Charlemagne by Christian Settipani); L. Orlandini, ManuelAbranches de Soveral, Reynaud de Paysac, F.L. J P de Palmas (Aurejacet Tournemire; Frankish line; The Complete Peerage, Jacquier (Genealogy of Lewis Carroll, Justin Swanstrom, The Royal Families of England Scotland & Wales by Burkes Peerage; Debrett's Peerage & Baronage; Tableof descendants French Canadian Genealogical Society; Families of Monfort-sur-Risle & Bertrand de Bricquebec; The Dukes of Normandy, XXXXI),A. Brabant ("Dynastie Montmorency, Michel d'Herbigny), Paul Leportier,Claude Barret, H.R. Moser (Burke Peerage), O.Guionneau, L.B. de Rouge, E. Polti, N. Danican (Britain's Royal Families; Buthlaw, Successionof Strathclyde, the Armorial 1961-62) A.Terlinden (Genealogy of theexisting British Peerage, 1842), L. Gustavsson, C. Cheneaux, E. Lodge,S.Bontron (Brian Tompsett), R. Dewkinandan, H. de la Villarmois, C. Donadello; Scevole de Livonniere, H. de la Villarmois, I. Flatmoen,P. Ract Madoux (History of Morhange; Leon Maujean; Annuaire de Lorraine, 1926; La Galissonniere: Elections d'Arques et Rouen), Jean de Villoutreys (ref: Georges Poull), E. Wilkerson-Theaux (Laura Little), O. Auffray, A. Brabant (Genealogy of Chauvigny of Blot from "Chanoine Prevost Archiviste du Diocese de Troyes Union Typographique Domois Cote-d'Or 1925), Emmanuel Arminjon (E Levi-Provencal Histoire de l'Espagne Andalouse), Y. Gazagnes-Gazanhe, R. Sekulovich and J.P. de Palmas ("notes pierfit et iconographie Insecula", Tournemire), H de Riberolles (Base Tournemire), Franck Veillon........... http://geneastar.org.

AWTP:

"The Ancestry of Overmire Tifft Richardson Bradford Reed" Larry Overmire (XXXXX@XXXX.XXX)

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NOTE: Some sources here and others I have seen place Alpaide as granddaughter of Charlemagne rather than illegimate daughter of Charlemage.

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Common Ancestor of Robert McKinsey (* through Amicia de Clopton abt 1256) and Valerie Pippi ( through William de Clopton abt 1259))

http://larryvoyer.com/genealogy/getperson.php?personID=I37339&tree=v7_28
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Wife of Adalarde, name unknown
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Alpaide married Begue DE PARIS Comte de Paris, son of Cte Girard DE PARIS and Rotrou CAROLING. (Begue DE PARIS Comte de Paris was born about 750 in Paris, Seine, Ile-de-France, France 758 and died in 816 758.)

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=[http://www.geni.com/projects/Charlemagne-Emperor-of-the-West Aupais / Alpaida, possible daughter of Charlemagne & Amaltrude ]=

Please see [http://www.geni.com/projects/Charlemagne-Emperor-of-the-West Charlemagne Project] for Source Details

Charlemagne's third known concubine was Amaltrud of Vienne. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlemagne

By her he had:

''''Alpaida (b.794) [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlemagne
NOTE: It seems worth mentioning that this is the Wikipedia version Jan 2011, and Cawley's Medlands don't mention an Alpaida or an Amaltrude.
A possible reason is that the Wikipedia concubine, Amaltrud is the NN concubine of Cawley, whose daughter - Ruodhaid/Rotaide (784) actually looks like the same person as the concubine Madelgard's daughter Rothildis, who Cawley gives as born in the same year (784), and which Wikipedia doesn't duplicate.- Sharon'''

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OR "AUPAIS"; POSSIBLY A NATURAL DAUGHTER

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from "Our Folk" by Albert D Hart, Jr.

O GeneAll coloca Apaide como filha de Luiz Pio e Ermergarda. Já a Wikipédia aponta Alpais como filha ilegítima de Luiz com Theodolinde.

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