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• Roepnaam is Sibyl Fitzsiward.
• Zij is geboren rond 1009 TO ABT 1014 in NorthumbriaNorthumberland, England.
• Gedoopt (op 8-jarige leeftijd of later) door het priesterschapsgezag van de LDS-kerk op 22 mei 1937.
• Alternatief: Gedoopt (op 8-jarige leeftijd of later) door het priesterschapsgezag van de LDS-kerk op 21 juni 1937.
• Alternatief: Gedoopt (op 8-jarige leeftijd of later) door het priesterschapsgezag van de LDS-kerk op 21 juni 1937 in SLAKE.
• Alternatief: Gedoopt (op 8-jarige leeftijd of later) door het priesterschapsgezag van de LDS-kerk op 21 juni 1937.
• Beroep: .

  {geni:job_title} Reine, d'Ecosse

• Woonachtig: Scotland.
• Zij is overleden rond 1070 in Edinburgh Castle, Edinburgh, Mid Lothian, Scotland.
• Zij is begraven rond 1070 in Edinburgh, ScotlandEdinburgh.
• Een kind van NN Suthen's father Bearsson en NN Suthen's mother .
• Deze gegevens zijn voor het laatst bijgewerkt op 5 maart 2012.

Gezin van Suthen Sibylla "Sibyl Fitzsiward" of Scotland (NOT Siward's daughter)

Zij is getrouwd met Donnchad "the Gracious" mac Crínáin.

Zij zijn getrouwd rond 1030 te ScotlandUK.

Kind(eren):

1. Máel Coluim III 'Canmore' mac Donnchada  ± 1033-1137 

Notities over Suthen Sibylla "Sibyl Fitzsiward" of Scotland (NOT Siward's daughter)

SURN Sybil
DATE 9 SEP 2000
TIME 13:17:19

SURN Sybil
DATE 9 SEP 2000
TIME 13:17:19

Source #1: Frederick Lewis Weis, "Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America Before 1700" - Seventh Edition, with additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr., assisted by Davis Faris (Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co, 1995), p. 147

Father: , Ealred (Siward) of Northumberland, Earl of Northumberland

Mother: , AEfflaed of Bernicia

Name Suffix: Queen / Scotland, Lady Of Northumbria Sometimes referred toas Sybil. Elflaed was a cousin of Siward, Earl of Northumberland, although some sources suggest that she was his sister, and that their father was Bjorn Bearsson.

(Sometimes referred to as Sybil or Elflaed. She was a cousin of Siward, Earl of Northumberland, although some sources suggest that she was his sister, and that their father was Bjorn Bearsson. -RoyaList-) Source: Leo van de Pas

Sibel was a cousin to Siward, Earl of Northumberland.

Sibel was a cousin to Siward, Earl of Northumberland.

This individual has the following other parents in the Ancestral File:
Earl Of N /SEWARD/ (AFN:FLGZ-65) and /MRS. SEWARD/ (AFN:FLGZ-7B)

1 AUTH Sl

AFN: B1DK-HK

Sybilla FITZSIWARD
Given Name: Sybilla
Surname: Fitzsiward
Sex: F
Birth: Abt. 1014 in Northumberland, England
Death: 1040 in Atholl, Perth, Scotland

Father: Siward, BJORNSSON, EARL OF NORTHUMBERLAND b: 990-991 in Of, Northumberland, England
Mother: Aefflaed, PRINCESS OF BERNICIA b: 992-999

Marriage 1 Duncan I, KING OF SCOTS b: 1001 in Atholl, Perth, Scotland
Children

Sister of Earl Siward of Northumbria.

SURN Sybil
DATE 9 SEP 2000
TIME 13:17:19

[Kevin Moore ]: aka Sybilla.[Kopi av ROYALS.FTW]

Dau. or sister of Siward, Earl of NorthumberlandDau. or sister of Siward, Earl of Northumberland
Dau. or sister of Siward, Earl of Northumberland

#Générale##Générale#s:Auréjac

{geni:occupation} aka Sibyl Biornsson, She was a Queen of the Scots., Kuningatar

{geni:about_me} Sibylla, Sibyl, Sybil or '''Suthen'''.

* Parents unknown, but Beorn Beornsson, Siward's father is Suthen Sibylla's uncle.

* Married to Duncan MacCrínain

* Children:

** Malcolm III
** Donald Bane
** Maelmuire (son)

==Sources and Resources==
http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLAND,%20AngloSaxon%20nobility.htm#Sibylladied1040MDuncanIScotland

[SIBYLLA] . The Chronicle of John of Fordun records that the mother of Malcolm and Donald Bane, Duncan´s sons, was "the cousin of Earl Siward"[384]. In one earlier king list, King Malcolm III's mother is named "Suthen"[385].

m ([1030]) DUNCAN King of Strathclyde, son of CRINAN "the Thane" Mormaer of Atholl & his wife Bethoc of the Scots ([1001]-killed in battle either Bothganowan/Pitgaveny, near Elgin, or Burghead 14 Aug 1040, bur Isle of Iona). He succeeded in 1034 as DUNCAN I King of Scotland.]

DUNCAN, son of CRINAN "the Thane" Mormaer of Atholl & his wife Bethoc of the Scots ([1001]-killed in battle either Bothganowan/Pitgaveny, near Elgin, or Burghead 14 Aug 1040, bur Isle of Iona). His parentage is confirmed by the Annals of Ulster which record the death of "Donnchad son of Crínán, king of Scotland" in 1040[212]. He is not named as king in the 12th century Cronica Regum Scottorum king-list[213]. The Chronicle of John of Fordun names "Duncan" as son of "Crynyne Abthane of Dul and Steward of the Isles" and his wife[214]. He succeeded in 1018 as King of Strathclyde. He succeeded his maternal grandfather in 1034 as DUNCAN I King of Scotland. Orkneyinga Saga records that “Karl Hundason” succeeded King Malcolm in Scotland and records his battles with Thorfinn Jarl of Orkney[215]. No other record has been identified of this alleged person. The Annales Dunelmenses record that "Dumechanus rex Scotorum" besieged Durham in 1039 with a large army but retreated from the siege[216]. He was killed in battle by his first cousin, Macbeth, who succeeded as King of Scotland. The Chronicon of Mariano Scotti records that "Donnchal rex Scotiæ" was killed "1040 XIX Kal Sep" by "duce suo Macbethad mac Finnloech" who succeeded as king for 17 years[217]. The Annals of Ulster record that "Donnchad son of Crínán, king of Scotland, was killed by his own people" in 1040[218]. The Annals of Tigernach record that “Donncadh mac Crínan, airdrí Alban” was killed “immaturo etate a suis” in 1040[219]. The Chronicle of John of Fordun records that Duncan was killed by "Machabeus son of Finele…at Bothgofnane" and buried in the island of Iona[220]. The Chronicle of the Scots and Picts dated 1177 records that "Donchath mac Cran Abbatis de Dunkelden et Bethok filia Malcolm mac Kynnet" reigned for 6 years, was killed "a Maketh mac Fyngel in Bothngouane" and was buried "in Yona insula"[221].

m ([1030]) [SIBYLLA], [cousin of SIWARD Earl of Northumbria, daughter of ---]. The Chronicle of John of Fordun records that the mother of Malcolm and Donald Bane, Duncan´s sons, was "the cousin of Earl Siward"[222]. In one earlier king list, King Malcolm III's mother is named "Suthen"[223].

King Duncan I & his wife had three children:

1. MALCOLM (1031-killed in battle near Alnwick, Northumberland 13 Nov 1093, bur Tynemouth, later transferred to Dunfermline Abbey, Fife, and later still to Escorial, Madrid). The Chronicon of Mariano Scotti records that "Moelcol…filius Donchael" succeeded Lulach in 1058[224]. He succeeded in 1058 as MALCOLM III "Caennmor/Bighead" King of Scotland.

- see below.

2. DONALD (-in prison Rescobie, Forfarshire 1099, bur Dunkeld Abbey, later transferred to Isle of Iona). Matthew of Paris names him as brother of King Malcolm, and records that he was elected by the Scots to succeed his brother in 1093 as DONALD III "Bane" King of Scotland[225]. Florence of Worcester records that "Dufenaldum regis Malcolmi fratrem" was elected king after his brother's death but that "filius regis Malcolmi Dunechain" expelled "patruum suum Dufenaldum"[226]. According to Florence of Worcester, he expelled all the English from the Scottish court[227]. "Douenald filius Conchat Regis" made donations "cum ceteris regibus…Duncano rege Edgaro et Alexandro et David fratribus"[228]. This charter is undated and the reference to the four brothers all as kings indicates that it is probably spurious. Florence of Worcester records that King Donald was deposed in 1094 by his nephew Duncan, with help from the English and Normans[229]. The Annals of Inisfallen record that "Domnall son of Donnchadh” killed “Donnchadh son of Mael Coluim king of Alba” in 1094 and “took the kingship of Alba”[230]. The Chronicle of John of Fordun records that "his uncle Donald…again usurped the kingship" after the death of "Duncan, King Malcolm´s illegitimate son" and reigned for three years[231]. Florence of Worcester records that "clitorem Eadgarum" led an army to Scotland in [1097] to place "consobrinum suum Eadgarum Malcolmi regis filium" on the Scottish throne after expelling "patruo suo Dufenaldo"[232]. William of Malmesbury records that King Duncan II "was murdered by the wickedness of his uncle Donald" and that the latter was "dispatched by the contrivance of David, the youngest brother and the power of [King] William [II]"[233]. He was imprisoned. The Chronicle of the Picts and Scots dated 1251 records that "Donald mac Donchat" was captured "a Edgar mac Malcolm", blinded, died in "Rosolpin" and was buried "in Dunkelden", transferred to Iona[234].

m ---. The name of Donald's wife is not known.

King Donald III & his wife had one child:

a) BETHOC (-[1150/70][235]). The primary source which confirms her parentage and two marriages has not yet been identified. m firstly (1085) UHTRED Lord of Tynedale, son of [236]WALTHEOF ---. [237]

m secondly RADULF, son of DUNEGALL Lord of Nithsdale (-[1185]). Bethoc & her first husband had one child:

i) HEXTILDA of Tynedale . The primary source which confirms her parentage and two marriages has not yet been identified. “R. Cumin” donated property to Hexham Priory, with the consent of “uxoris meæ Hextildis”, by undated charter which names “fratrem meum Walterum”[238]. “Hextildis comitissa de Eththetela” donated property to Rievall Abbey, for the soul of “domini mei Richardi Cumin”, by undated charter[239].

m firstly ([1144/50]) RICHARD Comyn, son of --- Cumin [Comyn] (-[1179]).

m secondly (after 1179) as his second wife, her second cousin, MALCOLM Earl of Atholl, son of MADDAD Earl of Atholl & his first wife --- (-[1186/Aug 1198]).

3. MAELMUIRE [Melmare] . The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. m ---. The name of Maelmuire's wife is not known. Maelmuire & his wife had one child:

a) MADDAD [Madach] (-[1142/52]). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. Mormaer of Atholl. He witnessed the charter of Scone dated [1114/15] as "Madach comes"[240], known as 1st Earl of Atholl.

- EARLS of ATHOLL.
===Private Notes===
Turton's Plantagenet Ancestry has Sibyl as daughter of Sigurd, but I think it more likely she was his sister. The dates just seem entirely incompatible with her being born that late. Based on the e-mail from Betty Knoche, referring to the MammothBook on English Kings & Queens, by Mike Ashley, I am going to make her a sister (I have used slightly different dates, making her a younger sister).

The following e-mail from Betty Knoche, (XXXXX@XXXX.XXX), gives a source who states that Sibyl was a sister (not daughter of Sigurd/Syward: Hi Jim You noted that you thought Sibyl was the sister of Sigurd rather than daughter. According to BritishKings et al, the comment is "Sybilla, sister (some records say dau.) of Siward, earl of Northumbria:..." I have a note that says Siward Biornsson was born abt 1020 with a sister born abt 1010 and they are the children of Biorn Ulsinsson, Earl inDenmark (born abt 975 in Roskilde, Denmark). I don't know if this helps or hinders! Betty

The following was given in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, (XXXXX@XXXX.XXX): Gerald Paget "The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales" p56 & 153 indicates that her father was Bjorn Bearsson & her brother was Siward Earlof Northumbria. George Andrews Moriarty "The Plantagenet Ancestry of King Edward III and Queen Philippa" p30 indicates that Siward was her cousin. Todd A Farmerie in a 23 Feb 2002 msg to SGM stated: There is no contemporary or near-contemporary documentation of this (that Sybil FitzSiward was the wife of Duncan I MacCrinan). The best you get is Siward being called a kinsman of Malcolm, Duncan's son (likewise, the name Sybil in this context is not workable). If such a connection is true, Iwoates: Suthen's name is known only from one of the Scottish king lists ("Regnal List I"), which gives the name of the mother of Malcolm III in an interlined addition [KKES 284]. ESSH 1: 596 cites the late fourteenth century Scottish historian Johnof Fordun [iv, 44] as stating that Duncan had married a kinswoman of Siward of Northumbria. Given Siward's support of Malcolm, that is plausible enough, but there does not appear to be any justification for attempts to define a more specific relationship between Suthen and Siward. ESSH = Alan Orr Anderson, Early Sources of Scottish History, 2 vols. (Edinburgh, 1922, reprinted Stamford, 1990). [Contains English translations of many of the primary records] KKES = Marjorie Ogilvy Anderson,Kings and Kingship in Early Scotland (Edinburgh, Totowa, NJ, 1973).

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http://www.mathematical.com/fitzsiwardsibyl.html suggests that she might have been the SISTER, not the daughter, of Siward Biornsson

Ancestral File Number: B1DK-HK
REFN: 1314

Kusin till Siward Biornsson, Earl of Northumberland

Kusin till Siward Biornsson, Earl of Northumberland

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Sobre a mulher de Duncan, a wiki em portugues diz:
Casou-se por volta de 1030 com Aelflaed ou Sibila da Nortúmbria, que seria talvez filha de Siward Digera, Conde da Nortúmbria (por sua vez filho de Bjorn Bearsson) ou de Ealred ou Siward de Nortumberlândia, Conde da Nortumberlândia, e Aelflaed da Bernicia.

[large-G675.FTW]

Sybil was either Beorn, Earl in England's daughter or his granddaughterby his son Siward, the Earl of Northumbria/Northumberland.

REF:"The Lineage and Ancestry of HRH Prince Charles", Gerald Paget, saysshe is sister of Siward, Earl of Northumbria and daughter of BjornBearsson.

REF "Ancestral roots of certain American colonists who came to Americabefore 1700", Weis, 1992, seventh edition: Her name is not given, butshe is identified as a daughter of Siward.

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