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• Roepnaam is Medelphus von Thurgau.
• Hij is geboren rond 360 in Thüringen, DeutschlandThüringen.
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  {geni:job_title} Roi, des Saxons

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  {geni:job_title} Konge av Thurningen

• Hij is overleden rond AUG 408 TO ABT 510 in Supposedly Thuringia.
• Hij is begraven rond 445 in France is as good as any other place...
• Een kind van Merwig of the Thüringians en N.N. Wife of Merwig I of the Thüringians
• Deze gegevens zijn voor het laatst bijgewerkt op 26 maart 2012.

Gezin van Weldelphus (Medelphus) "Medelphus von Thurgau" of the Thüringians King of the Thüringians

Hij heeft/had een relatie met N.N. wife of Weldelphus of the Thüringians.

Kind(eren):

1. Hildegonde de Cologne  ± 380-± 448 
2. Basinus of the Thüringians  ± 395-± 455 
3. Basina of the Thüringians  ± 400-± 438 
4. Merwig von Thüringen  ± 395-± 451 
5. Wedelphe of the Thüringians  ± 410-± 515 

Notities over Weldelphus (Medelphus) "Medelphus von Thurgau" of the Thüringians King of the Thüringians

King in Thuringia

REFERENCE: 2000

Rootsweb Feldman
URL: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:3044567&id=I08118
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# Name: Basin Of THURINGIA 1 2
# Sex: M
# Name: Basin Of THURINGIA 3 4 5 6 2
# Birth: ABT 390 in Of Thuringia, Germany 1 3 4 5 6 2
# Change Date: 15 JAN 2004 2
# Change Date: 7 OCT 2001 3 4 5 6 2
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Father: King Of Thuringia WELDELPHUS b: 365 in Of Thuringia, Germany

Marriage 1 Basine De SAXE b: in

* Married: in 1 3 4 5 6 2

Children

1. Has Children Basina Princess of THURINGIA b: 438 in Of, Thuringia, Germany

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http://www.american-pictures.com/genealogy/persons/per02480.htm#0:

Basina Princess of Thuringia

Date Place Source
Born : Abt. 438 Thüringen -
Died : Aft 470 - -

Age : 32
Ref. : 323

Father Mother
Basin King of Thuringia
Marriage
BET. 463 - 465 - Childeric I. King of the Franks
Children
- - Audefleda Princess of the Franks
Abt. 466 - Chlodovech I. the Great King of the Franks

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Rootsweb Feldman
URL: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:3044567&id=I23209
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# Name: King Of Thuringia WELDELPHUS 1 2 3 4 5 6
# Sex: M
# Birth: 365 in Of Thuringia, Germany 1 2 3 4 5 6
# Death: in X 6
# Change Date: 15 JAN 2004 6
# Change Date: 23 OCT 2001 2 3 4 5 6
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[Joanne's Tree.1 GED.GED]

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[daveanthes.FTW]

DATE 6 MAY 2000

GIVN Weldephus King of
SURN Thuringians
NSFX **
! Information from THE ADAM CHART compiled by Archibald F. Bennett M.A.
! HISTORY: Grolier Encyclopedia, 1995 Edition, states that Thuringia was an
ancient German Kingdom of East Central Germany.
! RELATIONSHIP: H. Reed Black is 43rd; & 44th G G Son.

Marriage 1 Spouse Unknown

Children

1. Has Children Basin Of THURINGIA b: ABT 390 in Of Thuringia, Germany
2. Has Children Princess Of Thuringia BASINA b: 390 in Thuringia, Germany

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#Générale#note couple : #Générale#s:wikipedia

{geni:occupation} 1st king of the Thüringians, roi des Saxons.

{geni:about_me} Ben M. Angel notes: To save others from further embarrassment:

http://www.duerinck.com/turingii.html

''However, Justin Swanström cautions: The ethnogenesis of the Turingi has been studied for a generation and is relatively well understood. However, academics now recognize that the issues raised by specific accounts about the tribe's ruling families are a separate but related problem and require further study. It is premature to label as "fictitious" any figure from this period. The origin and development of the genealogy itself must first be understood. If that study shows the genealogy is something more than a modern fake, the sources must be examined to determine whether the genealogy is, for example, a Carolingian forgery, a re-working of an oral tradition, or something else. On a cursory examination, I found that Weldelphus, father of Basina, was already appearing in genealogical literature in 1841 (George Russell French, The ancestry of Her Majesty Queen Victoria:and of His Royal Highness Prince Albert, 281, available at http://tinyurl.com/4k32757). The "invention" of Weldelphus must therefore pre-date 1841.''

KINGS AND RULERS

Introduction: As usual, to figure out the kings and rulers of the Turingii tribe, we must look to whatever sources are available. As you know, there are not that many sources to examine for the Turingii tribe.

Beware, that there are many sources on the internet that are incorrect. They might mention Hoger and Erpes, Wedelphus, and Meerwig (Merovech) as Thuringian rulers, which is nonsense.

The book by St. Gregory of Tours, "The History of the Franks", which should not be taken as prime authority, does mention the Thuringians a bit. In the "Letters of St. Boniface", a man who actually worked in the region as a missionary, we see a lack of information regarding the Turingii, unfortunately. Of course St. Boniface was working in a time when the Turingii were officially subjugated to the Franks. I am reading a slew of other books as well.

At this time I would like to mention one book, "Das Thüringer Königreich" by Rüdiger Gebser (2001), which appears to repeat the mistakes of Gustav Kosinna of the 19th century, and even goes one better, subjecting the reader to pure fantasy.

Be aware that Wedelphus and rulers before him are not historically correct. Of course, the farther we go back in time, we run into the paucity of records as well as the constant movement of individual tribes and the formation of federations of tribes.

Errors: Compare Carney and James both of which have errors re Basina and undoubtedly other personages. See also Bisin I, II where it is alleged that Bisin I was born in 450 AD, not 390 AD. Sounds like Bisin I and Bisin II are being confused.

Also, Bisin I (Basinus) had 3 sons. Which Basina is which? The names Banin, Bisin, Basin, Basinus, Bisinus are used interchangeably. You will see all 3 names used in books and on the internet. St. Gregory of Tours used Bisin. If you have any additions, corrections, let me know.

Before Banin, Bisin, Basin, Basinus, Bisinus: It is impossible to talk about Thuringian rulers before the reign of Banin I (also known as Bisin, Basin, Basinus, Bisinus). Some talk about Wedelphus, some mention Hoger and Erpes.

Here are the Thuringian Rulers (Turingii Tribe):

[Note before we begin: not sure what to do about Basina of Thuringia, born 398 AD. Gregory of Tours says that she married Clodio, Frankish King, parents of Merovech. [Source: St. Gregory of Tours, Historiae Francorum]. Was she the sister of Banin I? There is no source which gives her or Banin I's father.

--Banin I (Bisin, Bisinus, Basinus) born circa 390 AD, married Menia. Children:

1. Basina Andovera of Thuringia (born ? who married?)

2. Berthar (King) of Thuringia

3. Banin II (Bisin, Bisinus, Basinus) King of Thuringia.

--Banin II (Bisin, Bisinus, Basinus) married Basina (of Saxony? b. 438???) [who later married with Frankish King Childeric (b.436, d.481 AD) and brought forth Clovis]. Children:

1. Berthar married ___. At least 2 children:

a. Radegund born ~520 AD, died 13 August 587 AD, married 537 AD at Vitry (Artois) to Frankish King Lothar I (=Chlotar I), no issue, founds a convent.

b. Berthacar (Berthar)

2. Baderic, murdered circa 550 AD by his sister Radegund's husband Frankish King Lothar I (Clotar I).

3. Hermanfrid (died 534 AD per Schutz), married Ostrogothic Princess Amalaberg, niece of Ostrogoth King Theoderic. Children:

a. Amalafred (Hamalafred)

b. Rodelinda [mentioned in "A History of the Ostrogoths" by Thomas Burns (1991), page 96, who married Audoin, King of the Lombards.]

[Source: Gregory of Tours].

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Bron: http://www.genealogieonline.nl/kwartierstaat-van-der-stelt-verberg/I2418.php

Persoonlijke gegevens Wedelphus van Thuringen ♂

Geboren in 380.
Overleden.
Gezin Wedelphus van Thuringen

Getrouwd met (Niet openbaar).
Onbekende relatie.
Kind(eren):
Chlodwig van Keulen

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father:
*Wedelphus of Thuringia
born Bef 0360 Thuringia, Germany

http://larryvoyer.com/genealogy/getperson.php?personID=I152809&tree=v7_28

http://www.duerinck.com/turingii.html

RESEARCH NOTES:
King of Thuringia

SOURCE NOTES:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jamesdow/s018/f002140.htm

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KING OF THE THURINGIANS

Thuringii
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
The Thuringii was a tribe which appeared later than most in the highlands of central Germany , a region which still bears their name to this day -- Thuringia . They evidently filled a void left when the previous inhabitants -- the Alamannic Confederation -- migrated south. It is unclear whether they were remnants of the Alamanni, or simply another lesser tribe. They appeared in the Harz Mountains region around 280 and were conquered by the Franks around 550 .
Retrieved from "<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thuringii>"

The Alamanni, Allemanni or Alemanni, were a Germanic tribe , first mentioned by Dio Cassius when they fought Caracalla in 213 . They apparently dwelt in the basin of the Main River , to the south of the Chatti .

Their kingdom (or duchy of Alamannia ) between Strasbourg and Augsburg lasted until 496 , when they were conquered by Clovis I at the Battle of Tolbiac . The war of Clovis with the Alamanni forms the setting for the conversion of Clovis, briefly treated by Gregory of Tours (Book II.31 <http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/gregory-clovisconv.html> (http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/gregory-clovisconv.html#n30)) Subsequently the Alamanni formed part of the Frankish dominions and were governed by a Frankish count. The word "Frankish" eventually gave its name to the Romance language French , while the Alamanni gave their name to the French word for "German" (Allemand).

RESEARCH NOTES:
King of Thuringia, Cologne; also "Wildelphe de Saxe"?

SOURCE NOTES:
http://www.gendex.com/users/Enf_Bry/i2507.html#I26905

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1 NAME Weldephus King of /Thuringia/

[De La Pole.FTW]

Source: Kraentzler 1777; Pfafman; Collins.
K: Weldephas, King of the Thuringians. Collins: Widelphus/Weldelphus, King of Thuringia. Pfafman: Weldelphus.

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