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Persoonlijke gegevens Gundred de Flanders 

• Alternatieve namen: Gundred Princess Of England, Gundrade d'Normandy, Gundred of Flanders, Gundreda de Gand
• Zij is geboren in het jaar 1052 in St. Omer, Flanders.

  Let op: Leeftijd bij trouwen (??-??-1066) lag beneden de 16 jaar (14).

• Alternatief: Zij is geboren in het jaar 1063 in Normandy, France.Bron 5
• Alternatief: Zij is geboren rond 1052 in Ghent, Flanders.
• Zij is overleden op 27 mei 1085 in Castle Acre, Norfolk, England, zij was toen 33 jaar oud.Bron 5

  Let op: Was al overleden (27 mei 1085) bij geboorte (24 juni 1085) van kind (William de Warenne,).

• Alternatief: Zij is overleden op 27 mei 1085 in Castle Acre, Norfolk, England (in childbirth), zij was toen 33 jaar oud.Bronnen 3, 4
• Alternatief: Zij is overleden op 27 mei 1085 in Acre, Norfolk, England, zij was toen 33 jaar oud.
• Zij is begraven in Priory of Lewes, Sussex, England.
• Een kind van Gherbod the Fleming, en Matilda (Maud) du Flanders,
• Een kind van William I "The Conqueror" King of England, en Matilda (Maud) du Flanders,

Gezin van Gundred de Flanders

Zij is getrouwd met William de Warenne,.

Zij zijn getrouwd in het jaar 1066 te married just after the Battle of Hastings, zij was toen 14 jaar oud.Bronnen 5, 6

Kind(eren):

1. Reynold de Warenne  1075-1109 
2. Heir of Mapledurham Edith (Ediva) de Warenne  ± 1076-???? 
3. Editha d'Warenne  < 1080-> 1162 
4. William de Warenne,  1085-1138 

Notities over Gundred de Flanders

Gundred (daughter of Gherbod the Fleming), d. 27 May 1085; m. bef. 1077, William de Warenne, d. Lewes 24 June 1088, created 1st Earl of Surrey, son of Rudolf de Warenne and Beatrice. [Magna Charta Sureties]. Bertin at St. Omer. She died in child-birth, 27 May 1085, at Castle Acre, Norfolk, and was buried the chapter-house at Lewes. [Complete Peerage XII/1:493-5, XIV:604 (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]s far as I know there is only one Gerbod.lantagenet Ancestry, a daughter of William the Conquerer and Matilda of Flanders. The following discussion in soc.genealogy.medieval illustrates the proof for Gundred being daughter of Matilda, wife of William I, and also the controversy still being debated about her ancestry. I happen to believe that the Lewes Chartulary is not false on the basis that there is no reason for forging a relationship to Queen Maud, but not King William I.2-30 21:52:15 PSTs at I don't think anyone now seriously maintainse Conqueror. It's clear they were members of aogether, and published by the Sussex Record Society in 1032 [sic?]. There is a lengthy charter by William Warrene nearly six pages in length; so I will not quote it's entirety, but this bit is curious.ge 3:e and who confirmed my former gift, and for the welfare of my lady Queen Maud the mother of my wife and for the welfare of my lord King William his son after whose coming to England I made this charter and who made me Earl of Surrey,..." UNQa is highly significant. If I were to rely solely on this evidence, I would have to conclude that Gundrada was NOT the daughter of William I at all.es, but what is the basis of these assertions, and which references discuss these "supposedly proven forgeries"? The premise of such an accusation appears to be up side down, in relation to the above charter. It seems illogical to forge a document that makes Gundrada the daughter of the Queen, as opposed to the King of England; which would essentially diminish her social standing, instead of elevating it, as most forgeries tend to do?ups: soc.genealogy.medievalror, and the spurious charter of 1085 (LONG)".n Gundred's parentage, in the cartulary of Cluny, the parent house, there are also statements by two other sources that Gundred was the brother of Gerbod. Admittedly these could be circumvented by the suggestion that Gundred was only William's step-daughter, and that Gerbod's father had previously been married to Matilda (although there is no indication elsewhere that this was the case, despite quite a lot of documentation relating to Gerbod's family, and of course to the counts of Flanders).en a marriage was proposed between an illegitimate daughter of Henry I and a son of Gundred, it was prohibited on the grounds of a 4th/6th-generation consanguinity. If Gundred had been Matilda's daughter they would have been first cousins, so this, rather than the much more distant relationship, would surely have been mentioned.)rs' arguement is. People being the political animals that they are, it would seem to me that a closer relationship might not be mentioned if it were politically sensitive for some reason. I have no thoughts on what that might be, but Mr. Waters' arguement, while persuasive, still does not seem to me to CONCLUSIVELY prove anything, simply because we cannot possibly know everything was going on in people's minds 1000 years ago (or today, for that matter).s controversy has anything that could be considered absolute proof - just circumstantial evidence and theories, all of which can be contested with more theories. There seem to be plenty of sincere and knowledgeable people on both sides of the issue, and I wonder if, barring discovery of new documentation, the issue will ever be resolved. I keep going back to that tombstone - the only piece of evidence that is truly "cast in stone".arriage WAS invalidated on the grounds of consanguinity; quite possibly for political reasons the church chose a more distant relationship for invalidating the marriage (4th or 6th cousin rather than 1st cousin); the church may not have wanted to emphasize the illegitimacy of Gundred, ancestor of the Warennes, a very powerful family.

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