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Alternatieve naam: Roger de Montgomery
Roepnaam is Vi....
Hij is geboren in het jaar 1022 in Saint-Germain-de-MontgommeryNormandy France.
Alternatief: Hij is geboren in het jaar 1031Mortagne-sur-Sèvre
Pays de la Loire France.
Gedoopt (op 8-jarige leeftijd of later) door het priesterschapsgezag van de LDS-kerk op 15 april 1995.
Beroep: Sieur, de Montgommery, Comte, de Bellême, de Shrewsbury, de Sussex, Vicomte, d'Hiémois.
Hij is overleden op 8 december 1090 in Grestain, hij was toen 68 jaar oudFatouville-Grestain
Haute-Normandie France.
Alternatief: Hij is overleden op 27 juli 1094, hij was toen 72 jaar oudShrewsbury
England.
Hij is begraven augustus 1094 in Shrewsbury AbbeyEngland.
Een kind van Roger de Montgomery en Josceline Tofulus de Turqueville

Gezin van Roger II "The Great" (Roger II "The Great") "Vi..." de Montgommery 1st Earl of Shropshre, Earl of Arundel & Shrewsbury

Hij is getrouwd met Mabel 'l'Empoisonneuse' de Talvas.

Zij zijn getrouwd in het jaar 1048 te Perche, France, hij was toen 26 jaar oud.

Kind(eren):

Maud Matilda de Montgomery ± 1039-1082
Robert de Montgomery ± 1052-1131
Roger 'le Poitevin' de Montgommery ± 1058-1123

Notities over Roger II "The Great" (Roger II "The Great") "Vi..." de Montgommery 1st Earl of Shropshre, Earl of Arundel & Shrewsbury

GIVN Roger
SURN von Montgomery
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DATE 9 SEP 2000
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Basic Life Information

Roger de Montgomerie, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury

Roger de Montgomerie, known as Roger the Great de Montgomery, was the first Earl of Shrewsbury. His father was also Roger de Montgomerie, and was a relative, probably a grandnephew, of the Duchess Gunnor, wife of Duke Richard I of Normandy. The elder Roger had large holdings in central Normandy, chiefly in the valley of the Dives, which the younger Roger inherited.

Roger was one of William the Conqueror's principal counselors. He did not fight in the initial invasion of England in 1066, instead staying behind to help govern Normandy. Afterwards he was entrusted with land in two places critical for the defense of England, receiving the rape of Arundel at the end of 1067 (or in early 1068), and in November 1071 he was created Earl of Shrewsbury. (A few historians believe that while he received the Shropshire territories in 1071 he was not created Earl until a few years later.)

Roger was thus one of the half a dozen greatest magnates in England during William the Conqueror's reign. In addition to the large part of Sussex included in the Rape of Arundel, and seven-eights of Shropshire which were associated with the earldom of Shrewsbury, he had estates in Surrey, Hampshire, Wiltshire, Middlesex, Hertfordshire, Gloucestershire, Worcestershire, Cambridgeshire, Warwickshire and Staffordshire.

After William I's death in 1087, Roger had joined with other rebels to overthrow the newly crowned King William Rufus in the Rebellion of 1088. However William Rufus was able to convince Roger to abandon the rebellion and side with him, which was fortuitous as the rebels were beaten and lost their land holdings in England.

Roger first married Mabel of Bellême, who was heiress to a large territory on both sides of the border between Normandy and Maine. By her he had 10 children:
Roger Montgomery 1066
Robert of Bellême 1052 c. 1130 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury
Hugh of Montgomery 1098
Roger the Poitevin c. 1058
Philip 'the Grammarian' 1099 Died while on crusade at the Siege of Antioch
Arnulf of Montgomery c. 1068
Emma, abbess of Almenchêches
Matilda m. Robert, Count of Mortain
Mabel m. Hugh of Châteauneuf-en-Thimerais
Sibyl m. Robert Fitzhamon

Roger then married Adelaide de Le Puiset, by whom he had one son, Everard, who entered the Church.

After his death, Roger's estates were divided. The eldest surviving son, Robert, received the bulk of the Norman estates (as well as his mother's estates); the next son, Hugh, received the bulk of the English estates and the Earldom of Shrewsbury. After Hugh's death the elder son Robert inherited the earldom.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_de_Montgomerie,_1st_Earl_of_Shrewsbury>

Other Source

Roger de Montgomery - was born in 1022, lived in Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England and died on 27 Jul 1094 in Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England . He was the son of Roger de Montgomery and Josceline de Ponteaudemer.

Roger - Earl of Arundel and Shrewsbury

The symbol of advance into Wales was the castle which Earl Roger built at Montgomery, a typical motte and bailey, of which the earthworks still survive. To distinguish it from the later stone castle built at Montgomery by Hubert de Burgh, it came to be known as Hen Domen Castle- the old mound. It was a key point in the natural communication into mid-Wales, and beyond that westwards to Ceredigion. The gains which Earl Roger and his commanders made were compact and, with the exception of Arwystli, did not drive deeply into Wales, but they extended over a long stretch of the frontier.

'Oft on the mouldering Keep by night
Earl Roger takes his stand,
With the sword that shone at Hastings' fight,
Firm grasped in his red, right hand ! '

This is how an ancient poem begins about Roger de Montgomery who it was believed had fought alongside Duke William at Hastings. In fact Roger de Montgomery wasn't at the Battle of Hastings, but was left at home to look after Normandy for William while he was in England. He contributed greatly to the invasion force and was to be richly rewarded for his loyal services.

Earl Roger de Montgomery founded the Arundel Castle on Christmas Day 1067. It was after King William had held his Christmas Court at Gloucester and awarded Montgomery the Earldom, that he ordered him to build a castle on the Arun to protect the inland reaches. Roger de Montgomery was already an extremely powerful man in his native Normandy and had been a close friend of William's since William was a teenager as he was his cousin. He was present at the Council of Lillebonne in 1066, and agreed to contribute 60 ships to aid the invasion plans of England. He returned with William from Normandy in 1067 and he was summoned to attend Chrismas at Gloucester with the king where he was awarded his honours as one of William's most trusted men.

Matrriage and Children

Roger married Mabel Talvas de Alencon in 1048 while living in Perche, France. Mabel was born about 1026, lived in Alencon, Eure, France. She was the daughter of William Talvas de Alencon II and Helie de Bourgogne. She died on 2 Dec 1079 in Bures Castle .
Robert de Belleme was born about 1039 in Perche, France and died in 1119 .
Arnulph de Montgomery was born before 1074 in St. Germain Montgomery, Normandy, France. Arnulph married Lafracoth O'Brien. Lafracoth was born before 1076 in Pembrokeshire, Wales.
Maude de Montgomery was born about 1041 in Mortaigne, Normandie, France and died in 1107 . Maude married Count Robert de Mortaigne before 1058. Count Robert was born about 1037 in Mortaigne, Normandie, France. He was the son of Harlevin de Conteville and Herleva de Falaise. He died on 8 Dec 1090 in France .
Roger "The Poitevin" Montgomery was born about 1058, lived in March, Poitou, France and died after 1102 .
Sybyl de Montgomery was born about 1066, lived in St. Germain, Mntgm, Normandy, France. Sybyl married Robert Fitzhammon about 1084 while living in Normandie, France. Robert was born about 1070 in East Chester, England. He died on 10 Mar 1107 .

Earl Roger was succeeded at Arundel by his son, Robert, known as Robert de Belleme.

John Fitzalan of Clun, who had married Hugh de Albini's daughter Isobel, acquired the Castle and Honour of Arundel. The Fitzalan's were to hold the castle in an almost uninterrupted line until 1555 when Mary Fitzalan, last of the family, married Thomas, 4th Duke of Norfolk, thereby carrying Arundel into the Howard family where it remains to this day.

<http://www.renderplus.com/hartgen/htm/montgomery.htm>

Other Source

Roger "the Great" De Montgomery, b. 1022 in Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England, m. Adelaide de Puiset, ca. 1081, d. 27 July 1094 in Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England, He acceded to Earl of Shrewsbury, 1074 in Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England

Father: Hugh De Montgomery, b. ca. 1000 in St. Germain, Montgomery, Normandy, France
Mother: Sibell De Crêpon

Seigneur de Montgomery and Vicomte de Hiesmes, Roger raised an army and provided more than 60 ships to assist William (Duke of Normandy at that time) in his conquest of England. Roger commanded a wing at the Battle of Hastings, then returned to Normandy with Queen Matilda. He became head of the council that governed Normandy in William's absence. Roger was Earl of Shrewsbury, Shropshire, and Arundel.

After the death of his wife, Mabel, Roger became a monk.

Some sources list Roger's mother as Josseline de Bolbec.
Spouse: Mabel Talvas, b. ca. 1026 in Alencon, Eure, France, d. 2 December 1082 in Bures, France, cause of death beheading by Hughes de la Roche-d'Inge., buried 5 December 1082 in Abbey of Troarn, Eure, France

Father: William II Talvas, b. ca. 1000 in Belleme, Perche, France, d. ca. 1065
Mother: Hildeburg de Beaumont, b. ca. 995 in Alencon, Eure, France, d. 1067, cause of death was strangulation.

Mabel was also known as Mabile, Dame de Belleme, or Dame de Alencon. Mabel oversaw the lands of her family and her husband while he was in England tending to the lands granted to him by William the Conqueror.
Married 1048 in Perche, Normandy, France.

(http://www.geocities.com/missourimule_2000/montgomery.html)

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Roger de Montgomery, Earl of Shrewsbury, Vocmte of the Hiesmois, Seignuer of Montgommerie in Normandy.

Royal Ancestors of Some American Families by Michel Call SLC 1989 #409;

!Royal Ancestors of Some LDS Families by Michel L. Call.

Regent in Normandy, when William "the Conqueror" invaded England; 1st Earl of Arundel, Earl of Shewsburg, Chichesterer, and Sussex; Vivecount of the Huemois; and Lord of the West Marches.
Ancesrry and Progentry of Captain James Blount - Immigrant, by Robert F. Pfafman, p E-33.

Kinship II - A collection of family, friends and U.S. Presidents
URL: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2902060&id=I575150168
ID: I575150168
Name: Roger De MONTGOMERY
Given Name: Roger De
Surname: MONTGOMERY
Sex: M
Birth: 1022 in Of, Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England
Death: 27 Jul 1094 in Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England
Burial: Abbey Of St Peter & St Paul, Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England
Change Date: 19 Mar 2003 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
Note: Ancestral File Number: 9G84-H7

Father: Roger De MONTGOMERY b: Abt 0985 in Of, St Germain Mntgm, Normandy, France
Mother: Josceline De PONTEAUDEMER b: Abt 0989 in Of, , , France

Marriage 1 Mabel TALVAS b: Abt 1026 in Of Alencon, Eure, France
Married: 1048 in Of, , Perche, France
Note: _UID7BAADD2A5FE130489591128C476107FF5678
Children
Phillip MONTGOMERY b: Abt 1056 in Of Montgomery, Montgomery, Wales
Emma MONTGOMERY b: Abt 1060 in Of Montgomery, Montgomery, Wales
Sibyl De MONTGOMERY b: Abt 1066 in Of, St Germain Mntgm, Normandy, France
Maude De MONTGOMERY b: Abt 1041 in Of, Mortaigne, S-Mnch, France
Arnulph De MONTGOMERY b: Abt 1074 in
Hugues De MONTGOMERY b: Abt 1052 in Of, Montgomery, Montgomery, Wales
Robert II De ALENCON b: Abt 1039 in
Mabel MONTGOMERY b: Abt 1064 in Of Montgomery, Montgomery, Wales
Robert MONTGOMERY b: Abt 1050 in Of Montgomery, Montgomery, Wales
Roger "The Poitevin" MONTGOMERY b: Abt 1058 in Of, Marche, Poitou, France

Sources:
Author: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
Title: Ancestral File (R)
Publication: Copyright (c) 1987, June 1998, data as of 5 January 1998
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Note: Turton has Roger as son of Hugh & Josceline, rather than Roger being married to Josceline. After reading the evidence for CP's ancestry in note (c) below, I can see Turton's point. It seems that Turton's interpretation is just as valid as CP's. Turton goes by the "fact" that Josceline married a Hugh de Montgomery and had a son Roger, while CP goes by the "fact" that Josecline was mother of Roger II. One of the "fact"s is wrong. But I think the dates favor Josceline being a grandmother of Roger II, rather than a mother; so I am going with Turton.
ROGER I DE MONTGOMERY, seigneur of Montgomery and vicomte of the Hiesmois, witnessed in 1031 or 1032 a charter of Robert I, Duke of Normandy, for the abbey of St. Wandrille. Between 1028 and 1035 he restored to the abbey of Jumièges a market at Vimoutiers, near Montgomery, of which he had deprived the monks. During the troubles of Duke William's minority he was exiled and went to Paris on account of the murder of Osbern, son of Herfast, the steward, by his son William de Montgomery. At some date unknown he founded a collegiate church for twelve secular canons at Troarn. He married Josceline, a niece of the duchess Gunnor (c). The date of his death is uncertain. [Complete Peerage XI:682-3, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
(c) Robert de Torigny in his continuation of William de Jumieges (bk. viii, chapter 35--ed. Marx, p. 321) makes the mother of Roger II de Montgomery to be Josceline, daughter of Wevie, a sister of Gunnor; in chapter 37 he states Wevie's husband Hugh de Montgomery, but the father of Roger II was undoubtedly named Roger. The mistake in these genealogical chapters, 35-37, as to which see G. H. White's article on "The Sisters and Nieces of Gunnor, Duchess of Normandy" in 'Genealogist', N.S., vol. xxxvii, pp. 57-65, 128-132, are too numerous to make it possible to trust them in default of corroboration, but the statement as to Josceline is in part corroborated by Ives, bishop of Chartres. In a letter of the year 1114 to Henry I ('Rec. des Hist. de France', vol. xv, p. 167) he points out that a projected marriage between a natural daughter of the King and Hugh, son of Gervase de Chateauneuf, would be invalid on the ground of consanguinity. He traces Hugh's pedigree as follows: Senfrie, sister of Gunnor, had a daughter, Josceline, the mother of Roger de Montgomery, who had a daughter Mabel married to Gervase de Chateauneuf, by whom the daughter of Senfrie or Sainfrie, who according to Robert de Torigny (loc. cit.) was Gunnor's sister; the name of Josceline's husband is not given. The bishop seems to be writing with due sense of responsibility, for the letter contains this remarkable passage: " Quod enim dicimus, non ex conjecturis facimus, quia prae manibus habemus scriptam genealogiam, quam scribi fecerunt nobiles viri de eadem tribu progeniti, et parati sunt ante judices ecclesiasticos eandem genealogiam in tuto loco computare et secundum legum instituta probare." Moreover the protest was successful, since Hugh did not marry the King's daughter but a daughter of Waleran, Count of Meulan. If however another of these genealogies of Robert de Torigny be accepted, Hugh nevertheless married within the prohibited degrees, since his bride descended from another of Gunnor's sisters (see 'ante', vol. vii, p. 521, note "c"). Taken as a whole the evidence seems to show that Rober I's wife was Josceline, a niece of Gunnor.

seigneur de Montgommery , Alençon, Sées, Bellême, Arundel, comte de Shropshire & Shrewsbury ?
Montgommery (de), Roger comte de Bellême
Naissance : entre 1005 et 1022. comte d'Alençon et de Bellême du chef de sa femme.
Conseiller de Guillaume, Duc de Normandie et Gouverneur de Normandie pendant la conquête de l'Angleterre par Guillaume le Conquerant.

Roger de Montgommery (ou Montgoméri, Montgomery) dit Roger le Grand (vers 1030 - 27 septembre 1094 ), seigneur de Montgommery, vicomte de l'Hiémois , et sire d'Alençon , fut l'un des seigneurs les plus riches de l'Angleterre nouvellement conquise par Guillaume le Conquérant . Il créa l'une des seigneuries les plus puissantes et stratégiquement importantes apparues après la conquête normande. Il fut 1er comte de Shrewsbury à partir de 1074.
Il était le fils d'un autre Roger de Montgommery , vicomte d'Hiémois , un fidèle du duc de Normandie Robert le Magnifique . Roger de Montgommery hérita des vastes domaines de son père, situés principalement dans le sud du paus d'auge, au centre de la Normandie
On ne connaît pas vraiment son attitude pendant la minorité de Guillaume le Bâtard , fils et successeur de Robert le Magnifique . Les guerres entre barons normands troublaient cette période (1035-1047) et bafouaient l'autorité ducale. L'historien contemporain Guillaume de Jumièges avoue que Roger et ses 4 frères se livrèrent "à toutes sortes de crimes" [2] mais il ne développe pas. Craint-il d'offenser Roger qui, au temps de la rédaction de l'ouvrage (vers 1070), est devenu l'un des plus puissants barons anglo-normand et l'un des proches collaborateurs de Guillaume le Conquérant ? À l'inverse, on peut penser que si Roger est né vers 1030, il n'a pas pu participé activement à ces troubles en raison de son jeune âge.
Ce qui est sûr, c'est que pendant l'enfance du duc, la famille de Montgommery ne fut pas particulièrement fidèle au prince : le père Roger Ier a dû quitter la Normandie, sûrement parce qu'il s'était révolté ou avait comploté contre le pouvoir ducal ; l'un des frères, Guillaume, a assassiné le sénéchal du jeune duc Osbern ; vers 1040, le tuteur du duc Alain III de Bretagne trouva la mort en assiégeant le château de Montgommery . La position de Roger de Montgommery est beaucoup plus claire après l'affermissement du pouvoir de Guillaume le Bâtard . En 1050, il faisait partie des principaux conseillers du duc : il contresigna une charte du duc en faveur de l'abbaye d'Ouche aux côtés des grands barons et évêques de Normandie.
Le duc Guillaume le nomma vicomte d'Exmes (ou d'Hiémois ), une fonction qu'occupait autrefois son père Roger Ier Conscient de son importance, Roger II n'hésita pas à s'intituler « comte de Montgommery » dans deux chartes ducales alors que son domaine n'était qu'une simple châtellenie [4].
En 1066, Guillaume le Bâtard partit à la conquête de l'Angleterre mais Roger ne l'accompagna pas [5]. Il fournit tout de même 60 navires pour l'expédition et appuya la duchesse Mathilde aux côtés de Lanfranc et de Roger de Beaumont dans le gouvernement et la défense de la Normandie.
Après 1050 (selon l'historien Lucien Musset ), Roger de Montgommery épousa, sur l'impulsion du duc, Mabile , la fille du terrible Guillaume II Talvas de Bellême . Il nouait ainsi une alliance avec la famille de Bellême dont les membres s'évertuaient depuis plusieurs dizaines d'années à former une principauté indépendante de la Normandie et du Maine . Cette union matrimoniale permit à Guillaume le Bâtard de voir revenir la seigneurie de Bellême dans le giron normand.
De concert avec sa femme et l'oncle de cette dernière, l'évêque de Sées Yves , Roger de Montgommery refonda le monastère Saint-Martin de Sées. Dans les années 1050, il installa une communauté monastique à Troarn (Calvados ) et enfin créa l'abbaye féminine d'Almenèche (Orne ).
Ces actes pieux n'empêchaient pas le seigneur de Montgommery de malmener les propriétés et les moines de l'abbaye d'Ouche . Il suivait en cela la politique de sa femme Mabille qui vouait une haine féroce contre les familles Giroie et de Grandmesnil , fondatrices de ce monastère. Le couple réussit même à obtenir du duc l'exil (temporaire) de Hugues de Grandmesnil et à récupérer vers 1068 les domaines des Giroie (Montreuil-l'Argillé et Échauffour
Selon les mots d'Ordéric Vital , Guillaume le Conquérant avait un « attachement pour Roger et Mabille »
En décembre 1067, Roger II de Montgommery accompagna outre-Manche son duc, devenu roi d'Angleterre. Il reçut d'abord le rape d'Arundel (comprenant la ville de Chichester ), deux lieux essentiels à la défense du sud de l'Angleterre. Ce secteur se révéla particulièrement calme. Guillaume le Conquérant confia alors à son fidèle compagnon une région plus troublée : le Shropshire (dont la ville principale est Shrewsbury ), en novembre 1071, avec des pouvoirs palatins . Quelques historiens pensent que son élévation au rang de comte date de fin 1074[8]. Aux côtés d'Hugues d'Avranches , comte de Chester et de Roger de Breteuil , comte de Hereford le nouveau comte devait protéger le royaume contre les incursions galloises. En conséquence, plusieurs châteaux furent élevés dont celui de Montgomery , à la limite du comté. En 1093, l'année avant sa mort, Roger de Montgommery s'empara de Ceredigion et Dyfed, le c¶ur du royaume gallois de Deheubarth
Pendant le règne de Guillaume le Conquérant , Roger comptait parmi les six plus puissants seigneurs d'Angleterre. En plus d'une grande partie du Sussex , incluant le rape d'Arundel et les sept huitièmes du Shropshire inclus dans le comté de Shrewsbury, il possédait des domaines dans le Surrey , le Hampshire , le Wiltshire , le Middlesex , le Hertfordshire , le Gloucestershire , le Worcestershire , le Cambridgeshire , le Warwickshire et le Staffordshire . Après 1087, la gestion de ses biens continentaux était laissée à son fils aîné Robert II de Bellême
Révoltes en 1087-1088
La mort de Guillaume le Conquérant en 1087 remit en cause la fidélité de Roger de Montgommery. Il rejoignit la rébellion de 1088 afin de renverser le roi Guillaume II le Roux nouvellement couronné. Guillaume réussit à convaincre Roger d'abandonner la rébellion et à prendre son parti. Bien lui en prit car les rebelles furent vaincus et perdirent toutes leurs possessions en Angleterre.
Quelques mois plus tard, le duc de Normandie Robert Courteheuse arrêta son frère Henri Beauclerc et Robert II de Bellême , le fils de Roger de Montgommery car il les soupçonnait de comploter contre lui. Le comte de Shrewsbury n'apprécia pas cet affront fait à sa famille : il traversa la Manche, débarqua en Normandie et gagna l'Hiémois . Là, il commanda la mise en défense des châteaux familiaux (ainsi que ceux que son fils avaient usurpés): Bellême, Essai , Alençon , Saint-Céneri-le-Gérei , Domfront . Le duc de Normandie Robert Courteheuse mena campagne contre le rebelle, prit quelques forteresses puis étonnamment congédia son armée. Il finit par faire la paix avec l'ancien fidèle de son père et accepta la libération de Robert II de Bellême Roger regagna alors l'Angleterre.
A la fin de sa vie, le vieux comte se retira comme moine dans l'abbaye de Shrewsbury qu'il avait fondé en 1083 (c'était tout de même le quatrième monastère qu'il fondait ou restaurait). Trois jours plus, il y mourut.
En 1094, juste après sa mort, une conjonction d'événements favorables aux Gallois, conduisit à un soulèvement général du Pays de Galles . Les Gallois reprirent de nombreuses terres aux Normands (Deheubarth , Pembroke , Anglesey etc.), et dévastent le Shropshire. À la fin de l'année, toutes les conquêtes des Montgommery étaient perdues
En premières noces, Roger II de Montgomery épousa Mabille Talvas (? 1082), fille de Guillaume II Talvas et héritière d'un vaste domaine aux confins de la Normandie et du Maine : la seigneurie de Bellême . Il en eut 10 enfants.
Roger épousa ensuite Adélaïde de Breteuil, fille d'Évrard, comte de Breteuil et vicomte de Chartres, dont il eut un fils Éverard.
À sa mort, les biens de Roger furent divisés. Robert , le plus âgé de ses enfants survivants reçut la majorité des terres normandes. Le suivant, Hugues . À la mort de Hugues, Robert hérita du comté.

Marié vers 1055 avec Mabile de BELLÊME ca 1020-1082 (Parents : Guillaume II dit Talvas de BELLÊME , seigneur d'Alençon, comte de Bellême, Sées et Alençon ca 995-ca 1070 & Hildberg de BEAUMONT-AU-MAINE ) , dont
Maud de MONTGOMERY ?ca 1085
Robert II le Diable de MONTGOMERY , comte d'Hiesme, de Bellême, de Sées et d'Alençon, Earl of Arundel and of Shrewsbury (3e) ca 1060-1114
Roger II le Poitevin de MONTGOMERY ?1123
Hugues De MONTGOMERY , 2d Earl of Shrewsbury 1042-1098
Arnulph De MONTGOMERY , Earl of Pembroke ca 1060
Sibyl De MONTGOMERY ca 1066
Marié avec Emma N , dont
Gilbert De MONTGOMERY ?1064

GIVN Roger
SURN von Montgomery
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#Générale##Générale#Naissance : entre 1005 et 1022
Profession : Comte de Shrewsbury, de Shropshire deChichester et d'Arundel,Seigneur de Montgommery, Vicomted'Hiesmois, Seigneur d'Alençon du chef de safemme.

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Earl Roger & his first wife had ten children

1. Roger

2. Robert

3. Hugues (Hugh)

4. Roger "le Poitevin" (married Almodis)

5. Philippe

6. Arnoul

7. Emma

8. Matilde (married Robert de Mourtaigne)

9. Mabile

10. Sibylle

'''From Medlands:'''

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMAN%20NOBILITY.htm#RogerMontgommeryShrewsburydied1094

Son of ROGER [I] Seigneur de Montgommery and Vicomte de l'Hiémois & his wife Josceline --- (-Shrewsbury 27 Jul 1094, bur Shrewsbury Abbey[426]). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Hugues, Robert, Roger, Guillaume et Gilbert" as the five sons of Roger de Montgommery, commenting that they remained in Normandy after their father was exiled "se livrant à toutes sortes de crimes"[427]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Rogerum de Montgommeri" as son of "Iosceline"[428]. His father's name is confirmed by the charter dated to [1079/82] under which "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased"[429]. He succeeded his father as Seigneur de Montgommery, Vicomte de l'Hiémois. "…Rogerii de Monte Gomerici…" witnessed the charter dated to [1055] under which Guillaume II Duke of Normandy donated property to the abbey of Marmoutier[430]. "…Willelmi filii Osberti, Rotgerii de Monte Golmerii, Richardis vicecomitis Abrinchensis…" witnessed the charter dated [1055/56] under which Guillaume II Duke of Normandy "in pago…Constantino, villam…Flotomannum" to Saint-Florent de Saumur[431]. The Brevis Relatio de Origine Willelmi Conquestoris records that "Rogero de Montgumeri" contributed 60 ships towards the invasion of England in 1066[432]. He remained in Normandy at the time of the Norman invasion of England in 1066 to assist Duchess Mathilde to govern the duchy[433], but accompanied King William I to England in Dec 1067. The Chronique de Normandie, based on le Roman de Rou, records that William I King of England made "le Conte Rogier de Montgomery et Guillaume le filz Osber" his two "Marechaulx d´Engleterre" after the conquest of England[434]. A charter dated 1066 records his pardoning the abbey of Sainte-Trinité de Rouen for a calumny[435]. Orderic Vitalis records that King William gave him "first of all Arundel castle and the town of Chichester"[436], afterwards creating him Earl of Shrewsbury [1/4] Dec 1074, presumably with the intention of strengthening the defence of the western part of the country against Welsh incursions. As "Rogerus comes Salosberiensis" he witnessed a charter of King William I giving the barony of Plessis to the church of Bayeux dated 24 Dec 1074[437]. Sire d'Alençon. Earl of Shropshire and Shrewsbury. "Rogerius comes…et sua uxor Mabilia atque suus filius Rotbertus" donated property to Notre-Dame de Bellême by charter dated to [1070/79][438]. He allied himself with Robert Duke of Normandy at the time of the latter's rebellion against King William II in 1089[439].

m firstly ([1050/54]) MABILE d'Alençon, daughter of GUILLAUME "Talvas" Sire d'Alençon & his first wife Hildeburge --- (-murdered Bures 2 Dec 1079, bur 5 Dec 1079 Troarn). Guillaume de Jumièges names "Arnoul et Mabille" as children of Guillaume Talvas and Hildeburge[440]. According to Orderic Vitalis, Mabile was "a forceful and worldly woman, cunning, garrulous and extremely cruel"[441]. Guillaume de Jumièges records that her father arranged her marriage to "Roger de Montgomeri" after his exile[442]. "Rogerius comes…et sua uxor Mabilia atque suus filius Rotbertus" donated property to Notre-Dame de Bellême by charter dated to [1070/79][443]. She was murdered by Hugh Bunel, son of Robert "de Jalgeio" from whom she had taken his castle, who found her "relaxing in bed after a bath [and] struck off her head with his sword"[444]. "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased" by charter dated to [1079/82], subscribed by "Rogerii comitis, Rotberti filii eius, Hugonis, Rogerii, Philippi, Arnulfis [filiorum eius]"[445].

m secondly ADELAIS du Puiset [de Breteuil], daughter of ERARD [I] Comte de Breteuil, Vicomte de Chartres & his wife Humberge ---. Orderic Vitalis names Adelais, daughter of Everard du Puiset, as second wife of Roger de Montgommery and says that she was "remarkable for her gentleness and piety"[446].

B: Adelais de Puiset

LINKS
http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMAN%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc254886762
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_de_Montgomerie,_1st_Earl_of_Shrewsbury

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1. ROGER de Montgommery (-[before 1060/62]). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. He witnessed a charter for Saint Martin de Sées[431].

2. ROBERT de Montgommery "de Bellême" ([1052/56]-[Wareham Castle] 1 or 8 May 1118 or [after 1129], bur [Wareham Castle]). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Robert et Hugues, Roger le Poitevin, Philippe et Arnoul, et les filles Emma, Mathilde, Mabille et Sibylle" as the five sons and four daughters of "Roger de Montgomeri" and his wife Mabile[432]. He is referred to as his mother's "first-born son" by Orderic Vitalis, who says his "name is now a byword for his cruelty to the wretched peasantry"[433]. "…Rogerus de Monte Gomeri…Robertus filius Rogeri de Monte Gomeri…" witnessed the charter dated to [1060] under which Guillaume II Duke of Normandy granted "Brenerias" to the abbey of Bayeux[434]. He witnessed a charter for Saint Martin de Sées with his brother Roger431, and a charter for Saint Aubin of Angers in [1060/62] without Roger[435], suggesting that the latter had died by then. "Rogerius comes…et sua uxor Mabilia atque suus filius Rotbertus" donated property to Notre-Dame de Bellême by charter dated to [1070/79][436]. He succeeded his mother in 1079 as Sire de Bellême et d'Alençon. "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased" by charter dated to [1079/82], subscribed by "Rogerii comitis, Rotberti filii eius, Hugonis, Rogerii, Philippi, Arnulfis [filiorum eius]"[437]. He rebelled against William II King of England in 1088, crossed to England but was besieged at Rochester Castle and in Jun 1088 forced to surrender[438]. "Rotbertus de Belismo filius Rotgerii comitis et Mabilie" donated the church of Saint-Léonard de Bellême, built by "Willelmus attavus Rotberti", to Marmoutier, with the consent of "fratres ipsius Rotberti, Hugo, Rotgerius, Arnulfus", by charter dated 1092[439]. He succeeded his father in 1094 in all his possessions in Normandy[440]. He succeeded his younger brother in 1098 as Earl of Shrewsbury after a payment of £3000[441]. He succeeded his father-in-law in Oct 1100 as Comte de Ponthieu. Florence of Worcester records that "Scrobbesbyriensis comes Rotbertus de Beleasmo" rebelled against Henry I King of England in [1101], was deprived of all his honours and estates in England, and retired to Normandy[442]. The Annals of Margan record that “Robertus comes de Belesmo” was expelled from England in 1102 “cum fratre suo Arnulfo”[443]. Florence of Worcester records that "Rotbertus de Beleasm" fought with Robert Duke of Normandy against King Henry I at Tinchebrai in [1106], was captured, but later escaped and fled[444]. He helped Helias de Saint-Saens protect Guillaume, son of Robert "Curthose" ex-Duke of Normandy, after Henry I King of England ordered the arrest of the boy[445]. He was arrested in 1112, imprisoned at Cherbourg and all his lands and honours forfeited. He was imprisoned at Wareham Castle, Dorset from Jul 1113[446]. The Annals of Margan record the death “Kal Mai” in 1118 of “Robertus comes de Belesme”[447]. The 1130 Pipe Roll records payments made "in libatione Robti de Belismo" in Dorsetshire, Wiltshire[448]. This suggests a pension or maintenance in some form, although it is not certain that it relates to Robert de Montgommery Earl of Shrewsbury.

- COMTES de PONTHIEU.

3. HUGUES de Montgommery ([1053/59]-Anglesey 31 Jul 1098, bur [17 Aug 1098] Shrewsbury Abbey[449]). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Robert et Hugues, Roger le Poitevin, Philippe et Arnoul, et les filles Emma, Mathilde, Mabille et Sibylle" as the five sons and four daughters of "Roger de Montgomeri" and his wife Mabile[450]. He is named and his parentage given by Orderic Vitalis, who lists him second among his father's sons by his first marriage[451]. The Annales Cambriæ record that "de Mungumeri Hugo" laid waste to "Keredigiaun" in 1072[452]. "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased" by charter dated to [1079/82], subscribed by "Rogerii comitis, Rotberti filii eius, Hugonis, Rogerii, Philippi, Arnulfis [filiorum eius]"[453]. "Rotbertus de Belismo filius Rotgerii comitis et Mabilie" donated the church of Saint-Léonard de Bellême, built by "Willelmus attavus Rotberti", to Marmoutier, with the consent of "fratres ipsius Rotberti, Hugo, Rotgerius, Arnulfus", by charter dated 1092[454]. He succeeded his father in 1094 as Earl of Shrewsbury and to all his lands in England and Wales[455]. Florence of Worcester records that "comites Hugo de Legecastra et Hugo de Scrobbesbyria" invaded Anglesey in [1098], mutilating or massacring many of the inhabitants of the island, and that "comes Hugo de Scrobbesbyrie" was killed by an arrow discharged by Magnus King of Norway during a raid on the Welsh coast[456]. The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle records that Hugh was killed in Anglesey "by pirates from oversea"[457], or (according to Orderic Vitalis) transfixed with a spear by Magnus brother of the king of Norway on the seashore and died instantly[458]. "Arnulf son of earl Roger" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Martin, Sees for the souls of "his father Roger and his brother Hugh who was slain that year" by charter dated 27 Aug 1098[459].

4. ROGER de Montgommery "le Poitevin" (-1123). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Robert et Hugues, Roger le Poitevin, Philippe et Arnoul, et les filles Emma, Mathilde, Mabille et Sibylle" as the five sons and four daughters of "Roger de Montgomeri" and his wife Mabile[460]. He is named and his parentage given by Orderic Vitalis, who lists him third among his father's sons by his first marriage[461]. "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased" by charter dated to [1079/82], subscribed by "Rogerii comitis, Rotberti filii eius, Hugonis, Rogerii, Philippi, Arnulfis [filiorum eius]"[462]. "Rotbertus de Belismo filius Rotgerii comitis et Mabilie" donated the church of Saint-Léonard de Bellême, built by "Willelmus attavus Rotberti", to Marmoutier, with the consent of "fratres ipsius Rotberti, Hugo, Rotgerius, Arnulfus", by charter dated 1092[463]. He was a considerable landowner in England especially in Lancashire but was banished in 1102 with his brother Robert and retired to Poitou[464]. Comte de la Marche in 1113, de iure uxoris.
m (before 1091) ALMODIS de la Marche, daughter of AUDEBERT [II] Comte de la Marche & his wife Ponce --- (-[1117/29]). The Chronicle of Saint-Maxence records that "Boso comes de Marchia" was killed "Confolento castro" in 1091 and was succeeded by "Aumodis soror sua", wife of "Rotgerio comite"[465]. "Rotgerius comes et Almodis comitissa" donated property to the abbey of Charroux by charter dated [1090/1100][466]. She succeeded as Ctss de La Marche in 1098.

- COMTES de LA MARCHE.

5. PHILIPPE de Montgommery "Grammaticus" (-Antioch 1099). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Robert et Hugues, Roger le Poitevin, Philippe et Arnoul, et les filles Emma, Mathilde, Mabille et Sibylle" as the five sons and four daughters of "Roger de Montgomeri" and his wife Mabile[467]. He is named and his parentage given by Orderic Vitalis, who lists him fourth among his father's sons by his first marriage[468]. "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased" by charter dated to [1079/82], subscribed by "Rogerii comitis, Rotberti filii eius, Hugonis, Rogerii, Philippi, Arnulfis [filiorum eius]"[469]. Florence of Worcester records that "Philippum Rogeri Scrobbesbyriensis comitis filium" was imprisoned in [1096] for his part in the conspiracy which planned to place his son on the English throne[470]. He went on the First Crusade with Robert III Duke of Normandy and died at the siege of Antioch[471].
m ---. The name of Philippe's wife is not known.
Philippe & his wife had one child:

a) MATHILDE de Montgommery . Daughter of Philippe, Orderic Vitalis records that she succeeded her paternal aunt as Abbess of Almenèches in 1113[472].

6. ARNOUL de Montgommery (-after 1119). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Robert et Hugues, Roger le Poitevin, Philippe et Arnoul, et les filles Emma, Mathilde, Mabille et Sibylle" as the five sons and four daughters of "Roger de Montgomeri" and his wife Mabile[473]. He is named and his parentage given by Orderic Vitalis, who lists him fifth among his father's sons by his first marriage[474]. "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased" by charter dated to [1079/82], subscribed by "Rogerii comitis, Rotberti filii eius, Hugonis, Rogerii, Philippi, Arnulfis [filiorum eius]"[475]. "Rotbertus de Belismo filius Rotgerii comitis et Mabilie" donated the church of Saint-Léonard de Bellême, built by "Willelmus attavus Rotberti", to Marmoutier, with the consent of "fratres ipsius Rotberti, Hugo, Rotgerius, Arnulfus", by charter dated 1092[476]. "Arnulf son of earl Roger" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Martin, Sees for the souls of "his father Roger and his brother Hugh who was slain that year" by charter dated 27 Aug 1098[477]. He obtained the comitatus of Pembroke but was apparently not an Earl. The Annals of Margan record that “Robertus comes de Belesmo” was expelled from England in 1102 “cum fratre suo Arnulfo”[478]. He was banished from England with his brother Robert[479]. He went to Scotland and was ancestor of the MONTGOMMERIE family in Scotland[480].
m (1102) LAFRACOTH of Munster, daughter of MURTACH O'Brien King of Munster & his wife ---. She is named daughter "of an Irish king named Murchertach" by Orderic Vitalis[481]. The Annals of Inisfallen record that "Muirchertach Ua Briain made a marriage alliance with the French and with the Norsemen” in 1102[482].

7. EMMA de Montgommery (-4 Mar 1113). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Robert et Hugues, Roger le Poitevin, Philippe et Arnoul, et les filles Emma, Mathilde, Mabille et Sibylle" as the five sons and four daughters of "Roger de Montgomeri" and his wife Mabile[483]. She is named and her parentage given by Orderic Vitalis, who lists her first among her father's daughters by his first marriage, and specifies that she was nun and abbess of Almenèches[484]. After the abbey was burnt in [1102], she fled to Saint-Evroul, returning the following year and dying about ten years later[485].

8. MATHILDE de Montgommery (-[1085], bur abbaye de Grestain). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Robert et Hugues, Roger le Poitevin, Philippe et Arnoul, et les filles Emma, Mathilde, Mabille et Sibylle" as the five sons and four daughters of "Roger de Montgomeri" and his wife Mabile[486]. She is named and her parentage given by Orderic Vitalis, who lists her second among her father's daughters by his first marriage and names her husband[487].
m (before 1066) as his first wife, ROBERT Comte de Mortain, son of HERLUIN Vicomte de Contéville & his first wife Herlève --- (after 1040-8 Dec 1090, bur abbaye de Grestain).

9. MABILE de Montgommery (-after 1132). Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Robert et Hugues, Roger le Poitevin, Philippe et Arnoul, et les filles Emma, Mathilde, Mabille et Sibylle" as the five sons and four daughters of "Roger de Montgomeri" & his wife Mabile[488]. She is named and her parentage given by Orderic Vitalis, who lists her third among her father's daughters by his first marriage and names her husband[489]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Mabilla" daughter (presumably a mistake for wife) of "Rogerum de Montgommeri" and her daughter "alteram Mabillam uxorem Gervasii" and the latter's son "Hugo de Castro novo" whose proposed marriage with the daughter of Henry I King of England was opposed by "Yvo Carnetensis episcopus" on the grounds of consanguinity, his ancestry being explained by Alberic[490]. "Domna Mabilia uxor domni Gervasii de Novo Castello" donated property to Chartres Saint-Père by charter dated to [1101/29][491]. "Hugo Castrinovi dominus" confirmed donations to the monastery of Saint-Vincent, with the consent of "uxore mea Alberedi et matre mea senior iam detenta Mabilia et filiis meis Hugone, Gervasio et Galeranno", by charter dated 1132[492].
m GERVAISE Sire de Châteauneuf-en-Thimerais, son of ---. "Gervasius miles" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Martin des Champs with the consent of "Mabilia uxor sua et Hugone primogenito suo" by charter dated [1106/09][493]. "Gervasius et uxor eius Mabilia" donated property to Chartres Saint-Père by charter dated 1107 with the consent of "filiis eorum Hugone, Petro, Gervasio, Guascone et filia Mabilia"[494].

10. SIBYLLE de Montgommery . Guillaume de Jumièges names (in order) "Robert et Hugues, Roger le Poitevin, Philippe et Arnoul, et les filles Emma, Mathilde, Mabille et Sibylle" as the five sons and four daughters of "Roger de Montgomeri" & his wife Mabile[495]. She is named and her parentage given by Orderic Vitalis, who lists her fourth among her father's daughters by his first marriage and also names her first husband[496]. The Chronica de Fundatoribus et Fundatione of Tewkesbury Abbey records that ”Robertum filium Haymonis, dominum de Astramervilla in Normannia” married “Sibillam sororem Roberti de Belismo, comitis Salopiæ”[497]. The primary source which confirms her second marriage has not yet been identified.
m firstly ROBERT FitzHamon Lord of Glamorgan, son of HAMON & his wife --- (-Newbury Mar 1107).
m secondly JEAN Sire de Raimes .

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From Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_de_Montgomerie,_1st_Earl_of_Shrewsbury

Roger the Great de Montgomery, was the first Earl of Shrewsbury. His father was also Roger de Montgomerie, and was a relative, probably a grandnephew, of the Duchess Gunnor, wife of Duke Richard I of Normandy. The elder Roger had large holdings in central Normandy, chiefly in the valley of the Dives, which the younger Roger inherited.

Roger was one of William the Conqueror's principal counselors. He did not fight in the initial invasion of England in 1066, instead staying behind to help govern Normandy. Afterwards he was entrusted with land in two places critical for the defense of England, receiving the rape of Arundel at the end of 1067 (or in early 1068), and in November 1071 he was created Earl of Shrewsbury. (A few historians believe that while he received the Shropshire territories in 1071 he was not created Earl until a few years later.)

Roger was thus one of the half a dozen greatest magnates in England during William the Conqueror's reign. In addition to the large part of Sussex included in the Rape of Arundel, and seven-eights of Shropshire which were associated with the earldom of Shrewsbury, he had estates in Surrey, Hampshire, Wiltshire, Middlesex, Hertfordshire, Gloucestershire, Worcestershire, Cambridgeshire, Warwickshire and Staffordshire.

After William I's death in 1087, Roger had joined with other rebels to overthrow the newly crowned King William Rufus in the Rebellion of 1088. However William Rufus was able to convince Roger to abandon the rebellion and side with him, which was fortuitous as the rebels were beaten and lost their land holdings in England.

Roger first married Mabel of Bellême, who was heiress to a large territory on both sides of the border between Normandy and Maine. By her he had 10 children.

Roger then married Adelaide de Le Puiset, by whom he had one son, Everard, who entered the Church.

After his death, Roger's estates were divided. The eldest surviving son, Robert, received the bulk of the Norman estates (as well as his mother's estates); the next son, Hugh, received the bulk of the English estates and the Earldom of Shrewsbury. After Hugh's death the elder son Robert inherited the earldom.

On screen, Roger was portrayed by actor John Greenwood in the two-part BBC TV play Conquest (1966), part of the series Theatre 625.

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Note 1:
Earl of Arundel
Note 2:
Became a monk

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Roger de Montgomery invited in 1056 Gislebert, Abbot of Chatillon, with his monks, to Froarn, and expelled thence the twelve canons who had been placed there by his father in 1022, and had abandoned themselves to gluttony, debauchery, carnal pleasures, and worldly occupations.

Roger was not, contrary to some historians, a companion of William the Conqueror in the conquest of England in 1066.

He was created Earl of Arundel and Shewsbury by his "distant" (3rd) cousin, William the Conqueror, in December 1067. He acquired Alençon and Bellesme by right of his wife, Mable Talvas, on the death of her uncle, Ivo de Belesme, Bishop of Séez in 1070.

He drafted a charter in favour of St. Stephen's at Caen in 1082.

He married Adelaide de Puiset, daughter of Everard de Puiset, after 1082.

Roger died in 1094 at the Abbey of St. Peter and St. Paul, Shrewsbury, at the age of 89 years. For three days before his death he had wholly applied himself to divine conference and devout prayers with the rest of the community, expiring, in the odor of sanctity. (You mean he smelled good?)

Roger was our ancestor through two distinct descent lines--one through his daughter Matildis and the other through his daughter Sybil, both of whom were independently our ancestors.

See "My Lines"

( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/p353.htm#i4643 )

from Compiler: R. B. Stewart, Evans, GA

( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/index.htm )

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'''References'''

J.F.A. Mason, "Roger de Montgomery and His Sons (1067–1102)", Transactions of the Royal Historical Society, 5th series vol. 13 (1963) 1-28
Kathleen Thompson, "The Norman Aristocracy before 1066: the Example of the Montgomerys", Historical Research 60 (1987) 251-263
Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America Before 1700 by Frederick Lewis Weis Lines: 124-26, 185-1
Stirnet: Montgomery01
[edit] External links
VIMOUTIERS Heart of the Pays d'Auge in Normandy
OLD PICTURES - VINTAGE CARDS (scroll down to On Roger de Mont Gommeri's lands section)
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The Castles of Wales: Roger of Montgomery

'''Peerage of England'''

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New Creation Earl of Shrewsbury

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Succeeded by

Hugh of Montgomery

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Roger Montgomery, First Earl of Shrewsbury and a cousin of William the Conqueror ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arundel_Castle ) was listed in the Domesday as one of England's feudal Barons (see list of definite http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_feudal_barony ) and presided over the Castle of Arundel.

His son, Robert Le Despencer (last name changed from Montgomery to Despencer to reflect his occupational role as chief Dispenser to William the Conqueror) is listed as a probable (rather than a definite) barony in Nottinghamshire from the year 1086 (see list of probable baronies at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_feudal_barony ). The first Nottingham castle built by the Normans in 1067, a year after the Battle of Hastings, on the orders of William the Conqueror. It was a wooden structure and of a motte-and-bailey desigb which was replaced by a far more defensible stone castle during the reign of Henry II. More like a mansion with an imposing and complex architectural design than a castle, it eventually comprised an upper bailey at the highest point of the castle rock, a middle bailey to the north which contained the main royal apartments, and a large outer bailey to the east. For centuries the castle served as one of the most important in England for nobles and royalty alike. It was in a strategic position due to its location near a crossing of the River Trent. It was also known as a place of leisure being close to the royal hunting grounds at Tideswell, which was the "Kings Larder" in the Royal Forest of the Peak, and also the royal forests of Barnsdale and Sherwood Forest. The castle also had its own deer park in the area immediately to the west, which is still known as The Park. See history at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nottingham_Castle#Royal_residence

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No record of who wrote the following or what their sources were, if any but according to Medlands it is evident that he did not die in Scotland and although he was given Arundel Castle he is not recorded as being called the 'Earl of Arundel' (Terry Jackson Curator 22 Oct. 2011)

Roger "the Great" de Montgomery Earl of Shrewsbury & Arundel was the progenitor of Clan Montgomery a Lowland Clan in Scotland of Anglo-Norman origin. This clan was famous for their involvment in one of the longest fueds in Scotland with Clan Cunningham. Roger "the Great" de Montgomery Earl of Shrewsbury & Arundel was also known as Roger Montgomerie. He married Mabel Talvas. Roger "the Great" de Montgomery Earl of Shrewsbury & Arundel was born circa 1030. He died on 27 July 1094 at Scotland.

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=Roger II de Montgommery=

Son of ROGER [I] Seigneur de Montgommery and Vicomte de l'Hiémois & his wife Josceline ---
m1:MABILE d'Alençon, daughter of GUILLAUME "Talvas" Sire d'Alençon & his first wife Hildeburge ---
Issue:
# Roger
# Robert
# Hugues
# Roger
# Philippe
# Arnoul
# Emma
# Mathilde
# Mabile
# Sibylle

m2: ADELAIS du Puiset [de Breteuil], daughter of ERARD [I] Comte de Breteuil, Vicomte de Chartres & his wife Humberge ---.
Issue: EVERARD de Montgommery

Concubine: Unknown
Issue:
HUGUES de Montgommery

===From FMG Medlands:===

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'''ROGER [II] de Montgommery''', son of ROGER [I] Seigneur de Montgommery and Vicomte de l'Hiémois & his wife Josceline --- (-Shrewsbury 27 Jul 1094, bur Shrewsbury Abbey[467]). Guillaume of Jumièges names “Hugo et Robertus, Rogerius et Willelmus atque Gislebertus” as the five sons of “Rogeri[us] de Montegumeri“, adding that they had remained in Normandy during their father´s exile[468]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Rogerum de Montgommeri" as son of "Iosceline"[469]. His father's name is confirmed by the charter dated to [1079/82] under which "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased"[470]. He succeeded his father as Seigneur de Montgommery, Vicomte de l'Hiémois. Orderic Vitalis records that “Rogerius de Monte-Gomeri, Oximensis vicecomes” expelled the canons from Troarn, where they had been installed by “Rogerius pater suus”[471]. "…Rogerii de Monte Gomerici…" witnessed the charter dated to [1055] under which Guillaume II Duke of Normandy donated property to the abbey of Marmoutier[472]. "…Willelmi filii Osberti, Rotgerii de Monte Golmerii, Richardis vicecomitis Abrinchensis…" witnessed the charter dated [1055/56] under which Guillaume II Duke of Normandy "in pago…Constantino, villam…Flotomannum" to Saint-Florent de Saumur[473]. Orderic Vitalis names “...Rogerius de Bellomonte et Rogerius de Monte-Gomerici...” among the leading lords under Guillaume II Duke of Normandy[474]. A charter dated 1066 records his pardoning the abbey of Sainte-Trinité de Rouen for a calumny[475]. The Brevis Relatio de Origine Willelmi Conquestoris records that "Rogero de Montgumeri" contributed 60 ships towards the invasion of England in 1066[476]. He remained in Normandy at the time of the Norman invasion of England in 1066 to assist Duchess Mathilde to govern the duchy, but accompanied King William I to England in Dec 1067: Orderic Vitalis records that, when King William returned to England, 6 Dec 1067, he appointed “Mathildi conjugi suæ filioque suo Rodberto adolescenti” to govern Normandy (“principatum Neustriæ”), adding that the king took with him “Rogerium de Monte-Gomerici” whom he had appointed as “tutorem Normanniæ...cum sua conjuge” when he had left for England for the first time and that King William granted “primo Cicestram et Arundellum...post aliquot tempus Scrobesburiensem” to Roger[477]. [Earl] of Chester and Arundel. Earl of Shrewsbury. Orderic Vitalis records that “Rogerius de Monte-Gomerici”, after the fall of “Geroiana progenies”, held “totum patrimonium Excalfoii et Monasterioli” for about 26 years[478]. The Chronique de Normandie, based on le Roman de Rou, records that William I King of England made "le Conte Rogier de Montgomery et Guillaume le filz Osber" his two "Marechaulx d´Engleterre" after the conquest of England[479]. He became Sire d´Alençon, de iure uxoris, after the death in 1070 of her paternal uncle Ives Bishop of Seés. As "Rogerus comes Salosberiensis" he witnessed a charter of King William I giving the barony of Plessis to the church of Bayeux dated 24 Dec 1074[480]. "Rogerius comes…et sua uxor Mabilia atque suus filius Rotbertus" donated property to Notre-Dame de Bellême by charter dated to [1070/79][481]. Orderic Vitalis records that “V Kal Mar” in 1083 “Rogerius comes” declared to “Guarinum vicecomitem et Picotem de Saia cæterosque proceres suos” his intention of founding the abbey of Saint-Pierre[482]. He allied himself with Robert Duke of Normandy at the time of the latter's rebellion against King William II in 1089[483]. Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Rogerius de Monte-gumerii pater Roberti de Belesmo” founded “in honorem sancti Martini ecclesias duas, unam in Sagiensis urbis suburbio, alteram in vico suo Troardo” and “tertiam...apud Almanachias ad opus sanctiomonialium”[484]. Orderic Vitalis records the death “VI Kal Aug” in 1094 “Rogerius...comes” and his burial at Shrewsbury abbey[485].

m firstly ([1050/54]) MABILE d'Alençon, daughter of GUILLAUME "Talvas" Sire d'Alençon & his first wife Hildeburge --- (-murdered Bures 2 Dec 1079, bur 5 Dec 1079 Troarn). Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Willelmus cognomento Talavatius” married “Hildeburge...filiam Arnulfi” by whom he had “Arnulfum et Mabiliam” and whom he had strangled “a duobus parasitis”[486]. Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Willelmus Talavatius”, after he was exiled, arranged the marriage of “filiam suam...Mabiliam” to “Rogerium de Monte-Gummeri” who received him in his household[487]. Orderic Vitalis records that “Ivo filius Willermi Belesmensis...neptem...Mabiliam” married "Rogerius de Monte-Gomerici Oximensium vicecomes" who through her obtained "magnam partem possessionis Willermi Belesmensis", adding that Mabile was "a forceful and worldly woman, cunning, garrulous and extremely cruel" (“potens et sæcularis, callida et loquax, nimiumque crudelis”)[488]. "Rogerius comes…et sua uxor Mabilia atque suus filius Rotbertus" donated property to Notre-Dame de Bellême by charter dated to [1070/79][489]. Orderic Vitalis records that she was murdered by Hugh Bunel, son of Robert "de Jalgeio" from whom she had taken his castle, who found her "relaxing in bed after a bath [and] struck off her head with his sword"[490]. "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased" by charter dated to [1079/82], subscribed by "Rogerii comitis, Rotberti filii eius, Hugonis, Rogerii, Philippi, Arnulfis [filiorum eius]"[491].

m secondly ADELAIS du Puiset [de Breteuil], daughter of ERARD [I] Comte de Breteuil, Vicomte de Chartres & his wife Humberge ---. Orderic Vitalis records that, after the death of his first wife, “Rogerius [de Monte-Gomerici]” married secondly “Adelaisam Ebrardi de Pusacio...filiam”, by whom he had “unum...filium...Ebrardum...inter regales capellanos usque hodie...in aula Guillelmi et Henrici, Angliæ regum” for about 26 years[492].

Earl Roger & his first wife had ten children:

1. ROGER de Montgommery (-[before 1060/62]). "Rogerii, Mabiliæ…Rogeri pueri filii Rogerii, Roberti fratris eius…" witnessed an undated charter for Saint Martin de Sées[493].

2. ROBERT de Montgommery "de Bellême" ([1052/56]-[Wareham Castle] 1 or 8 May 1118 or [after 1129], bur [Wareham Castle]). Guillaume of Jumièges names “quinque filios et quatuor filias...Robertus et Hugo, Rogerius Pictavinus, Philippus et Arnulfus, Emma, Mathildis, Mabilia et Sibylla” as the children of “Willelmus Talavatius...filiam suam...Mabiliam” and “Rogerium de Monte-Gummeri”[494]. Orderic Vitalis names “Rodbertus de Bellismo, Hugo de Monte-Gomerici, Rogerius Pictavinus, Philippus atque Arnulfus” as the five sons of “Rogerius [de Monte-Gomerici]” and his first wife[495]. Orderic Vitalis names “Rodbertum...de Belesmia primogenitum filium suum [referring to Mabile]” and adds that "cujus crudelitas in diebus nostris super miseras plebes nimium efferbuit"[496]. "…Rogerus de Monte Gomeri…Robertus filius Rogeri de Monte Gomeri…" witnessed the charter dated to [1060] under which Guillaume II Duke of Normandy granted "Brenerias" to the abbey of Bayeux[497]. He witnessed a charter for Saint Martin de Sées with his brother Roger448, and a charter for Saint Aubin of Angers in [1060/62] without Roger[498], suggesting that the latter had died by then. "Rogerius comes…et sua uxor Mabilia atque suus filius Rotbertus" donated property to Notre-Dame de Bellême by charter dated to [1070/79][499]. Orderic Vitalis records the rebellion of Robert, son of King William I, and his departure from Normandy accompanied by “Rodbertus de Bellismo et Guillelmus de Britolio, Rogerius Ricardi de Benefacta filius, Rodbertus de Molbraio et Guillelmus de Molinis, Guillelmus de Ruperia”, dated to [1077/78], and their journeys during five years of exile[500]. He succeeded his mother in 1079 as Sire de Bellême et d'Alençon. "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased" by charter dated to [1079/82], subscribed by "Rogerii comitis, Rotberti filii eius, Hugonis, Rogerii, Philippi, Arnulfis [filiorum eius]"[501]. He rebelled against William II King of England in 1088, crossed to England but was besieged at Rochester Castle and in Jun 1088 forced to surrender[502]. Orderic Vitalis records “Edgarus Adelinus et Robertus Belesmensis atque Guillelmus de Archis monachus Molismensis” as the advisers of Robert [III] Duke of Normandy, dated to [1089][503]. Orderic Vitalis records that “Rodbertus Belesmensis” built “Furcas...castellum et...Castellum Gunterii...super Olnam fluvium ad Curbam” and attacked all his neighbours, dated to [1090][504]. "Rotbertus de Belismo filius Rotgerii comitis et Mabilie" donated the church of Saint-Léonard de Bellême, built by "Willelmus attavus Rotberti", to Marmoutier, with the consent of "fratres ipsius Rotberti, Hugo, Rotgerius, Arnulfus", by charter dated 1092[505]. Orderic Vitalis records that, after the death of his father in 1094, “Rodbertus...filius eius” obtained “totum feudum eius in Normannia”, adding that he was “crudelis et superbus” and committed “innumeras iniquitates”[506]. He succeeded his younger brother in 1098 as Earl of Shrewsbury after a payment of £3000[507]. He succeeded his father-in-law in Oct 1100 as Comte de Ponthieu. Florence of Worcester records that "Scrobbesbyriensis comes Rotbertus de Beleasmo" rebelled against Henry I King of England in [1101], was deprived of all his honours and estates in England, and retired to Normandy[508]. The Annals of Margan record that “Robertus comes de Belesmo” was expelled from England in 1102 “cum fratre suo Arnulfo”[509]. Florence of Worcester records that "Rotbertus de Beleasm" fought with Robert Duke of Normandy against King Henry I at Tinchebrai in [1106], was captured, but later escaped and fled[510]. He helped Helias de Saint-Saens protect Guillaume, son of Robert "Curthose" ex-Duke of Normandy, after Henry I King of England ordered the arrest of the boy[511]. He was arrested in 1112, imprisoned at Cherbourg and all his lands and honours forfeited. He was imprisoned at Wareham Castle, Dorset from Jul 1113[512]. The Annals of Margan record the death “Kal Mai” in 1118 of “Robertus comes de Belesme”[513]. The 1130 Pipe Roll records payments made "in libatione Robti de Belismo" in Dorsetshire, Wiltshire[514]. This suggests a pension or maintenance in some form, although it is not certain that it relates to Robert de Montgommery Earl of Shrewsbury.

- COMTES de PONTHIEU.

3. HUGUES de Montgommery ([1053/59]-Anglesey 31 Jul 1098, bur [17 Aug 1098] Shrewsbury Abbey[515]). Guillaume of Jumièges names “quinque filios et quatuor filias...Robertus et Hugo, Rogerius Pictavinus, Philippus et Arnulfus, Emma, Mathildis, Mabilia et Sibylla” as the children of “Willelmus Talavatius...filiam suam...Mabiliam” and “Rogerium de Monte-Gummeri”[516]. Orderic Vitalis names “Rodbertus de Bellismo, Hugo de Monte-Gomerici, Rogerius Pictavinus, Philippus atque Arnulfus” as the five sons of “Rogerius [de Monte-Gomerici]” and his first wife[517]. The Annales Cambriæ record that "de Mungumeri Hugo" laid waste to "Keredigiaun" in 1072[518]. Orderic Vitalis records that, after the murder of his mother [in 1079], “Hugo de Monte-Gomerici” unsuccessfully pursued the assassins with 16 knights[519]. "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased" by charter dated to [1079/82], subscribed by "Rogerii comitis, Rotberti filii eius, Hugonis, Rogerii, Philippi, Arnulfis [filiorum eius]"[520]. "Rotbertus de Belismo filius Rotgerii comitis et Mabilie" donated the church of Saint-Léonard de Bellême, built by "Willelmus attavus Rotberti", to Marmoutier, with the consent of "fratres ipsius Rotberti, Hugo, Rotgerius, Arnulfus", by charter dated 1092[521]. Earl of Shrewsbury: Orderic Vitalis records that, after the death of his father in 1094, “Hugo...de Monte-Gomerici [filius eius]” obtained “comitatum Scrobesburiæ”, but that after a few years he was killed by “Magno fratre regis Northwigenarum” and buried “Scrobesburiensis conventus”[522]. Florence of Worcester records that "comites Hugo de Legecastra et Hugo de Scrobbesbyria" invaded Anglesey in [1098], mutilating or massacring many of the inhabitants of the island, and that "comes Hugo de Scrobbesbyrie" was killed by an arrow discharged by Magnus King of Norway during a raid on the Welsh coast[523]. The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle records that Hugh was killed in Anglesey "by pirates from oversea"[524], or (according to Orderic Vitalis) transfixed with a spear by Magnus brother of the king of Norway on the seashore and died instantly[525]. "Arnulf son of earl Roger" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Martin, Sees for the souls of "his father Roger and his brother Hugh who was slain that year" by charter dated 27 Aug 1098[526].

4. ROGER de Montgommery "le Poitevin" (-1123). Guillaume of Jumièges names “quinque filios et quatuor filias...Robertus et Hugo, Rogerius Pictavinus, Philippus et Arnulfus, Emma, Mathildis, Mabilia et Sibylla” as the children of “Willelmus Talavatius...filiam suam...Mabiliam” and “Rogerium de Monte-Gummeri”[527]. Orderic Vitalis names “Rodbertus de Bellismo, Hugo de Monte-Gomerici, Rogerius Pictavinus, Philippus atque Arnulfus” as the five sons of “Rogerius [de Monte-Gomerici]” and his first wife[528]. "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased" by charter dated to [1079/82], subscribed by "Rogerii comitis, Rotberti filii eius, Hugonis, Rogerii, Philippi, Arnulfis [filiorum eius]"[529]. "Rotbertus de Belismo filius Rotgerii comitis et Mabilie" donated the church of Saint-Léonard de Bellême, built by "Willelmus attavus Rotberti", to Marmoutier, with the consent of "fratres ipsius Rotberti, Hugo, Rotgerius, Arnulfus", by charter dated 1092[530]. “Rogerus comes Pictavensis” founded the priory of Lancaster, for the salvation of “Rogeri Seroberie patris sui matrisque sue Mabilie cometisse”, and donated “duos mansiones Audecliua et Neutona...cum dignitate et consuetudinibus quas ipse habebat et Amfridum de Monte Gomerii” and other specified properties, by undated charter witnessed by “predictus comes et filia eius Sibilla et G. Vicecomes...”[531]. “Amfridus de Monte Gomerii”, who is named in this document, has not otherwise been traced. Roger was a considerable landowner in England especially in Lancashire but was banished in 1102 with his brother Robert and retired to Poitou[532]. Comte de la Marche in 1113, de iure uxoris. [m firstly ---. No direct evidence has been found about this possible first marriage. However, Roger’s daughter Sibylle witnessed the charter which records her father’s foundation of the priory of Lancaster (see above) without any of the donor’s other known children. This suggests that she was Roger’s oldest and probably only child at the time, possibly born from an earlier marriage.] m [secondly] (before 1091) ALMODIS de la Marche, daughter of AUDEBERT [II] Comte de la Marche & his wife Ponce --- (-[1117/29]). The Chronicle of Saint-Maxence records that "Boso comes de Marchia" was killed "Confolento castro" in 1091 and was succeeded by "Aumodis soror sua", wife of "Rotgerio comite"[533]. "Rotgerius comes et Almodis comitissa" donated property to the abbey of Charroux by charter dated [1090/1100][534]. She succeeded as Ctss de La Marche in 1098.

- COMTES de LA MARCHE.

5. PHILIPPE de Montgommery "Grammaticus" (-Antioch 1099). Guillaume of Jumièges names “quinque filios et quatuor filias...Robertus et Hugo, Rogerius Pictavinus, Philippus et Arnulfus, Emma, Mathildis, Mabilia et Sibylla” as the children of “Willelmus Talavatius...filiam suam...Mabiliam” and “Rogerium de Monte-Gummeri”[535]. Orderic Vitalis names “Rodbertus de Bellismo, Hugo de Monte-Gomerici, Rogerius Pictavinus, Philippus atque Arnulfus” as the five sons of “Rogerius [de Monte-Gomerici]” and his first wife[536]. "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased" by charter dated to [1079/82], subscribed by "Rogerii comitis, Rotberti filii eius, Hugonis, Rogerii, Philippi, Arnulfis [filiorum eius]"[537]. Florence of Worcester records that "Philippum Rogeri Scrobbesbyriensis comitis filium" was imprisoned in [1096] for his part in the conspiracy which planned to place his son on the English throne[538]. Orderic Vitalis records that “Philippus” went on pilgrimage [on the First Crusade] with “Rodberto duce” [Robert [III] Duke of Normandy] and died “Antiochiæ”[539]. m ---. The name of Philippe's wife is not known. Philippe & his wife had one child:

a) MATHILDE de Montgommery . Daughter of Philippe, Orderic Vitalis records that she succeeded her paternal aunt as Abbess of Almenèches in 1113[540].

6. ARNOUL de Montgommery (-after 1119). Guillaume of Jumièges names “quinque filios et quatuor filias...Robertus et Hugo, Rogerius Pictavinus, Philippus et Arnulfus, Emma, Mathildis, Mabilia et Sibylla” as the children of “Willelmus Talavatius...filiam suam...Mabiliam” and “Rogerium de Monte-Gummeri”[541]. Orderic Vitalis names “Rodbertus de Bellismo, Hugo de Monte-Gomerici, Rogerius Pictavinus, Philippus atque Arnulfus” as the five sons of “Rogerius [de Monte-Gomerici]” and his first wife[542]. "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased" by charter dated to [1079/82], subscribed by "Rogerii comitis, Rotberti filii eius, Hugonis, Rogerii, Philippi, Arnulfis [filiorum eius]"[543]. "Rotbertus de Belismo filius Rotgerii comitis et Mabilie" donated the church of Saint-Léonard de Bellême, built by "Willelmus attavus Rotberti", to Marmoutier, with the consent of "fratres ipsius Rotberti, Hugo, Rotgerius, Arnulfus", by charter dated 1092[544]. "Arnulf son of earl Roger" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Martin, Sees for the souls of "his father Roger and his brother Hugh who was slain that year" by charter dated 27 Aug 1098[545]. He obtained the comitatus of Pembroke but was apparently not an Earl. The Annals of Margan record that “Robertus comes de Belesmo” was expelled from England in 1102 “cum fratre suo Arnulfo”[546]. He was banished from England with his brother Robert[547]. According to Europäische Stammtafeln, he went to Scotland and was ancestor of the MONTGOMMERIE family in Scotland[548], but the following charter indicates that he was still active in the Maine/Anjou area twenty years later. “Berlaius de Monasteriolo et Geraudus filius eius, Hernulfus de Monte Gomeri” witnessed the charter dated to [1118/26] which records that “Herbertum de Wircha generum Goffirdi de Asceio” confirmed the donation of the church of Saint-Médard de Vernie to Angers Saint-Nicolas by “Goffridus de Asceio et uxor sua filia Willelmi de Verneia”[549]. m (1102) LAFRACOTH of Munster, daughter of MURTACH O'Brien King of Munster & his wife ---. She is named daughter "of an Irish king named Murchertach" by Orderic Vitalis[550]. The Annals of Inisfallen record that "Muirchertach Ua Briain made a marriage alliance with the French and with the Norsemen” in 1102[551].

7. EMMA de Montgommery (-4 Mar 1113). Guillaume of Jumièges names “quinque filios et quatuor filias...Robertus et Hugo, Rogerius Pictavinus, Philippus et Arnulfus, Emma, Mathildis, Mabilia et Sibylla” as the children of “Willelmus Talavatius...filiam suam...Mabiliam” and “Rogerium de Monte-Gummeri”[552]. Abbess of Almenèches: Orderic Vitalis names “Emma sanctimonialis et Almaniscarum abbatissa, Mathildis comitissa uxor...Rodberti Moritoliensium comitis, Mabilia conjux Hugonis de Novo-Castello et Sibylia uxor Rodberti filii Haimonis” as the four daughters of “Rogerius [de Monte-Gomerici]” and his first wife[553]. Orderic Vitalis records that, after the abbey was burnt in [1102], she fled to Saint-Evroul, returning the following year and dying about ten years later[554].

8. MATHILDE de Montgommery (-[1085], bur abbaye de Grestain). Guillaume of Jumièges names “quinque filios et quatuor filias...Robertus et Hugo, Rogerius Pictavinus, Philippus et Arnulfus, Emma, Mathildis, Mabilia et Sibylla” as the children of “Willelmus Talavatius...filiam suam...Mabiliam” and “Rogerium de Monte-Gummeri”[555]. Orderic Vitalis names “Emma sanctimonialis et Almaniscarum abbatissa, Mathildis comitissa uxor...Rodberti Moritoliensium comitis, Mabilia conjux Hugonis de Novo-Castello et Sibylia uxor Rodberti filii Haimonis” as the four daughters of “Rogerius [de Monte-Gomerici]” and his first wife[556]. m (before 1066) as his first wife, ROBERT Comte de Mortain, son of HERLUIN Vicomte de Contéville & his first wife Herlève --- (after 1038-8 Dec after [1087/91], bur abbaye de Grestain).

9. MABILE de Montgommery (-after 1132). Guillaume of Jumièges names “quinque filios et quatuor filias...Robertus et Hugo, Rogerius Pictavinus, Philippus et Arnulfus, Emma, Mathildis, Mabilia et Sibylla” as the children of “Willelmus Talavatius...filiam suam...Mabiliam” and “Rogerium de Monte-Gummeri”[557]. Orderic Vitalis names “Emma sanctimonialis et Almaniscarum abbatissa, Mathildis comitissa uxor...Rodberti Moritoliensium comitis, Mabilia conjux Hugonis de Novo-Castello et Sibylia uxor Rodberti filii Haimonis” as the four daughters of “Rogerius [de Monte-Gomerici]” and his first wife[558]. Orderic Vitalis records that “Hugo de Novocastello nepos et hæres Alberti Ribaldi...gener Rogerii comitis” married "Mabiliam sororem Roberti Belesmensis"[559]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Mabilla" daughter (presumably a mistake for wife) of "Rogerum de Montgommeri" and her daughter "alteram Mabillam uxorem Gervasii" and the latter's son "Hugo de Castro novo" whose proposed marriage with the daughter of Henry I King of England was opposed by "Yvo Carnetensis episcopus" on the grounds of consanguinity, his ancestry being explained by Alberic[560]. "Domna Mabilia uxor domni Gervasii de Novo Castello" donated property to Chartres Saint-Père by charter dated to [1101/29][561]. "Hugo Castrinovi dominus" confirmed donations to the monastery of Saint-Vincent, with the consent of "uxore mea Alberedi et matre mea senior iam detenta Mabilia et filiis meis Hugone, Gervasio et Galeranno", by charter dated 1132[562]. m GERVAISE Seigneur de Châteauneuf-en-Thimerais, son of ---. "Gervasius miles" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Martin des Champs with the consent of "Mabilia uxor sua et Hugone primogenito suo" by charter dated [1106/09][563]. "Gervasius et uxor eius Mabilia" donated property to Chartres Saint-Père by charter dated 1107 with the consent of "filiis eorum Hugone, Petro, Gervasio, Guascone et filia Mabilia"[564].

10. SIBYLLE de Montgommery . Guillaume of Jumièges names “quinque filios et quatuor filias...Robertus et Hugo, Rogerius Pictavinus, Philippus et Arnulfus, Emma, Mathildis, Mabilia et Sibylla” as the children of “Willelmus Talavatius...filiam suam...Mabiliam” and “Rogerium de Monte-Gummeri”[565]. Orderic Vitalis names “Emma sanctimonialis et Almaniscarum abbatissa, Mathildis comitissa uxor...Rodberti Moritoliensium comitis, Mabilia conjux Hugonis de Novo-Castello et Sibylia uxor Rodberti filii Haimonis” as the four daughters of “Rogerius [de Monte-Gomerici]” and his first wife[566], recording in a later passage the marriage of “Rodberto...Haimonis filio” and “Sibiliam Rogerii comitis filiam” (although a conclusion about the dating of the event cannot be drawn from the context of the wording)[567]. The Chronica de Fundatoribus et Fundatione of Tewkesbury Abbey records that ”Robertum filium Haymonis, dominum de Astramervilla in Normannia” married “Sibillam sororem Roberti de Belismo, comitis Salopiæ”[568]. The primary source which confirms her second marriage has not yet been identified. m firstly ROBERT FitzHamon Lord of Glamorgan, son of HAMON & his wife --- (-Newbury Mar 1107). m secondly JEAN Sire de Raimes, son of ---.

Earl Roger & his second wife had one child:

11. EVERARD de Montgommery (-before [1135/36]). Orderic Vitalis records that, after the death of his first wife, “Rogerius [de Monte-Gomerici]” married secondly “Adelaisam Ebrardi de Pusacio...filiam”, by whom he had “unum...filium...Ebrardum...inter regales capellanos usque hodie...in aula Guillelmi et Henrici, Angliæ regum” for about 26 years[569].

Earl Roger had one [Illegitimate] son by an unknown mistress:

12. HUGUES de Montgommery . He witnessed a writ of King Henry I as brother of Robert de Bellême[570]. It is assumed that he was illegitimate as it would be unusual for him to bear the same first name as an older full brother, although there are isolated examples of this practice in other families. An alternative possibility is that his name was incorrectly recorded in the writ and that he is in fact the same person as one of Robert's other surviving brothers.

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Roger de Montgomerie (died 1094), also known as Roger the Great de Montgomery, was the first Earl of Shrewsbury. His father was Roger de Montgomery, seigneur of Montgomery, and was a relative, probably a grandnephew, of the Duchess Gunnor, wife of Duke Richard I of Normandy. The elder Roger had large holdings in central Normandy, chiefly in the valley of the Dives, which the younger Roger inherited.

Roger was one of William the Conqueror's principal counsellors. He may not have fought in the initial invasion of England in 1066, instead staying behind to help govern Normandy. According to Wace’s Roman de Rou, however, he commanded the Norman right flank at Hastings, returning to Normandy with King William in 1067. Afterwards he was entrusted with land in two places critical for the defence of England, receiving the Rape of Arundel at the end of 1067 (or in early 1068), and in November 1071 he was created Earl of Shrewsbury; a few historians believe that while he received the Shropshire territories in 1071 he was not created Earl until a few years later.

Roger was thus one of the half dozen greatest magnates in England during William the Conqueror's reign. William gave Earl Roger nearly all of what is now the county of West Sussex, which at the time of the Domesday Survey was the Rape of Arundel. The Rape of Arundel was eventually split into two rapes, one continuing with the name Rape of Arundel and the other became the Rape of Chichester. Besides the 83 manors in Sussex, his possessions also included seven-eighths of Shropshire which was associated with the earldom of Shrewsbury, he had estates in Surrey (4 manors), Hampshire (9 manors), Wiltshire (3 manors), Middlesex (8 manors), Gloucestershire (1 manor), Worcestershire (2 manors), Cambridgeshire (8 manors), Warwickshire (11 manors) and Staffordshire (30 manors). The income from Roger’s estates would amount to about £2000 per year, in 1086 the landed wealth for England was around £72,000, so it would have represented almost 3% of the nation’s GDP.

After William I's death in 1087, Roger joined with other rebels to overthrow the newly crowned King William II in the Rebellion of 1088. However, William was able to convince Roger to abandon the rebellion and side with him. This worked out favourably for Roger, as the rebels were beaten and lost their land holdings in England.

Roger first married Mabel de Bellême, who was heiress to a large territory straddling the border between Normandy and Maine. The medieval chronicler Orderic Vitalis paints a picture of Mabel of Bellême being a scheming and cruel woman. She was murdered by Hugh Bunel and his brothers, who in December 1077? rode into her castle of Bures-sur-Dive and cut off her head as she lay in bed. Their motive for the murder was that Mabel had deprived them of their paternal inheritance. Roger and Mabel had 10 children:

Robert de Bellême, Count of Alençon in 1082, he succeeded his younger brother Hugh as 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury. He married Agnes, Countess of Ponthieu and died in 1131.
Hugh of Montgomery, 2nd Earl of Shrewsbury, died without issue 1098.
Roger the Poitevin, Vicomte d'Hiemois, married Adelmode de la Marche.
Philip of Montgomery.
Arnulf of Montgomery, married Lafracota daughter of Muirchertach Ua Briain.
Sibyl of Montgomory, she married Robert Fitzhamon, Lord of Creully.
Emma, abbess of Almenchêches.
Matilda (Maud) of Montgomery, she married Robert, Count of Mortain and died c. 1085.
Mabel of Montgomery, she married Hugh de Châteauneuf.
Roger of Montgomery, died young.
Roger then married Adelaide de Le Puiset, by whom he had one son, Everard, who entered the Church.

After his death, Roger's estates were divided. The eldest surviving son, Robert, received the bulk of the Norman estates (as well as his mother's estates); the next son, Hugh, received the bulk of the English estates and the Earldom of Shrewsbury. After Hugh's death the elder son Robert inherited the earldom.

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Roger, Earl of Shrewsbury MONTGOMERY

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Roger, Earl of Shrewsbury MONTGOMERY had one son and two daughters with Mabel de Talvis. He died on July 27, 1094.

Birth of Son

His son Robert of Belleme, 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury was born in 1052.

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Robert of Belleme, 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury MONTGOMERY

1052–1130

1052

2 Dec

1079

Death of Wife

His wife Mabel de passed away on December 2, 1079.

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Mabel de Talvis

–1079

2 DEC 1079

27 Jul

1094

Death

Roger, Earl of Shrewsbury MONTGOMERY died on July 27, 1094.

27 JUL 1094

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Earl of Arundel & Shrewsbury, Governor of Normandy
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Roger de Montgomery II, Earl of Arundel and Shrewsbury, who was known as "The Great Earl". He commanded the vanguard of the Norman army that invaded England under his cousin William the Conqueror at the battle of Hastings in 1066. He died August 1, 1095, and is buried in Shrewsbury Abbey, which church he founded. Roger II bore may titles: In England he was Earl of Arundel, Chichester, Shrewsbury, Marcia and Montgomery, also Earl of Sussex and Earl of Salon. Roger was married twice: first to Princess Mabile de Bellem, daughter of Guillaume Talvas, Prince de Belleme. Mabile was a remarkable woman. While her husband was with the invasion of England, she led the armies in Normandy and was beheaded by assassins in December 1082. After Mabile's death Roger lived for a time in Normandy where he married Adelaide de Puiset and returned to England.

"Origin and History of the Montgomerys" by B.G. Montgomery of Sweden.

The question whether Roger II de Montgomery, Earl of Arundel and Shrewsbury, was the son or the grandson of the elder Roger has been the subject of much unnecessary controversy. With this question has been combined another: whether it was the elder Roger or his son Hugo who was married to Josceline, niece of Gunnor, Duchess of Normandy.

The cause of all this discussion is the following statement by William of Jumieges (Vol. VIII, ch. 35): 'Rogerius Comes, filius Hugonis de Monte Gomerici ... natus est ex quadam neptium Gunnoris comitissae, scilicet ex Joscelina, filia Weviae.' Robert of Caen, Benoit and Francisque Michel have given the same pedigree.

From his own words in the third Charter of Troarn we know, however, that Roger II was the son of Roger I. This statement reads: 'Ego Rogerius, ex Normannis Normannus, magni autem Rogerii filius ' (Cartulary of Troarn, fol. I). After the discovery of this charter the question was settled.

That Josceline was married to Roger I and mother of Roger 11 is clear from the above statement when compared with the pedigree given by Ives, Bishop of Chartres, in a letter to Henry I. He writes: 'Gonnora et Senfria sorores fuerunt ... ex Senfria excivit Joscelina, ex Joscelina, Rogerius -de Monte Gummeri, ex Rogerio, Mabilia. soror Roberti Bellimensis' (Migne, Patrologia latina, CLXII, 261), This pedigree also informs us that Josceline was the daughter of Senfrie, Gunnor's eldest sister, and not of Wevie as stated by William of Jumieges.

Roger I had by Josceline five sons: Hugo, Robert, William, Roger and Gilbert. William, we know with certainty, was killed during the succession war after the death of Robert II. Hugo and Robert probably met with the same fate. In any case, they seem to have been dead in 1050 when Roger inherited the feudal domains. That Hugo was older than Roger is proved by the fact that he signed an endowment charter of Jumieges together with his father. Under his signature was written 'Signuin Hugonis filii ejus'(Rotuli Scacc. Normanniae, I, 73). Gilbert was poisoned in 1063 by Mabile de Belleme (Ordericus Vitalis, II, 8 I, 106-7).

The first time we meet Roger II de Montgomery is during the siege of Domfront in 1052. Geoffrey Martel, Count of Anjou, had attacked the Duke and by means of treachery come into possession of the strongly fortified castle of Domfront. The Norman army raised in Hienois was commanded by Roger de Montgomery, William of Breteuil, the son of Osbern, and William of Talou, Count d'Arques, the son of Richard II. The Duke decided to seize Domfront, but the garrison left by Martel put up a strong defence and the siege was making slow progress. Meanwhile the Duke and his companions-in-arms made merry by hawking in the Domfront grounds.

One day a report reached the Duke that the Count of Anjou was approaching with a strong army. Now the Duke suddenly found himself between two fires, since the strong garrison might at any moment venture a sally. He decided immediately to raise the siege and to attack Martel as far as possible from Domfront. By forced marches the Norman army hastened in the direction of the enemy, while Roger de Montgomery and William of Breteuil were sent in advance to reconnoitre the enemy's movements. Approaching his advanced posts they were met by an officer followed by a horn-blower. He informed them that the Count of Anjou intended to attack the Duke the following day, and described the horse he would-ride in the battle, his armour and arms. The object of giving this information was apparently to inspire Ins enemy with fear, but Roger simply declared that the Duke would soon be there and intended to lead the attack himself.

Martel rose early the following morning, drank a wine-soup and put on his armour. Hearing that the Duke's army was quite close, he drew the conclusion that Domfront had fallen, and fearing to meet his dangerous enemy alone he ordered retreat. This soon developed into a rout after some of his troops had been caught in an ambush laid by the Duke. Roger de Montgomery is described on this occasion as "young and very brave' (William of Malmesbury, ed. Saville, p. 96).

But Roger was also a man with a strong sense of spiritual values. In 1050 he founded the church of Troarn. His father had made an endowment for the support of twelve deacons, but he made provision for twelve monks.

Roger's own domains stretched from Hiemois almost to the sea. Besides the castles of Montgomery, Trun, Saint-Sylvin, Thuit and Montaigu-la-Brisette he owned the town of Bemay and the major part of the forests of Gouffem and Auge. Through his marriage to Mabile de Belleme, the daughter and heiress of Guillaume Talvas, Prince de Belleme, he more than doubled his domains, which covered almost one-third of all land in Normandy. Very probably his marriage was arranged by the Duke out of regard to the defence of the Norman frontier. Bellemois had an exposed position and always received the first blow when the Count of Anjou attacked Normandy. Moreover, the people in Bellemois were not altogether reliable. In this part of the country the Duke needed an experienced warrior who was equally a man with a strong will. Such a man was Roger, and he was therefore chosen as husband to the richest heiress in the Duchy. Through his marriage to Mabile de Belleme, Roger was tied to this restless comer of Normandy after the death of her father.

Mabile was no ordinary woman. Du Motey gives this portrait of her: 'His future wife was a young girl, quite small, with an exceptional " finesse d'esprit " and full of energy. She was cheerful, expressed herself with great ease and made her decisions boldly. These qualities have been recognized even by a bitter slanderer (Ordericus Vitalis), who does not hesitate to darken the picture by calling her cruel and inclined to do evil' (Origine de la Normandie, Paris, 1920, p. 219). She was undoubtedly a great and fascinating personality.

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Mabile 'de Belleme only went for short visits to her husband in England. The life of intrigue and fighting which she led in her own country suited her nature much better than the comparative quiet of England where, owing to the judicious policy of William and Earl Roger, order reigned. Before she left England Mabile followed her husband's example by making big endowments to the Church.

Early in 1082 Robert Courte-Heuse started on a combined tour of study and propaganda through France, Flanders, Duitsland and other countries, visiting their greater courts on the way. To them he complained about the harshness of his father and applied for subsidies. To the great regret of his mother, Robert de Belleme accompanied the Prince on this pitiful journey. Roger was a good husband, and to console his wife he visited Normandy in June that year, but his many duties in England compelled him to return after only a short stay with her.

One day in December he received the news that Mabile had been assassinated-beheaded in her bedchamber. The murderers were four officers suspected of treason. Roger's sorrow and indignation

were boundless, and the King deeply regretted his best and most reliable supporter in Normandy. Big rewards were promised to those who could capture the murderers dead or alive. They were chased over practically the whole continent, but left no trace. One of them was found in the Orient during the first crusade, sixteen years later. He had sought refuge amongst the Mussulmans.

After the death of Mabile Roger immediately went to Normandy, where he remained for several years. During this time he married again. His wife was Adelaide de Puiset, whose character was the very opposite to that of Mabile. While Mabile was born to intrigue and to lead out troops to battle, Adelaide spent most of her time at home embroidering altar-cloths or arranging church festivals. Which of his wives was nearest his heart is difficult to tell. Mabile was the love of his youth, and no doubt he admired her most. But the sweet and gentle Adelaide was the comfort and companion of his old age. Roger's sons by Mabile were:

(1) Robert, Prince of Bellbne, Count of Alengon and Ponthieu.

(2) Hugh, Earl of Shrewsbury.

(3) Roger 'Pictavinus.' Earl of Lancaster, Count of La Marche.

(4) Philip 'Grammaticus, crusader.

(5) Arnulf 'Cimbricus,' Earl of Pembroke.

His daughters were:

(1) Emma, Abbess of Almen6ches.

(2) Mathilde, married to Robert, Earl of Morton, half-brother of William the Conqueror.

(3) Mabile, married to Hugo I de Chiteauneuf.

(4) Sibylle, married to Robert Fitzhamon, Earl of Gloucester and Bristol.

Adelaide bore him one son, Everard, chaplain to the kings William Rufus and Henry I.

During his stay in Normandy Roger persuaded his son Robert to return home, and according to the wish of Mabile and with royal consent arranged his marriage with Agnes de Ponthieu, daughter and heiress of Guy, Count of Ponthieu, whose lands had the King of France as feoffor. The Counts of Ponthieu were descended from Angilbert, who married Bertha, daughter of Charlemagne. After his marriage Robert settled at Belleme, where he took over his mother's role as defender of Normandy's southern frontier. He also was destined to play an important but tragic part in the history of his country. We shall deal with his career in the following chapter.

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Since wealth means power, the influence of the Church, over the government of the country in temporal matters steadily increased. This was, as we have seen, one of the objects of Roger's policy.

Foremost among all the churches Roger built was Shrewsbury Abbey. To this church was attached a monastery of the Benedictine Order which was recruited chiefly from Norman monks. Roger's own chaplain Odelerius inspired him to the endowment. (See note) For the maintenance of Shrewsbury Abbey he donated all the suburbs east of Shrewsbury and issued a prochanation that onetenth of all game killed in Shropshire should accrue to the Church.

The tragic death of William the Conqueror in 1087 was a hard blow to Roger. In him he lost his most reliable friend. But not only this: the death of the great chief loosened the bonds between England and Normandy and both countries became scenes of sanguinary strife between his sons. The old Earl was dragged, against his will, into a fraternal war which made a sad conclusion of his long life of achievement.

William died in Normandy while Roger was still in England. The King had entered into negotiations with Philip I of France concerning his claim to the county of Vexin, a disputed territory which Henry I of France had once handed over to Robert, Duke of Normandy, but had taken back during William's minority. The Conqueror suffered from excessive stoutness, due to disease, and had to go through a treatment. The French King, a sardonic man, made some biting references to his stoutness, which put William, who was sensitive on this point, into such a rage that he immediately declared war on France, and marched straight for Paris. Things

Note: In this connection it may be mentioned that his son, Ordericus Vitalis, became one of the most deadly enemies of Roger's family, a man who used his great skill and karning to blacken them before history. Much of what he has written is stamped with the spirit of revenge and personal animosity. It gives a quite unjust version of the lives and deeds of Robert de Belleme and of his great mother Mabile.

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