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Bron 1

Roepnaam is Adele.
Zij is geboren op 13 februari 1085 in ValoisOise
Picardie France.
Ze werd gedoopt.
Alternatief: Ze werd gedoopt in het jaar 1131.
Alternatief: Ze werd gedoopt in het jaar 1131.
Alternatief: Ze werd gedoopt in het jaar 1131.
Alternatief: Ze werd gedoopt in het jaar 1131.
Alternatief: Ze werd gedoopt in het jaar 1131.
Alternatief: Ze werd gedoopt in het jaar 1131.
Alternatief: Ze werd gedoopt in het jaar 1131.
Alternatief: Ze werd gedoopt in het jaar 1131.
Alternatief: Ze werd gedoopt in het jaar 1131.
Alternatief: Ze werd gedoopt in het jaar 1131.
Alternatief: Ze werd gedoopt in het jaar 1131.
Alternatief: Ze werd gedoopt in het jaar 1131.
Alternatief: Ze werd gedoopt in het jaar 1131.
Alternatief: Ze werd gedoopt in het jaar 1131.
Alternatief: Ze werd gedoopt in het jaar 1131.
Alternatief: Ze werd gedoopt in het jaar 1131.
Gedoopt (op 8-jarige leeftijd of later) door het priesterschapsgezag van de LDS-kerk.
Alternatief: Gedoopt (op 8-jarige leeftijd of later) door het priesterschapsgezag van de LDS-kerk in SUBMITTED.
Alternatief: Gedoopt (op 8-jarige leeftijd of later) door het priesterschapsgezag van de LDS-kerk.
Alternatief: Gedoopt (op 8-jarige leeftijd of later) door het priesterschapsgezag van de LDS-kerk op 7 november 1921 in SLAKE.
Alternatief: Gedoopt (op 8-jarige leeftijd of later) door het priesterschapsgezag van de LDS-kerk op 7 november 1921 in SL.
Alternatief: Gedoopt (op 8-jarige leeftijd of later) door het priesterschapsgezag van de LDS-kerk op 7 november 1921.
Alternatief: Gedoopt (op 8-jarige leeftijd of later) door het priesterschapsgezag van de LDS-kerk op 7 november 1921 in SLAKE.
Alternatief: Gedoopt (op 8-jarige leeftijd of later) door het priesterschapsgezag van de LDS-kerk op 7 november 1921.
Alternatief: Gedoopt (op 8-jarige leeftijd of later) door het priesterschapsgezag van de LDS-kerk op 7 november 1921.
Alternatief: Gedoopt (op 8-jarige leeftijd of later) door het priesterschapsgezag van de LDS-kerk op 7 november 1921.
Alternatief: Gedoopt (op 8-jarige leeftijd of later) door het priesterschapsgezag van de LDS-kerk op 7 november 1921.
Alternatief: Gedoopt (op 8-jarige leeftijd of later) door het priesterschapsgezag van de LDS-kerk op 7 november 1921.
Alternatief: Gedoopt (op 8-jarige leeftijd of later) door het priesterschapsgezag van de LDS-kerk op 7 november 1921.
Alternatief: Gedoopt (op 8-jarige leeftijd of later) door het priesterschapsgezag van de LDS-kerk op 7 november 1921.
Alternatief: Gedoopt (op 8-jarige leeftijd of later) door het priesterschapsgezag van de LDS-kerk op 7 november 1921.
Alternatief: Gedoopt (op 8-jarige leeftijd of later) door het priesterschapsgezag van de LDS-kerk op 7 november 1921.
Alternatief: Gedoopt (op 8-jarige leeftijd of later) door het priesterschapsgezag van de LDS-kerk op 7 november 1921 in Salt Lake City Utah Temple, Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah, Verenigde Staten.
Alternatief: Gedoopt (op 8-jarige leeftijd of later) door het priesterschapsgezag van de LDS-kerk op 7 november 1921 in Salt Lake City Utah Temple, Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah, Verenigde Staten.
Alternatief: Gedoopt (op 8-jarige leeftijd of later) door het priesterschapsgezag van de LDS-kerk op 7 november 1921.
Alternatief: Gedoopt (op 8-jarige leeftijd of later) door het priesterschapsgezag van de LDS-kerk op 7 november 1921 in Salt Lake City Utah Temple, Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah, Verenigde Staten.
Alternatief: Gedoopt (op 8-jarige leeftijd of later) door het priesterschapsgezag van de LDS-kerk op 7 november 1921 in Salt Lake City Utah Temple, Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah, Verenigde Staten.
Alternatief: Gedoopt (op 8-jarige leeftijd of later) door het priesterschapsgezag van de LDS-kerk op 7 november 1921 in Salt Lake City Utah Temple, Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah, Verenigde Staten.
Alternatief: Gedoopt (op 8-jarige leeftijd of later) door het priesterschapsgezag van de LDS-kerk op 7 november 1921.
Alternatief: Gedoopt (op 8-jarige leeftijd of later) door het priesterschapsgezag van de LDS-kerk op 7 november 1921.
Alternatief: Gedoopt (op 8-jarige leeftijd of later) door het priesterschapsgezag van de LDS-kerk op 7 november 1921 in Salt Lake City Utah Temple, Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah, Verenigde Staten.
Alternatief: Gedoopt (op 8-jarige leeftijd of later) door het priesterschapsgezag van de LDS-kerk op 7 november 1921 in Salt Lake City Utah Temple, Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah, Verenigde Staten.
Alternatief: Gedoopt (op 8-jarige leeftijd of later) door het priesterschapsgezag van de LDS-kerk op 7 november 1921 in SLAKE.
Alternatief: Gedoopt (op 8-jarige leeftijd of later) door het priesterschapsgezag van de LDS-kerk op 17 september 1992.
Alternatief: Gedoopt (op 8-jarige leeftijd of later) door het priesterschapsgezag van de LDS-kerk op 17 september 1992.
Alternatief: Gedoopt (op 8-jarige leeftijd of later) door het priesterschapsgezag van de LDS-kerk op 17 september 1992 in PROVO.
Alternatief: Gedoopt (op 8-jarige leeftijd of later) door het priesterschapsgezag van de LDS-kerk op 17 september 1992.
Beroepen:

Countess of SurreyLewes
Surrey United Kingdom.
in het jaar 1096 Comtesse de Leicester or Countess of LeicesterLeicester
Leicestershire United Kingdom.

Woonachtig: France.
Zij is overleden op 13 februari 1131 in Prieuré Saint-Nicaise de Meulan, zij was toen 46 jaar oudDiocèse de Chartres
France.
Zij is begraven op 17 februari 1131 in Priory of LewesLewes
England.
Een kind van Hugues 'Magnus' Capet en Adèle de Vermandois

Gezin van Elisabeth "Adele" de Vermandois Countess of Leicestershire & Surrey

(1) Zij is getrouwd met Robert de Beaumont-le-Roger.

Zij zijn getrouwd rond 1096France.

Kind(eren):

Waleran IV de Beaumont 1104-1166
Robert de Beaumont 1104-1168

(2) Zij is getrouwd met William de Warenne.

Zij zijn getrouwd juni 1118, zij was toen 33 jaar oudFrance.

Kind(eren):

Ada de Warenne 1120-1178

Notities over Elisabeth "Adele" de Vermandois Countess of Leicestershire & Surrey

GIVN Isabel Elizabeth de
SURN Vermandois
AFN 8XJB-1D
DATE 9 SEP 2000
TIME 13:15:50

Source #1: Frederick Lewis Weis, "Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America Before 1700" - Seventh Edition, with additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr., assisted by Davis Faris (Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co, 1995), pp. 52; 82; 87: Countess of Leicester (Complete Peerage VII, 520, 523-26, 737; X, 351) - second husband William de Warenne; see for another ancestor.

Source #2: Marcellus Donald Alexander R. von Redlich, "Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants" (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co, Inc, 1988 reprint of 1941 edition),
p. 125; 133-134

Source #3: From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Elizabeth de Vermandois, or Elisabeth or Isabel de Vermandois (1085? – 13 February 1130/1 17 February 1131), is a fascinating figure about whose descendants and ancestry much is known and about whose character and life relatively little is known. She was twice married to influential Anglo-Norman magnates, and had several children (among whose descendants are numbered many kings and some queens of England and Scotland). Her Capetian and Carolingian ancestry was a source of much pride for some of these descendants (who included these arms as quarterings in their coats-of-arms[1]). However, the lady herself led a somewhat controversial life.
Family
Elizabeth de Vermandois was the third daughter of Hugh of Vermandois and Adele of Vermandois. Her paternal grandparents were Henry I of France and Anne of Kiev. Her maternal grandparents were Herbert IV of Vermandois and Adele of Valois.

Her mother was the heiress of the county of Vermandois, and descendant of a junior patrilineal line of descent from Charlemagne. The first Count of Vermandois was Pepin of Vermandois. He was a son of Bernard of Italy, grandson of Pippin of Italy and great-grandson of Charlemagne and Hildegard.

As such, Elizabeth had distinguished ancestry and connections. Her father was a younger brother of Philip I of France and her mother was among the last Carolingians. She was also distantly related to the Kings of England, the Dukes of Normandy, the Counts of Flanders and through her Carolingian ancestors to practically every major nobleman in Western Europe.

Countess of Leicester
In 1096, while under age (and probably aged 9 or 11), Elizabeth married Robert de Meulan, 1st Earl of Leicester. Meulan was over 35 years her senior, which was an unusual age difference even for this time period. He was a nobleman of some significance in France, having inherited lands from his maternal uncle Henry, Count of Meulan, and had fought bravely and with distinction at his first battle, the Battle of Hastings in 1066 then aged only 16. His parents Roger de Beaumont, Lord of Beaumont-le-Roger and Pont-Audemar and Adeline of Meulan, heiress of Meulan had died long before; Roger had been a kinsman and close associate of William the Conqueror. Meulan had inherited lands in Normandy after his father died circa 1089, and had also been given lands in the Kingdom of England after his participation in the Norman conquest of England. However, at the time of the marriage, he held no earldom in England while his younger brother was already styled Henry de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Warwick.

Planche states that the bride (Elizabeth) agreed willingly to the marriage, although this means little in the context. Despite the immense age difference, this was a good marriage for its times. Meulan was a respected advisor to three reigning monarchs: William II of England), Robert Curthose of Normandy and Philip I of France.

According to Middle Ages custom, brides were often betrothed young - 8 being the legal age for betrothal and 12 for marriage (for women). The young betrothed wife would often go to her husband's castle to be raised by his parents or other relatives and to learn the customs and ways of her husband's family. The actual wedding would not take place until much later. Some genealogists speculate that the usual age at which a noble bride could expect the marriage to be consummated would be 14. This is consistent with the date of birth of Elizabeth's first child Emma in 1102 when she would be about 15 to 17.

The marriage produced several children, including most notably two sons who were twins (born 1104), and thus remarkable in both surviving and both becoming important noblemen. They are better known to historians of this period as the Beaumont twins, or as Waleran de Beaumont, Count of Meulan and his younger twin Robert Bossu (the Humpback) or Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester. (Readers of Ellis Peters' Cadfael historical mystery series will find both twins mentioned frequently). Another notable child of this marriage was Elisabeth or Isabel de Beaumont, one of the youngest mistresses of Henry I of England and later mother (by her first marriage) of Richard Strongbow.

Some contemporaries were surprised that the aging Count of Meulan (b circa 1049/1050) was able to father so many children, given how busy he was with turmoil in England and Normandy from 1102 to 1110 (or later) and acting as Henry I's unofficial minister. One explanation is offered below; another might simply be an indication of his good health and energy (expended mostly in dashing from one troublespot in Normandy to England back to Normandy).

William II of England died suddenly in a purported hunting accident, and was hastily succeeded not by the expected heir but by the youngest brother Henry. This seizure of the throne led to an abortive invasion by the older brother Duke Robert of Normandy, followed by an uneasy truce between the brothers, followed by trouble in both England and Normandy for some time (stirred up by Duke Robert, and by an exiled nobleman Robert of Bellême, 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury). Finally, Henry invaded Normandy and in the Battle of Tinchebray (September 28, 1106) destroyed organized opposition to his takeover of Normandy and imprisoned his ineffectual older brother for his lifetime. Meulan and his brother Warwick were apparently supporters of Henry during this entire period, and Meulan was rewarded with the earldom of Leicester in 1103. By 1107, Meulan was in possession of substantial lands in three domains. In 1111, he was able to revenge himself on the attack on his seat Meulan by Louis VI of France. He avenged himself by harrying Paris.

[edit] Countess of Surrey
Elizabeth, Countess of Meulan apparently tired of her aging husband at some point during the marriage. The historian Planche says (1874) that the Countess was seduced by or fell in love with a younger nobleman, William de Warenne (ca 1071 - 11 May 1138) himself the thwarted suitor of Edith of Scotland, Queen consort of Henry I of England. Warenne, whose mother Gundreda has been alleged (in modern times) to be the Conqueror's daughter and stepdaughter by some genealogists, was said to want a royal bride, and Elizabeth fitted his requirements, even though she was also another man's wife.

In 1115, the Countess was apparently carried off or abducted by Warenne, which abduction apparently concealed a long-standing affair. There was some kind of separation or divorce between Meulan and his wife, which however did not permit her to marry her lover. The elderly Count of Meulan died, supposedly of chagrin and mortification in being thus publicly humiliated, in the Abbey of Preaux, Normandy on 5 June 1118, leaving his properties to his two elder sons whom he had carefully educated.

Elizabeth married, secondly, William de Warenne, 2nd Earl of Surrey, sometime after the death of her first husband. By him, it is alleged, she already had several children (all born during her marriage to Meulan). She also had at least one daughter born while she was living out of wedlock with Warenne (1115-1118). It is unclear whether this daughter was Ada de Warenne, wife of Henry of Scotland or Gundrede de Warenne, wife of Roger de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Warwick (her half-brothers' first cousin).

The later life of Elizabeth de Vermandois is not known. Her sons by her first marriage appear to have a good relationship with their half-brother William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey although on opposing sides for much of the wars between Stephen and Matilda. Her eldest son Waleran, Count of Meulan was active in supporting the disinherited heir William Clito, son of Robert Curthose until captured by King Henry. He was not released until Clito's death without issue in 1128. Her second son Robert inherited his father's English estates and the earldom of Leicester and married the heiress of the Fitzosbern counts of Breteuil. Her daughter Isabel however became a king's concubine or mistress at a young age; it is unclear whether her mother's own life or her eldest brother's political and personal travails in this period played any part in this decision. Before her mother died, Isabel had become wife of Gilbert de Clare, later (1147) Earl of Pembroke, so had adopted a more conventional life like her mother.

There are no known biographies of Elizabeth de Vermandois, nor any known fictional treatments of her life.

[edit] Children and Descendants
During her first marriage (1096-1115) to Robert de Beaumont, Count of Meulan (d 5 June 1118), Elizabeth had 3 sons (including twin elder sons) and 6 daughters:

Emma de Beaumont (born 1102) whose fate is unknown. She was betrothed as an infant to Aumari, nephew of William, Count of Evreux, but the marriage never took place. She probably died young, or entered a convent.[
Waleran IV de Beaumont, Count of Meulan (born 1104) married and left issue.
Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester (born 1104) married and left issue (his granddaughter Hawisa or Isabella of Gloucester was the unfortunate first wife of King John.
Hugh de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Bedford (born c. 1106) lost his earldom, left issue
Adeline de Beaumont (b ca 1107), married two times:
Hugh IV, 4th Lord of Montfort-sur-Risle to whom she was married firstly by her brother Waleran;
Richard de Granville of Bideford (d. 1147)
Aubree (or Alberee) de Beaumont (b ca 1109), married by her brother Waleran to Hugh II of Châteauneuf-en-Thimerais (possibly son of Hugh I of Châteauneuf-en-Thimerais and his wife Mabille de Montgomerie, 2nd daughter of Roger de Montgomerie, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury)
Matilda de Beaumont (b ca 1111), married by her brother Waleran to William Lovel, or Louvel or Lupel, son of Ascelin Goel, Lord of Ivri.
Isabel de Beaumont (b ca 1113), a mistress of King Henry I of England. Married two times:
Gilbert de Clare, 1st Earl of Pembroke by whom she was mother of Richard Strongbow, who invaded Ireland 1170;
Hervé de Montmorency, Constable of Ireland (this marriage is not conclusively proven)
Elizabeth de Beaumont also had a daughter by King Henry before her first marriage.

Agnes de Beaumont (b ca 1115), married Guillaume, Sire de Say.
In her second marriage, to William de Warenne, Elizabeth had three sons and two daughters (for a total of fourteen children - nine during her first marriage, and five during her second):

William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey and Warenne (b. 1119 dspm 1147) whose daughter Isabelle de Warenne, Countess of Surrey married 1stly
William, Count of Boulogne (dsp), yr son of King Stephen, and married 2ndly
Hamelin Plantagenet, an illegitimate half-brother of King Henry II of England by whom she had issue, later earls of Surrey and Warenne.
Reginald de Warenne, who inherited his father's property in upper Normandy. He married Adeline, daughter of William, lord of Wormgay in Norfolk, by whom he had a son William, whose daughter and sole heir Beatrice married first Dodo, lord Bardolf, and secondly Hubert de Burgh;
Ralph de Warenne (dsp)
Gundrada de Warenne, who married first
Roger de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Warwick and had issue; second (as his 2nd wife)
William de Warenne, 1st Earl of Warenne and Surrey and is most remembered for expelling king Stephen's garrison from Warwick Castle; and they had issue.
Ada de Warenne (d. ca. 1178), who married Henry of Scotland, 3rd Earl of Huntingdon, younger son of King David I of Scotland, Earl of Huntingdon by his marriage to the heiress Matilda or Maud, 2nd Countess of Huntingdon (herself great-niece of William I of England) and had issue. They were parents to Malcolm IV of Scotland and William I of Scotland and their youngest son became David of Scotland, 8th Earl of Huntingdon. All Kings of Scotland since 1292 were the descedants of Huntingdon.
The second earl had married Isabella, daughter of Hugh, Count of Vermandois, widow of Robert de Beaumont, earl of Leicester. The arms of Warenne "checky or and azure" were adopted from the Vermandois coat after this marriage.

The original Vermandois arms were "checky or and sable" but there was no black tincture in early medieval heraldry until sable was discovered, being the crushed fur of this animal. A very deep indigo was used instead which faded into blue so the Vermandois arms becams "checky argent and or".

The Vermandois arms were inherited by the earls of Warenne and Surrey, the Newburgh earls of Warwick, the Beauchamp earls of Warwick and Worcester and the Clifford earls of Cumberland.

Name Prefix: Lady Name Suffix: Countess Of Leicester

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Daughter of Hugh, C. of Vermandois & Velois, son of Henry I King of France & Adelaide, Daughter of Herbert IV, Count of vermandois & Valois. Widow of Robert de Beaumont.

Elizabeth de Vermandois1 (F) d. 17 February 1131, #104653d. 18 Oct 1102 Aelis de Vermandois, Comtesse de Vermandois|b. c 1065 d. bt 1121 - 1123 |Henri I., Roi de France|b. Apr 1008d. 4 Aug 1060, Matilda of Duitsland, |d. b 1044 , Heribert V. de Vermandois, Comte de Vermandois et de Valois Adele de Crépi('Elizabeth de Vermandois|d. 17 Feb 1131
Elizabeth de Vermandois is the daughter of Hugh de Crépi, Comte de Vermandois et de Valois and Aelis de Vermandois, Comtesse de Vermandois She married Robert de Meulan, 1st Earl of Leicester , son of Roger de Beaumont, Seigneur de Portaudemer and Adeline de Meulan , in 1096.4 She married, secondly, William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey , son of William I de Warenne and Gundreda (?) , after 5 June 1118. She died on 17 February 1131. She was also known as Isabel de Vermandois. She was also known as Isabel de Crépi.2
Children of Elizabeth de Vermandois and Robert de Meulan, 1st Earl of Leicester
Hugh de Meulan, 1st and last Earl of Bedford Isabella of Meulan+ b. bt 1102 - 1107, d. a 1172 Waleran de Beaumont, 1st and last Earl of Worcester+ b. 1104, d. bt 9 Apr 1166 - 10 Apr 1166 Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester + b. 1104, d. 5 Apr 1168
Children of Elizabeth de Vermandois and William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey:
Ada de Warenne + d. c 1178 Isabella de Warenne + b. c 1136, d. 13 Jul 1199
Citations
Royal Genealogies Website, onlineHereinafter cited as Royal Genealogies Website.
[S6 ] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14 (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 2000), volume VII, page 526. Hereinafter cited as The Complete Peerage.
[S16 ] Jirí Louda and Michael MacLagan, Lines of Succession: Heraldry of the Royal Families of Europe, 2nd edition (London, U.K.: Little, Brown and Company, 1999), table 64. Hereinafter cited as Lines of Succession.
[S6 ] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume VII, page 523.

Elizabeth de Vermandois1 (F) d. 17 February 1131, #104653d. 18 Oct 1102|p10318.htm#i103173|Aelis de Vermandois, Comtesse de Vermandois|b. c 1065d. bt 1121 - 1123|p11359.htm#i113582|Henri I., Roi de France|b. Apr 1008d. 4 Aug 1060|p10310.htm#i103097|Matilda of Duitsland|d. b 1044|p10318.htm#i103175|Heribert V. de Vermandois, Comte de Vermandois et de Valois||p11359.htm#i113583|Adele de Crépi||p402.htm#i4018|');"Pedigree Last Edited=3 Sep 2004
Elizabeth de Vermandois is the daughter of Hugh de Crépi, Comte de Vermandois et de Valois and Aelis de Vermandois, Comtesse de Vermandois .2,3 She married Robert de Meulan, 1st Earl of Leicester , son of Roger de Beaumont, Seigneur de Portaudemer and Adeline de Meulan , in 1096.4 She married, secondly, William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey , son of William I de Warenne and Gundreda (?) , after 5 June 1118. She died on 17 February 1131. She was also known as Isabel de Vermandois. She was also known as Isabel de Crépi.2
Children of Elizabeth de Vermandois and Robert de Meulan, 1st Earl of Leicester :
Hugh de Meulan, 1st and last Earl of Bedford Isabella of Meulan+ b. bt 1102 - 1107, d. a 1172 Waleran de Beaumont, 1st and last Earl of Worcester + b. 1104, d. bt 9 Apr 1166 - 10 Apr 1166 Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester + b. 1104, d. 5 Apr 1168
Children of Elizabeth de Vermandois and William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey :
Ada de Warenne + d. c 1178 Isabella de Warenne + b. c 1136, d. 13 Jul 1199
Citations
[S106 ] Royal Genealogies Website (ROYAL92.GED), online . Hereinafter cited as Royal Genealogies Website.
[S6 ] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14 (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 2000), volume VII, page 526. Hereinafter cited as The Complete Peerage.
[S16 ] Jirí Louda and Michael MacLagan, Lines of Succession: Heraldry of the Royal Families of Europe, 2nd edition (London, U.K.: Little, Brown and Company, 1999), table 64. Hereinafter cited as Lines of Succession.
[S6 ] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume VII, page 523.

3rd Daughter

Elizabeth de Vermandois, or Elisabeth or Isabel de Vermandois (c. 1081–13 February 1131), is a fascinating figure about whose descendants and ancestry much is known and about whose character and life relatively little is known. She was twice married to influential Anglo-Norman magnates, and had several children (among whose descendants are numbered many kings and some queens of England and Scotland). Her Capetian and Carolingian ancestry was a source of much pride for some of these descendants (who included these arms as quarterings in their coats-of-arms[1]). However, the lady herself led a somewhat controversial life.
Contents

* 1 Family
* 2 Countess of Leicester
* 3 Countess of Surrey
* 4 Children and descendants
* 5 External links
* 6 See also

[edit] Family

Elizabeth de Vermandois was the third daughter of Hugh Magnus and Adele of Vermandois. Her paternal grandparents were Henry I of France and Anne of Kiev. Her maternal grandparents were Herbert IV of Vermandois and Adele of Vexin.

Her mother was the heiress of the county of Vermandois, and descendant of a junior patrilineal line of descent from Charlemagne. The first Count of Vermandois was Pepin of Vermandois. He was a son of Bernard of Italy, grandson of Pippin of Italy and great-grandson of Charlemagne and Hildegard.

As such, Elizabeth had distinguished ancestry and connections. Her father was a younger brother of Philip I of France and her mother was among the last Carolingians. She was also distantly related to the Kings of England, the Dukes of Normandy, the Counts of Flanders and through her Carolingian ancestors to practically every major nobleman in Western Europe.

[edit] Countess of Leicester

In 1096, while under age (and probably aged 9 or 11), Elizabeth married Robert de Meulan, 1st Earl of Leicester. Meulan was over 35 years her senior, which was an unusual age difference even for this time period. He was a nobleman of some significance in France, having inherited lands from his maternal uncle Henry, Count of Meulan, and had fought bravely and with distinction at his first battle, the Battle of Hastings in 1066 then aged only 16. His parents Roger de Beaumont, Lord of Beaumont-le-Roger and Pont-Audemar and Adeline of Meulan, heiress of Meulan had died long before; Roger had been a kinsman and close associate of William the Conqueror. Meulan had inherited lands in Normandy after his father died circa 1089, and had also been given lands in the Kingdom of England after his participation in the Norman conquest of England. However, at the time of the marriage, he held no earldom in England while his younger brother was already styled Henry de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Warwick.

Planche states that the bride (Elizabeth) agreed willingly to the marriage, although this means little in the context. Despite the immense age difference, this was a good marriage for its times. Meulan was a respected advisor to three reigning monarchs: William II of England), Robert Curthose of Normandy and Philip I of France.

According to Middle Ages custom, brides were often betrothed young - 8 being the legal age for betrothal and 12 for marriage (for women). The young betrothed wife would often go to her husband's castle to be raised by his parents or other relatives and to learn the customs and ways of her husband's family. The actual wedding would not take place until much later. Some genealogists speculate that the usual age at which a noble bride could expect the marriage to be consummated would be 14. This is consistent with the date of birth of Elizabeth's first child Emma in 1102 when she would be about 15 to 17.

The marriage produced several children, including most notably two sons who were twins (born 1104), and thus remarkable in both surviving and both becoming important noblemen. They are better known to historians of this period as the Beaumont twins, or as Waleran de Beaumont, Count of Meulan and his younger twin Robert Bossu (the Humpback) or Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester. (Readers of Ellis Peters' Cadfael historical mystery series will find both twins mentioned frequently). Another notable child of this marriage was Elisabeth or Isabel de Beaumont, one of the youngest mistresses of Henry I of England and later mother (by her first marriage) of Richard Strongbow.

Some contemporaries were surprised that the aging Count of Meulan (b circa 1049/1050) was able to father so many children, given how busy he was with turmoil in England and Normandy from 1102 to 1110 (or later) and acting as Henry I's unofficial minister. One explanation is offered below; another might simply be an indication of his good health and energy (expended mostly in dashing from one troublespot in Normandy to England back to Normandy).

William II of England died suddenly in a purported hunting accident, and was hastily succeeded not by the expected heir but by the youngest brother Henry. This seizure of the throne led to an abortive invasion by the older brother Duke Robert of Normandy, followed by an uneasy truce between the brothers, followed by trouble in both England and Normandy for some time (stirred up by Duke Robert, and by an exiled nobleman Robert of Bellême, 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury). Finally, Henry invaded Normandy and in the Battle of Tinchebray (September 28, 1106) destroyed organized opposition to his takeover of Normandy and imprisoned his ineffectual older brother for his lifetime. Meulan and his brother Warwick were apparently supporters of Henry during this entire period, and Meulan was rewarded with the earldom of Leicester in 1103. By 1107, Meulan was in possession of substantial lands in three domains. In 1111, he was able to revenge himself on the attack on his seat Meulan by Louis VI of France. He avenged himself by harrying Paris.

[edit] Countess of Surrey

Elizabeth, Countess of Meulan apparently tired of her aging husband at some point during the marriage. The historian Planche says (1874) that the Countess was seduced by or fell in love with a younger nobleman, William de Warenne (c. 1071-11 May 1138) himself the thwarted suitor of Edith of Scotland, Queen consort of Henry I of England. Warenne, whose mother Gundred has been alleged (in modern times) to be the Conqueror's daughter and stepdaughter by some genealogists, was said to want a royal bride, and Elizabeth fitted his requirements, even though she was also another man's wife.

In 1115, the Countess was apparently carried off or abducted by Warenne, which abduction apparently concealed a long-standing affair. There was some kind of separation or divorce between Meulan and his wife, which however did not permit her to marry her lover. The elderly Count of Meulan died, supposedly of chagrin and mortification in being thus publicly humiliated, in the Abbey of Preaux, Normandy on 5 June 1118, leaving his properties to his two elder sons whom he had carefully educated.

Elizabeth married, secondly, William de Warenne, 2nd Earl of Surrey, sometime after the death of her first husband. By him, it is alleged, she already had several children (all born during her marriage to Meulan). She also had at least one daughter born while she was living out of wedlock with Warenne (1115-1118). It is unclear whether this daughter was Ada de Warenne, wife of Henry of Scotland or Gundrede de Warenne, wife of Roger de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Warwick (her half-brothers' first cousin).

The later life of Elizabeth de Vermandois is not known. Her sons by her first marriage appear to have a good relationship with their half-brother William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey although on opposing sides for much of the wars between Stephen and Matilda. Her eldest son Waleran, Count of Meulan was active in supporting the disinherited heir William Clito, son of Robert Curthose until captured by King Henry. He was not released until Clito's death without issue in 1128. Her second son Robert inherited his father's English estates and the earldom of Leicester and married the heiress of the Fitzosbern counts of Breteuil. Her daughter Isabel however became a king's concubine or mistress at a young age; it is unclear whether her mother's own life or her eldest brother's political and personal travails in this period played any part in this decision. Before her mother died, Isabel had become wife of Gilbert de Clare, later (1147) Earl of Pembroke, so had adopted a more conventional life like her mother.

There are no known biographies of Elizabeth de Vermandois, nor any known fictional treatments of her life.

[edit] Children and descendants

During her first marriage (1096-1115) to Robert de Beaumont, Count of Meulan (d 5 June 1118), Elizabeth had 3 sons (including twin elder sons) and 6 daughters:

* Emma de Beaumont (born 1102) whose fate is unknown. She was betrothed as an infant to Aumari, nephew of William, Count of Evreux, but the marriage never took place. She probably died young, or entered a convent.[2]

* Waleran IV de Beaumont, Count of Meulan (born 1104) married and left issue.

* Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester (born 1104) married and left issue (his granddaughter Hawisa or Isabella of Gloucester was the unfortunate first wife of King John.

* Hugh de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Bedford (born c. 1106) lost his earldom, left issue

* Adeline de Beaumont (b ca 1107), married two times:
o Hugh IV, 4th Lord of Montfort-sur-Risle to whom she was married firstly by her brother Waleran;
o Richard de Granville of Bideford (d. 1147)

* Aubree (or Alberee) de Beaumont (b ca 1109), married by her brother Waleran to Hugh II of Châteauneuf-en-Thimerais (possibly son of Hugh I of Châteauneuf-en-Thimerais and his wife Mabille de Montgomerie, 2nd daughter of Roger de Montgomerie, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury)

* Maud de Beaumont (b ca 1111), married by her brother Waleran to William Lovel, or Louvel or Lupel, son of Ascelin Goel, Lord of Ivri.

* Isabel de Beaumont (b Aft. 1102), a mistress of King Henry I of England. Married two times:
o Gilbert de Clare, 1st Earl of Pembroke by whom she was mother of Richard Strongbow, who invaded Ireland 1170;
o Hervé de Montmorency, Constable of Ireland (this marriage is not conclusively proven)

In her second marriage, to William de Warenne, Elizabeth had three sons and two daughters (for a total of fourteen children - nine during her first marriage, and five during her second):

* William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey and Warenne (b. 1119 dspm 1147) whose daughter Isabelle de Warenne, Countess of Surrey married 1stly
o William, Count of Boulogne (dsp), yr son of King Stephen, and married 2ndly
o Hamelin Plantagenet, an illegitimate half-brother of King Henry II of England by whom she had issue, later earls of Surrey and Warenne.

* Reginald de Warenne, who inherited his father's property in upper Normandy. He married Adeline, daughter of William, lord of Wormgay in Norfolk, by whom he had a son William, whose daughter and sole heir Beatrice married first Dodo, lord Bardolf, and secondly Hubert de Burgh;

* Ralph de Warenne (dsp)

* Gundrada de Warenne, (Gundred) who married first
o Roger de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Warwick and had issue; second (as his 2nd wife)
o William de Warenne, 1st Earl of Warenne and Surrey and is most remembered for expelling king Stephen's garrison from Warwick Castle; and they had issue.

* Ada de Warenne (d. ca. 1178), who married Henry of Scotland, 3rd Earl of Huntingdon, younger son of King David I of Scotland, Earl of Huntingdon by his marriage to the heiress Matilda or Maud, 2nd Countess of Huntingdon (herself great-niece of William I of England) and had issue. They were parents to Malcolm IV of Scotland and William I of Scotland and their youngest son became David of Scotland, 8th Earl of Huntingdon. All Kings of Scotland since 1292 were the descendants of Huntingdon.

The second earl had married Isabella, daughter of Hugh, Count of Vermandois, widow of Robert de Beaumont, earl of Leicester. The arms of Warenne "checky or and azure" were adopted from the Vermandois coat after this marriage.

The original Vermandois arms were "checky or and sable" but there was no black tincture in early medieval heraldry until sable was discovered, being the crushed fur of this animal. A very deep indigo was used instead which faded into blue so the Vermandois arms becams "checky argent and or".

The Vermandois arms were inherited by the earls of Warenne and Surrey, the Newburgh earls of Warwick, the Beauchamp earls of Warwick and Worcester and the Clifford earls of Cumberland.

Basic Life Information

Isobel de Vermandois was the third daughter of Hugh Magnus and Adele of Vermandois. Her paternal grandparents were Henry I of France and Anne of Kiev. Her maternal grandparents were Herbert IV of Vermandois and Adele of Vexin.

Her mother was the heiress of the county of Vermandois, and descendant of a junior patrilineal line of descent from Charlemagne. The first Count of Vermandois was Pepin of Vermandois. He was a son of Bernard of Italy, grandson of Pippin of Italy and great-grandson of Charlemagne and Hildegard.

As such, Isobel had distinguished ancestry and connections. Her father was a younger brother of Philip I of France and her mother was among the last Carolingians. She was also distantly related to the Kings of England, the Dukes of Normandy, the Counts of Flanders and through her Carolingian ancestors to practically every major nobleman in Western Europe.

Countess of Leicester

In 1096, while under age (and probably aged 9 or 11), Elizabeth married Robert de Meulan, 1st Earl of Leicester. Meulan was over 35 years her senior, which was an unusual age difference even for this time period. He was a nobleman of some significance in France, having inherited lands from his maternal uncle Henry, Count of Meulan, and had fought bravely and with distinction at his first battle, the Battle of Hastings in 1066 then aged only 16. His parents Roger de Beaumont, Lord of Beaumont-le-Roger and Pont-Audemar and Adeline of Meulan, heiress of Meulan had died long before; Roger had been a kinsman and close associate of William the Conqueror. Meulan had inherited lands in Normandy after his father died circa 1089, and had also been given lands in the Kingdom of England after his participation in the Norman conquest of England. However, at the time of the marriage, he held no earldom in England while his younger brother was already styled Henry de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Warwick.

Planche states that the bride (Elizabeth) agreed willingly to the marriage, although this means little in the context. Despite the immense age difference, this was a good marriage for its times. Meulan was a respected advisor to three reigning monarchs: William II of England), Robert Curthose of Normandy and Philip I of France.

According to Middle Ages custom, brides were often betrothed young - 8 being the legal age for betrothal and 12 for marriage (for women). The young betrothed wife would often go to her husband's castle to be raised by his parents or other relatives and to learn the customs and ways of her husband's family. The actual wedding would not take place until much later. Some genealogists speculate that the usual age at which a noble bride could expect the marriage to be consummated would be 14. This is consistent with the date of birth of Elizabeth's first child Emma in 1102 when she would be about 15 to 17.

The marriage produced several children, including most notably two sons who were twins (born 1104), and thus remarkable in both surviving and both becoming important noblemen. They are better known to historians of this period as the Beaumont twins, or as Waleran de Beaumont, Count of Meulan and his younger twin Robert Bossu (the Humpback) or Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester. (Readers of Ellis Peters' Cadfael historical mystery series will find both twins mentioned frequently). Another notable child of this marriage was Elisabeth or Isabel de Beaumont, one of the youngest mistresses of Henry I of England and later mother (by her first marriage) of Richard Strongbow.

Some contemporaries were surprised that the aging Count of Meulan (b circa 1049/1050) was able to father so many children, given how busy he was with turmoil in England and Normandy from 1102 to 1110 (or later) and acting as Henry I's unofficial minister. One explanation is offered below; another might simply be an indication of his good health and energy (expended mostly in dashing from one troublespot in Normandy to England back to Normandy).

William II of England died suddenly in a purported hunting accident, and was hastily succeeded not by the expected heir but by the youngest brother Henry. This seizure of the throne led to an abortive invasion by the older brother Duke Robert of Normandy, followed by an uneasy truce between the brothers, followed by trouble in both England and Normandy for some time (stirred up by Duke Robert, and by an exiled nobleman Robert of Bellême, 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury). Finally, Henry invaded Normandy and in the Battle of Tinchebray (September 28, 1106) destroyed organized opposition to his takeover of Normandy and imprisoned his ineffectual older brother for his lifetime. Meulan and his brother Warwick were apparently supporters of Henry during this entire period, and Meulan was rewarded with the earldom of Leicester in 1103. By 1107, Meulan was in possession of substantial lands in three domains. In 1111, he was able to revenge himself on the attack on his seat Meulan by Louis VI of France. He avenged himself by harrying Paris.

Marriages and Children

Isabel de Vermandois was twice married to influential Anglo-Norman magnates, and had several children (among whose descendants are numbered many kings and some queens of England and Scotland). Her Capetian and Carolingian ancestry was a source of much pride for some of these descendants (who included these arms as quarterings in their coats-of-arms[1]). However, the lady herself led a somewhat controversial life.

Isabel De Vermandois, daughter of Hugh "the Great" de Crépi, Count of Vermandois and his wife Adelaide de Vermandois married Robert de Beaumont [Meulan] in 1096 . Robert and Isabel had the following children:
Waleran de Beaumont (1104 - 1166, twin brother of Robert de Beaumont), Count of Meulan and Earl of Worcester who married circa 1141 to Agnes de Montfort, a daughter of Amauri de Montfort, Count of Évreux. They had a son:
Sir Robert de Beaumont (d 1207), Count of Meulan.
Robert de Beaumont
Hugh de Beaumont, said to have been created Earl of Bedford.
Adeline de Beaumont, who married Hugh IV, Seigneur of Montfort-sur-Risle.
Aubrey de Beaumont, who married Hugh II, Seigneur of Chateauneuf-en-Thimerais.
Maud de Beaumont, who married William Louvel, Seigneur of Ivri and Brevel.
Isabel (or Elizabeth) de Beaumont [de Meulan] who first "had an affair" with King Henry I of England and later married Gilbert FitzGilbert de Clare.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_de_Beaumont,_1st_Earl_of_Leicester>

Isobel, Countess of Meulan apparently tired of her aging husband at some point during the marriage. The historian Planche says (1874) that the Countess was seduced by or fell in love with a younger nobleman, William de Warenne (c. 1071-11 May 1138) himself the thwarted suitor of Edith of Scotland, Queen consort of Henry I of England. Warenne, whose mother Gundred has been alleged (in modern times) to be the Conqueror's daughter and stepdaughter by some genealogists, was said to want a royal bride, and Elizabeth fitted his requirements, even though she was also another man's wife.

In 1115, the Countess was apparently carried off or abducted by Warenne, which abduction apparently concealed a long-standing affair. There was some kind of separation or divorce between Meulan and his wife, which however did not permit her to marry her lover. The elderly Count of Meulan died, supposedly of chagrin and mortification in being thus publicly humiliated, in the Abbey of Preaux, Normandy on 5 June 1118, leaving his properties to his two elder sons whom he had carefully educated.

Isobel married, secondly, William de Warenne, 2nd Earl of Surrey, sometime after the death of her first husband. By him, it is alleged, she already had several children (all born during her marriage to Meulan). She also had at least one daughter born while she was living out of wedlock with Warenne (1115-1118). It is unclear whether this daughter was Ada de Warenne, wife of Henry of Scotland or Gundrede de Warenne, wife of Roger de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Warwick (her half-brothers' first cousin).

With William, she had three sons and two daughters:
William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey
Reginald de Warenne, who inherited his father's property in upper Normandy, including the castles of Bellencombre and Mortemer. He married Adeline, daughter of William, lord of Wormgay in Norfolk, by whom he had a son William (founder of the priory of Wormegay), whose daughter and sole heir Beatrice married first Dodo, lord Bardolf, and secondly Hubert de Burgh; Reginald was one of the persecutors of Archbishop Thomas in 1170.
Ralph de Warenne
Gundrada de Warenne, who married first Roger de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Warwick, and second William, lord of Kendal, and is most remembered for expelling king Stephen's garrison from Warwick Castle;
Ada de Warenne, who married Henry of Scotland, 3rd Earl of Huntingdon who made many grants to the priory of Lewes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_de_Warenne,_2nd_Earl_of_Surrey

Elizabeth de Vermandois (d. 1131)
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Elizabeth de Vermandois, or Elisabeth or Isabel de Vermandois (1085? – 13 February 1130/1 17 February 1131), is a fascinating figure about whose descendants and ancestry much is known and about whose character and life relatively little is known. She was twice married to influential Anglo-Norman magnates, and had several children (among whose descendants are numbered many kings and some queens of England and Scotland). Her Capetian and Carolingian ancestry was a source of much pride for some of these descendants (who included these arms as quarterings in their coats-of-arms[1]). However, the lady herself led a somewhat controversial life.

Contents [hide]
1 Family
2 Countess of Leicester
3 Countess of Surrey
4 Children and Descendants
5 External links
6 See also

[edit] Family
Elizabeth de Vermandois was the third daughter of Hugh of Vermandois and Adele of Vermandois. Her paternal grandparents were Henry I of France and Anne of Kiev. Her maternal grandparents were Herbert IV of Vermandois and Adele of Valois.

Her mother was the heiress of the county of Vermandois, and descendant of a junior patrilineal line of descent from Charlemagne. The first Count of Vermandois was Pepin of Vermandois. He was a son of Bernard of Italy, grandson of Pippin of Italy and great-grandson of Charlemagne and Hildegard.

As such, Elizabeth had distinguished ancestry and connections. Her father was a younger brother of Philip I of France and her mother was among the last Carolingians. She was also distantly related to the Kings of England, the Dukes of Normandy, the Counts of Flanders and through her Carolingian ancestors to practically every major nobleman in Western Europe.

[edit] Countess of Leicester
In 1096, while under age (and probably aged 9 or 11), Elizabeth married Robert de Meulan, 1st Earl of Leicester. Meulan was over 35 years her senior, which was an unusual age difference even for this time period. He was a nobleman of some significance in France, having inherited lands from his maternal uncle Henry, Count of Meulan, and had fought bravely and with distinction at his first battle, the Battle of Hastings in 1066 then aged only 16. His parents Roger de Beaumont, Lord of Beaumont-le-Roger and Pont-Audemar and Adeline of Meulan, heiress of Meulan had died long before; Roger had been a kinsman and close associate of William the Conqueror. Meulan had inherited lands in Normandy after his father died circa 1089, and had also been given lands in the Kingdom of England after his participation in the Norman conquest of England. However, at the time of the marriage, he held no earldom in England while his younger brother was already styled Henry de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Warwick.

Planche states that the bride (Elizabeth) agreed willingly to the marriage, although this means little in the context. Despite the immense age difference, this was a good marriage for its times. Meulan was a respected advisor to three reigning monarchs: William II of England), Robert Curthose of Normandy and Philip I of France.

According to Middle Ages custom, brides were often betrothed young - 8 being the legal age for betrothal and 12 for marriage (for women). The young betrothed wife would often go to her husband's castle to be raised by his parents or other relatives and to learn the customs and ways of her husband's family. The actual wedding would not take place until much later. Some genealogists speculate that the usual age at which a noble bride could expect the marriage to be consummated would be 14. This is consistent with the date of birth of Elizabeth's first child Emma in 1102 when she would be about 15 to 17.

The marriage produced several children, including most notably two sons who were twins (born 1104), and thus remarkable in both surviving and both becoming important noblemen. They are better known to historians of this period as the Beaumont twins, or as Waleran de Beaumont, Count of Meulan and his younger twin Robert Bossu (the Humpback) or Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester. (Readers of Ellis Peters' Cadfael historical mystery series will find both twins mentioned frequently). Another notable child of this marriage was Elisabeth or Isabel de Beaumont, one of the youngest mistresses of Henry I of England and later mother (by her first marriage) of Richard Strongbow.

Some contemporaries were surprised that the aging Count of Meulan (b circa 1049/1050) was able to father so many children, given how busy he was with turmoil in England and Normandy from 1102 to 1110 (or later) and acting as Henry I's unofficial minister. One explanation is offered below; another might simply be an indication of his good health and energy (expended mostly in dashing from one troublespot in Normandy to England back to Normandy).

William II of England died suddenly in a purported hunting accident, and was hastily succeeded not by the expected heir but by the youngest brother Henry. This seizure of the throne led to an abortive invasion by the older brother Duke Robert of Normandy, followed by an uneasy truce between the brothers, followed by trouble in both England and Normandy for some time (stirred up by Duke Robert, and by an exiled nobleman Robert of Bellême, 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury). Finally, Henry invaded Normandy and in the Battle of Tinchebray (September 28, 1106) destroyed organized opposition to his takeover of Normandy and imprisoned his ineffectual older brother for his lifetime. Meulan and his brother Warwick were apparently supporters of Henry during this entire period, and Meulan was rewarded with the earldom of Leicester in 1103. By 1107, Meulan was in possession of substantial lands in three domains. In 1111, he was able to revenge himself on the attack on his seat Meulan by Louis VI of France. He avenged himself by harrying Paris.

[edit] Countess of Surrey
Elizabeth, Countess of Meulan apparently tired of her aging husband at some point during the marriage. The historian Planche says (1874) that the Countess was seduced by or fell in love with a younger nobleman, William de Warenne (ca 1071 - 11 May 1138) himself the thwarted suitor of Edith of Scotland, Queen consort of Henry I of England. Warenne, whose mother Gundreda has been alleged (in modern times) to be the Conqueror's daughter and stepdaughter by some genealogists, was said to want a royal bride, and Elizabeth fitted his requirements, even though she was also another man's wife.

In 1115, the Countess was apparently carried off or abducted by Warenne, which abduction apparently concealed a long-standing affair. There was some kind of separation or divorce between Meulan and his wife, which however did not permit her to marry her lover. The elderly Count of Meulan died, supposedly of chagrin and mortification in being thus publicly humiliated, in the Abbey of Preaux, Normandy on 5 June 1118, leaving his properties to his two elder sons whom he had carefully educated.

Elizabeth married, secondly, William de Warenne, 2nd Earl of Surrey, sometime after the death of her first husband. By him, it is alleged, she already had several children (all born during her marriage to Meulan). She also had at least one daughter born while she was living out of wedlock with Warenne (1115-1118). It is unclear whether this daughter was Ada de Warenne, wife of Henry of Scotland or Gundrede de Warenne, wife of Roger de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Warwick (her half-brothers' first cousin).

The later life of Elizabeth de Vermandois is not known. Her sons by her first marriage appear to have a good relationship with their half-brother William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey although on opposing sides for much of the wars between Stephen and Matilda. Her eldest son Waleran, Count of Meulan was active in supporting the disinherited heir William Clito, son of Robert Curthose until captured by King Henry. He was not released until Clito's death without issue in 1128. Her second son Robert inherited his father's English estates and the earldom of Leicester and married the heiress of the Fitzosbern counts of Breteuil. Her daughter Isabel however became a king's concubine or mistress at a young age; it is unclear whether her mother's own life or her eldest brother's political and personal travails in this period played any part in this decision. Before her mother died, Isabel had become wife of Gilbert de Clare, later (1147) Earl of Pembroke, so had adopted a more conventional life like her mother.

There are no known biographies of Elizabeth de Vermandois, nor any known fictional treatments of her life.

[edit] Children and Descendants
During her first marriage (1096-1115) to Robert de Beaumont, Count of Meulan (d 5 June 1118), Elizabeth had 3 sons (including twin elder sons) and 6 daughters:

Emma de Beaumont (born 1102) whose fate is unknown. She was betrothed as an infant to Aumari, nephew of William, Count of Evreux, but the marriage never took place. She probably died young, or entered a convent.[
Waleran IV de Beaumont, Count of Meulan (born 1104) married and left issue.
Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester (born 1104) married and left issue (his granddaughter Hawisa or Isabella of Gloucester was the unfortunate first wife of King John.
Hugh de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Bedford (born c. 1106) lost his earldom, left issue
Adeline de Beaumont (b ca 1107), married two times:
Hugh IV, 4th Lord of Montfort-sur-Risle to whom she was married firstly by her brother Waleran;
Richard de Granville of Bideford (d. 1147)
Aubree (or Alberee) de Beaumont (b ca 1109), married by her brother Waleran to Hugh II of Châteauneuf-en-Thimerais (possibly son of Hugh I of Châteauneuf-en-Thimerais and his wife Mabille de Montgomerie, 2nd daughter of Roger de Montgomerie, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury)
Matilda de Beaumont (b ca 1111), married by her brother Waleran to William Lovel, or Louvel or Lupel, son of Ascelin Goel, Lord of Ivri.
Isabel de Beaumont (b ca 1113), a mistress of King Henry I of England. Married two times:
Gilbert de Clare, 1st Earl of Pembroke by whom she was mother of Richard Strongbow, who invaded Ireland 1170;
Hervé de Montmorency, Constable of Ireland (this marriage is not conclusively proven)
Elizabeth de Beaumont also had a daughter by King Henry before her first marriage.

Agnes de Beaumont (b ca 1115), married Guillaume, Sire de Say.
In her second marriage, to William de Warenne, Elizabeth had three sons and two daughters (for a total of fourteen children - nine during her first marriage, and five during her second):

William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey and Warenne (b. 1119 dspm 1147) whose daughter Isabelle de Warenne, Countess of Surrey married 1stly
William, Count of Boulogne (dsp), yr son of King Stephen, and married 2ndly
Hamelin Plantagenet, an illegitimate half-brother of King Henry II of England by whom she had issue, later earls of Surrey and Warenne.
Reginald de Warenne, who inherited his father's property in upper Normandy. He married Adeline, daughter of William, lord of Wormgay in Norfolk, by whom he had a son William, whose daughter and sole heir Beatrice married first Dodo, lord Bardolf, and secondly Hubert de Burgh;
Ralph de Warenne (dsp)
Gundrada de Warenne, who married first
Roger de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Warwick and had issue; second (as his 2nd wife)
William, lord of Kendal, and is most remembered for expelling king Stephen's garrison from Warwick Castle;
Ada de Warenne (d. ca. 1178), who married Henry of Scotland, 3rd Earl of Huntingdon, younger son of King David I of Scotland, Earl of Huntingdon by his marriage to the heiress Matilda or Maud, 2nd Countess of Huntingdon (herself great-niece of William I of England) and had issue. They were parents to Malcolm IV of Scotland and William I of Scotland and their youngest son became David of Scotland, 8th Earl of Huntingdon. All Kings of Scotland since 1292 were the descedants of Huntingdon.
The second earl had married Isabella, daughter of Hugh, Count of Vermandois, widow of Robert de Beaumont, earl of Leicester. The arms of Warenne "checky or and azure" were adopted from the Vermandois coat after this marriage.

The original Vermandois arms were "checky or and sable" but there was no black tincture in early medieval heraldry until sable was discovered, being the crushed fur of this animal. A very deep indigo was used instead which faded into blue so the Vermandois arms becams "checky argent and or".

The Vermandois arms were inherited by the earls of Warenne and Surrey, the Newburgh earls of Warwick, the Beauchamp earls of Warwick and Worcester and the Clifford earls of Cumberland.

[edit] External links
Elizabeth de Vermandois
Stirnet genealogy database
Beaumont
Warenne
Capetian
Warenne earls in 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica
Robert de Beaumont, Earl of Meulan
Vermandois arms used by Isabel's descendants

[edit] See also
Elizabeth de Vermandois is also the name of the daughter of Raoul I of Vermandois, brother to this Elisabeth or Elizabeth (d. 1131).

OCCU Countess of Leicester
RELI Sources: Wagner, Sir Anthony. File downloaded from AOL "TheR010-3614, he phone number is 801-299-0.
DATE 19 JAN 1998

OCCU Countess of Leicester...
SOUR Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W. Stuart, p. 105;
RURIK.DEC (Compuserve) says 1081,GWALTNEY.ANC (Compuserve) 7938203 says1081;
COMYNX.ARC (Compuserve), #987 says ABT 1091;PHILIP.GED (Compuserve) ABT1091
SOUR Americans of Royal Descent, Charles H. Browning, p.111,28,67,217,197;
Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W. Stuart, p. 105 says 13 or 31 Feb 1131;
RURIK.DEC (Compuserve) says FEB-1130/1;
Robert was her 1st husband - Americans of Royal Descent, Charles H.Browning,
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"(50-24, 53-24); m. (1) 1096, Sir Robert de Beaumont, Earl of Leicester; m. (2)ca. 118, William de War(r)ene, Earl of Surrey. (CP X 351. Generations13-24; Cambridge Mediaeval History; EB Dudley pedigree; NEHGR 99; 243 chart; Boston Evening Transcript, 9 Nov. 1927, Note 2257, Part X Carolingians)." (Weis 141-24)
THE KIMBALL CHART
"A great chart of genealogy, some fifteen by three feet in dimensions, was finished in 1912 by the junior author ot this book and presented to the senior author as an aid in his course of university lectures on Genetics. This chart, far too large for reproduction, gives a fragment of the list of descendants of Isabel de Vermandois, a Norman lady born about 1070, who died on Feburary 13, 1131, in the reign of King Henry I of England. She married successively to Norman lords, Robert de Bellomont, Earl of Leicester, and later William de Warrenne, Earl of Warren and Surrey. Isabell was the daughter of Hugh the Great, Duke of France and Burgundy, and through six seperate strains descended from Charlemagne, while her mother, Adelheid de Vermandois, was a lineal descendant of Alfred the Great. The virtues and charms of this far-off lady concern us very little; so also the manly qualities of either of the earls, although all three of these once exalted personages were no doubt ancestors of yours, gentle reader, as well as of both the present writers. It should also be noted that a very large (althought indefinable) percentage of British and American families of marked originality and energy are descended from Isabel.
By the Earl of Leicester, Isabel had two children, Robert and Elizabeth de Bellomont; by the Earl of Warren, several others, among whom were William, Reginald, Gundred, and Ada de Warren. (Among the descendants of Ada de Warren and her husband, Prince Henry of Scotland, was King Robert Bruce). Each of these lines of descent then passes through a long series of English and Scottish nobility, each allowing a younger son or daughter or daughter's son to drop from time to time into the undistinguished ranks of the middle class or even into the commond peasantry, while a few of the line of Elizabeth de Bellomont, though by no means the most eminent of their group, were set apart by laws of inheritance as occupants of royal thrones. Meanwhile, as I have implies, the elder sons, holding lands and titles, remained in the Cavalier-Troy-Conservative caste, while their disinherited brothers and sisters became Dissenters, of whom many of the most obstinate or most enterprising sought freedom or fortune in the New World." Your Family Tree, pp.13,14. 2-24-98

Granddaughter of King Henry I of France (unconfirmed)

Elizabeth de Vermandois alias Isabel de Vermandois (1085? – 13 February 1130/1 17 February 1131) is a fascinating figure about whose descendants and ancestry much is known, and about whose character and life, relatively little is known. She was twice married to influential Anglo-Norman magnates, and had several children (among whose descendants are numbered many kings and some queens of England and Scotland). Her Capetian and Carolingian ancestry was a source of much pride for some of these descendants (who included these arms as quarterings in their coats-of-arms).[1] However, the lady herself led a somewhat controversial life.

Isabella of Vermandois was the daughter of Hugh, Count of Vermandois.1 Isabella of Vermandois married William Warenne 2nd Earl of Surrey.

Child of Isabella of Vermandois and William Warenne 2nd Earl of Surrey
Ada Warenne+ d. 11781
Citations
1. [S147] Alison Weir, Britain's Royal Families, p. 193.

During her first marriage (1096-1115) to Robert de Beaumont, Count of Meulan (d 5 June 1118), Isabel had the following children - 3 sons (including twin elder sons) and 6 daughters.

In her second marriage to William de Warenne, Isabel had three sons and two daughters (for a total of fourteen children - nine during her first marriage, and five during her second).

Family
Isabel de Vermandois, alias Elisabeth or Elizabeth de Vermandois was the third daughter of Hugh of Vermandois and Adele of Vermandois. Her paternal grandparents were Henry I of France and Anne of Kiev. Her maternal grandparents were Herbert IV of Vermandois and Adele of Valois.
Her mother was the heiress of the county of Vermandois, and descendant of a junior patrilineal line of descent from Charlemagne. The first Count of Vermandois was Pepin of Vermandois. He was a son of Bernard of Italy, grandson of Pippin of Italy and great-grandson of Charlemagne and Hildegard of Savoy.
As such, Isabel de Vermandois had distinguished ancestry and connections. Her father was a younger brother of Philip I of France and her mother was among the last Carolingians. She was also distantly related to the Kings of England, the Dukes of Normandy, the Counts of Flanders and through her Carolingian ancestors to practically every major nobleman in Western Europe.
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Countess of Leicester
In 1096, while under age (and probably aged 9 or 11), Isabel married Robert de Meulan, 1st Earl of Leicester. This was Meulan's second attempted marriage, his first betrothal/ marriage to Godehilde (or Godechilde or Godehaut) de Toeni having collapsed (she married 1096 the Crusader knight Baldwin of Boulogne and died 1097 on the way to the Holy Land). Since the Count of Meulan and the Count of Vermandois shared a common great-grandfather, the Church required Vermandois to go on the First Crusade) which he did, without any notable achievements. Vermandois is styled (or styled himself) Hugh Magnus (or Hugh the Great), for obscure reasons, and the appellation may in fact be a spelling mistake.
Meulan was over 35 years her senior, which was an unusual age difference even for this time period. He was a nobleman of some significance in France, having inherited lands from his maternal uncle Henry, Count of Meulan, and had fought bravely and with distinction at his first battle, the Battle of Hastings in 1066 then aged only 16. His parents Roger de Beaumont, Lord of Beaumont-le-Roger and Pont-Audemar and Adeline of Meulan, heiress of Meulan had died long before; Roger had been a kinsman and close associate of William the Conqueror. Meulan had inherited lands in Normandy after his father died circa 1089, and had also been given lands in the Kingdom of England after his participation in the Norman conquest of England. However, at the time of the marriage, he held no earldom in England while his younger brother was already styled Henry de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Warwick.
Planche states that the bride (Isabel de Vermandois) agreed willingly to the marriage, although this means little in the context. Despite the immense age difference, this was a good marriage for its times. Meulan was a respected advisor to three reigning monarchs - William II of England), Robert Curthose of Normandy and Philip I of France.
According to Middle Ages custom, brides were often betrothed young - 8 being the legal age for betrothal and 12 for marriage (for women). The young betrothed wife would often go to her husband's castle to be raised by his parents or other relatives and to learn the customs and ways of her husband's family. The actual wedding would not take place until much later. Some genealogists speculate that the usual age at which a noble bride could expect the marriage to be consummated would be 14. This is consistent with the date of birth of Isabel's first child Emma in 1102 when she would be about 15 to 17.
The marriage produced several children, including most notably two sons who were twins (born 1104), and thus remarkable in both surviving and both becoming important noblemen. They are better known to historians of this period as the Beaumont twins, or as Waleran de Beaumont, Count of Meulan and his younger twin Robert Bossu (the Humpback) or Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester. (Readers of Ellis Peters' Cadfael historical mystery series will find both twins mentioned frequently). Another notable child of this marriage was Elisabeth or Isabel de Beaumont, one of the youngest mistresses of Henry I of England and later mother (by her first marriage) of Richard Strongbow.
Some contemporaries were surprised that the aging Count of Meulan (b circa 1049/1050) was able to father so many children, given how busy he was with turmoil in England and Normandy from 1102 to 1110 (or later) and acting as Henry I's unofficial minister. One explanation is offered below; another might simply be an indication of his good health and energy (expended mostly in dashing from one troublespot in Normandy to England back to Normandy).
William II of England died suddenly in a purported hunting accident, and was hastily succeeded not by the expected heir but by the youngest brother Henry. This seizure of the throne led to an abortive invasion by the older brother Duke Robert of Normandy, followed by an uneasy truce between the brothers, followed by trouble in both England and Normandy for some time (stirred up by Duke Robert, and by an exiled nobleman Robert of Bellême, 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury). Finally, Henry invaded Normandy and in the Battle of Tinchebray (September 28, 1106) destroyed organized opposition to his takeover of Normandy and imprisoned his ineffectual older brother for his lifetime. Meulan and his brother Warwick were apparently supporters of Henry during this entire period, and Meulan was rewarded with the earldom of Leicester in 1103. By 1107, Meulan was in possession of substantial lands in three domains. In 1111, he was able to revenge himself on the attack on his seat Meulan by Louis VI of France. He avenged himself by harrying Paris.
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Countess of Surrey
Isabel, Countess of Meulan apparently tired of her aging husband at some point during the marriage. The historian Planche says (1874) that the Countess was seduced by or fell in love with a younger nobleman, William de Warenne (ca 1071 - 11 May 1138) himself the thwarted suitor of Edith of Scotland, Queen consort of Henry I of England. Warenne, whose mother Gundreda has been alleged (in modern times) to be the Conqueror's daughter and stepdaughter by some genealogists, was said to want a royal bride, and Isabel fitted his requirements, even though she was also another man's wife.
In 1115, the Countess was apparently carried off or abducted by Warenne, which abduction apparently concealed a long-standing affair. There was some kind of separation or divorce between Meulan and his wife, which however did not permit her to marry her lover. The elderly Count of Meulan died, supposedly of chagrin and mortification in being thus publicly humiliated, in the Abbey of Preaux, Normandy on 5 June 1118, leaving his properties to his two elder sons whom he had carefully educated.
Isabel de Vermandois married, secondly, William de Warenne, 2nd Earl of Surrey, sometime after the death of her first husbandafter. By him, it is alleged, she already had several children (all born during her marriage to Meulan). She also had at least one daughter born while she was living out of wedlock with Warenne (1115-1118). It is unclear whether this daughter was Ada de Warenne, wife of Henry of Scotland or Gundrede de Warenne, wife of Roger de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Warwick (her half-brothers' first cousin).
The later life of Isabel de Vermandois is not known. Her sons by her first marriage appear to have a good relationship with their half-brother Warenne although on opposing sides for much of the wars between Stephen and Matilda. Her eldest son Waleran, Count of Meulan was active in supporting the disinherited heir William Clito, son of Robert Curthose until captured by King Henry. He was not released until Clito's death without issue in 1128. Her second son Robert inherited his father's English estates and the earldom of Leicester and married the heiress of the Fitzosbern counts of Breteuil. Her daughter Isabel however became a king's concubine or mistress at a young age; it is unclear whether her mother's own life or her eldest brother's political and personal travails in this period played any part in this decision. Before her mother died, Isabel had become wife of Gilbert de Clare, later (1147) Earl of Pembroke, so had adopted a more conventional life like her mother.
There are no known biographies of Isabel de Vermandois, nor any known fictional treatments of her life.
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Children and Descendants
During her first marriage (1096-1115) to Robert de Beaumont, Count of Meulan (d 5 June 1118), Isabel had the following children - 3 sons (including twin elder sons) and 6 daughters:
• Emma de Beaumont (born 1102) whose fate is unknown. She was betrothed as an infant to Aumari, nephew of William, Count of Evreux, but the marriage never took place. She probably died young, or entered a convent.[2]
• Waleran IV de Beaumont, Count of Meulan (born 1104) married and left issue.
• Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester (born 1104) married and left issue (his granddaughter Hawisa or Isabella of Gloucester was the unfortunate first wife of King John.
• Hugh de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Bedford (born c. 1106) lost his earldom, left issue
• Adeline de Beaumont (b ca 1107), married two times:
• Hugh IV, 4th Lord of Montfort-sur-Risle to whom she was married firstly by her brother Waleran;
• Richard de Granville of Bideford (d. 1147)
• Aubree (or Alberee) de Beaumont (b ca 1109), married by her brother Waleran to Hugh II of Châteauneuf-en-Thimerais (possibly son of Hugh I of Châteauneuf-en-Thimerais and his wife Mabille de Montgomerie, 2nd daughter of Roger de Montgomerie, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury)
• Matilda de Beaumont (b ca 1111), married by her brother Waleran to William Lovel, or Louvel or Lupel, son of Ascelin Goel, Lord of Ivri.
• Isabel de Beaumont (b ca 1113), a mistress of King Henry I of England. Married two times:
• Gilbert de Clare, 1st Earl of Pembroke by whom she was mother of Richard Strongbow, who invaded Ireland 1170;
• Herve de Montmorency, Constable of Ireland (this marriage is not conclusively proven)
Isabel de Beaumont also had a daughter by King Henry before her first marriage.
• Agnes de Beaumont (b ca 1115), married Guillaume, Sire de Say.
In her second marriage to William de Warenne, Isabel had three sons and two daughters (for a total of fourteen children - nine during her first marriage, and five during her second):
• William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey and Warenne (b. 1119 dspm 1147) whose daughter Isabelle de Warenne, Countess of Surrey married 1stly
• William, Count of Boulogne (dsp), yr son of King Stephen, and married 2ndly
• Hamelin Plantagenet, an illegitimate half-brother of King Henry II of England by whom she had issue, later earls of Surrey and Warenne.
• Reginald de Warenne, who inherited his father's property in upper Normandy. He married Adeline, daughter of William, lord of Wormgay in Norfolk, by whom he had a son William, whose daughter and sole heir Beatrice married first Dodo, lord Bardolf, and secondly Hubert de Burgh;
• Ralph de Warenne (dsp)
• Gundrada de Warenne, who married first
• Roger de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Warwick and had issue; second (as his 2nd wife)
• William, lord of Kendal, and is most remembered for expelling king Stephen's garrison from Warwick Castle;
• Ada de Warenne (d. ca. 1178), who married Henry of Scotland, 3rd Earl of Huntingdon, younger son of King David I of Scotland, Earl of Huntingdon by his marriage to the heiress Matilda or Maud, 2nd Countess of Huntingdon (herself great-niece of William I of England) and had issue. They were parents to Malcolm IV of Scotland and William I of Scotland and their youngest son became David of Scotland, 8th Earl of Huntingdon. All Kings of Scotland since 1292 were the descedants of Huntingdon.
Vermandois arms used by Isabel's descendants
Vermandois arms used by Isabel's descendants
The second earl had married Isabella, daughter of Hugh, Count of Vermandois, widow of Robert de Beaumont, earl of Leicester. The arms of Warenne "checky or and azure" were adopted from the Vermandois coat after this marriage.
The original Vermandois arms were "checky or and sable" but there was no black tincture in early medieval heraldry until sable was discovered, being the crushed fur of this animal. A very deep indigo was used instead which faded into blue so the Vermandois arms becams "checky argent and or".
The Vermandois arms were inherited by the earls of Warenne and Surrey, the Newburgh earls of Warwick, the Beauchamp earls of Warwick and Worcester and the Clifford earls of Cumberland.

Countess of Leicester...of the Capet line.

[414] or Isabella De Vermandois CAPET

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Husband Sir, Robert De Beaumont De Meulan, Earl Of Leicester-[116240]

Born: Abt 1049 at: Beaumont, Ponteaudemer, Normandy, France
Christened: at:
Died: 5 Jun 1118 at: , , Leicestershire, England
Buried: at:

Father: Roger De Beaumont, Earl Of Meulan-[122836] (1010-1094)
Mother: Adeline De Meulan, Countess De Meulan-[122837] (1014-1081)

Father: Roger De Beaumont-[170221] (Abt 1023- )
Mother: Adelise De Meulan-[170222] (Abt 1027- )

Married: 1115 Place: Leicester, Leicestershire, England

Other Spouse: Godeheut De Toeni-[123400] (Abt 1086-1097) Date: Bef 1096, Beaumont, Ponteaudemer, Normandy, France

Events 1. Notes
2. Notes, Abbey De Pre'aux, Ponteaudemer, Normandy, France
3. Notes
4. Notes
5. Notes, 1066
6. Occupation

Count Of Meulan, 1st Earl Of Leicester, Lord Of

7. Education

Beaumont, Port-Audemer And Brionne

Wife Isabella Or Elizabeth Capet Or De Crépi, Countess of Leicester-[116237]

AKA: Isabella Capet De Crépi De Vermandois
Born: 1081 at: Of, Valois, Bretagne, France
Christened: at:
Died: 13 Feb 1130-1131 at:
Buried: at: Lewes, Sussex, England

Father: Hugh Magnus De Crépi Capet, Duc De Burgundy-[115498] (Abt 1057-1102)
Mother: Adelaide De Vermandois, Countess De Vermandois-[129086] (Abt 1062-1120)

Father: Hugh Magnus De Crépi Capet, Duc De Burgundy-[115498] (Abt 1057-1102)
Mother:

Other Spouse: William II De Warenne, Earl Of Warren & Surrey-[116239] (1081-1138) Date: 1118

Children 1 F Agnes De Beaumont-[151455]

Born: Abt 1097 at: Leicester, Leicestershire, England
Christened: at:
Died: at:
Buried: at:

Spouse: William De Say, Baron Aunay-[151456] (Abt 1895- ) Marr: Leicester, Leicestershire, England
2 F Aubreye De Beaumont-[140014]

Born: Abt 1099 at: Leicester, Leicestershire, England
Christened: at:
Died: at:
Buried: at:

Spouse: Hugh De Chatrauneuf-[140015] (Abt 1094- ) Marr: Leicester, Leicestershire, England
3 F Isabel Or Elizabeth De Beaumont-[116243]

AKA: Isabella De Meulan
Born: After 1102 at: Leicester, Leicestershire, England
Christened: at:
Died: After 1172 at:
Buried: at:

Spouse: Henry I Beauclerc And Lion Of Justice Canmore, King Of England-[158195] (1068-1135) Marr: Abt 1120, , , England Spouse: Earl Of Pembroke, Gilbert De Clare, Sir-[116275] (1100-1148) Marr: 1130, Of, Tunbridge, Kent, England Spouse: Sir, Patrick Chaworth, Lord Kidwillyin-[117361] (1250-1283) Marr: Kidwelly, Carmarthen, Wales
4 F Maud De Beaumont-[170148]

Born: Abt 1103 at: Leicester, Leicestershire, England
Christened: at:
Died: at:
Buried: at:

Spouse: William De Lovel-[170147] (Abt 1097-1166) Marr: Leicester, Leicestershire, England
5 M Sir, Robert Or Bossu II De Beaumont-[122841]

AKA: Robert De Belloment
Born: 1104 at: Leicester, Leicestershire, England
Christened: at:
Died: 5 Apr 1168 at: Leicester, Leicestershire, England
Buried: at:

Spouse: Amica De Gael-[122842] (1100-1168) Marr: After Nov 1120, Of, Leicestershire, England
6 M Sir, Waleran De Beaumont De Meulan, Count, Earl Of Worcester-[116241]

AKA: Waleran De Beaumont Ct De Meulan
Born: 1104 at: Of, Meulan, Normandy, France
Christened: at:
Died: 10 Apr 1166 at: Abbey De Pre'aux, Ponteaudemer, Normandy, France
Buried: at:

Spouse: Agnes De Montfort-[129478] (1122-1187) Marr: 1136, Of, Meulan, Normandy, France Spouse: Matilda Of England-[114678] (1133-1135) Marr: Nov 1141, Of, Meulan, Normandy, France
7 M Hugh De Beaumont, Earl Of Bedford-[122850]

Born: 1106 at: Of, Leicester, Leicestershire, England
Christened: at:
Died: at:
Buried: at:

Spouse: Alice De Estonteville-[129518] (1106- ) Marr: Of, Leicester, Leicestershire, England
8 F Amicade De Beaumont-[133919]

Born: 1112 at: Of, Leicester, Leicestershire, England
Christened: at:
Died: at:
Buried: at:

Spouse: Hugh De Nove-[133923] (1112- ) Marr: Of, Leicester, Leicestershire, England
9 F Maude De Beaumont-[140018]

Born: Abt 1114 at: Of, Leicester, Leicestershire, England
Christened: at:
Died: After 1189 at:
Buried: at:

Spouse: William Tornvel-[140019] (Abt 1109- ) Marr: Of, Leicester, Leicestershire, England Spouse: William De Lovel, Seigneur De Ivri & Breval-[151216] (Abt 1109-1166) Marr: Of, Minster Lovel, Oxfordshire, England Spouse: Hughes II De Chateauneuf-En-Thimerais, Seigneur De Chateauneuf-En-Thimerais-[151454] (Abt 1109- ) Marr: Of, Leicester, Leicestershire, England
10 F Adeline De Beaumont, Of Meulan-[122851]

Born: 1114 at: Of, Leicester, Leicestershire, England
Christened: at:
Died: at:
Buried: at:

Spouse: Hugh De Montfort, IV-[122852] (1078- ) Marr: Abt 1120, Of, Egmanton, Nottinghamshire, England Spouse: Richard De Greinville, II-[151254] ( -1147) Marr: After 1125, Of, Leicester, Leicestershire, England

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[BIGOD-Mel Morris,10Gen Anc.FTW]

TITL Garner, Lorraine Ann "Lori"
PUBL P.O. Box 577, Bayview, ID 83803
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J.H. Garner
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_FA1
PLAC AKA Isabella de Vermandois.
_FA2
PLAC Buried at Lewes, Sussex, England.[BIGOD-Mel Morris,10Gen Anc.FTW]

OCCU Countess of Leicester...
SOUR Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W. Stuart, p. 105;
RURIK.DEC (Compuserve) says 1081,GWALTNEY.ANC (Compuserve) 7938203 says 1081;
COMYNX.ARC (Compuserve), #987 says ABT 1091;PHILIP.GED (Compuserve) ABT 1091
SOUR Americans of Royal Descent, Charles H. Browning, p. 111,28,67,217,197;
Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W. Stuart, p. 105 says 13 or 31 Feb 1131;
RURIK.DEC (Compuserve) says FEB-1130/1;
Robert was her 1st husband - Americans of Royal Descent, Charles H. Browning,
p. 147; Isabel de Vermandois (Elizabeth of Leicester) [Capet] - BOOTH.TAF
(Compuserve), 142917; Elizabeth (Isabel) de Vermandois - COMYNX.ARC (Compuserv
e), #804

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NSFX Countess of Leicester
TYPE Book
PERI Magna Carta Ancestry (2000)
EDTR Richardson, Douglas ((XXXXX@XXXX.XXX))
PERI An Historical and Genealogical Chart of Robert Brooke of England and his first wife Mary Baker
PUBL Mitchell Hughes and Clarke, 11 Bream's Building, Chancery Lane, London, England
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GIVN Isabel (Elizabeth)
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AFN 8XJB-3Q
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TIME 10:38:08

1147

http://www.3angelz.com/d0007/g0000016.html#I6620 BIRTH: ABT.1081, Vermandois, Normandy, France DEATH: 13 FEB 1130/31,France REFN: 6620 Father: Hugh DE CREPPI Mother: Adelaide DEVERMANDOIS Family 1: Robert DE BEAUMONT MARRIAGE: ABT. 1097+Isabel DE BEAUMONT Agnes DE BEAUMONT Auberie DE BEAUMONTRobert II DE BEAUMONT Waleran IV DE BEAUMONT Hugh DE BEAUMONTAmicade DE BEAUMONT Adeline DE BEAUMONT Maud DE BEAUMONTFamily 2: William DE WARRENE II MARRIAGE: ABT. 1118 Ella DEWARRENE Rainauld DE WARRENE Ralph DE WARRENE Gundred DEWARRENE William DE WARRENE Ada DE WARRENE

Elizabeth de Vermandois, or Elisabeth or Isabel de Vermandois (c. 1081–13 February 1131), is a fascinating figure about whose descendants and ancestry much is known and about whose character and life relatively little is known. She was twice married to influential Anglo-Norman magnates, and had several children (among whose descendants are numbered many kings and some queens of England and Scotland). Her Capetian and Carolingian ancestry was a source of much pride for some of these descendants (who included these arms as quarterings in their coats-of-arms[1]). However, the lady herself led a somewhat controversial life.

[
Elizabeth de Vermandois was the third daughter of Hugh Magnus and Adele of Vermandois. Her paternal grandparents were Henry I of France and Anne of Kiev. Her maternal grandparents were Herbert IV of Vermandois and Adele of Vexin.

Her mother was the heiress of the county of Vermandois, and descendant of a junior patrilineal line of descent from Charlemagne. The first Count of Vermandois was Pepin of Vermandois. He was a son of Bernard of Italy, grandson of Pippin of Italy and great-grandson of Charlemagne and Hildegard.

As such, Elizabeth had distinguished ancestry and connections. Her father was a younger brother of Philip I of France and her mother was among the last Carolingians. She was also distantly related to the Kings of England, the Dukes of Normandy, the Counts of Flanders and through her Carolingian ancestors to practically every major nobleman in Western Europe.

[
In 1096, while under age (and probably aged 9 or 11), Elizabeth married Robert de Meulan, 1st Earl of Leicester. Meulan was over 35 years her senior, which was an unusual age difference even for this time period. He was a nobleman of some significance in France, having inherited lands from his maternal uncle Henry, Count of Meulan, and had fought bravely and with distinction at his first battle, the Battle of Hastings in 1066 then aged only 16. His parents Roger de Beaumont, Lord of Beaumont-le-Roger and Pont-Audemar and Adeline of Meulan, heiress of Meulan had died long before; Roger had been a kinsman and close associate of William the Conqueror. Meulan had inherited lands in Normandy after his father died circa 1089, and had also been given lands in the Kingdom of England after his participation in the Norman conquest of England. However, at the time of the marriage, he held no earldom in England while his younger brother was already styled Henry de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Warwick.

Planche states that the bride (Elizabeth) agreed willingly to the marriage, although this means little in the context. Despite the immense age difference, this was a good marriage for its times. Meulan was a respected advisor to three reigning monarchs: William II of England), Robert Curthose of Normandy and Philip I of France.

According to Middle Ages custom, brides were often betrothed young - 8 being the legal age for betrothal and 12 for marriage (for women). The young betrothed wife would often go to her husband's castle to be raised by his parents or other relatives and to learn the customs and ways of her husband's family. The actual wedding would not take place until much later. Some genealogists speculate that the usual age at which a noble bride could expect the marriage to be consummated would be 14. This is consistent with the date of birth of Elizabeth's first child Emma in 1102 when she would be about 15 to 17.

The marriage produced several children, including most notably two sons who were twins (born 1104), and thus remarkable in both surviving and both becoming important noblemen. They are better known to historians of this period as the Beaumont twins, or as Waleran de Beaumont, Count of Meulan and his younger twin Robert Bossu (the Humpback) or Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester. (Readers of Ellis Peters' Cadfael historical mystery series will find both twins mentioned frequently). Another notable child of this marriage was Elisabeth or Isabel de Beaumont, one of the youngest mistresses of Henry I of England and later mother (by her first marriage) of Richard Strongbow.

Some contemporaries were surprised that the aging Count of Meulan (b circa 1049/1050) was able to father so many children, given how busy he was with turmoil in England and Normandy from 1102 to 1110 (or later) and acting as Henry I's unofficial minister. One explanation is offered below; another might simply be an indication of his good health and energy (expended mostly in dashing from one troublespot in Normandy to England back to Normandy).

William II of England died suddenly in a purported hunting accident, and was hastily succeeded not by the expected heir but by the youngest brother Henry. This seizure of the throne led to an abortive invasion by the older brother Duke Robert of Normandy, followed by an uneasy truce between the brothers, followed by trouble in both England and Normandy for some time (stirred up by Duke Robert, and by an exiled nobleman Robert of Bellême, 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury). Finally, Henry invaded Normandy and in the Battle of Tinchebray (September 28, 1106) destroyed organized opposition to his takeover of Normandy and imprisoned his ineffectual older brother for his lifetime. Meulan and his brother Warwick were apparently supporters of Henry during this entire period, and Meulan was rewarded with the earldom of Leicester in 1103. By 1107, Meulan was in possession of substantial lands in three domains. In 1111, he was able to revenge himself on the attack on his seat Meulan by Louis VI of France. He avenged himself by harrying Paris.

Elizabeth, Countess of Meulan apparently tired of her aging husband at some point during the marriage. The historian Planche says (1874) that the Countess was seduced by or fell in love with a younger nobleman, William de Warenne (c. 1071-11 May 1138) himself the thwarted suitor of Edith of Scotland, Queen consort of Henry I of England. Warenne, whose mother Gundred has been alleged (in modern times) to be the Conqueror's daughter and stepdaughter by some genealogists, was said to want a royal bride, and Elizabeth fitted his requirements, even though she was also another man's wife.

In 1115, the Countess was apparently carried off or abducted by Warenne, which abduction apparently concealed a long-standing affair. There was some kind of separation or divorce between Meulan and his wife, which however did not permit her to marry her lover. The elderly Count of Meulan died, supposedly of chagrin and mortification in being thus publicly humiliated, in the Abbey of Preaux, Normandy on 5 June 1118, leaving his properties to his two elder sons whom he had carefully educated.

Elizabeth married, secondly, William de Warenne, 2nd Earl of Surrey, sometime after the death of her first husband. By him, it is alleged, she already had several children (all born during her marriage to Meulan). She also had at least one daughter born while she was living out of wedlock with Warenne (1115-1118). It is unclear whether this daughter was Ada de Warenne, wife of Henry of Scotland or Gundrede de Warenne, wife of Roger de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Warwick (her half-brothers' first cousin).

The later life of Elizabeth de Vermandois is not known. Her sons by her first marriage appear to have a good relationship with their half-brother William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey although on opposing sides for much of the wars between Stephen and Matilda. Her eldest son Waleran, Count of Meulan was active in supporting the disinherited heir William Clito, son of Robert Curthose until captured by King Henry. He was not released until Clito's death without issue in 1128. Her second son Robert inherited his father's English estates and the earldom of Leicester and married the heiress of the Fitzosbern counts of Breteuil. Her daughter Isabel however became a king's concubine or mistress at a young age; it is unclear whether her mother's own life or her eldest brother's political and personal travails in this period played any part in this decision. Before her mother died, Isabel had become wife of Gilbert de Clare, later (1147) Earl of Pembroke, so had adopted a more conventional life like her mother.

GIVN Isabel Elizabeth de
SURN Vermandois
AFN 8XJB-1D
DATE 9 SEP 2000
TIME 13:15:50

[Scott McGee soc.med Sept 4 '95] [Weir]
Elizabeth (Isabel) De CREPI (of Vermandois). Also known as Isabel of
Leicester.
[AlanBWilson] see his list of refs. under: de BEAUMONT, Roger born c
1022 of Pontaudemer, Normandy.

#Générale#inhumation : Lewes Sussex Uk

#Générale#Comtesse de Leicester

{geni:about_me} (Ben notes: Her father was mostly based from Paris, while her mother was merely born into the family that governed the Vermandois region, then north of Paris. There is nothing that says exactly where or when Isabel, or as she is known in English sources, "Elizabeth", was born, other than it was around 1081. I think the "Priory of Lewes" is probably an assumption based on her burial at Lewes, but that seems to be where most of the Earls of Surrey and their families were buried, so it seems reasonable.)

From the English Wikipedia page on Elizabeth de Vermandois:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_de_Vermandois_(d._1131)

Elizabeth de Vermandois, or Elisabeth or Isabel de Vermandois (ca. 1081 – 13 February 1131), is a fascinating figure about whose descendants and ancestry much is known and about whose character and life relatively little is known.

She was twice married to influential Anglo-Norman magnates, and had several children (among whose descendants are numbered many kings and some queens of England and Scotland). Her Capetian and Carolingian ancestry was a source of much pride for some of these descendants (who included these arms as quarterings in their coats-of-arms[1]). However, the lady herself led a somewhat controversial life.

Family

Elizabeth de Vermandois was the third daughter of Hugh Magnus and Adele of Vermandois. Her paternal grandparents were Henry I of France and Anne of Kiev. Her maternal grandparents were Herbert IV of Vermandois and Adele of Vexin.

Her mother was the heiress of the county of Vermandois, and descendant of a junior patrilineal line of descent from Charlemagne. The first Count of Vermandois was Pepin of Vermandois. He was a son of Bernard of Italy, grandson of Pippin of Italy and great-grandson of Charlemagne and Hildegard.

As such, Elizabeth had distinguished ancestry and connections. Her father was a younger brother of Philip I of France and her mother was among the last Carolingians. She was also distantly related to the Kings of England, the Dukes of Normandy, the Counts of Flanders and through her Carolingian ancestors to practically every major nobleman in Western Europe.

Countess of Leicester

In 1096, while under age (and probably aged 9 or 11), Elizabeth married Robert de Meulan, 1st Earl of Leicester. Meulan was over 35 years her senior, which was an unusual age difference even for this time period.

He was a nobleman of some significance in France, having inherited lands from his maternal uncle Henry, Count of Meulan, and had fought bravely and with distinction at his first battle, the Battle of Hastings in 1066 then aged only 16. His parents Roger de Beaumont, Lord of Beaumont-le-Roger and Pont-Audemar and Adeline of Meulan, heiress of Meulan had died long before; Roger had been a kinsman and close associate of William the Conqueror. Meulan had inherited lands in Normandy after his father died circa 1089, and had also been given lands in the Kingdom of England after his participation in the Norman conquest of England. However, at the time of the marriage, he held no earldom in England while his younger brother was already styled Henry de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Warwick.

Planche states that the bride (Elizabeth) agreed willingly to the marriage, although this means little in the context. Despite the immense age difference, this was a good marriage for its times. Meulan was a respected advisor to three reigning monarchs: William II of England, Robert Curthose of Normandy and Philip I of France.

According to Middle Ages custom, brides were often betrothed young - 8 being the legal age for betrothal and 12 for marriage (for women). The young betrothed wife would often go to her husband's castle to be raised by his parents or other relatives and to learn the customs and ways of her husband's family. The actual wedding would not take place until much later.

Some genealogists speculate that the usual age at which a noble bride could expect the marriage to be consummated would be 14. This is consistent with the date of birth of Elizabeth's first child Emma in 1102 when she would be about 15 to 17.

The marriage produced several children, including most notably two sons who were twins (born 1104), and thus remarkable in both surviving and both becoming important noblemen. They are better known to historians of this period as the Beaumont twins, or as Waleran de Beaumont, Count of Meulan and his younger twin Robert Bossu (the Humpback) or Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester. (Readers of Ellis Peters' Cadfael historical mystery series will find both twins mentioned frequently).

Another notable child of this marriage was Elisabeth or Isabel de Beaumont, one of the youngest mistresses of Henry I of England and later mother (by her first marriage) of Richard Strongbow.

Some contemporaries were surprised that the aging Count of Meulan (b circa 1049/1050) was able to father so many children, given how busy he was with turmoil in England and Normandy from 1102 to 1110 (or later) and acting as Henry I's unofficial minister. One explanation is offered below; another might simply be an indication of his good health and energy (expended mostly in dashing from one troublespot in Normandy to England back to Normandy).

William II of England died suddenly in a purported hunting accident, and was hastily succeeded not by the expected heir but by the youngest brother Henry. This seizure of the throne led to an abortive invasion by the older brother Duke Robert of Normandy, followed by an uneasy truce between the brothers, followed by trouble in both England and Normandy for some time (stirred up by Duke Robert, and by an exiled nobleman Robert of Bellême, 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury).

Finally, Henry invaded Normandy and in the Battle of Tinchebray (September 28, 1106) destroyed organized opposition to his takeover of Normandy and imprisoned his ineffectual older brother for his lifetime. Meulan and his brother Warwick were apparently supporters of Henry during this entire period, and Meulan was rewarded with the earldom of Leicester in 1103.

By 1107, Meulan was in possession of substantial lands in three domains. In 1111, he was able to revenge himself on the attack on his seat Meulan by Louis VI of France. He avenged himself by harrying Paris.

Countess of Surrey

Elizabeth, Countess of Meulan apparently tired of her aging husband at some point during the marriage. The historian Planche says (1874) that the Countess was seduced by or fell in love with a younger nobleman, William de Warenne (c. 1071-11 May 1138) himself the thwarted suitor of Edith of Scotland, Queen consort of Henry I of England. Warenne, whose mother Gundred has been alleged (in modern times) to be the Conqueror's daughter and stepdaughter by some genealogists, was said to want a royal bride, and Elizabeth fitted his requirements, even though she was also another man's wife.

In 1115, the Countess was apparently carried off or abducted by Warenne, which abduction apparently concealed a long-standing affair. There was some kind of separation or divorce between Meulan and his wife, which however did not permit her to marry her lover. The elderly Count of Meulan died, supposedly of chagrin and mortification in being thus publicly humiliated, in the Abbey of Preaux, Normandy on 5 June 1118, leaving his properties to his two elder sons whom he had carefully educated.

Elizabeth married, secondly, William de Warenne, 2nd Earl of Surrey, sometime after the death of her first husband. By him, it is alleged, she already had several children (all born during her marriage to Meulan). She also had at least one daughter born while she was living out of wedlock with Warenne (1115-1118). It is unclear whether this daughter was Ada de Warenne, wife of Henry of Scotland or Gundrede de Warenne, wife of Roger de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Warwick (her half-brothers' first cousin).

The later life of Elizabeth de Vermandois is not known. Her sons by her first marriage appear to have a good relationship with their half-brother William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey although on opposing sides for much of the wars between Stephen and Matilda.

Her eldest son Waleran, Count of Meulan was active in supporting the disinherited heir William Clito, son of Robert Curthose until captured by King Henry. He was not released until Clito's death without issue in 1128.

Her second son Robert inherited his father's English estates and the earldom of Leicester and married the heiress of the Fitzosbern counts of Breteuil.

Her daughter Isabel however became a king's concubine or mistress at a young age; it is unclear whether her mother's own life or her eldest brother's political and personal travails in this period played any part in this decision. Before her mother died, Isabel had become wife of Gilbert de Clare, later (1147) Earl of Pembroke, so had adopted a more conventional life like her mother.

There are no known biographies of Elizabeth de Vermandois, nor any known fictional treatments of her life.

Children and descendants

During her first marriage (1096-1115) to Robert de Beaumont, Count of Meulan (d 5 June 1118), Elizabeth had 3 sons (including twin elder sons) and 6 daughters:

1. Emma de Beaumont (born 1102) whose fate is unknown. She was betrothed as an infant to Aumari, nephew of William, Count of Evreux, but the marriage never took place. She probably died young, or entered a convent.[2]

2. Waleran IV de Beaumont, Count of Meulan (born 1104) married and left issue.

3. Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester (born 1104) married and left issue (his granddaughter Hawisa or Isabella of Gloucester was the unfortunate first wife of King John.

4. Hugh de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Bedford (born c. 1106) lost his earldom, left issue

5. Adeline de Beaumont (b ca 1107), married two times:

-firstly with Hugh IV, 4th Lord of Montfort-sur-Risle to whom she was married firstly by her brother Waleran;

-secondly with Richard de Granville of Bideford (d. 1147)

6.Aubree (or Alberee) de Beaumont (b ca 1109), married by her brother Waleran to Hugh II of Châteauneuf-en-Thimerais (possibly son of Hugh I of Châteauneuf-en-Thimerais and his wife Mabille de Montgomerie, 2nd daughter of Roger de Montgomerie, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury)

7. Maud de Beaumont (b ca 1111), married by her brother Waleran to William Lovel, or Louvel or Lupel, son of Ascelin Goel, Lord of Ivri.

8. Isabel de Beaumont (b Aft. 1102), a mistress of King Henry I of England. Married two times:

-firstly with Gilbert de Clare, 1st Earl of Pembroke by whom she was mother of Richard Strongbow, who invaded Ireland 1170;

-secondly with Hervé de Montmorency, Constable of Ireland (this marriage is not conclusively proven)

In her second marriage, to William de Warenne, Elizabeth had three sons and two daughters (for a total of 14 children - 9 during her first marriage, and 5 during her second):

1. William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey and Warenne (b. 1119 dspm 1147) whose daughter Isabelle de Warenne, Countess of Surrey married:

-firstly to William, Count of Boulogne (dsp), yr son of King Stephen, and married 2ndly

-secondly to Hamelin Plantagenet, an illegitimate half-brother of King Henry II of England by whom she had issue, later earls of Surrey and Warenne.

2. Reginald de Warenne, who inherited his father's property in upper Normandy. He married Adeline, daughter of William, lord of Wormgay in Norfolk, by whom he had a son William, whose daughter and sole heir Beatrice married first Dodo, lord Bardolf, and secondly Hubert de Burgh;

3. Ralph de Warenne (dsp)

4. Gundrada de Warenne, (Gundred) who married:

-firstly with Roger de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Warwick and had issue; second (as his 2nd wife)

-secondly with William de Warenne, 1st Earl of Warenne and Surrey and is most remembered for expelling king Stephen's garrison from Warwick Castle; and they had issue.

5. Ada de Warenne (d. ca. 1178), who married Henry of Scotland, 3rd Earl of Huntingdon, younger son of King David I of Scotland, Earl of Huntingdon by his marriage to the heiress Matilda or Maud, 2nd Countess of Huntingdon (herself great-niece of William I of England) and had issue. They were parents to Malcolm IV of Scotland and William I of Scotland and their youngest son became David of Scotland, 8th Earl of Huntingdon. All Kings of Scotland since 1292 were the descendants of Huntingdon.

The second earl had married Isabella, daughter of Hugh, Count of Vermandois, widow of Robert de Beaumont, earl of Leicester. The arms of Warenne "checky or and azure" were adopted from the Vermandois coat after this marriage.

The original Vermandois arms were "checky or and sable" but there was no black tincture in early medieval heraldry until sable was discovered, being the crushed fur of this animal. A very deep indigo was used instead which faded into blue so the Vermandois arms became "checky or and azure".

The Vermandois arms were inherited by the earls of Warenne and Surrey, the Newburgh earls of Warwick, the Beauchamp earls of Warwick and Worcester and the Clifford earls of Cumberland.

External links

1. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America Before 1700 by Frederick Lewis Weis, Lines: 50-24, 50-25, 53-24, 66-25, 84-25, 88-25, 89-25, 140-24, 170-23 184-4, 215-24

2. [3] My Royal Ancestors [Ancestors of Lady Shirley Cassidy, verified and certified by the Royal Medieval Genealogy Institute of London]

http://royalancestralc.tribalpages.com/

3. Elizabeth de Vermandois [Darryl Lundy's The Peerage page on Elizabeth de Vermandois]

http://www.thepeerage.com/p10466.htm#i104653

4. Vermandois arms used by Isabel's descendants [From The Golden Falcon, chapter IV/2 - Wych]

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pillagoda/ch4-02.htm

See also

1. Elizabeth de Vermandois is also the name of the daughter of Raoul I of Vermandois, brother to this Elisabeth or Elizabeth (d. 1131).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raoul_I_of_Vermandois

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WILLIAM II DE WARREN, 2ND EARL OF SURREY of Sussex, England, son of William, Earl and Gundred, Countess of Surrey, was born circa 1081, died on 11 May 1138 in England and was buried in Priory Of Lewes, Lewes, Sussex, England.

He married in France, between 1108 and 1118, COUNTESS ISABEL (ELIZABETH) DE VERMANDOIS of Valois, Bretagne, France, daughter of Duke Hugh Crepi and Countess Adelaide (de VERMANDOIS), who was born circa 1081, was christened in 1131, died on 13 Feb. 1131 in England, and was buried in Lewes, Sussex, England.

"The Royal Line" chart erroneously(?) has him as the son of Gundred and grandson of William the Conqueror.

Children:

WILLIAM III4 DE WARENNE, 3RD EARL OF SURREY, b. in June 1118, d. on 19 Jan. 1148 in Laodicea, Syria; m. (AAH-14) ELA TALVAS.

ADA of Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire, England, b. circa 1104, d. in 1178; m. (E-17) HENRY DE HUNTINGDON, EARL in 1139.

GUNDRED DE WARENNE of Warwick, Warwickshire, England, b. between 1107 and 1127, d. after 1167 in Warwickshire; m. (1) ROGER DE NEWBURGH, 2ND EARL OF WARWICK before 1130; m. (2) WILLIAM DE LANCASTER I, 5TH BARON KENDAL circa 1154.

REGINALD DE WARENNE (WARREN) of Vermandois, Normandy, France, b. circa 1113.

RALPH DE WARENNE (WARREN) of Vermandois, Normandy, France, b. circa 1115.

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Elizabeth de Crepi, Countess of Leicester and Meulan

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From the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy Page on Northern France Nobility:

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm

4. ISABELLE [Elisabeth] de Vermandois ([before 1088][1389]-17 Feb 1131, bur Lewes).

The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis refers to (but does not name) the fourth of the daughters of "Hugonem Magnum [et] Adelaide comitissa Veromandensium" as wife of "comiti de Meslent", and parents of "filios, quorum unus successit patri in comitatu, alter comitatum tenuit de Cirecestre"[1390].

Her marriage is recorded by Orderic Vitalis, who names her father and specifies that the marriage formed part of the arrangements he made to settle his affairs before leaving on the First Crusade[1391].

Guillaume de Jumièges names "Elisabeth fille de Hugues-le-Grand comte de Vermandois" as wife of "Guillaume II de Warenne comte de Surrey", specifying that her previous husband had been "Robert comte de Meulan" by whom she had three sons and three daughters[1392].

"Guillelmus filius Guillelmi de Vuarenna" confirmed donations of property to Saint-Victor-en-Caux by "patre meo", for the soul of "uxoris mee Ysabel", by undated charter (a copy of which is attached to a late-12th century transcription of a charter under which Hugh de Mortimer confirmed donations to the monastery), witnessed by "Gislebertus de Grenosavilla, Ysabel comitissa, Radulfus filius comitis…"[1393].

m firstly ([1096], divorced 1115) ROBERT de Beaumont Comte de Meulan, Seigneur de Beaumont-le-Roger, son of ROGER de Vieilles Seigneur de Beaumont-le-Roger & his wife Adeline de Meulan ([1046]-5 or 6 Jun 1118, bur Préaux, monastery of Saint-Pierre).

m secondly (1118) WILLIAM de Warenne Earl of Surrey, son of WILLIAM de Warenne Earl of Surrey & his first wife Gundred --- (-[11 May] 1138, bur Lewes Priory).

This marriage is recorded by Orderic Vitalis, who names her father and specifies that it was part of the arrangements he made to settle his affairs before leaving on the First Crusade[1961].

Guillaume de Jumièges names "Elisabeth fille de Hugues-le-Grand comte de Vermandois" as wife of "Guillaume II de Warenne comte de Surrey", specifying that her previous husband had been "Robert comte de Meulan" by whom she had three sons and three daughters[1962]. She married secondly (1118) William de Warenne Earl of Surrey.

The necrology of Saint-Nicaise de Meulan records the death "XIII Kal Mar" of "Isabel comitissa Mellenti"[1963]. There appears to be no other "Isabelle Ctss de Melun" to whom this can refer apart from Isabelle de Vermandois. However, it is surprising that she is not referred to by the title of her second husband.

Comte Robert & his [second] wife had [nine] children:

1. daughter (1102-) The identity of the daughter is unknown, but she may have been Isabelle, or Aline/Adeline (according to the Europäische Stammtafeln, who names her as betrothed in 1103 to Amaury de Montford)

2. WALERAN de Beaumont (1104-Préaux 9/10 Apr 1166, bur Préaux, monastery of Saint-Pierre). He succeeded his father as Comte de Meulan, and to his fiefs in Normandy.

3. ROBERT de Beaumont "le Bossu" (1104-5 Apr 1168). He succeeded his father as Earl of Leicester.

4. ISABELLE de Beaumont ([1102/07]-after 1172). Mistress of HENRY I King of England, m GILBERT FitzGilbert de Clare Earl of Pembroke, son of GILBERT FitzRichard Lord of Clare & his wife Adelisa de Clermont ([1100]-6 Jan 1148 or 1149, bur Tintern Abbey).

5. HUGH de Beaumont "Hugo pauper" (-after 1140). A favourite of King Stephen who gave him the castle and barony of Bedford in 1138, thereby creating him Earl of Bedford. He left England whereupon his earldom reverted to the crown[1973]. He was ejected from Bedford by the sons of Robert Beauchamp. He appears to have lapsed into poverty and was probably degraded from his peerage [1974]. m daughter of SIMON de Beauchamp

6. ADELINE de Beaumont .m ([1120]) HUGUES [IV] Seigneur de Montfort-sur-Risle,

7. AUBREY de Beaumont . m ([1120]) HUGUES [II] Seigneur de Châteauneuf-en-Thimerais. He rebelled against Henry I King of England in Sep 1123, with his brothers-in-law Waléran de Meulan, Hugues de Montfort and Guillaume Louvel[1982].

8. MATHILDE de Beaumont . m ([1120]) GUILLAUME Seigneur d'Ivry et de Breval He rebelled against Henry I King of England in Sep 1123, with his brothers-in-law Waléran de Meulan, Hugues de Montfort and Hugues de Châteaufneuf[1984].

9. [AGNES . Agnes is shown as the possible daughter of Robert and wife of Guillaume de Say in Europäische Stammtafeln[1985], but the basis for this suggestion is not known. It is possible that there is confusion with Agnes, daughter of Hugues de Grantmesnil, who married "William de Say"]

Earl William & his wife had five children:

1. WILLIAM de Warenne ([1119]-killed in battle Laodicea 19 Jan 1148). He succeeded his father in 1138 as Earl of Surrey. m as her first husband, ELA de Ponthieu, daughter of GUILLAUME [I] "Talvas" Comte d'Alençon & his wife Hélie de Bourgogne [Capet] (-1174).

2. GUNDRED ([1120 or after]-after 1166). m firstly ROGER de Beaumont Earl of Warwick ([1101/02]-12 Jun 1153). m secondly ([Jun 1153/1156]) [as his second wife,] WILLIAM de Lancaster "Taillebois" Lord of Kendale and Lonsdale in Westmoreland in 1166[1002].

3. RALPH (-after [1130]).

4. ADA de Warenne (-1178). m (1139) HENRY of Scotland, Earl of Huntingdon, son of DAVID I King of Scotland & his wife Matilda de St Lis of Huntingdon ([1115]-12 Jun 1152, bur Kelso Abbey, Roxburghshire).

5. RAINALD de Warenne (-1179). Lord of Wormegay, Norfolk. m ALICE de Wormegay, daughter and heiress of WILLIAM de Wormegay, Norfolk & his wife --- (-after 1179).

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http://www.thepeerage.com/p10466.htm#i104653

Elizabeth de Vermandois1

F, #104653, d. 17 February 1131

Last Edited=28 Dec 2009

Elizabeth de Vermandois is the daughter of Hugh de Crépi, Comte de Vermandois et de Valois and Aelis de Vermandois, Comtesse de Vermandois.2,3 She married, firstly, Robert de Meulan, 1st Earl of Leicester, son of Roger de Beaumont, Seigneur de Portaudemer and Adeline de Meulan, in 1096.4 She married, secondly, William II de Warenne, 2nd Earl of Surrey, son of William I de Warenne, 1st Earl of Surrey and Gundreda (?), after 5 June 1118.5 She died on 17 February 1131.

Elizabeth de Vermandois was also known as Isabel de Vermandois.6 She was also known as Isabel de Crépi.2 From 1096, her married name became de Beaumont. Her married name became de Warenne.

Children of Elizabeth de Vermandois and Robert de Meulan, 1st Earl of Leicester

Hugh de Meulan, 1st and last Earl of Bedford7

Isabella of Meulan+1 b. bt 1102 - 1107, d. a 1172

Waleran de Beaumont, 1st and last Earl of Worcester+8 b. 1104, d. bt 9 Apr 1166 - 10 Apr 1166

Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester+8 b. 1104, d. 5 Apr 1168

Children of Elizabeth de Vermandois and William II de Warenne, 2nd Earl of Surrey

Ada de Warenne+9 d. c 1178

Reginald de Warenne+10

William III de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey+5 b. c 1119, d. 19 Jan 1147/48

Gundred de Warenne+10 b. c 1120, d. 1166

Citations

[S106] Royal Genealogies Website (ROYAL92.GED), online ftp://ftp.cac.psu.edu/genealogy/public_html/royal/index.html. Hereinafter cited as Royal Genealogies Website.

[S6] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14 (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 2000), volume VII, page 526. Hereinafter cited as The Complete Peerage.

[S16] Jirí Louda and Michael MacLagan, Lines of Succession: Heraldry of the Royal Families of Europe, 2nd edition (London, U.K.: Little, Brown and Company, 1999), table 64. Hereinafter cited as Lines of Succession.

[S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume VII, page 523.

[S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume XII/1, page 495.

[S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume XII/1, page 496.

[S204] Obituaries, The Economist, London, U.K., 21 May 2004. Hereinafter cited as The Economist.

[S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume XII/2, page 829.

[S11] Alison Weir, Britain's Royal Family: A Complete Genealogy (London, U.K.: The Bodley Head, 1999), page 192. Hereinafter cited as Britain's Royal Family.

[S22] Sir Bernard Burke, C.B. LL.D., A Genealogical History of the Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages of the British Empire, new edition (1883; reprint, Baltimore, Maryland: Genealogical Publishing Company, 1978), page 569. Hereinafter cited as Burkes Extinct Peerage.

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Elizabeth de Vermandois, or Elisabeth or Isabel de Vermandois (c. 1081–13 February 1131), is a fascinating figure about whose descendants and ancestry much is known and about whose character and life relatively little is known. She was twice married to influential Anglo-Norman magnates, and had several children (among whose descendants are numbered many kings and some queens of England and Scotland). Her Capetian and Carolingian ancestry was a source of much pride for some of these descendants (who included these arms as quarterings in their coats-of-arms). However, the lady herself led a somewhat controversial life.

Elizabeth de Vermandois was the third daughter of Hugh Magnus and Adele of Vermandois. Her paternal grandparents were Henry I of France and Anne of Kiev. Her maternal grandparents were Herbert IV of Vermandois and Adele of Vexin.

Her mother was the heiress of the county of Vermandois, and descendant of a junior patrilineal line of descent from Charlemagne. The first Count of Vermandois was Pepin of Vermandois. He was a son of Bernard of Italy, grandson of Pippin of Italy and great-grandson of Charlemagne and Hildegard.

As such, Elizabeth had distinguished ancestry and connections. Her father was a younger brother of Philip I of France and her mother was among the last Carolingians. She was also distantly related to the Kings of England, the Dukes of Normandy, the Counts of Flanders and through her Carolingian ancestors to practically every major nobleman in Western Europe.

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Elizabeth de Vermandois, or Elisabeth or Isabel de Vermandois (ca. 1081 – 13 February 1131), is a fascinating figure about whose descendants and ancestry much is known and about whose character and life relatively little is known. She was twice married to influential Anglo-Norman magnates, and had several children (among whose descendants are numbered many kings and some queens of England and Scotland). Her Capetian and Carolingian ancestry was a source of much pride for some of these descendants (who included these arms as quarterings in their coats-of-arms). However, the lady herself led a somewhat controversial life.

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Elizabeth of Vermandois, or Elisabeth or Isabel de Vermandois (ca. 1081 – 13 February 1131), was a niece of Philip I of France who was twice married to influential Anglo-Norman magnates.

Family

Elizabeth of Vermandois was the third daughter of Hugh Magnus and Adelaide of Vermandois, and as such represented both the Capetian line of her paternal grandfather Henry I of France, and the Carolingian ancestry of her maternal grandfather Herbert IV of Vermandois. Her father was a younger brother of Philip I of France.

Countess of Leicester

In 1096, while under age (and probably aged 9 or 11), Elizabeth married Robert de Meulan, 1st Earl of Leicester. Meulan was over 35 years her senior, which was an unusual age difference even for this time period. He was a nobleman of some significance in France, having inherited lands from his maternal uncle Henry, Count of Meulan, and had fought at the Battle of Hastings in 1066 under the command of his distant kinsman William the Conqueror. For this service, he was awarded English lands in addition to those in Meulan and Normandy he had inherited. However, at the time of the marriage, he held no earldom in England while his younger brother was already styled Henry de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Warwick. Meulan was a respected advisor to three reigning monarchs: William II of England, Robert Curthose of Normandy and Philip I of France.

According to Middle Ages custom, brides were often betrothed young - 8 being the legal age for betrothal and 12 for marriage (for women). The young betrothed wife would often go to her husband's castle to be raised by his parents or other relatives and to learn the customs and ways of her husband's family. The actual wedding would not take place until much later. Some genealogists speculate that the usual age at which a noble bride could expect the marriage to be consummated would be 14. This is consistent with the date of birth of Elizabeth's first child Emma in 1102 when she would be about 15 to 17.

The marriage produced several children, including most notably two twin sons (born 1104) who both become important noblemen. These men, known to historians of this period as the Beaumont twins, were Waleran de Beaumont, Count of Meulan and his younger twin Robert Bossu (the Humpback) or Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester. Another notable child of this marriage was Elisabeth or Isabel de Beaumont, one of the youngest mistresses of Henry I of England and later mother (by her first marriage) of Richard Strongbow.

William II of England died suddenly in a purported hunting accident, and was hastily succeeded not by the expected heir but by the youngest brother Henry. This seizure of the throne led to an abortive invasion by the older brother Duke Robert of Normandy, followed by an uneasy truce between the brothers. The reprieve was only temporary, and there was unrest in both England and Normandy for some time (stirred up by Duke Robert, and by an exiled nobleman Robert of Bellême, 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury). Finally, Henry invaded Normandy and in the Battle of Tinchebray (September 28, 1106) destroyed organized opposition to his takeover of Normandy and imprisoned his ineffectual older brother for his lifetime. Meulan and his brother Warwick were apparently supporters of Henry during this entire period, and Meulan was rewarded with the earldom of Leicester in 1103. By 1107, Meulan was in possession of substantial lands in three domains. In 1111, he was able to revenge himself on the attack on his seat Meulan by Louis VI of France by harrying Paris.

Countess of Surrey

Elizabeth, Countess of Meulan apparently tired of her aging husband at some point during the marriage. The historian Planche says (1874) that the Countess was seduced by or fell in love with a younger nobleman, William de Warenne (c. 1071-11 May 1138) himself the thwarted suitor of Edith of Scotland, Queen consort of Henry I of England. Warenne was said to want a royal bride, and Elizabeth fitted his requirements, even though she was also another man's wife.

In 1115, the Countess was apparently carried off or abducted by Warenne, which abduction apparently concealed a long-standing affair. There was some kind of separation or divorce between Meulan and his wife, which however did not permit her to marry her lover. The elderly Count of Meulan died, supposedly of chagrin and mortification in being thus publicly humiliated, in the Abbey of Preaux, Normandy on 5 June 1118, leaving his properties to his two elder sons whom he had carefully educated.

Elizabeth married, secondly, William de Warenne, 2nd Earl of Surrey, sometime after the death of her first husband. By him, it is alleged, she already had several children (all born during her marriage to Meulan). She also had at least one daughter born while she was living out of wedlock with Warenne (1115-1118). It is unclear whether this daughter was Ada de Warenne, wife of Henry of Scotland or Gundrede de Warenne, wife of Roger de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Warwick (her half-brothers' first cousin).

The later life of Elizabeth de Vermandois is not known. Her sons by her first marriage appear to have a good relationship with their half-brother William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey although on opposing sides for much of the wars between Stephen and Matilda. Her eldest son Waleran, Count of Meulan was active in supporting the disinherited heir William Clito, son of Robert Curthose until captured by King Henry. He was not released until Clito's death without issue in 1128. Her second son Robert inherited his father's English estates and the earldom of Leicester and married the heiress of the Fitzosbern counts of Breteuil. Her daughter Isabel however became a king's concubine or mistress at a young age; it is unclear whether her mother's own life or her eldest brother's political and personal travails in this period played any part in this decision. Before her mother died, Isabel had become wife of Gilbert de Clare, later (1147) Earl of Pembroke, so had adopted a more conventional life like her mother.

Children and descendants

During her first marriage (1096-1115) to Robert de Beaumont, Count of Meulan (d 5 June 1118), Elizabeth had 3 sons (including twin elder sons) and 6 daughters:

* Emma de Beaumont (born 1102), was betrothed as an infant to Aumari, nephew of William, Count of Evreux, but the marriage never took place. She probably died young, or entered a convent.[1]

* Waleran IV de Beaumont, Count of Meulan (born 1104) married and left issue.

* Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester (born 1104) married and left issue (his granddaughter Isabella of Gloucester was the unfortunate first wife of King John.

* Hugh de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Bedford (born c. 1106) lost his earldom, left issue

* Adeline de Beaumont (b ca 1107), married two times:

o Hugh IV, 4th Lord of Montfort-sur-Risle to whom she was married firstly by her brother Waleran;

o Richard de Granville of Bideford (d. 1147)

* Aubree (or Alberee) de Beaumont (b ca 1109), married by her brother Waleran to Hugh II of Châteauneuf-en-Thimerais (possibly son of Hugh I of Châteauneuf-en-Thimerais and his wife Mabille de Montgomerie, 2nd daughter of Roger de Montgomerie, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury)

* Maud de Beaumont (b ca 1111), married by her brother Waleran to William Lovel, or Louvel or Lupel, son of Ascelin Goel, Lord of Ivri.

* Isabel de Beaumont (b Aft. 1102), a mistress of King Henry I of England. Married two times:

o Gilbert de Clare, 1st Earl of Pembroke by whom she was mother of Richard Strongbow, who invaded Ireland 1170;

o Hervé de Montmorency, Constable of Ireland (this marriage is not conclusively proven)

In her second marriage, to William de Warenne, Elizabeth had three sons and two daughters (for a total of fourteen children - nine during her first marriage, and five during her second):

* William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey and Warenne (b. 1119 dspm 1147) whose daughter Isabelle de Warenne, Countess of Surrey married 1stly

o William, Count of Boulogne (dsp), yr son of King Stephen, and married 2ndly

o Hamelin Plantagenet, an illegitimate half-brother of King Henry II of England by whom she had issue, later earls of Surrey and Warenne.

* Reginald de Warenne, who inherited his father's property in upper Normandy. He married Adeline, daughter of William, lord of Wormgay in Norfolk, by whom he had a son William, whose daughter and sole heir Beatrice married first Dodo, lord Bardolf, and secondly Hubert de Burgh;

* Ralph de Warenne (dsp)

* Gundrada de Warenne, (Gundred) who married first

o Roger de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Warwick and had issue; second (as his 2nd wife)

o William de Warenne, 1st Earl of Warenne and Surrey and is most remembered for expelling king Stephen's garrison from Warwick Castle; and they had issue.

* Ada de Warenne (d. ca. 1178), who married Henry of Scotland, 3rd Earl of Huntingdon, younger son of King David I of Scotland, Earl of Huntingdon by his marriage to the heiress Matilda or Maud, 2nd Countess of Huntingdon (herself great-niece of William I of England) and had issue. They were parents to Malcolm IV of Scotland and William I of Scotland and their youngest son, David of Scotland, 8th Earl of Huntingdon, who was ancestor of all Kings of Scotland since 1292.

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was abducted by 2nd husband, William de Warenne, from her 1st husband and after some time and his subsequent death, she married (2nd) William de Warenne, 2nd Earl of Surrey

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Elizabeth de Vermandois, also known as Isabel de Vermandois, is a fascinating figure about whose descendants and ancestry much is known and about whose character and life relatively little is known. She was twice married to influential Anglo-Norman magnates, and had several children (among whose descendants are numbered--besides YOU, of course--many Kings and some Queens of England and Scotland). Her Capetian and Carolingian ancestry was a source of much pride for some of these descendants (who included these arms as quarterings in their coats-of-arms); her father was a younger brother of King Philip I of France, her mother was among the last Carolingians (descending from Charlemagne), and she was also distantly related to the Kings of England, the Dukes of Normandy, the Counts of Flanders, and through her Carolingian ancestors to practically every major nobleman in Western Europe.. However, the lady herself led a somewhat controversial, albeit romantic and passionate, life.

In 1096, while under age (and probably aged 9 or 11), Elizabeth married Robert de Meulan, 1st Earl of Leicester. Meulan was over 35 years her senior, which was an unusual age difference even for this time period. Despite the immense age difference, this was a good marriage for its times.

According to Middle Ages custom, brides were often betrothed young - 8 being the legal age for betrothal and 12 for marriage (for women). The young betrothed wife would often go to her husband's castle to be raised by his parents or other relatives and to learn the customs and ways of her husband's family. The actual wedding would not take place until much later. Some genealogists speculate that the usual age at which a noble bride could expect the marriage to be consummated would be 14. This is consistent with the date of birth of Elizabeth's first child Emma in 1102 when she would be about 15 to 17.

Elizabeth, Countess of Meulan, apparently tired of her aging husband at some point during the marriage. The historian Planche says (1874) that the Countess was seduced by or fell in love with a younger nobleman, our ancestor William de Warenne. Warenne was said to want a royal bride, and Elizabeth fitted his requirements, even though she was also another man's wife.

In 1115, the Countess was apparently carried off or abducted by Warenne, which abduction apparently concealed a long-standing affair. There was some kind of separation or divorce between Meulan and his wife, which however did not permit her to marry her lover. The elderly Count of Meulan died, supposedly of chagrin and mortification in being thus publicly humiliated, in the Abbey of Preaux, Normandy on 5 June 1118, leaving his properties to his two elder sons whom he had carefully educated.

Elizabeth married, secondly, William de Warenne, 2nd Earl of Surrey, sometime after the death of her first husband. By him, it is alleged, she already had several children (all born during her marriage to Meulan). She also had at least one daughter born while she was living out of wedlock with Warenne (1115-1118). It is unclear whether this daughter was Ada de Warenne, wife of Henry of Scotland or Gundrede de Warenne, wife of Roger de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Warwick (her half-brothers' first cousin).

There are no known biographies of Elizabeth de Vermandois, nor any known fictional treatments of her life. What an opportunity for a writer of romantic historical novels!

Elizabeth was our ancestor through four distinct descent lines--through her daughters Isabel (sired by first husband, Robert), Ada, and Gundred (both sired by second husband, William) and through her son William (sired by second husband William), each of whom was independently our ancestor.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_of_Vermandois for more information.

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Also know as Isabel de Vermandois.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_of_Vermandois

Sources:

Keats-Rohan, K.S.B. Domesday Descendants: A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166, II. Pipe Rolls to Cartae Baronum. The Boydell Press, 2002. p. 767.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_of_Vermandois

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also found as Isabel de Countess Vermandois

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lsabel de Vermandois, daughter of Hugh Magnus, Crusader, son of Henry I, King of France.

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From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Elizabeth de Vermandois, or Elisabeth or Isabel de Vermandois (1085? - 13 February 1130/1 17 February 1131), is a fascinating figure about whose descendants and ancestry much is known and about whose character and life relatively little is known. She was twice married to influential Anglo-Norman magnates, and had several children (among whose descendants are numbered many kings and some queens of England and Scotland). Her Capetian and Carolingian ancestry was a source of much pride for some of these descendants (who included these arms as quarterings in their coats-of-arms[1]). However, the lady herself led a somewhat controversial life.

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Family

Elizabeth de Vermandois was the third daughter of Hugh of Vermandois and Adele of Vermandois. Her paternal grandparents were Henry I of France and Anne of Kiev. Her maternal grandparents were Herbert IV of Vermandois and Adele of Valois.

Her mother was the heiress of the county of Vermandois, and descendant of a junior patrilineal line of descent from Charlemagne. The first Count of Vermandois was Pepin of Vermandois. He was a son of Bernard of Italy, grandson of Pippin of Italy and great-grandson of Charlemagne and Hildegard.

As such, Elizabeth had distinguished ancestry and connections. Her father was a younger brother of Philip I of France and her mother was among the last Carolingians. She was also distantly related to the Kings of England, the Dukes of Normandy, the Counts of Flanders and through her Carolingian ancestors to practically every major nobleman in Western Europe.

Countess of Leicester

In 1096, while under age (and probably aged 9 or 11), Elizabeth married Robert de Meulan, 1st Earl of Leicester. Meulan was over 35 years her senior, which was an unusual age difference even for this time period. He was a nobleman of some significance in France, having inherited lands from his maternal uncle Henry, Count of Meulan, and had fought bravely and with distinction at his first battle, the Battle of Hastings in 1066 then aged only 16. His parents Roger de Beaumont, Lord of Beaumont-le-Roger and Pont-Audemar and Adeline of Meulan, heiress of Meulan had died long before; Roger had been a kinsman and close associate of William the Conqueror. Meulan had inherited lands in Normandy after his father died circa 1089, and had also been given lands in the Kingdom of England after his participation in the Norman conquest of England. However, at the time of the marriage, he held no earldom in England while his younger brother was already styled Henry de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Warwick.

Planche states that the bride (Elizabeth) agreed willingly to the marriage, although this means little in the context. Despite the immense age difference, this was a good marriage for its times. Meulan was a respected advisor to three reigning monarchs: William II of England), Robert Curthose of Normandy and Philip I of France.

According to Middle Ages custom, brides were often betrothed young - 8 being the legal age for betrothal and 12 for marriage (for women). The young betrothed wife would often go to her husband's castle to be raised by his parents or other relatives and to learn the customs and ways of her husband's family. The actual wedding would not take place until much later. Some genealogists speculate that the usual age at which a noble bride could expect the marriage to be consummated would be 14. This is consistent with the date of birth of Elizabeth's first child Emma in 1102 when she would be about 15 to 17.

The marriage produced several children, including most notably two sons who were twins (born 1104), and thus remarkable in both surviving and both becoming important noblemen. They are better known to historians of this period as the Beaumont twins, or as Waleran de Beaumont, Count of Meulan and his younger twin Robert Bossu (the Humpback) or Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester. (Readers of Ellis Peters' Cadfael historical mystery series will find both twins mentioned frequently). Another notable child of this marriage was Elisabeth or Isabel de Beaumont, one of the youngest mistresses of Henry I of England and later mother (by her first marriage) of Richard Strongbow.

Some contemporaries were surprised that the aging Count of Meulan (b circa 1049/1050) was able to father so many children, given how busy he was with turmoil in England and Normandy from 1102 to 1110 (or later) and acting as Henry I's unofficial minister. One explanation is offered below; another might simply be an indication of his good health and energy (expended mostly in dashing from one troublespot in Normandy to England back to Normandy).

William II of England died suddenly in a purported hunting accident, and was hastily succeeded not by the expected heir but by the youngest brother Henry. This seizure of the throne led to an abortive invasion by the older brother Duke Robert of Normandy, followed by an uneasy truce between the brothers, followed by trouble in both England and Normandy for some time (stirred up by Duke Robert, and by an exiled nobleman Robert of Bellême, 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury). Finally, Henry invaded Normandy and in the Battle of Tinchebray (September 28, 1106) destroyed organized opposition to his takeover of Normandy and imprisoned his ineffectual older brother for his lifetime. Meulan and his brother Warwick were apparently supporters of Henry during this entire period, and Meulan was rewarded with the earldom of Leicester in 1103. By 1107, Meulan was in possession of substantial lands in three domains. In 1111, he was able to revenge himself on the attack on his seat Meulan by Louis VI of France. He avenged himself by harrying Paris.

Countess of Surrey

Elizabeth, Countess of Meulan apparently tired of her aging husband at some point during the marriage. The historian Planche says (1874) that the Countess was seduced by or fell in love with a younger nobleman, William de Warenne (ca 1071 - 11 May 1138) himself the thwarted suitor of Edith of Scotland, Queen consort of Henry I of England. Warenne, whose mother Gundreda has been alleged (in modern times) to be the Conqueror's daughter and stepdaughter by some genealogists, was said to want a royal bride, and Elizabeth fitted his requirements, even though she was also another man's wife.

In 1115, the Countess was apparently carried off or abducted by Warenne, which abduction apparently concealed a long-standing affair. There was some kind of separation or divorce between Meulan and his wife, which however did not permit her to marry her lover. The elderly Count of Meulan died, supposedly of chagrin and mortification in being thus publicly humiliated, in the Abbey of Preaux, Normandy on 5 June 1118, leaving his properties to his two elder sons whom he had carefully educated.

Elizabeth married, secondly, William de Warenne, 2nd Earl of Surrey, sometime after the death of her first husband. By him, it is alleged, she already had several children (all born during her marriage to Meulan). She also had at least one daughter born while she was living out of wedlock with Warenne (1115-1118). It is unclear whether this daughter was Ada de Warenne, wife of Henry of Scotland or Gundrede de Warenne, wife of Roger de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Warwick (her half-brothers' first cousin).

The later life of Elizabeth de Vermandois is not known. Her sons by her first marriage appear to have a good relationship with their half-brother William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey although on opposing sides for much of the wars between Stephen and Matilda. Her eldest son Waleran, Count of Meulan was active in supporting the disinherited heir William Clito, son of Robert Curthose until captured by King Henry. He was not released until Clito's death without issue in 1128. Her second son Robert inherited his father's English estates and the earldom of Leicester and married the heiress of the Fitzosbern counts of Breteuil. Her daughter Isabel however became a king's concubine or mistress at a young age; it is unclear whether her mother's own life or her eldest brother's political and personal travails in this period played any part in this decision. Before her mother died, Isabel had become wife of Gilbert de Clare, later (1147) Earl of Pembroke, so had adopted a more conventional life like her mother.

There are no known biographies of Elizabeth de Vermandois, nor any known fictional treatments of her life.

Children and Descendants

During her first marriage (1096-1115) to Robert de Beaumont, Count of Meulan (d 5 June 1118), Elizabeth had 3 sons (including twin elder sons) and 6 daughters:

· Emma de Beaumont (born 1102) whose fate is unknown. She was betrothed as an infant to umari, nephew of William, Count of Evreux, but the marriage never took place. She probably died young, or entered a convent.

· Waleran IV de Beaumont, Count of Meulan (born 1104) married and left issue.

· Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester (born 1104) married and left issue (his granddaughter Hawisa or Isabella of Gloucester was the unfortunate first wife of King John.

· Hugh de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Bedford (born c. 1106) lost his earldom, left issue

· Adeline de Beaumont (b ca 1107), married two times:

o Hugh IV, 4th Lord of Montfort-sur-Risle to whom she was married firstly by her brother Waleran;

o Richard de Granville of Bideford (d. 1147)

· Aubree (or Alberee) de Beaumont (b ca 1109), married by her brother Waleran to Hugh II of Châteauneuf-en-Thimerais (possibly son of Hugh I of Châteauneuf-en-Thimerais and his wife Mabille de Montgomerie, 2nd daughter of Roger de Montgomerie, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury)

· Matilda de Beaumont (b ca 1111), married by her brother Waleran to William Lovel, or Louvel or Lupel, son of Ascelin Goel, Lord of Ivri.

· Isabel de Beaumont (b ca 1113), a mistress of King Henry I of England. Married two times:

o Gilbert de Clare, 1st Earl of Pembroke by whom she was mother of Richard Strongbow, who invaded Ireland 1170;

o Hervé de Montmorency, Constable of Ireland (this marriage is not conclusively proven)

Elizabeth de Beaumont also had a daughter by King Henry before her first marriage.

· Agnes de Beaumont (b ca 1115), married Guillaume, Sire de Say.

In her second marriage, to William de Warenne, Elizabeth had three sons and two daughters (for a total of fourteen children - nine during her first marriage, and five during her second):

· William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey and Warenne (b. 1119 dspm 1147) whose daughter Isabelle de Warenne, Countess of Surrey married 1stly

o William, Count of Boulogne (dsp), yr son of King Stephen, and married 2ndly

o Hamelin Plantagenet, an illegitimate half-brother of King Henry II of England by whom she had issue, later earls of Surrey and Warenne.

· Reginald de Warenne, who inherited his father's property in upper Normandy. He married Adeline, daughter of William, lord of Wormgay in Norfolk, by whom he had a son William, whose daughter and sole heir Beatrice married first Dodo, lord Bardolf, and secondly Hubert de Burgh;

· Ralph de Warenne (dsp)

· Gundrada de Warenne, who married first

o Roger de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Warwick and had issue; second (as his 2nd wife)

o William de Warenne, Earl of Warenne and Surrey and is most remembered for expelling king Stephen's garrison from Warwick Castle; and they had issue.

· Ada de Warenne (d. ca. 1178), who married Henry of Scotland, 3rd Earl of Huntingdon, younger son of King David I of Scotland, Earl of Huntingdon by his marriage to the heiress Matilda or Maud, 2nd Countess of Huntingdon (herself great-niece of William I of England) and had issue. They were parents to Malcolm IV of Scotland and William I of Scotland and their youngest son became David of Scotland, 8th Earl of Huntingdon. All Kings of Scotland since 1292 were the descedants of Huntingdon.

The second earl had married Isabella, daughter of Hugh, Count of Vermandois, widow of Robert de Beaumont, earl of Leicester. The arms of Warenne "checky or and azure" were adopted from the Vermandois coat after this marriage.

The original Vermandois arms were "checky or and sable" but there was no black tincture in early medieval heraldry until sable was discovered, being the crushed fur of this animal. A very deep indigo was used instead which faded into blue so the Vermandois arms becams "checky argent and or".

The Vermandois arms were inherited by the earls of Warenne and Surrey, the Newburgh earls of Warwick, the Beauchamp earls of Warwick and Worcester and the Clifford earls of Cumberland.

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William de Warren married Isabel with the consent of the king his father. Her blood indeed was so noble, that the match was hardly unequal, for her father was related to the Normand kings of England, and her mother was a daughter of Hugh the great, earl of Vermandois, and second brother to Philip I. king of France. By the said Henry, this Ada had three sons, and as many daughters, viz. Malcolme, and William,* both kings of Scotland, and David earl of Huntington, &c. Ada, who was married to Floris earl of Holland; Margaret to Conan le Petit earl of Britany; and Maud, who died young. Ada the mother died in 1178.

Isabel, countess of Warren, died Feb. 13, 1131. The earl died May 11, 1138, having enjoyed the title near fifty years, and was buried at his father's feet in the chapter house of Lewes.

*This William, when earl of Northumberland, had so high an opinion of his mother's family, that he called himself William de Warren, as may be seen in a charter of his Brinkeburne priory in Dugdale's Monast. vol. II. p. 203.

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Either married to William de Warenne II Earl of Surrey

OR

Born 1330

Cannot be both.

T Jackson Nov. 2010

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As such, Elizabeth had distinguished ancestry and connections. Her father was a younger brother of Philip I of France and her mother was among the last Carolingians. She was also distantly related to the Kings of England , Dukes of Normandy , Counts of Flanders and, through her Carolingian ancestors, to practically every major nobleman in Western Europe .

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Elizabeth de Vermandois, or Elisabeth or Isabel de Vermandois (c. 1081–13 February 1131), is a fascinating figure about whose descendants and ancestry much is known and about whose character and life relatively little is known. She was twice married to influential Anglo-Norman magnates, and had several children (among whose descendants are numbered many kings and some queens of England and Scotland). Her Capetian and Carolingian ancestry was a source of much pride for some of these descendants (who included these arms as quarterings in their coats-of-arms). However, the lady herself led a somewhat controversial life.

Elizabeth de Vermandois was the third daughter of Hugh Magnus and Adele of Vermandois. Her paternal grandparents were Henry I of France and Anne of Kiev. Her maternal grandparents were Herbert IV of Vermandois and Adele of Vexin.

Her mother was the heiress of the county of Vermandois, and descendant of a junior patrilineal line of descent from Charlemagne. The first Count of Vermandois was Pepin of Vermandois. He was a son of Bernard of Italy, grandson of Pippin of Italy and great-grandson of Charlemagne and Hildegard.

As such, Elizabeth had distinguished ancestry and connections. Her father was a younger brother of Philip I of France and her mother was among the last Carolingians. She was also distantly related to the Kings of England, the Dukes of Normandy, the Counts of Flanders and through her Carolingian ancestors to practically every major nobleman in Western Europe.
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Elizabeth of Vermandois, or Elisabeth or Isabel de Vermandois (ca. 1081 – 13 February 1131), was a niece of Philip I of France who was twice married to influential Anglo-Norman magnates.

Familly

Elizabeth of Vermandois was the third daughter of Hugh Magnus and Adelaide of Vermandois, and as such represented both the Capetian line of her paternal grandfather Henry I of France, and the Carolingian ancestry of her maternal grandfather Herbert IV of Vermandois. Her father was a younger brother of Philip I of France.

Countess of Leicester

In 1096, while under age (and probably aged 9 or 11), Elizabeth married Robert de Meulan, 1st Earl of Leicester. Meulan was over 35 years her senior, which was an unusual age difference even for this time period. He was a nobleman of some significance in France, having inherited lands from his maternal uncle Henry, Count of Meulan, and had fought at the Battle of Hastings in 1066 under the command of his distant kinsman William the Conqueror. For this service, he was awarded English lands in addition to those in Meulan and Normandy he had inherited. However, at the time of the marriage, he held no earldom in England while his younger brother was already styled Henry de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Warwick. Meulan was a respected advisor to three reigning monarchs: William II of England, Robert Curthose of Normandy and Philip I of France.

According to Middle Ages custom, brides were often betrothed young - 8 being the legal age for betrothal and 12 for marriage (for women). The young betrothed wife would often go to her husband's castle to be raised by his parents or other relatives and to learn the customs and ways of her husband's family. The actual wedding would not take place until much later. Some genealogists speculate that the usual age at which a noble bride could expect the marriage to be consummated would be 14. This is consistent with the date of birth of Elizabeth's first child Emma in 1102 when she would be about 15 to 17.

The marriage produced several children, including most notably two twin sons (born 1104) who both become important noblemen. These men, known to historians of this period as the Beaumont twins, were Waleran de Beaumont, Count of Meulan and his younger twin Robert Bossu (the Humpback) or Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester. Another notable child of this marriage was Elisabeth or Isabel de Beaumont, one of the youngest mistresses of Henry I of England and later mother (by her first marriage) of Richard Strongbow.

William II of England died suddenly in a purported hunting accident, and was hastily succeeded not by the expected heir but by the youngest brother Henry. This seizure of the throne led to an abortive invasion by the older brother Duke Robert of Normandy, followed by an uneasy truce between the brothers. The reprieve was only temporary, and there was unrest in both England and Normandy for some time (stirred up by Duke Robert, and by an exiled nobleman Robert of Bellême, 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury). Finally, Henry invaded Normandy and in the Battle of Tinchebray (September 28, 1106) destroyed organized opposition to his takeover of Normandy and imprisoned his ineffectual older brother for his lifetime. Meulan and his brother Warwick were apparently supporters of Henry during this entire period, and Meulan was rewarded with the earldom of Leicester in 1103. By 1107, Meulan was in possession of substantial lands in three domains. In 1111, he was able to revenge himself on the attack on his seat Meulan by Louis VI of France by harrying Paris.

dowager Countess of Surrey

Elizabeth, Countess of Meulan apparently tired of her aging husband at some point during the marriage. The historian Planche says (1874) that the Countess was seduced by or fell in love with a younger nobleman, William de Warenne (c. 1071-11 May 1138) himself the thwarted suitor of Edith of Scotland, Queen consort of Henry I of England. Warenne was said to want a royal bride, and Elizabeth fitted his requirements, even though she was also another man's wife.

In 1115, the Countess was apparently carried off or abducted by Warenne, which abduction apparently concealed a long-standing affair. There was some kind of separation or divorce between Meulan and his wife, which however did not permit her to marry her lover. The elderly Count of Meulan died, supposedly of chagrin and mortification in being thus publicly humiliated, in the Abbey of Preaux, Normandy on 5 June 1118, leaving his properties to his two elder sons whom he had carefully educated.

Elizabeth married, secondly, William de Warenne, 2nd Earl of Surrey, sometime after the death of her first husband. By him, it is alleged, she already had several children (all born during her marriage to Meulan). She also had at least one daughter born while she was living out of wedlock with Warenne (1115–1118). It is unclear whether this daughter was Ada de Warenne, wife of Henry of Scotland or Gundrede de Warenne, wife of Roger de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Warwick (her half-brothers' first cousin).

The later life of Elizabeth de Vermandois is not known. Her sons by her first marriage appear to have a good relationship with their half-brother William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey although on opposing sides for much of the wars between Stephen and Matilda. Her eldest son Waleran, Count of Meulan was active in supporting the disinherited heir William Clito, son of Robert Curthose until captured by King Henry. He was not released until Clito's death without issue in 1128. Her second son Robert inherited his father's English estates and the earldom of Leicester and married the heiress of the Fitzosbern counts of Breteuil. Her daughter Isabel however became a king's concubine or mistress at a young age; it is unclear whether her mother's own life or her eldest brother's political and personal travails in this period played any part in this decision. Before her mother died, Isabel had become wife of Gilbert de Clare, later (1147) Earl of Pembroke, so had adopted a more conventional life like her mother.

Children and Descendants

During her first marriage (1096–1115) to Robert de Beaumont, Count of Meulan (d 5 June 1118), Elizabeth had 3 sons (including twin elder sons) and 6 daughters:

* Emma de Beaumont (born 1102), was betrothed as an infant to Aumari, nephew of William, Count of Évreux, but the marriage never took place. She probably died young, or entered a convent.[1]
* Waleran IV de Beaumont, Count of Meulan (born 1104) married and left issue.
* Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester (born 1104) married and left issue (his granddaughter Isabella of Gloucester was the unfortunate first wife of King John.
* Hugh de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Bedford (born c. 1106) lost his earldom, left issue
* Adeline de Beaumont (b ca 1107), married two times:
o Hugh IV, 4th Lord of Montfort-sur-Risle to whom she was married firstly by her brother Waleran;
o Richard de Granville of Bideford (d. 1147)
* Aubree (or Alberee) de Beaumont (b ca 1109), married by her brother Waleran to Hugh II of Châteauneuf-en-Thimerais (possibly son of Hugh I of Châteauneuf-en-Thimerais and his wife Mabille de Montgomerie, 2nd daughter of Roger de Montgomerie, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury)
* Maud de Beaumont (b ca 1111), married by her brother Waleran to William Lovel, or Louvel or Lupel, son of Ascelin Goel, Lord of Ivri.
* Isabel de Beaumont (b Aft. 1102), a mistress of King Henry I of England. Married two times:
o Gilbert de Clare, 1st Earl of Pembroke by whom she was mother of Richard Strongbow, who invaded Ireland 1170;
o Hervé de Montmorency, Constable of Ireland (this marriage is not conclusively proven)

In her second marriage, to William de Warenne, Elizabeth had three sons and two daughters (for a total of fourteen children - nine during her first marriage, and five during her second):

* William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey and Warenne (b. 1119 dspm 1147) whose daughter Isabelle de Warenne, Countess of Surrey married 1stly
o William, Count of Boulogne (dsp), yr son of King Stephen, and married 2ndly
o Hamelin Plantagenet, an illegitimate half-brother of King Henry II of England by whom she had issue, later earls of Surrey and Warenne.

* Reginald de Warenne, who inherited his father's property in upper Normandy. He married Adeline, daughter of William, lord of Wormgay in Norfolk, by whom he had a son William, whose daughter and sole heir Beatrice married first Dodo, lord Bardolf, and secondly Hubert de Burgh;

* Ralph de Warenne (dsp)

* Gundrada de Warenne, (Gundred) who married first
o Roger de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Warwick and had issue; second (as his 2nd wife)
o William de Warenne, 1st Earl of Warenne and Surrey and is most remembered for expelling king Stephen's garrison from Warwick Castle; and they had issue.

* Ada de Warenne (d. ca. 1178), who married Henry of Scotland, 3rd Earl of Huntingdon, younger son of King David I of Scotland, Earl of Huntingdon by his marriage to the heiress Matilda or Maud, 2nd Countess of Huntingdon (herself great-niece of William I of England) and had issue. They were parents to Malcolm IV of Scotland and William I of Scotland and their youngest son, David of Scotland, 8th Earl of Huntingdon, who was ancestor of all Kings of Scotland since 1292.

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* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_of_Vermandois,_Countess_of_Leicester
* FamilySearch AFN: 8XJB-3Q
* http://www.stirnet.com/genie/data/continent/cc/capet02.php#isaver
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Elizabeth of Vermandois, or Elisabeth or Isabel de Vermandois (c. 1085 – c. 1148), was the third daughter of Hugh Magnus and Adelaide of Vermandois,[1] and as such represented both the Capetian line of her paternal grandfather Henry I of France, and the Carolingian ancestry of her maternal grandfather Herbert IV of Vermandois.[2] As the wife of two Anglo-Norman magnates, Robert de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Leicester and William de Warenne, 2nd Earl of Surrey, she is the ancestress of hundreds of well-known families down to the present time.[3]

Contents
[hide] 1 Life 1.1 Countess of Leicester
1.2 Countess of Surrey

2 Family
3 Ancestry
4 References
5 External links

Life[edit]

Countess of Leicester[edit]

In 1096, Robert de Beaumont, Count of Meulan reputed to be "the wisest man in his time between London and Jerusalem" insisted, in deference to the laws of the church, on marrying a very young Elizabeth, he being over fifty at the time.[4] In early 1096 Bishop Ivo, on hearing of the proposed marriage, wrote a letter banning the marriage and preventing its celebration on the grounds the two were related within prohibited degrees. In April of that year Elizabeth's father count Hugh left on Crusade, his last act being to see his daughter married to count Robert. The crusader was able to convince Pope Urban to issue a dispensation for the marriage which then went forward.[2][4]

Her husband was a nobleman of some significance in France, having inherited lands from his maternal uncle Henry, Count of Meulan, and had fought at the Battle of Hastings as a known companion of William the Conqueror.[5][6] He was rewarded with ninety manors in the counties of Leicestershire, Northamptonshire, Warwickshire and Wiltshire.[7] The count of Meulan was one of Henry I's "four wise counsellors and was one of the king's commanders at the Battle of Tinchebray 28 September 1106.[8] In 1107 Robert became Earl of Leicester.[9]

Countess of Surrey[edit]

Elizabeth, Countess of Meulan apparently tired of her aging husband at some point during the marriage. The historian James Planché says (1874) that the Countess was seduced by or fell in love with a younger nobleman, William de Warenne for whom she left her husband Robert.[10] William II de Warenne had sought a royal bride in 1093 in a failed attempt to wed Matilda of Scotland also known and Edith, who later married Henry I,[11] but obtained a bride of royal blood when he married Elizabeth in 1118, at the death of Earl Robert.[12] Elizabeth survived her second husband William to later die either in 1147–1148.[1][13]

Family[edit]

By her first husband, Robert de Beaumont, Count of Meulan, (d 5 June 1118), Elizabeth had three sons (including twin elder sons) and five or six daughters:[14]
Emma de Beaumont (born 1102),[10] was betrothed as an infant to Aumari, nephew of William, Count of Évreux, but the marriage never took place. She probably died young, or entered a convent.[10]
Waleran IV de Beaumont, Count of Meulan (born 1104) married and left issue.[14]
Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester (born 1104) married and left issue.[14]
Hugh de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Bedford (born c. 1106) lost his earldom, left issue.[14]
Adeline de Beaumont (b ca 1107), married 1stly, Hugh IV, 4th Lord of Montfort-sur-Risle, and 2ndly Richard de Granville of Bideford (d. 1147).[14]
Aubree (or Alberee) de Beaumont (b ca 1109), married Hugh II of Châteauneuf-en-Thimerais.[14]
Maud de Beaumont (b ca 1111), married William Lovel.[14]
Isabel de Beaumont (b Aft. 1102), a mistress of King Henry I of England.[15] She married 1stly Gilbert de Clare, 1st Earl of Pembroke[14] and 2ndly Hervé de Montmorency, Constable of Ireland.[16]

By her second husband, William de Warenne, Elizabeth had three sons and two daughters:[17]
William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey.[17]
Ralph de Warenne.[17]
Reginald de Warenne, who inherited his father's property in upper Normandy, including the castles of Bellencombre and Mortemer[18] He married Adeline, daughter of William, lord of Wormegay in Norfolk, by whom he had a son William (founder of the priory of Wormegay),[18]
Gundrada de Warenne, (Gundred) who married 1stly Roger de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Warwick and had issue, and 2ndly William de Lancaster and had issue.[17]
Ada de Warenne (d. ca. 1178), who married Henry of Scotland, 3rd Earl of Huntingdon, younger son of King David I of Scotland and had issue.[19] She is known as the Queen mother of Scotland for her two sons Malcolm IV, King of Scotland and William I 'the Lion', King of Scotland as well as being the ancestor of numerous Scottish kings

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_of_Vermandois,_Countess_of_Leicester
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(Ben notes: Her father was mostly based from Paris, while her mother was merely born into the family that governed the Vermandois region, then north of Paris. There is nothing that says exactly where or when Isabel, or as she is known in English sources, "Elizabeth", was born, other than it was around 1081. I think the "Priory of Lewes" is probably an assumption based on her burial at Lewes, but that seems to be where most of the Earls of Surrey and their families were buried, so it seems reasonable.)

From the English Wikipedia page on Elizabeth de Vermandois:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_de_Vermandois_(d._1131)

Elizabeth de Vermandois, or Elisabeth or Isabel de Vermandois (ca. 1081 – 13 February 1131), is a fascinating figure about whose descendants and ancestry much is known and about whose character and life relatively little is known.

She was twice married to influential Anglo-Norman magnates, and had several children (among whose descendants are numbered many kings and some queens of England and Scotland). Her Capetian and Carolingian ancestry was a source of much pride for some of these descendants (who included these arms as quarterings in their coats-of-arms[1]). However, the lady herself led a somewhat controversial life.

Family

Elizabeth de Vermandois was the third daughter of Hugh Magnus and Adele of Vermandois. Her paternal grandparents were Henry I of France and Anne of Kiev. Her maternal grandparents were Herbert IV of Vermandois and Adele of Vexin.

Her mother was the heiress of the county of Vermandois, and descendant of a junior patrilineal line of descent from Charlemagne. The first Count of Vermandois was Pepin of Vermandois. He was a son of Bernard of Italy, grandson of Pippin of Italy and great-grandson of Charlemagne and Hildegard.

As such, Elizabeth had distinguished ancestry and connections. Her father was a younger brother of Philip I of France and her mother was among the last Carolingians. She was also distantly related to the Kings of England, the Dukes of Normandy, the Counts of Flanders and through her Carolingian ancestors to practically every major nobleman in Western Europe.

Countess of Leicester

In 1096, while under age (and probably aged 9 or 11), Elizabeth married Robert de Meulan, 1st Earl of Leicester. Meulan was over 35 years her senior, which was an unusual age difference even for this time period.

He was a nobleman of some significance in France, having inherited lands from his maternal uncle Henry, Count of Meulan, and had fought bravely and with distinction at his first battle, the Battle of Hastings in 1066 then aged only 16. His parents Roger de Beaumont, Lord of Beaumont-le-Roger and Pont-Audemar and Adeline of Meulan, heiress of Meulan had died long before; Roger had been a kinsman and close associate of William the Conqueror. Meulan had inherited lands in Normandy after his father died circa 1089, and had also been given lands in the Kingdom of England after his participation in the Norman conquest of England. However, at the time of the marriage, he held no earldom in England while his younger brother was already styled Henry de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Warwick.

Planche states that the bride (Elizabeth) agreed willingly to the marriage, although this means little in the context. Despite the immense age difference, this was a good marriage for its times. Meulan was a respected advisor to three reigning monarchs: William II of England, Robert Curthose of Normandy and Philip I of France.

According to Middle Ages custom, brides were often betrothed young - 8 being the legal age for betrothal and 12 for marriage (for women). The young betrothed wife would often go to her husband's castle to be raised by his parents or other relatives and to learn the customs and ways of her husband's family. The actual wedding would not take place until much later.

Some genealogists speculate that the usual age at which a noble bride could expect the marriage to be consummated would be 14. This is consistent with the date of birth of Elizabeth's first child Emma in 1102 when she would be about 15 to 17.

The marriage produced several children, including most notably two sons who were twins (born 1104), and thus remarkable in both surviving and both becoming important noblemen. They are better known to historians of this period as the Beaumont twins, or as Waleran de Beaumont, Count of Meulan and his younger twin Robert Bossu (the Humpback) or Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester. (Readers of Ellis Peters' Cadfael historical mystery series will find both twins mentioned frequently).

Another notable child of this marriage was Elisabeth or Isabel de Beaumont, one of the youngest mistresses of Henry I of England and later mother (by her first marriage) of Richard Strongbow.

Some contemporaries were surprised that the aging Count of Meulan (b circa 1049/1050) was able to father so many children, given how busy he was with turmoil in England and Normandy from 1102 to 1110 (or later) and acting as Henry I's unofficial minister. One explanation is offered below; another might simply be an indication of his good health and energy (expended mostly in dashing from one troublespot in Normandy to England back to Normandy).

William II of England died suddenly in a purported hunting accident, and was hastily succeeded not by the expected heir but by the youngest brother Henry. This seizure of the throne led to an abortive invasion by the older brother Duke Robert of Normandy, followed by an uneasy truce between the brothers, followed by trouble in both England and Normandy for some time (stirred up by Duke Robert, and by an exiled nobleman Robert of Bellême, 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury).

Finally, Henry invaded Normandy and in the Battle of Tinchebray (September 28, 1106) destroyed organized opposition to his takeover of Normandy and imprisoned his ineffectual older brother for his lifetime. Meulan and his brother Warwick were apparently supporters of Henry during this entire period, and Meulan was rewarded with the earldom of Leicester in 1103.

By 1107, Meulan was in possession of substantial lands in three domains. In 1111, he was able to revenge himself on the attack on his seat Meulan by Louis VI of France. He avenged himself by harrying Paris.

Countess of Surrey

Elizabeth, Countess of Meulan apparently tired of her aging husband at some point during the marriage. The historian Planche says (1874) that the Countess was seduced by or fell in love with a younger nobleman, William de Warenne (c. 1071-11 May 1138) himself the thwarted suitor of Edith of Scotland, Queen consort of Henry I of England. Warenne, whose mother Gundred has been alleged (in modern times) to be the Conqueror's daughter and stepdaughter by some genealogists, was said to want a royal bride, and Elizabeth fitted his requirements, even though she was also another man's wife.

In 1115, the Countess was apparently carried off or abducted by Warenne, which abduction apparently concealed a long-standing affair. There was some kind of separation or divorce between Meulan and his wife, which however did not permit her to marry her lover. The elderly Count of Meulan died, supposedly of chagrin and mortification in being thus publicly humiliated, in the Abbey of Preaux, Normandy on 5 June 1118, leaving his properties to his two elder sons whom he had carefully educated.

Elizabeth married, secondly, William de Warenne, 2nd Earl of Surrey, sometime after the death of her first husband. By him, it is alleged, she already had several children (all born during her marriage to Meulan). She also had at least one daughter born while she was living out of wedlock with Warenne (1115-1118). It is unclear whether this daughter was Ada de Warenne, wife of Henry of Scotland or Gundrede de Warenne, wife of Roger de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Warwick (her half-brothers' first cousin).

The later life of Elizabeth de Vermandois is not known. Her sons by her first marriage appear to have a good relationship with their half-brother William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey although on opposing sides for much of the wars between Stephen and Matilda.

Her eldest son Waleran, Count of Meulan was active in supporting the disinherited heir William Clito, son of Robert Curthose until captured by King Henry. He was not released until Clito's death without issue in 1128.

Her second son Robert inherited his father's English estates and the earldom of Leicester and married the heiress of the Fitzosbern counts of Breteuil.

Her daughter Isabel however became a king's concubine or mistress at a young age; it is unclear whether her mother's own life or her eldest brother's political and personal travails in this period played any part in this decision. Before her mother died, Isabel had become wife of Gilbert de Clare, later (1147) Earl of Pembroke, so had adopted a more conventional life like her mother.

There are no known biographies of Elizabeth de Vermandois, nor any known fictional treatments of her life.

Children and descendants

During her first marriage (1096-1115) to Robert de Beaumont, Count of Meulan (d 5 June 1118), Elizabeth had 3 sons (including twin elder sons) and 6 daughters:

1. Emma de Beaumont (born 1102) whose fate is unknown. She was betrothed as an infant to Aumari, nephew of William, Count of Evreux, but the marriage never took place. She probably died young, or entered a convent.[2]

2. Waleran IV de Beaumont, Count of Meulan (born 1104) married and left issue.

3. Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester (born 1104) married and left issue (his granddaughter Hawisa or Isabella of Gloucester was the unfortunate first wife of King John.

4. Hugh de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Bedford (born c. 1106) lost his earldom, left issue

5. Adeline de Beaumont (b ca 1107), married two times:

-firstly with Hugh IV, 4th Lord of Montfort-sur-Risle to whom she was married firstly by her brother Waleran;

-secondly with Richard de Granville of Bideford (d. 1147)

6.Aubree (or Alberee) de Beaumont (b ca 1109), married by her brother Waleran to Hugh II of Châteauneuf-en-Thimerais (possibly son of Hugh I of Châteauneuf-en-Thimerais and his wife Mabille de Montgomerie, 2nd daughter of Roger de Montgomerie, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury)

7. Maud de Beaumont (b ca 1111), married by her brother Waleran to William Lovel, or Louvel or Lupel, son of Ascelin Goel, Lord of Ivri.

8. Isabel de Beaumont (b Aft. 1102), a mistress of King Henry I of England. Married two times:

-firstly with Gilbert de Clare, 1st Earl of Pembroke by whom she was mother of Richard Strongbow, who invaded Ireland 1170;

-secondly with Hervé de Montmorency, Constable of Ireland (this marriage is not conclusively proven)

In her second marriage, to William de Warenne, Elizabeth had three sons and two daughters (for a total of 14 children - 9 during her first marriage, and 5 during her second):

1. William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey and Warenne (b. 1119 dspm 1147) whose daughter Isabelle de Warenne, Countess of Surrey married:

-firstly to William, Count of Boulogne (dsp), yr son of King Stephen, and married 2ndly

-secondly to Hamelin Plantagenet, an illegitimate half-brother of King Henry II of England by whom she had issue, later earls of Surrey and Warenne.

2. Reginald de Warenne, who inherited his father's property in upper Normandy. He married Adeline, daughter of William, lord of Wormgay in Norfolk, by whom he had a son William, whose daughter and sole heir Beatrice married first Dodo, lord Bardolf, and secondly Hubert de Burgh;

3. Ralph de Warenne (dsp)

4. Gundrada de Warenne, (Gundred) who married:

-firstly with Roger de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Warwick and had issue; second (as his 2nd wife)

-secondly with William de Warenne, 1st Earl of Warenne and Surrey and is most remembered for expelling king Stephen's garrison from Warwick Castle; and they had issue.

5. Ada de Warenne (d. ca. 1178), who married Henry of Scotland, 3rd Earl of Huntingdon, younger son of King David I of Scotland, Earl of Huntingdon by his marriage to the heiress Matilda or Maud, 2nd Countess of Huntingdon (herself great-niece of William I of England) and had issue. They were parents to Malcolm IV of Scotland and William I of Scotland and their youngest son became David of Scotland, 8th Earl of Huntingdon. All Kings of Scotland since 1292 were the descendants of Huntingdon.

The second earl had married Isabella, daughter of Hugh, Count of Vermandois, widow of Robert de Beaumont, earl of Leicester. The arms of Warenne "checky or and azure" were adopted from the Vermandois coat after this marriage.

The original Vermandois arms were "checky or and sable" but there was no black tincture in early medieval heraldry until sable was discovered, being the crushed fur of this animal. A very deep indigo was used instead which faded into blue so the Vermandois arms became "checky or and azure".

The Vermandois arms were inherited by the earls of Warenne and Surrey, the Newburgh earls of Warwick, the Beauchamp earls of Warwick and Worcester and the Clifford earls of Cumberland.

External links

1. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America Before 1700 by Frederick Lewis Weis, Lines: 50-24, 50-25, 53-24, 66-25, 84-25, 88-25, 89-25, 140-24, 170-23 184-4, 215-24

2. [3] My Royal Ancestors [Ancestors of Lady Shirley Cassidy, verified and certified by the Royal Medieval Genealogy Institute of London]

http://royalancestralc.tribalpages.com/

3. Elizabeth de Vermandois [Darryl Lundy's The Peerage page on Elizabeth de Vermandois]

http://www.thepeerage.com/p10466.htm#i104653

4. Vermandois arms used by Isabel's descendants [From The Golden Falcon, chapter IV/2 - Wych]

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pillagoda/ch4-02.htm

See also

1. Elizabeth de Vermandois is also the name of the daughter of Raoul I of Vermandois, brother to this Elisabeth or Elizabeth (d. 1131).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raoul_I_of_Vermandois

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WILLIAM II DE WARREN, 2ND EARL OF SURREY of Sussex, England, son of William, Earl and Gundred, Countess of Surrey, was born circa 1081, died on 11 May 1138 in England and was buried in Priory Of Lewes, Lewes, Sussex, England.

He married in France, between 1108 and 1118, COUNTESS ISABEL (ELIZABETH) DE VERMANDOIS of Valois, Bretagne, France, daughter of Duke Hugh Crepi and Countess Adelaide (de VERMANDOIS), who was born circa 1081, was christened in 1131, died on 13 Feb. 1131 in England, and was buried in Lewes, Sussex, England.

"The Royal Line" chart erroneously(?) has him as the son of Gundred and grandson of William the Conqueror.

Children:

WILLIAM III4 DE WARENNE, 3RD EARL OF SURREY, b. in June 1118, d. on 19 Jan. 1148 in Laodicea, Syria; m. (AAH-14) ELA TALVAS.

ADA of Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire, England, b. circa 1104, d. in 1178; m. (E-17) HENRY DE HUNTINGDON, EARL in 1139.

GUNDRED DE WARENNE of Warwick, Warwickshire, England, b. between 1107 and 1127, d. after 1167 in Warwickshire; m. (1) ROGER DE NEWBURGH, 2ND EARL OF WARWICK before 1130; m. (2) WILLIAM DE LANCASTER I, 5TH BARON KENDAL circa 1154.

REGINALD DE WARENNE (WARREN) of Vermandois, Normandy, France, b. circa 1113.

RALPH DE WARENNE (WARREN) of Vermandois, Normandy, France, b. circa 1115.

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Elizabeth de Crepi, Countess of Leicester and Meulan

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From the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy Page on Northern France Nobility:

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm

4. ISABELLE [Elisabeth] de Vermandois ([before 1088][1389]-17 Feb 1131, bur Lewes).

The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis refers to (but does not name) the fourth of the daughters of "Hugonem Magnum [et] Adelaide comitissa Veromandensium" as wife of "comiti de Meslent", and parents of "filios, quorum unus successit patri in comitatu, alter comitatum tenuit de Cirecestre"[1390].

Her marriage is recorded by Orderic Vitalis, who names her father and specifies that the marriage formed part of the arrangements he made to settle his affairs before leaving on the First Crusade[1391].

Guillaume de Jumièges names "Elisabeth fille de Hugues-le-Grand comte de Vermandois" as wife of "Guillaume II de Warenne comte de Surrey", specifying that her previous husband had been "Robert comte de Meulan" by whom she had three sons and three daughters[1392].

"Guillelmus filius Guillelmi de Vuarenna" confirmed donations of property to Saint-Victor-en-Caux by "patre meo", for the soul of "uxoris mee Ysabel", by undated charter (a copy of which is attached to a late-12th century transcription of a charter under which Hugh de Mortimer confirmed donations to the monastery), witnessed by "Gislebertus de Grenosavilla, Ysabel comitissa, Radulfus filius comitis…"[1393].

m firstly ([1096], divorced 1115) ROBERT de Beaumont Comte de Meulan, Seigneur de Beaumont-le-Roger, son of ROGER de Vieilles Seigneur de Beaumont-le-Roger & his wife Adeline de Meulan ([1046]-5 or 6 Jun 1118, bur Préaux, monastery of Saint-Pierre).

m secondly (1118) WILLIAM de Warenne Earl of Surrey, son of WILLIAM de Warenne Earl of Surrey & his first wife Gundred --- (-[11 May] 1138, bur Lewes Priory).

This marriage is recorded by Orderic Vitalis, who names her father and specifies that it was part of the arrangements he made to settle his affairs before leaving on the First Crusade[1961].

Guillaume de Jumièges names "Elisabeth fille de Hugues-le-Grand comte de Vermandois" as wife of "Guillaume II de Warenne comte de Surrey", specifying that her previous husband had been "Robert comte de Meulan" by whom she had three sons and three daughters[1962]. She married secondly (1118) William de Warenne Earl of Surrey.

The necrology of Saint-Nicaise de Meulan records the death "XIII Kal Mar" of "Isabel comitissa Mellenti"[1963]. There appears to be no other "Isabelle Ctss de Melun" to whom this can refer apart from Isabelle de Vermandois. However, it is surprising that she is not referred to by the title of her second husband.

Comte Robert & his [second] wife had [nine] children:

1. daughter (1102-) The identity of the daughter is unknown, but she may have been Isabelle, or Aline/Adeline (according to the Europäische Stammtafeln, who names her as betrothed in 1103 to Amaury de Montford)

2. WALERAN de Beaumont (1104-Préaux 9/10 Apr 1166, bur Préaux, monastery of Saint-Pierre). He succeeded his father as Comte de Meulan, and to his fiefs in Normandy.

3. ROBERT de Beaumont "le Bossu" (1104-5 Apr 1168). He succeeded his father as Earl of Leicester.

4. ISABELLE de Beaumont ([1102/07]-after 1172). Mistress of HENRY I King of England, m GILBERT FitzGilbert de Clare Earl of Pembroke, son of GILBERT FitzRichard Lord of Clare & his wife Adelisa de Clermont ([1100]-6 Jan 1148 or 1149, bur Tintern Abbey).

5. HUGH de Beaumont "Hugo pauper" (-after 1140). A favourite of King Stephen who gave him the castle and barony of Bedford in 1138, thereby creating him Earl of Bedford. He left England whereupon his earldom reverted to the crown[1973]. He was ejected from Bedford by the sons of Robert Beauchamp. He appears to have lapsed into poverty and was probably degraded from his peerage [1974]. m daughter of SIMON de Beauchamp

6. ADELINE de Beaumont .m ([1120]) HUGUES [IV] Seigneur de Montfort-sur-Risle,

7. AUBREY de Beaumont . m ([1120]) HUGUES [II] Seigneur de Châteauneuf-en-Thimerais. He rebelled against Henry I King of England in Sep 1123, with his brothers-in-law Waléran de Meulan, Hugues de Montfort and Guillaume Louvel[1982].

8. MATHILDE de Beaumont . m ([1120]) GUILLAUME Seigneur d'Ivry et de Breval He rebelled against Henry I King of England in Sep 1123, with his brothers-in-law Waléran de Meulan, Hugues de Montfort and Hugues de Châteaufneuf[1984].

9. [AGNES . Agnes is shown as the possible daughter of Robert and wife of Guillaume de Say in Europäische Stammtafeln[1985], but the basis for this suggestion is not known. It is possible that there is confusion with Agnes, daughter of Hugues de Grantmesnil, who married "William de Say"]

Earl William & his wife had five children:

1. WILLIAM de Warenne ([1119]-killed in battle Laodicea 19 Jan 1148). He succeeded his father in 1138 as Earl of Surrey. m as her first husband, ELA de Ponthieu, daughter of GUILLAUME [I] "Talvas" Comte d'Alençon & his wife Hélie de Bourgogne [Capet] (-1174).

2. GUNDRED ([1120 or after]-after 1166). m firstly ROGER de Beaumont Earl of Warwick ([1101/02]-12 Jun 1153). m secondly ([Jun 1153/1156]) [as his second wife,] WILLIAM de Lancaster "Taillebois" Lord of Kendale and Lonsdale in Westmoreland in 1166[1002].

3. RALPH (-after [1130]).

4. ADA de Warenne (-1178). m (1139) HENRY of Scotland, Earl of Huntingdon, son of DAVID I King of Scotland & his wife Matilda de St Lis of Huntingdon ([1115]-12 Jun 1152, bur Kelso Abbey, Roxburghshire).

5. RAINALD de Warenne (-1179). Lord of Wormegay, Norfolk. m ALICE de Wormegay, daughter and heiress of WILLIAM de Wormegay, Norfolk & his wife --- (-after 1179).

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http://www.thepeerage.com/p10466.htm#i104653

Elizabeth de Vermandois1

F, #104653, d. 17 February 1131

Last Edited=28 Dec 2009

Elizabeth de Vermandois is the daughter of Hugh de Crépi, Comte de Vermandois et de Valois and Aelis de Vermandois, Comtesse de Vermandois.2,3 She married, firstly, Robert de Meulan, 1st Earl of Leicester, son of Roger de Beaumont, Seigneur de Portaudemer and Adeline de Meulan, in 1096.4 She married, secondly, William II de Warenne, 2nd Earl of Surrey, son of William I de Warenne, 1st Earl of Surrey and Gundreda (?), after 5 June 1118.5 She died on 17 February 1131.
Elizabeth de Vermandois was also known as Isabel de Vermandois.6 She was also known as Isabel de Crépi.2 From 1096, her married name became de Beaumont. Her married name became de Warenne.
Children of Elizabeth de Vermandois and Robert de Meulan, 1st Earl of Leicester

Hugh de Meulan, 1st and last Earl of Bedford7

Isabella of Meulan+1 b. bt 1102 - 1107, d. a 1172

Waleran de Beaumont, 1st and last Earl of Worcester+8 b. 1104, d. bt 9 Apr 1166 - 10 Apr 1166

Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester+8 b. 1104, d. 5 Apr 1168

Children of Elizabeth de Vermandois and William II de Warenne, 2nd Earl of Surrey

Ada de Warenne+9 d. c 1178

Reginald de Warenne+10

William III de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey+5 b. c 1119, d. 19 Jan 1147/48

Gundred de Warenne+10 b. c 1120, d. 1166

Citations

[S106] Royal Genealogies Website (ROYAL92.GED), online ftp://ftp.cac.psu.edu/genealogy/public_html/royal/index.html. Hereinafter cited as Royal Genealogies Website.

[S6] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14 (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 2000), volume VII, page 526. Hereinafter cited as The Complete Peerage.

[S16] Jirí Louda and Michael MacLagan, Lines of Succession: Heraldry of the Royal Families of Europe, 2nd edition (London, U.K.: Little, Brown and Company, 1999), table 64. Hereinafter cited as Lines of Succession.

[S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume VII, page 523.

[S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume XII/1, page 495.

[S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume XII/1, page 496.

[S204] Obituaries, The Economist, London, U.K., 21 May 2004. Hereinafter cited as The Economist.

[S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume XII/2, page 829.

[S11] Alison Weir, Britain's Royal Family: A Complete Genealogy (London, U.K.: The Bodley Head, 1999), page 192. Hereinafter cited as Britain's Royal Family.

[S22] Sir Bernard Burke, C.B. LL.D., A Genealogical History of the Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages of the British Empire, new edition (1883; reprint, Baltimore, Maryland: Genealogical Publishing Company, 1978), page 569. Hereinafter cited as Burkes Extinct Peerage.

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Elizabeth de Vermandois, or Elisabeth or Isabel de Vermandois (c. 1081–13 February 1131), is a fascinating figure about whose descendants and ancestry much is known and about whose character and life relatively little is known. She was twice married to influential Anglo-Norman magnates, and had several children (among whose descendants are numbered many kings and some queens of England and Scotland). Her Capetian and Carolingian ancestry was a source of much pride for some of these descendants (who included these arms as quarterings in their coats-of-arms). However, the lady herself led a somewhat controversial life.

Elizabeth de Vermandois was the third daughter of Hugh Magnus and Adele of Vermandois. Her paternal grandparents were Henry I of France and Anne of Kiev. Her maternal grandparents were Herbert IV of Vermandois and Adele of Vexin.

Her mother was the heiress of the county of Vermandois, and descendant of a junior patrilineal line of descent from Charlemagne. The first Count of Vermandois was Pepin of Vermandois. He was a son of Bernard of Italy, grandson of Pippin of Italy and great-grandson of Charlemagne and Hildegard.

As such, Elizabeth had distinguished ancestry and connections. Her father was a younger brother of Philip I of France and her mother was among the last Carolingians. She was also distantly related to the Kings of England, the Dukes of Normandy, the Counts of Flanders and through her Carolingian ancestors to practically every major nobleman in Western Europe.

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Elizabeth de Vermandois, or Elisabeth or Isabel de Vermandois (ca. 1081 – 13 February 1131), is a fascinating figure about whose descendants and ancestry much is known and about whose character and life relatively little is known. She was twice married to influential Anglo-Norman magnates, and had several children (among whose descendants are numbered many kings and some queens of England and Scotland). Her Capetian and Carolingian ancestry was a source of much pride for some of these descendants (who included these arms as quarterings in their coats-of-arms). However, the lady herself led a somewhat controversial life.

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Elizabeth of Vermandois, or Elisabeth or Isabel de Vermandois (ca. 1081 – 13 February 1131), was a niece of Philip I of France who was twice married to influential Anglo-Norman magnates.

Family

Elizabeth of Vermandois was the third daughter of Hugh Magnus and Adelaide of Vermandois, and as such represented both the Capetian line of her paternal grandfather Henry I of France, and the Carolingian ancestry of her maternal grandfather Herbert IV of Vermandois. Her father was a younger brother of Philip I of France.

Countess of Leicester

In 1096, while under age (and probably aged 9 or 11), Elizabeth married Robert de Meulan, 1st Earl of Leicester. Meulan was over 35 years her senior, which was an unusual age difference even for this time period. He was a nobleman of some significance in France, having inherited lands from his maternal uncle Henry, Count of Meulan, and had fought at the Battle of Hastings in 1066 under the command of his distant kinsman William the Conqueror. For this service, he was awarded English lands in addition to those in Meulan and Normandy he had inherited. However, at the time of the marriage, he held no earldom in England while his younger brother was already styled Henry de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Warwick. Meulan was a respected advisor to three reigning monarchs: William II of England, Robert Curthose of Normandy and Philip I of France.

According to Middle Ages custom, brides were often betrothed young - 8 being the legal age for betrothal and 12 for marriage (for women). The young betrothed wife would often go to her husband's castle to be raised by his parents or other relatives and to learn the customs and ways of her husband's family. The actual wedding would not take place until much later. Some genealogists speculate that the usual age at which a noble bride could expect the marriage to be consummated would be 14. This is consistent with the date of birth of Elizabeth's first child Emma in 1102 when she would be about 15 to 17.

The marriage produced several children, including most notably two twin sons (born 1104) who both become important noblemen. These men, known to historians of this period as the Beaumont twins, were Waleran de Beaumont, Count of Meulan and his younger twin Robert Bossu (the Humpback) or Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester. Another notable child of this marriage was Elisabeth or Isabel de Beaumont, one of the youngest mistresses of Henry I of England and later mother (by her first marriage) of Richard Strongbow.

William II of England died suddenly in a purported hunting accident, and was hastily succeeded not by the expected heir but by the youngest brother Henry. This seizure of the throne led to an abortive invasion by the older brother Duke Robert of Normandy, followed by an uneasy truce between the brothers. The reprieve was only temporary, and there was unrest in both England and Normandy for some time (stirred up by Duke Robert, and by an exiled nobleman Robert of Bellême, 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury). Finally, Henry invaded Normandy and in the Battle of Tinchebray (September 28, 1106) destroyed organized opposition to his takeover of Normandy and imprisoned his ineffectual older brother for his lifetime. Meulan and his brother Warwick were apparently supporters of Henry during this entire period, and Meulan was rewarded with the earldom of Leicester in 1103. By 1107, Meulan was in possession of substantial lands in three domains. In 1111, he was able to revenge himself on the attack

1 BIRT 2 DATE ABT. 1085

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Isabel was twice married; first to Robert de Bellomont, Earl ofLiecester, and then to William, 2nd Earl Warren as shown above.

from "Our Folk" by Albert D Hart, Jr.

Eliazbeth or Isabel, Countess of Meulan
Born of Vermandois, Picardy, Frnace
Died or 13 Mar 1131
Baptized or 5 Jan 1935
Endowed or 15 Jan 1935
Died St. Nicaise-de Meulan, D-Seus, Franceo
From Genealogical Library book "House of Adam".

de Crépi, Elizabeth (Isabel)of Vermandois

Died: BEF JUL 1147
Notes:
aka Isabel

Father: de Crépi, Hugh the Great of Vermandois, Count of Vermandois, b.1057

Mother: Vermandois, Adelaide of

Married to de Beaumont, Robert of Meulan, Earl of Leicester 1st

Child 1: de Beaumont, Waleran of Meulan, Earl of Worcester, b. 1104
Child 2: de Beaumont, Isabel (Elizabeth), b. CIR 1104

Married to de Warenne, William, Earl of Warren & Surrey 2

Child 3: de Warenne, William, Earl of Warren & Surrey 3, b. 1119
Child 4: de Warren, Gundred
Child 5: de Warren, Adelaide
Child 6: de Warenne, Ralph
Child 7: de Warenne, RainaldAncestral File Number: 8XJB-1DREFN: 1298

! (1) Named Elizabeth in Visitation of Cornwall, Vivian ed., p.105
(2) Royal Ancestors
(3) d. of Hugh le Grand--CPv7p526+fn"c";had 8 ch. and she remd after 1118
William de Warrene II, widr. (1069)-1138, by whom she had Gundred (1119) whomd
Roger, 2nd Earl--CPv12.1-APPp29+v12.2p362

Ancestral File Number: 8XJB-3Q

Data From Lynn Jeffrey Bernhard, 2445 W 450 South #4, Springville UT 84663-4950
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Ancestral File Number: 8XJB-3Q

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Eliazbeth or Isabel, Countess of Meulan
Born of Vermandois, Picardy, Frnace
Died or 13 Mar 1131
Baptized or 5 Jan 1935
Endowed or 15 Jan 1935
Died St. Nicaise-de Meulan, D-Seus, Franceo
From Genealogical Library book "House of Adam".

! (1) Named Elizabeth in Visitation of Cornwall, Vivian ed., p.105
(2) Royal Ancestors
(3) d. of Hugh le Grand--CPv7p526+fn"c";had 8 ch. and she remd after 1118
William de Warrene II, widr. (1069)-1138, by whom she had Gundred (1119) who md
Roger, 2nd Earl--CPv12.1-APPp29+v12.2p362

! (1) Named Elizabeth in Visitation of Cornwall, Vivian ed., p.105
(2) Royal Ancestors
(3) d. of Hugh le Grand--CPv7p526+fn"c";had 8 ch. and she remd after 1118
William de Warrene II, widr. (1069)-1138, by whom she had Gundred (1119) whomd
Roger, 2nd Earl--CPv12.1-APPp29+v12.2p362

OR "ELIZABETH"; COUNTESS OF LEICESTER

See Planche�s "The Conqueror and His Companions" for a sketch of this lady - Browning. Also called Isabella or Elizabeth. [BROOKES.GED]

Also have birth as aft 1100.

! (1) Named Elizabeth in Visitation of Cornwall, Vivian ed., p.105
(2) Royal Ancestors
(3) d. of Hugh le Grand--CPv7p526+fn"c";had 8 ch. and she remd after 1118
William de Warrene II, widr. (1069)-1138, by whom she had Gundred (1119) whomd
Roger, 2nd Earl--CPv12.1-APPp29+v12.2p362

Source: "The Rufus Parks Pedigree" by Brian J.L. Berry.

Page 80 chart: Isabel de Vermandois

!Availability: The libraries of Ken, Kevin, Karen, Kristen, Brian, Adam, Amy, and FAL.

Source: "Ancestral Roots of Sixty Colonists" by Frederick Lewis Weis.

Page 73 line: (66-24):

24. Isabel de Vermandois (50-24, 53-24), m. (1) Sir Robert de Beaumont, Earl of Leicester. (CP X 351).

!Availability: The library of Ken.

Isabel (or Elizabeth), widow of Robert (DE BEAUMONT), COUNT OF MEULAN and 1st EARL OF LEICESTER (died 5 June 1118), daughter of Hugh DE CRÉPI (styled "the Great"), COUNT OF VERMANDOIS (younger son of HENRY I, KING OF FRANCE), by Adelaide, daughter and heir of Herbert, COUNT OF VERMANDOIS and VALOIS. Isabel survived him and with the consent of her son the 3rd Earl gave the church of Dorking to Lewes priory. She died probably before July 1147. [Complete Peerage XII/1:495-6, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

Note: According to Ancestral Roots, Isabel preceeded William in death in 13 Feb 1130/31--not July 1147.

Ancestral File Number: 8XJB-1D

Isabel (or Elizabeth), widow of Robert (DE BEAUMONT), COUNT OF MEULAN and 1st EARL OF LEICESTER (died 5 June 1118), daughter of Hugh DE CRÉPI (styled "the Great"), COUNT OF VERMANDOIS (younger son of HENRY I, KING OF FRANCE), by Adelaide, daughter and heir of Herbert, COUNT OF VERMANDOIS and VALOIS. Isabel survived him and with the consent of her son the 3rd Earl gave the church of Dorking to Lewes priory. She died probably before July 1147. [Complete Peerage XII/1:495-6, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

Note: According to Ancestral Roots, Isabel preceeded William in death in 13 Feb 1130/31--not July 1147.

Ancestral File Number: 8XJB-1D

Data From Lynn Jeffrey Bernhard, 2445 W 450 South #4, Springville UT 84663-4950
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! (1) Named Elizabeth in Visitation of Cornwall, Vivian ed., p.105
(2) Royal Ancestors
(3) d. of Hugh le Grand--CPv7p526+fn"c";had 8 ch. and she remd after 1118
William de Warrene II, widr. (1069)-1138, by whom she had Gundred (1119) who md
Roger, 2nd Earl--CPv12.1-APPp29+v12.2p362

!BIRTH: "Royal Ancestors" by Michel Call - Based on Call Family Pedigrees FHL
film 844805 & 844806, Family History Library, Salt Lake City, UT. Copy of
"Royal Ancestors" owned by Lynn Bernhard, Orem, UT.

!SOURCE: Data for the family of William de Warenne and Isabel de Vermandois is
taken from the book "Royal Ancestors of Some L.D.S. Families," compiled by
Michel L. Call.

!NOTE: A considerable amount of information is known concerning the ancestry
of Isabel de Vermandois. See the above-referenced book, Pedigree Chart #425.

Data From Lynn Jeffrey Bernhard, 2445 W 450 South #4, Springville UT 84663-4950
email - (XXXXX@XXXX.XXX)

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Elizabeth de Vermandois, or Elisabeth or Isabel de Vermandois (ca. 1081 - 13 February 1131), is a fascinating figure about whose descendants and ancestry much is known and about whose character and life relatively little is known. She was twice married to influential Anglo-Norman magnates, and had several children (among whose descendants are numbered many kings and some queens of England and Scotland). Her Capetian and Carolingian ancestry was a source of much pride for some of these descendants (who included these arms as quarterings in their coats-of-arms[1]). However, the lady herself led a somewhat controversial life.

Family
Elizabeth de Vermandois was the third daughter of Hugh Magnus and Adele of Vermandois. Her paternal grandparents were Henry I of France and Anne of Kiev. Her maternal grandparents were Herbert IV of Vermandois and Adele of Vexin.

Her mother was the heiress of the county of Vermandois, and descendant of a junior patrilineal line of descent from Charlemagne. The first Count of Vermandois was Pepin of Vermandois. He was a son of Bernard of Italy, grandson of Pippin of Italy and great-grandson of Charlemagne and Hildegard.

As such, Elizabeth had distinguished ancestry and connections. Her father was a younger brother of Philip I of France and her mother was among the last Carolingians. She was also distantly related to the Kings of England, the Dukes of Normandy, the Counts of Flanders and through her Carolingian ancestors to practically every major nobleman in Western Europe.

Countess of Leicester
In 1096, while under age (and probably aged 9 or 11), Elizabeth married Robert de Meulan, 1st Earl of Leicester. Meulan was over 35 years her senior, which was an unusual age difference even for this time period. He was a nobleman of some significance in France, having inherited lands from his maternal uncle Henry, Count of Meulan, and had fought bravely and with distinction at his first battle, the Battle of Hastings in 1066 then aged only 16. His parents Roger de Beaumont, Lord of Beaumont-le-Roger and Pont-Audemar and Adeline of Meulan, heiress of Meulan had died long before; Roger had been a kinsman and close associate of William the Conqueror. Meulan had inherited lands in Normandy after his father died circa 1089, and had also been given lands in the Kingdom of England after his participation in the Norman conquest of England. However, at the time of the marriage, he held no earldom in England while his younger brother was already styled Henry de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Warwick.

Planche states that the bride (Elizabeth) agreed willingly to the marriage, although this means little in the context. Despite the immense age difference, this was a good marriage for its times. Meulan was a respected advisor to three reigning monarchs: William II of England, Robert Curthose of Normandy and Philip I of France.

According to Middle Ages custom, brides were often betrothed young - 8 being the legal age for betrothal and 12 for marriage (for women). The young betrothed wife would often go to her husband's castle to be raised by his parents or other relatives and to learn the customs and ways of her husband's family. The actual wedding would not take place until much later. Some genealogists speculate that the usual age at which a noble bride could expect the marriage to be consummated would be 14. This is consistent with the date of birth of Elizabeth's first child Emma in 1102 when she would be about 15 to 17.

The marriage produced several children, including most notably two sons who were twins (born 1104), and thus remarkable in both surviving and both becoming important noblemen. They are better known to historians of this period as the Beaumont twins, or as Waleran de Beaumont, Count of Meulan and his younger twin Robert Bossu (the Humpback) or Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester. (Readers of Ellis Peters' Cadfael historical mystery series will find both twins mentioned frequently). Another notable child of this marriage was Elisabeth or Isabel de Beaumont, one of the youngest mistresses of Henry I of England and later mother (by her first marriage) of Richard Strongbow.

Some contemporaries were surprised that the aging Count of Meulan (b circa 1049/1050) was able to father so many children, given how busy he was with turmoil in England and Normandy from 1102 to 1110 (or later) and acting as Henry I's unofficial minister. One explanation is offered below; another might simply be an indication of his good health and energy (expended mostly in dashing from one troublespot in Normandy to England back to Normandy).

William II of England died suddenly in a purported hunting accident, and was hastily succeeded not by the expected heir but by the youngest brother Henry. This seizure of the throne led to an abortive invasion by the older brother Duke Robert of Normandy, followed by an uneasy truce between the brothers, followed by trouble in both England and Normandy for some time (stirred up by Duke Robert, and by an exiled nobleman Robert of Bellême, 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury). Finally, Henry invaded Normandy and in the Battle of Tinchebray (September 28, 1106) destroyed organized opposition to his takeover of Normandy and imprisoned his ineffectual older brother for his lifetime. Meulan and his brother Warwick were apparently supporters of Henry during this entire period, and Meulan was rewarded with the earldom of Leicester in 1103. By 1107, Meulan was in possession of substantial lands in three domains. In 1111, he was able to revenge himself on the attack on his seat Meulan by Louis VI of France. He avenged himself by harrying Paris.

Countess of Surrey
Elizabeth, Countess of Meulan apparently tired of her aging husband at some point during the marriage. The historian Planche says (1874) that the Countess was seduced by or fell in love with a younger nobleman, William de Warenne (c. 1071-11 May 1138) himself the thwarted suitor of Edith of Scotland, Queen consort of Henry I of England. Warenne, whose mother Gundred has been alleged (in modern times) to be the Conqueror's daughter and stepdaughter by some genealogists, was said to want a royal bride, and Elizabeth fitted his requirements, even though she was also another man's wife.

In 1115, the Countess was apparently carried off or abducted by Warenne, which abduction apparently concealed a long-standing affair. There was some kind of separation or divorce between Meulan and his wife, which however did not permit her to marry her lover. The elderly Count of Meulan died, supposedly of chagrin and mortification in being thus publicly humiliated, in the Abbey of Preaux, Normandy on 5 June 1118, leaving his properties to his two elder sons whom he had carefully educated.

Elizabeth married, secondly, William de Warenne, 2nd Earl of Surrey, sometime after the death of her first husband. By him, it is alleged, she already had several children (all born during her marriage to Meulan). She also had at least one daughter born while she was living out of wedlock with Warenne (1115-1118). It is unclear whether this daughter was Ada de Warenne, wife of Henry of Scotland or Gundrede de Warenne, wife of Roger de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Warwick (her half-brothers' first cousin).

The later life of Elizabeth de Vermandois is not known. Her sons by her first marriage appear to have a good relationship with their half-brother William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey although on opposing sides for much of the wars between Stephen and Matilda. Her eldest son Waleran, Count of Meulan was active in supporting the disinherited heir William Clito, son of Robert Curthose until captured by King Henry. He was not released until Clito's death without issue in 1128. Her second son Robert inherited his father's English estates and the earldom of Leicester and married the heiress of the Fitzosbern counts of Breteuil. Her daughter Isabel however became a king's concubine or mistress at a young age; it is unclear whether her mother's own life or her eldest brother's political and personal travails in this period played any part in this decision. Before her mother died, Isabel had become wife of Gilbert de Clare, later (1147) Earl of Pembroke, so had adopted a more conventional life like her mother.

There are no known biographies of Elizabeth de Vermandois, nor any known fictional treatments of her life.

Children and descendants
During her first marriage (1096-1115) to Robert de Beaumont, Count of Meulan (d 5 June 1118), Elizabeth had 3 sons (including twin elder sons) and 6 daughters:

Emma de Beaumont (born 1102) whose fate is unknown. She was betrothed as an infant to Aumari, nephew of William, Count of Evreux, but the marriage never took place. She probably died young, or entered a convent.[2]
Waleran IV de Beaumont, Count of Meulan (born 1104) married and left issue.
Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester (born 1104) married and left issue (his granddaughter Hawisa or Isabella of Gloucester was the unfortunate first wife of King John.
Hugh de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Bedford (born c. 1106) lost his earldom, left issue
Adeline de Beaumont (b ca 1107), married two times:
Hugh IV, 4th Lord of Montfort-sur-Risle to whom she was married firstly by her brother Waleran;
Richard de Granville of Bideford (d. 1147)
Aubree (or Alberee) de Beaumont (b ca 1109), married by her brother Waleran to Hugh II of Châteauneuf-en-Thimerais (possibly son of Hugh I of Châteauneuf-en-Thimerais and his wife Mabille de Montgomerie, 2nd daughter of Roger de Montgomerie, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury)
Maud de Beaumont (b ca 1111), married by her brother Waleran to William Lovel, or Louvel or Lupel, son of Ascelin Goel, Lord of Ivri.
Isabel de Beaumont (b Aft. 1102), a mistress of King Henry I of England. Married two times:
Gilbert de Clare, 1st Earl of Pembroke by whom she was mother of Richard Strongbow, who invaded Ireland 1170;
Hervé de Montmorency, Constable of Ireland (this marriage is not conclusively proven)
In her second marriage, to William de Warenne, Elizabeth had three sons and two daughters (for a total of fourteen children - nine during her first marriage, and five during her second):

William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey and Warenne (b. 1119 dspm 1147) whose daughter Isabelle de Warenne, Countess of Surrey married 1stly
William, Count of Boulogne (dsp), yr son of King Stephen, and married 2ndly
Hamelin Plantagenet, an illegitimate half-brother of King Henry II of England by whom she had issue, later earls of Surrey and Warenne.
Reginald de Warenne, who inherited his father's property in upper Normandy. He married Adeline, daughter of William, lord of Wormgay in Norfolk, by whom he had a son William, whose daughter and sole heir Beatrice married first Dodo, lord Bardolf, and secondly Hubert de Burgh;
Ralph de Warenne (dsp)
Gundrada de Warenne, (Gundred) who married first
Roger de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Warwick and had issue; second (as his 2nd wife)
William de Warenne, 1st Earl of Warenne and Surrey and is most remembered for expelling king Stephen's garrison from Warwick Castle; and they had issue.
Ada de Warenne (d. ca. 1178), who married Henry of Scotland, 3rd Earl of Huntingdon, younger son of King David I of Scotland, Earl of Huntingdon by his marriage to the heiress Matilda or Maud, 2nd Countess of Huntingdon (herself great-niece of William I of England) and had issue. They were parents to Malcolm IV of Scotland and William I of Scotland and their youngest son became David of Scotland, 8th Earl of Huntingdon. All Kings of Scotland since 1292 were the descendants of Huntingdon.
The second earl had married Isabella, daughter of Hugh, Count of Vermandois, widow of Robert de Beaumont, earl of Leicester. The arms of Warenne "checky or and azure" were adopted from the Vermandois coat after this marriage.

The original Vermandois arms were "checky or and sable" but there was no black tincture in early medieval heraldry until sable was discovered, being the crushed fur of this animal. A very deep indigo was used instead which faded into blue so the Vermandois arms became "checky or and azure".

The Vermandois arms were inherited by the earls of Warenne and Surrey, the Newburgh earls of Warwick, the Beauchamp earls of Warwick and Worcester and the Clifford earls of Cumberland.

External links
Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America Before 1700 by Frederick Lewis Weis, Lines: 50-24, 50-25, 53-24, 66-25, 84-25, 88-25, 89-25, 140-24, 170-23 184-4, 215-24
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Stirnet genealogy database
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Capetian
Warenne earls in 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica
Robert de Beaumont, Earl of Meulan
Vermandois arms used by Isabel's descendants

One souce says died Jul 1147, Countess of Leicester

1 BIRT 2 DATE ABT. 1085

! (1) Named Elizabeth in Visitation of Cornwall, Vivian ed., p.105
(2) Royal Ancestors
(3) d. of Hugh le Grand--CPv7p526+fn"c";had 8 ch. and she remd after 1118
William de Warrene II, widr. (1069)-1138, by whom she had Gundred (1119) whomd
Roger, 2nd Earl--CPv12.1-APPp29+v12.2p362

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Had 14 Children from 2 husbands
1st Husband was Robert De Beaumont
Children:
Emma de Beaumont (born 1102) whose fate is unknown. She was betrothed as an infant to Aumari, nephew of William, Count of Evreux, but the marriage never took place. She probably died young, or entered a convent.

Waleran IV de Beaumont, Count of Meulan (born 1104) married and left issue.

Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester (born 1104) married and left issue (his granddaughter Hawisa or Isabella of Gloucester was the unfortunate first wife of King John.

Hugh de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Bedford (born c. 1106) lost his earldom, left issue.

Adeline de Beaumont (b ca 1107), married two times:
Hugh IV, 4th Lord of Montfort-sur-Risle to whom she was married firstly by her brother Waleran;
Richard de Granville of Bideford (d. 1147)

Aubree (or Alberee) de Beaumont (b ca 1109), married by her brother Waleran to Hugh II of Châteauneuf-en-Thimerais (possibly son of Hugh I of Châteauneuf-en-Thimerais and his wife Mabille de Montgomerie, 2nd daughter of Roger de Montgomerie, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury)

Maud de Beaumont (b ca 1111), married by her brother Waleran to William Lovel, or Louvel or Lupel, son of Ascelin Goel, Lord of Ivri.

Isabel de Beaumont (b Aft. 1102), a mistress of King Henry I of England. Married two times:
Gilbert de Clare, 1st Earl of Pembroke by whom she was mother of Richard Strongbow, who invaded Ireland 1170;
Hervé de Montmorency, Constable of Ireland (this marriage is not conclusively proven)

2nd husband was William de Warenne
Children:
William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey and Warenne (b. 1119 dspm 1147) whose daughter Isabelle de Warenne, Countess of Surrey married 1stly
William, Count of Boulogne (dsp), yr son of King Stephen, and married 2ndly
Hamelin Plantagenet, an illegitimate half-brother of King Henry II of England by whom she had issue, later earls of Surrey and Warenne.

Reginald de Warenne, who inherited his father's property in upper Normandy. He married Adeline, daughter of William, lord of Wormgay in Norfolk, by whom he had a son William, whose daughter and sole heir Beatrice married first Dodo, lord Bardolf, and secondly Hubert de Burgh.

Ralph de Warenne (dsp)

Gundrada de Warenne, (Gundred) who married first
Roger de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Warwick and had issue; second (as his 2nd wife)

William de Warenne, 1st Earl of Warenne and Surrey and is most remembered for expelling king Stephen's garrison from Warwick Castle; and they had issue.

Ada de Warenne (d. ca. 1178), who married Henry of Scotland, 3rd Earl of Huntingdon, younger son of King David I of Scotland, Earl of Huntingdon by his marriage to the heiress Matilda or Maud, 2nd Countess of Huntingdon (herself great-niece of William I of England) and had issue. They were parents to Malcolm IV of Scotland and William I of Scotland and their youngest son became David of Scotland, 8th Earl of Huntingdon. All Kings of Scotland since 1292 were the descendants of Huntingdon.

also married to
Robert De BEAUMONT (AFN: 9FTX-N3) Pedigree
Sex: M Family
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Event(s):
Birth: Abt 1046
Pont-Audemer, Beaumont, Normandy, France
Death: 5 Jun 1118
, , Leicestershire, England
Burial:
, Preaux, Normandy, France
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Parents:
Father: Roger De BEAUMONT (AFN: 9G81-GM) Family
Mother: Adeliza (Adeline) MEULENT (AFN: 9G81-HS)
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Marriage(s):
Spouse: Emma De BRETEULL (AFN: GQPM-RQ) Family
Marriage: Abt 1070
Spouse: Isabel (Elizabeth) De VERMANDOIS (AFN: 8XJB-3Q) Family
Marriage: (div) 1096
France

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