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Alternatieve namen: Gundred Of Flanders, Gundred of England Countess of Surrey
Roepnaam is 5th desputed daughter of King William I of England.
Zij is geboren rond 1063Flanders Belgium.
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England.

Zij is overleden op 27 mei 1085Castle Acre
Norfolk England.
Let op: Overleden (27 mei 1085) voor huwelijk (??-??-1118).
Zij is begraven rond 1085Cluniac Priory at Southover, adjoining Lewes
England.
Een kind van Gherbod de St. Omer
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Gezin van Gundred "5th desputed daughter of King William I of England" de St. Omer Countess of Surrey

Zij is getrouwd met William de Warenne.

Zij zijn getrouwd in het jaar 1118 te England.

Kind(eren):

Edith de Warenne 1080-> 1155
William de Warenne ± 1071-1138

Notities over Gundred "5th desputed daughter of King William I of England" de St. Omer Countess of Surrey

There was never any question of Gundred being an illegitimate daughter of William I, but rather it was a case of a fraudulent claim that she was a legitimate daughter. The reason people used to think that Gundred was a daughter of William the Conqueror was because the monks of Lewes forged some charters which stated that. But I don't think anyone now seriously maintains that these charters are authentic.

Gundred is known to have been a sister of Gerbod, who was briefly earl of Chester under William the Conqueror. It's clear they were members of a Flemish family who were advocates of St Bertin's Abbey in St Omer, and who held Oosterzele and Scheldewindeke, although the genealogy isn't altogether clear.

Chris Phillips

Gundred was a sister of Gerbod the Fleming, earl of Chester, and possibly a daughter of Gerbod, hereditary advocate of the abbey of St. Bertin at St. Omer. Many sources name her as the daughter of William the Conqueror and his wife Matilda, and she has also been put forth as a daughter or stepdaughter of William the Conqueror. This, however, was shown to be false many years ago. She died in childbirth.

David C. Douglas contends in "William the Conqueror: The Norman Impact Upon England" (Berkeley: Univ of Calif Press, 1964): "The view once held that Matilda was already married [to Gerbod] when William sought her hand, and was then the mother of a daughter, Gundrada, later the wife of William de Warenne, has now been conclusively disproved by the researches of Chester Waters and Sir Charles Clay. There is no reason to suppose that Gundrada was the daughter of either William or Matilda."

DD says: "Sister of Gerbod the Fleming,advocate of Saint-Bertin and earl of Chester in 1070, and Frederick. Wife of William I de Warenne. She died in childbirth on 27 May 1085 and was buried in Lewes priory (Mon. Ang. v,12). EYC viii,pp. 6-7; A. J. Farrington, 'A note on Gherbod the Fleming, Earl of Chester', Journal of the Chester Archaeological Society li (1984)."

Hope this helps. Polly Zashin

PLM: There is some doubt in my mind, however. Per your earlier assistance to me; I do now have "The Chartulary of the Priory of St. Pancras of Lewes", vol. I, ed. L. F. Salzman, and published by the Sussex Record Society in 1032. There is a lengthy charter by William Warrene nearly six pages in length; so I will not quote it's entirety, but this bit is curious.

Page 3:

"..., I have given for the welfare of my soul and that of Gundrada my wife and for the soul of my lord King William who brought me into England and by whose license I caused the monks to come and who confirmed my former gift, and for the welfare of my lady Queen Maud the mother of my wife and for the welfare of my lord King William his son after whose coming to England I made this charter and who made me Earl of Surrey,..." UNQ

PLM: It is quite clear from this charter, that Gundrada is the daughter of Queen Maud, and the lack of a reference to William I being the father of Gundrada is highly significant. If I were to rely solely on this evidence, I would have to conclude that Gundrada was NOT the daughter of William I at all.

People have referred to forged charters from Lewes, but what is the basis of these assertions, and which references discuss these "supposedly proven forgeries"? The premise of such an accusation appears to be up side down, in relation to the above charter. It seems illogical to forge a document that makes Gundrada the daughter of the Queen, as opposed to the King of England; which would essentially diminish her social standing, instead of elevating it, as most forgeries tend to do?

Cheers, Phil

Weis, p. 52; 82

Princess of England

Name Prefix: Princess Name Suffix: Of England The foundation charter of the Priory of Lewes, dedicated to St Pancras, expressly states Gundredato have been the Queen's daughter; the words of William de Warenne on the occasion of his founding that house, indubitably prove Queen Matilda to have been her mother, and can be taken in no other sense: the words are, "pro salutedomin ae meae Matildis Reginae matrix uxoris meae." It is therefore self-evident fr om this fact, that Gherbod the Fleming must equally have been Queen Matilda's son, but although sufficient opportunity is afforded Ordericus, he never onc e mentions him as her son, neither does he in any part of his "History" rep resent the Queen to have been united to a previous husband, in fact no trace of such an assertion can be found in any contemporary, or subsequent chronicl er. As to the pretended marriage of (Queen) Matilda with Gherbod the Fleming, and her subsequent divorce, which Mr Stapleton endeavors to maintain, MrBla auw explains at some length how the confusion may have arisen [Archaeol. xxxi i, 120], and we have elsewhere given additional, and we believe conclusive, r easons in disproof of this supposition. Not one of the Norman chroniclers,he observes, with any exception, "has dropped the smallest hint of any husband or child, or consequently any such divorce on the part of Matilda previousto her marriage with the King." All authorities in fact concur in proving the reverse; they all allude to Duke William's affianced bride as a young unmarried girl, pucelle (puella), and the only inference is that William of Normandy was Gundreda's father. Sir H Ellis, in his "Introduction to Domesday" (i.507 ), observes; "Gundreda was really a daughter of the Conqueror. William de War enne's second charter of foundation, granted to Lewes Priory in the reign of Rufus, states this fact distinctly:- Volo ergo quod sciant qui sunt et qui futuri sunt, quod ego Willielmus de Warenna Surreiae comes, donavi et confirm avi Deo et Sancto Pancratio, et monachis Cluniascensibus, quicumque in ipsa e cclesia Sancti Pancratii Deo servient in perpetuum; donavi pro salute animae meae, et animae Gundredae uxoris meae, et pro anima domini mei Willielmi regi s,qui me in Anglecam terram adduxit, et per cujus licentiam monachos venire feci, et qui meam prioreum donationem confirmavit, et pro salute dominae meae Matildis reginae, matris uxoris meae, et pro salute domini mei Willielmi reg is,filii sui, post cujus adventum in Anglicam terram hanc cartam feci, et qu i me comitem Surregiae fecit." (Cott. MS. Vesp. F. XV; Lappenberg, p 216.) G undreda is also acknowledged by the Conqueror himself as his daughter. The ch arter, by which the King gave the manor of Walton, in Norfolk, to the same Pr iory, on its first foundation by W. de Warenne and his wife,5 distinctly styl esher his daughter. He gives it, "pro anima domini et antecessoris mei Regis Edwardi ... et pro anima Gulielmi de Warenna, et uxoris suae Gundredae filia e meae et haeredum suorum." (Intro. Domesd. I. 507.) Again, in the Ledger Bo okof Lewes are these words:- "Iste (William de Warenne), primo non vocabatur nisi solummodo, Willielmus de Warenna, postea vero processu temporis a Willi elmo Rege et Conquestore Angeliae, cujus filiam desponsavit, plurium honoratu s est," etc. (Watson's Memoirs, i. 36.) Those who, relying on Ordericus Vita lis, seek to disprove this fact, insist that the words, "filiae meae" in the Conqueror's charter are an interpolation, but a minute inspection of the orig inalMS. In the Cottonian Library (Vespas. F. iii. Fo. I), in no way warrants this belief; on the contrary, the words "filiae meae" are simply interlined in The Queen, her mother, gave Carleton, on the same occasion, to their new ly-founded Priory at Lewes. explanation of words which were originally written , butwhich have disappeared from decay; indeed

thePeerage.com - Name Index 469 <http://www.thepeerage.com/i469.htm>... Emma de b. bt 985 - 987, d. 14 Mar 1052Geoffrey V de b. 24 Aug 1113, d. 7 Sep 1151 Gerletta de Gundred de b. b 1083 ... www.thepeerage.comEleonora de Elgiva de b. c 1064, d. b 1080

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Source: Church of JC of the LDS "Ancestral File" CD-Rom database, ver 4.17. This source names Gundred as the daughter of William the Conqueror and his wife Matilda.

However, David C. Douglas contends: "The view once held that Matilda was already married [to Gerbod] when William sought her hand , and was then the mother of a daughter, Gundrada, later the wife of William of Warenne, has now been conclusively disproved by the researches of Chester Waters and Sir Charles Clay. There is no reason to suppose that Gundrada was the daughter of either William or Matilda."

He continues in a different section: "But of all this group of Flemish connections, the most interesting was a certain Gerbod, who was probably advocatus of the abbey of Saint-Bertin. Described as Flandrensis, he was apparently the son of another advocatus of the same name, and in 1070 he was entrusted with the earldom of Chester. At about the same time his brother, named Fredric, received lands in East Anglia while his sister, Gundrada, married William of Warenne. It was an important connection, and if it had been established permanently in England, the Flemish element...might have been larger..." But Gerbod returned to Flanders in less than a year, while Fredric was probably killed by the followers of Hereward in 1079.

David C. Douglas, "William the Conqueror: The Norman Impact Upon England" (Berkeley: Univ of Calif Press, 1964) 76 and 392.

See also Charles T. Clay, "Early Yorkshire Charters", V. 8, 40-46 and Chester Waters, "Gundrada de Warenne" (Exeter, 1884) and C. Brunel, "Actes--Comtes de Pontieu", #4.Source: Church of JC of the LDS "Ancestral File" CD-Rom database, ver 4.17. This source names Gundred as the daughter of William the Conqueror and his wife Matilda.

However, David C. Douglas contends: "The view once held that Matilda was already married [to Gerbod] when William sought her hand , and was then the mother of a daughter, Gundrada, later the wife of William of Warenne, has now been conclusively disproved by the researches of Chester Waters and Sir Charles Clay. There is no reason to suppose that Gundrada was the daughter of either William or Matilda."

He continues in a different section: "But of all this group of Flemish connections, the most interesting was a certain Gerbod, who was probably advocatus of the abbey of Saint-Bertin. Described as Flandrensis, he was apparently the son of another advocatus of the same name, and in 1070 he was entrusted with the earldom of Chester. At about the same time his brother, named Fredric, received lands in East Anglia while his sister, Gundrada, married William of Warenne. It was an important connection, and if it had been established permanently in England, the Flemish element...might have been larger..." But Gerbod returned to Flanders in less than a year, while Fredric was probably killed by the followers of Hereward in 1079.

David C. Douglas, "William the Conqueror: The Norman Impact Upon England" (Berkeley: Univ of Calif Press, 1964) 76 and 392.

See also Charles T. Clay, "Early Yorkshire Charters", V. 8, 40-46 and Chester Waters, "Gundrada de Warenne" (Exeter, 1884) and C. Brunel, "Actes--Comtes de Pontieu", #4.

Basic Life Information

Gundred, Gundreda, or Gundrada (died May 27, 1085) was probably born in Flanders, sister of Gerbod the Fleming, Earl of Chester.

Mariage and Children

Gundred married William de Warenne, 1st Earl of Surrey (d. June 20, 1088), who rebuilt Lewes Castle, making it his chief residence. In 1078 he and Gundred founded a Cluniac Priory at Southover, adjoining Lewes, where both were buried. Their children were:

The children of William de Warenne and Gundred were:

William II de Warenne (d. May 11, 1138), buried in Lewes Priory.
Reginald de Warenne, an adherent of Robert of Normandy.
Edith de Warenne, married, firstly, Gerard, Baron de Gournay.

Death and Burial

The Countess died at Castle Acre, Norfolk, one of her husband's estates.

In the course of the centuries which followed both tombstones disappeared from the priory but in 1774 William Burrell, Esq., an antiquary, discovered Gundred's in Isfield Church (seven miles from Lewes), over the remains of Edward Shirley, Esq., (d. 1550), whose father John was Clerk of the Kitchen to King Henry VII, and had it removed on October 2, 1775, to St. John's Church, Southover, the nearest place to its original site, and placed inside and at the south-west corner of the church, where, until 1847, it could be seen on the floor between pews with a very fine inscription detailing its origins etc.

In 1845, during excavations through the Priory grounds for the South Coast Railway, the lead chests containing the remains of the Earl and his Countess were discovered, and deposited temporarily, for the next two years, beneath Gundred's tombstone. In 1847 a Norman Chapel was erected by public subscription, adjoining the present vestry and chancel. Prior to re-interring the remains in this chapel, both cysts were opened to ascertain if there were any contents, which was found to be the case. New cysts were made and used, and the ancient ones preserved and placed in two recessed arches in the southern wall. Gundred's remains in a good state of preservation although the Earl's has lost some lead. Across the upper part of the right arch is the name Gvndrada. Her tombstone is of black marble.

Notes

Historically, she has been made a daughter of William the Conqueror by his spouse Matilda of Flanders, (Bannerman, vol.IV, p.207-209; Burke,The Royal Families vol.1, "Descendants of William the Conqueror", p.iv-v & pedigree LXVIII; Burke,The Roll of Battle Abbey, p.106; Barlow, pages 16 and 160) or of Matilda alone (Stapleton), but Waters and Freeman showed that this could not be supported (Waters, Freeman). See Chandler for an extensive discussion. Other sources suggest that she is daughter of Matilda from a relationship with Gerbod the Fleming prior to her marriage to William the Conqueror.
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Gundred was the wife of William de Warenne. With him, she built Lewes Castle and founded Lewes Priory.

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*Gundred de St. Omer of Flanders Princess of England
born before 1050? Normandy, France
died 27 May 1085 Castle Acre, Acre, Norfolk, England
buried Priory, Lewes, Sussex, England

father:
*Gerbod (Gherbold) de St. Omer of Flanders
born about 1025 Flanders
(end of information)

mother:
*Matilda Countess Of Flanders Queen of England
born about 1031 Flandres
died 2 November 1083 Caen, Normandie
buried Eglise de la Sainte Trinitâe, Caen, Normandie
married 1050 Castle Angi, Normandy, France

siblings:
Gherbold the Fleming Earl of Chester

spouse:
*William I de Warenne
born about 1055 Bellencombe, Seine Inferieure, France
died 24 June 1088 Lewes, Sussex, England
buried Priory of Lewes, Lewes, Sussex, England
married before 1077 Normandy, France

children:
*William II de Warenne born about 1085? Sussex, England
died 11 May 1138 England buried Priory of Lewes, Lewes, Sussex, England
Gundred de Warenne born about 1085 Acre Castle, Acre, Norfolk, England
*Reginald de Warenne born about 1082 Sussex, England
*Editha de Warenne born Sussex, England

biographical and/or anecdotal:
1.*Gundreda is believed to have been the daughter of *Queen Matilda she died in 1085. This theory is supported by a charter of *William de Warren to Lewes Priory, in which he states that his donations, among others, were for Queen Matilda, the mother of his wife. It is conjectured that Grundreda and Gherbold the Fleming, created Earl of Chester, her brother, were the children of Queen Matilda by a former marriage, probably clandestine, and therefore not reported by the historians of the day.

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wife of William de Warenne. (Weis 50-24,2h.m.)

William the Conqueror, Matilda of Flanders and the mystery of Gundred: William the Conqueror, Duke of Normandy and later King of England, married Matilda of Flanders who became Queen of England and bore him at least 9 children. Some Warren genealogies show Gundred (also spelled Gundrada) as the daughter of William the Conqueror. However non-Warren accounts of William's children do not show a daughter Gundred. Although daughters in those days were often mentioned only in a cursory fashion, if at all, the assumption that Gundred was an unnamed youngest daughter of William does not hold up. If she was William's youngest daugher she would have been born after son Henry (born in 1068) and daughter Adela. So if she was born about 1070 she would have been too young for her marriage to William de Warren in which she had 4 or 5 children before her death during childbirth in 1085. More likely she was born about 1050 to 1053 and certainly before 1054 when the Conqueror's first child Robert was born. She was married about 1077 after coming to England from Flanders or Normandy. She is believed to have met William de Warren in England.

So who was Gundred? Certainly she was the wife of William de Warren, Count of Warren at the time of the Conquest and later Earl of Surrey in England. Their marriage occurred after the Conquest of 1066. And certainly Gundred's mother was Matilda of Flanders who became Queen of England. But her father was not William the Conqueror (also known as "William the Bastard" as he was the illegitimate son of Robert, Duke of Normandy). She appears to be the step-daughter of the Conqueror and was older than all of his children (two of whom later became Kings of England).

Who was Gundred's father? The most consistent and logical information is that Matilda had two children by a previous relationship/marriage. Her son was Gherbod the Fleming (also spelled Gerbod) who was later made Earl of Chester by William the Conqueror and her daughter was Gundred. The father of both Gherbod and Gundred was also named Gherbod. He was also a Fleming and he appears to have held the hereitary office of Advocate of the Abbey of Saint Bertin in St. Omers. There is no evidence of what happened to Matilda's relationship/marriage to Gherbod. However William, Duke of Normandy sought her hand in marriage to bolster an alliance with Flanders at a time when he had his hands full with the King of France and the Count of Anjou. William may not have known she was married and had children while he was negotiating his marriage with her father, Baldwin V, Count of Flanders (who may have thought it wise not to mention her situation as he was eager for her to be married to William of Normandy). On the other hand, William was keenly interested in producing an heir and what better way than to marry a woman of proven fertility? By the way, Matilda was the granddaugher of Robert II, "The Pious", King of France. In this line she descended from Charlemagne, King of the Franks and Emperor of the West (742-813 A.D.). I've even seen a genealogy which shows all of Charlemagne's ancestors back to Adam. Believe what you will on that one!

In summary, Gundred was the daugher of the Queen of England, step-daughter of William the Conqueror, half-sister of the next two Kings of England and finally, wife of William de Warren and mother of the line of Warrens who came to America on the Mayflower.

see http://markcarson.com/Family/Scripts/TheWarrens.asp

Descent from Charlemagne, Holy Roman Emperor (742-814) down to Gundred, Countess de Warren (1053-1085) wife of William de Warren
Charlemagne, Holy Roman Emperor (742-814)
Louis I, King of the Franks (778-840)
Adelaide, Princess (824-)
Robert I, King of France (-923)
Hugh "The Great", Count of Paris (900-956)
Hugh Capet, King of France (956-996)
Robert II, King of France (972-1031)
Adelaide, Princess (1009-1079)
Matilda, Queen of England (1031-1083)
Gundred, Countess de Warren (1053-1085)

William the Conqueror, Duke of Normandy and later King of England, married Matilda of Flanders who became Queen of England and bore him at least 9 children. Some Warren genealogies show Gundred (also spelled Gundrada) as the daughter of William the Conqueror. However non-Warren accounts of William's children do not show a daughter Gundred. Although daughters in those days were often mentioned only in a cursory fashion, if at all, the assumption that Gundred was an unnamed youngest daughter of William does not hold up. If she was William's youngest daugher she would have been born after son Henry (born in 1068) and daughter Adela. So if she was born about 1070 she would have been too young for her marriage to William de Warren in which she had 4 or 5 children before her death during childbirth in 1085. More likely she was born about 1050 to 1053 and certainly before 1054 when the Conqueror's first child Robert was born. She was married about 1077 after coming to England from Flanders or Normandy. She is believed to have met William de Warren in England.
So who was Gundred? Certainly she was the wife of William de Warren, Count of Warren at the time of the Conquest and later Earl of Surrey in England. Their marriage occurred after the Conquest of 1066. And certainly Gundred's mother was Matilda of Flanders who became Queen of England. But her father was not William the Conqueror. She appears to be the step-daughter of the Conqueror and was older than all of his children (two of whom later became Kings of England).
Who was Gundred's father? The most consistent and logical information is that Matilda had two children by a previous relationship/marriage. Her son was Gherbod the Fleming (also spelled Gerbod) who was later made Earl of Chester by William the Conqueror and her daughter was Gundred. The father of both Gherbod and Gundred was also named Gherbod. He was also a Fleming and he appears to have held the hereitary office of Advocate of the Abbey of Saint Bertin in St. Omers. There is no evidence of what happened to Matilda's relationship/marriage to Gherbod. However William, Duke of Normandy sought her hand in marriage to bolster an alliance with Flanders at a time when he had his hands full with the King of France and the Count of Anjou. William may not have known she was married and had children while he was negotiating his marriage with her father, Baldwin V, Count of Flanders. On the other hand, William was keenly interested in producing an heir and what better way than to marry a woman of proven fertility?
In summary, Gundred was the daugher of the Queen of England, step-daughter of William the Conqueror, half-sister of the next two Kings of England and finally, wife of William de Warren and mother of the line of Warrens who came to America on the Mayflower.

[1882] "Our Royal Descent from Alfred 'the Great' ..." in Steve Clare papers, p 42, Gundreda

Her birthdate appears to be in error. Perhaps a typo for 1053?

or Matilda?

"Britain's Royal Families ..." by A. Weir says there is no evidence William & Matilda were her parents

[BIGOD-Mel Morris,10Gen Anc.FTW]

TITL Britain's Royal Families: The Complete Genealogy
AUTH Alison Weir
PUBL rev. ed, Pimlico Random House, London 1989, 1996
REPO
J.H. Garner
CALN
MEDI Book
PAGE p 49
TITL University of Hull Royal Database (England)
AUTH Brian Tompsett, Dept of Computer Science
PUBL copyright 1994, 1995, 1996
usually reliable but sometimes includes hypothetical lines, mythological figures, etc
REPO
WWW, University of Hull, Hull, UK HU6 7RX (XXXXX@XXXX.XXX)
CALN
MEDI Electronic
DATA
TEXT An unnamed daughter that Henry agreed to give William de Warenne, but Archbishop Anselm protested on the grounds of consanguinuity because the

Gundred (daughter of Gherbod the Fleming), d. 27 May 1085; m. bef. 1077, William de Warenne, d. Lewes 24 June 1088, created 1st Earl of Surrey, son of Rudolf de Warenne and Beatrice. [Magna Charta Sureties] He married, 1stly, Gundred, sister of Gerbod the Fleming, EARL OF CHESTER, possibly daughter of Gerbod, hereditary advocate of the Abbey of St. Bertin at St. Omer. She died in child-birth, 27 May 1085, at Castle Acre, Norfolk, and was buried the chapter-house at Lewes. [Complete Peerage XII/1:493-5, XIV:604 (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
Note: I think that Gundred was daughter of Gerbod the Fleming, Earl of Chester. He was also advocate of the Abbey of St. Bertin of St. Omer (as CP itself indicated-see notes under Gherbod) . As far as I know there is only one Gerbod. MCS, which has later information than CP, certainly (at least the way I read it) seems to indicate so. (per Jim Weber)
Gundred, wife of William de Warrenne, may have been daughter of Gherbod
the Fleming but she was definitely not a child of Maud of Flanders. A forged charter known to William Dugdale in the 17th century was long believed to indicate that Gundred was actually a daughter of William the Conqueror and Matilda/Maud of Flanders. Once that myth was exploded, however, and it was realized that Gundred might well have been Gherbod's child, another legend got in the way--that Matilda had been married to Gherbod before she married William and that Gundred was the child of this early marriage. Of course, none of this is true. I believe the sources of the early disinformation are sorted out in CP under "Surrey," and if memory serves me aright at this hour of the morning, David Douglas' *William the Conqueror* says something brief about the legends.

Leutner, soc.med, Sept '95] Leaving aside the question of whether the
line back from R. Warren is right (many appear to think it isn't), there
is a major earlier flaw with 'Princess Gundred,' who was not dau. of
William the CQ & Matilda but of unknown parentage. She was sister of
Gerbod the Fleming, Earl of Chester. If I recall, she was at some
point ward of William or in some sense 'stepdaughter.'
[David Collyer ((XXXXX@XXXX.XXX)) 6-11-96] Now I know there has
been a lot of discussion on Gen-Medieval at different times regarding
Gundred, wife of William De WARENNE. While all seem to agree that she is
NOT the daughter of William I (The Conqueror), I see that you have her
as the daughter of his son William II (Rufus). My book, 'Britain's
Royal Families' by Alison WEIR, 1996, says that William II did not
marry, but had one illegitimate child 'Berstrand' (? male/female). No
mention of Gundred. When I turned to Gundred, (Gundrada) WEIR simply
notes that there is no evidence that she was the daughter of either
William I or Matilda of Flanders. I have her (from the Royal Pedigrees,
Uni. of Hull) as being the daughter of Gerbod St.OMER, Advocate of St.
Bertin. Gundred d. 27 May 1085 at Castle Acre, Norfolk; bried, Chapter
House, Lewes, Sussex.

#Générale#Les historiens s'accordent aujourd'hui pour affirmer qu'elle était la soeur de Gherbod le Flamand, l'officieux comte de Chester, confirmant ainsi la filiation donnée par Orderic Vital. Il a existé néanmoins un vif débat autour de son ascendance, certains historiens et généalogistes la considérant comme une fille légitime de Guillaume le Conquérant et de Mathilde de Flandre, ou comme une fille de Mathilde par un précédent mariage inconnu.
La charte de fondation du prieuré de Lewes, contient la phrase latine suivante attribuée à Guillaume de Warenne : ± pro salute dominae meae Matildis Reginae matrix uxoris meae. » (pour [...] la reine Mathilde, mère de ma femme). Par conséquent, il a été fait l'hypothèse que Gundred et son frère Gherbod seraient les enfants de Mathilde, ce qui expliquerait pourquoi Gherbod, un Flamand, se verrait confier le très stratégique comté de Chester suite à la conquête. Ces historiens affirment que le parentage donné par Orderic Vital est suspicieux. En effet, dans la même phrase, il affirme que le roi Guillaume donne le comté de Surrey à Guillaume de Warenne juste après la conquête, ce qui est bien évidemment faux. Toutefois, Allison Weir, dans son ouvrage "Généalogie complète des familles royales britanniques", affirme que la charte de fondation du prieuré est un faux. Autre indice, le Domesday Book mentionne un Frederick comme beau-frère de Guillaume. Ce Frederick étant un flamand, donc frère de Gundred, il est peu probable que la reine ait eu trois enfants d'un mariage sans qu'il n'en reste une trace.

note décès : en couches

#Générale#1ʻ femme

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Gundred was almost certainly born in Flanders, and was a sister of Gerbod the Fleming, 1st Earl of Chester.[2][3][4][5] She is explicitly so called by Orderic Vitalis,[6] as well as the chronicle of Hyde Abbey[7] She was also sister of Frederick of Oosterzele-Scheldewindeke, who was killed c.1070 by Hereward the Wake.[8] Legends based in part on late Lewes priory cartulary[a] suggested '''Gundred was a daughter of William the Conqueror by his spouse Matilda of Flanders''',[9] but this is not accepted by most modern historians.[10][11] The early-19th-century writer Thomas Stapleton had argued she was a daughter of Matilda, born prior to her marriage to Duke William.[12] This sparkeda debate consisting of a series of published papers culminating with those of Edmond Chester Waters and Edward Augustus Freeman who argued the theories could not be supported.[13][14][15] Regardless, some genealogical and historical sources continue to make the assertion that she was the Conqueror's daughter.[16][17][18][19]

Gundred, sister of Gerbod the Fleming

Parents: unknown, NOT Matilda of Flanders, see evidence below.

Decisive negative evidence as to a relationship with William, seems to exist as a letter from Anselm, archbishop of Canterbury, to king Henry I, in which Anselm refuses to condone the marriage of Gundreda's son (William de Warenne) to a daughter of the king, because they were related in the fourth generation on one side and the sixth generation on the other ["Quærit consilium celsitudo vestra quid sibi faciendum sit de hoc quia pacta est filiam suam dare Guillelmo de Vuarenne; cum ipse et filia vestra ex una parte sint cognati in quarta generatione, et ex altera in sexta." Anselm, Epistolæ, iv, 84, PL 159: 245].

Had Gundreda been a daughter of Matilda, then she would be a sister (or half-sister) of Henry, making the betrothed first-cousins, and Anslem would have had better grounds for objection.

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Brother and sister, parents not known. As noted below, one charter suggests that Gundred´s mother was Mathilde de Flandre, wife of William I King of England, by an earlier husband who is not otherwise recorded, but this information is dubious as discussed further below:

1. GERBOD (-after 22 Feb 1071). William I King of England granted the city of Chester and large areas surrounding it to Gerbod, avoué of the abbey of St Bertin in Flanders, in early 1070, whereby he is considered to have been created Earl [of Chester]. According to Orderic Vitalis, Gerbod was "continually molested by the English and Welsh alike"[10]. He returned to Flanders where he fought and was captured at the battle of Cassel 22 Feb 1071[11].

2. GUNDRED (-Castle Acre, Norfolk 27 May 1085, bur Lewes Priory). Her marriage is recorded by Orderic Vitalis who also specifies that she was Gerbod´s sister[12]. "Willelmus de Warenna…Surreie comes [et] Gundrada uxor mea" founded Lewes Priory as a cell of Cluny by charter dated 1080[13]. This charter also names "domine mee Matildis regine, matris uxoris mee", specifying that the Queen gave "mansionem quoque Carlentonam nomine" to Gundred. It is presumably on this basis that some secondary works claim, it appears incorrectly, that Gundred was the daughter of William I King of England. Weir asserts that the charter in question "has been proved spurious"[14], although itis not certain what other elements in the text indicate that this is likely to be the case. Assuming the charter is genuine, it is presumably possible that "matris" was intended in the context to indicate a quasi-maternal relationship, such as foster-mother or godmother. The same relationship is referred to in the charter dated to [1080/86] under which William I King of England donated property in Norfolk to Lewes priory, for the souls of “…Gulielmi de Warenna et uxoris suæ Gundfredæ filiæ meæ”[15]. Gundred died in childbirth. m (1070) as his first wife, WILLIAM de Warenne, son of RODULF [Raoul] de Warenne & his first wife Beatrix --- (-Lewes 24 Jun 1088, bur Lewes Priory). He was created Earl of Surrey in [late Apr] 1088[16], although he and his immediate successors usually styled themselves "Earl de Warenne".

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Gundred, Gundreda, or Gundrada (died 27 May 1085) was probably born in Flanders, sister of Gerbod the Fleming, Earl of Chester. She is explicitly so called by Orderic Vitalis, as well as the chronicle of Hyde Abbey.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gundred

http://www.chesterwiki.com/Gherbod_the_Fleming

Gundred was NOT the daughter of William I of England/Normandy and Matilda of Flanders.

Late Lewes Priory tradition made her daughter of William the Conqueror by his spouse Matilda of Flanders (Bannerman, vol.IV, p.207-209; Burke,The Royal Families vol.1, "Descendants of William the Conqueror", p.iv-v & pedigree LXVIII; Burke,The Roll of Battle Abbey, p.106; Barlow, pages 16 and 160), but this being impossible, Stapleton argued she was daughter of Matilda, born prior to her marriage to William. Waters and Freeman showed that this too could not be supported (Waters, Freeman). See Chandler for an extensive discussion.

Gundred married William de Warenne, 1st Earl of Surrey (d. 20 June 1088), who rebuilt Lewes Castle, making it his chief residence. In 1078 he and Gundred founded a Cluniac Priory at Southover, adjoining Lewes, where both were buried.[2] [3]

The children of William de Warenne and Gundred were:

* William II de Warenne (d. 11 May 1138), buried in Lewes Priory.[5] [6]

* Reginald de Warenne, an adherent of Robert of Normandy.[7]

* Edith de Warenne, married, firstly, Gerard, Baron de Gournay.[8]

The Countess had died at Castle Acre, Norfolk, one of her husband's estates.

In the course of the centuries which followed both tombstones disappeared from the priory but in 1774 William Burrell, Esq., an antiquary, discovered Gundred's in Isfield Church (seven miles from Lewes), over the remains of EdwardShirley, Esq., (d. 1550), whose father John was Clerk of the Kitchen to King Henry VII, and had it removed on October 2, 1775, to St. John's Church, Southover, the nearest place to its original site, and placed inside and at the south-west corner of the church, where, until 1847, it could be seen on the floor between pews with a very fine inscription detailing its origins etc.

In 1845, during excavations through the Priory grounds for the South Coast Railway, the lead chests containing the remains of the Earl and his Countess were discovered, and deposited temporarily, for the next two years, beneath Gundred's tombstone. In 1847 a Norman Chapel was erected by public subscription, adjoining the present vestry and chancel. Prior to re-interring the remains in this chapel, both cysts were opened to ascertain if there were any contents, which was found to be the case. New cysts were made and used, and the ancient ones preserved and placed in two recessed arches in the southern wall. Gundred's remains in a good state of preservation although the Earl's has lost some lead. Across the upper part of the right arch is the name Gvndrada. Her tombstone is of black marble.[4]

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There is some evidence that Gerbod the Fleming had a sister Gundred. The relationship is said to be evidenced by both Orderic Vitalis ("... et Guillelmo de Guarenna qui Gundredam sororem Gherbodi coniugem habebat ..." OV Book iv (2: 264)) and by the chronicle of Hyde abbey ("Quo tempore comes Cistrensis decessit Gerbodo, frater Gundradæ comitissæ, Flandriamque veniens, inimicorum præventus insidiis miserabiliter periit." (Chron. Monast. Hyde, 296)). However there is much dispute as to who the sister married and whether, if at all, Gherbod was related to William I. Decisive negative evidence as to a relationship with William, seems to exist as a letter from Anselm, archbishop of Canterbury, to king Henry I, in which Anselm refuses to condone the marriage of Gundreda's son (William de Warenne) to a daughter of the king, because they were related in the fourth generation on one side and the sixth generation onthe other ["Quærit consilium celsitudo vestra quid sibi faciendum sit de hoc quia pacta est filiam suam dare Guillelmo de Vuarenne; cum ipse et filia vestra ex una parte sint cognati in quarta generatione, et ex altera in sexta."Anselm, Epistolæ, iv, 84, PL 159: 245].

Had Gundreda been a daughter of Matilda, then she would be a sister (or half-sister) of Henry, making the betrothed first-cousins, and Anslem would have had better grounds for objection.

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Gundred, Gundreda, or Gundrada (died 27 May 1085) was probably born in Flanders , sister of Gerbod the Fleming, Earl of Chester.[1]

Gundred married William de Warenne, 1st Earl of Surrey (d. 20 June 1088), who rebuilt Lewes Castle, making it his chief residence. In 1078 he and Gundred founded a Cluniac Priory at Southover, adjoining Lewes, where both were buried.[2] [3]

The Countess had died at Castle Acre, Norfolk, one of her husband's estates.

The children of William de Warenne and Gundred were:

* William II de Warenne (d. 11 May 1138), buried in Lewes Priory.[5] [6]

* Reginald de Warenne, an adherent of Robert of Normandy.[7]

* Edith de Warenne, married, firstly, Gerard, Baron de Gournay.

References

* Bannerman, W.Bruce, FSA., editor, Miscellanea Genealogica et Heraldica, 4th series, London, 1912

* Barlow, Frank, The Feudal Kingdom of England 1012 - 1216, London, 1955

* Burke, John Bernard, The Roll of Battle Abbey, London, 1848

* Burke, John and John Bernard, The Royal Families of England Scotland and Wales, with Their Descendants etc., vol. 1 (1848), vol. 2 (1851), London

* Chandler, Victoria, "Gundrada de Warenne and the Victorian Gentleman-Scholars", Southern History 12 (1990):68-81

* Dunbar, Sir Archibald, Bt., Scottish Kings, a Revised Chronology of Scottish History, 1005 - 1625, Edinburgh, 1899

* Freeman, Edward A., "The parentage of Gundrada, wife of William of Warren", English Historical Review 3 (1888):680-701

* Stapleton, Thomas, "Observations in disproof of the pretended marriage of William de Warren, Earl of Surrey, with a daughter begotten of Matildis, daughter of Baldwin, Comte of Flanders, by William the Conqueror, and illustrative of the origin and early history of the family in Normandy", The Archaeological Journal 3 (1846):1-26

* Waters, Edmond Chester, "Gundreda de Warrenne", The Archaeological Journal 41 (1884):300-312

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Gundred (c. 1063 – 1085), wife of William de Warenne (c. 1055 – 1088), was formerly thought of as being yet another of Matilda's daughters, with speculation that she was William I's full daughter, a stepdaughter, or even a foundling or adopted daughter. However, this connection to William I has now been firmly debunked.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matilda_of_Flanders

Gundred, Gundreda, or Gundrada (died 27 May 1085) was probably born in Flanders , sister of Gerbod the Fleming, Earl of Chester.[1]

Gundred married William de Warenne, 1st Earl of Surrey (d. 20 June 1088), who rebuilt Lewes Castle, making it his chief residence. In 1078 he and Gundred founded a Cluniac Priory at Southover, adjoining Lewes, where both were buried.[2][3]

The Countess had died at Castle Acre, Norfolk, one of her husband's estates.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gundred

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http://thepeerage.com/p448.htm#i4478

Gundreda (?)

F, #4478, d. 27 May 1085

Last Edited=7 Dec 2005

Gundreda (?) married William I de Warenne, 1st Earl of Surrey, son of Rudolph de Warenne and Beatrice (?).1 She died on 27 May 1085.

Child of Gundreda (?) and William I de Warenne, 1st Earl of Surrey

William II de Warenne, 2nd Earl of Surrey+2 d. c 11 May 1138

Citations

[S6] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14 (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 2000), volume XII/1, page 494. Hereinafter cited as The Complete Peerage.

[S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume XII/1, page 496.

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http://www.renderplus.com/hartgen/htm/de-warenne.htm

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From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Gundred, Countess of Surrey (died May 27, 1085) was probably born in Flanders, sister of Gerbod the Fleming, Earl of Chester.[1]

It has been said that Gundred was not the daughter of William I of England, the Conqueror, but that she was the daughter of Matilda of Flanders by, perhaps, a previous marriage. The Invincible Magazine, Vol. 1, No. 5, p. 26, says that the inscription on Gundred's tombstone describes her as wife of William de Warren and daughter of Wm., the Conqueror. Also in Burke's Dormant and Extinct Peerage, pp. 154, 568 and 588, she is called daughter by Wm., the Conqueror, in a charter signed by Wm., William de Warren and Henry I, son of William, the Conqueror. Thus proving this much discussed question. [2]

Gundred married William de Warenne, 1st Earl of Surrey (d. June 20, 1088), who rebuilt Lewes Castle, making it his chief residence. In 1078 he and Gundred founded a Cluniac Priory at Southover, adjoining Lewes, where both were buried.[3] [4]

The Countess had died at Castle Acre, Norfolk, one of her husband's estates.

In the course of the centuries which followed both tombstones disappeared from the priory but in 1774 William Burrell, Esq., an antiquary, discovered Gundred's in Isfield Church (seven miles from Lewes), over the remains of EdwardShirley, Esq., (d. 1550), whose father John was Clerk of the Kitchen to King Henry VII, and had it removed on October 2, 1775, to St. John's Church, Southover, the nearest place to its original site, and placed inside and at the south-west corner of the church, where, until 1847, it could be seen on the floor between pews with a very fine inscription detailing its origins etc.

In 1845, during excavations through the Priory grounds for the South Coast Railway, the lead chests containing the remains of the Earl and his Countess were discovered, and deposited temporarily, for the next two years, beneath Gundred's tombstone. In 1847 a Norman Chapel was erected by public subscription, adjoining the present vestry and chancel. Prior to re-interring the remains in this chapel, both cysts were opened to ascertain if there were any contents, which was found to be the case. New cysts were made and used, and the ancient ones preserved and placed in two recessed arches in the southern wall. Gundred's remains in a good state of preservation although the Earl's has lost some lead. Across the upper part of the right arch is the name Gvndrada. Her tombstone is of black marble.[5]

The children of William de Warenne and Gundred were:

William II de Warenne (d. May 11, 1138), buried in Lewes Priory.[6] [7]

Reginald de Warenne, an adherent of Robert of Normandy.[8]

Edith de Warenne, married, firstly, Gerard, Baron de Gournay.[9]

Notes

^ She is explicitly so called by Orderic Vitalis, as well as the chronicle of Hyde Abbey. Historically, she has been made a daughter of William the Conqueror by his spouse Matilda of Flanders, (Bannerman, vol.IV, p.207-209; Burke,The Royal Families vol.1, "Descendants of William the Conqueror", p.iv-v & pedigree LXVIII; Burke,The Roll of Battle Abbey, p.106; Barlow, pages 16 and 160) or of Matilda alone (Stapleton), but Waters and Freeman showed that this could not be supported (Waters, Freeman). See Chandler for an extensive discussion. Other sources suggest that she is daughter of Matilda from a relationship with Gerbod the Fleming prior to her marriage to William the Conqueror.

^ Genealogy of Family Warenne

^ Burke, The Roll of Battle Abbey, pps: 57, and 105-106

^ Bannerman, vol.IV, p.208

^ Bannerman, vol.IV, p.208 - 210

^ Burke, The Royal Families , vol. 1, pedigrees III and LXVIII, plus vol.2 (1851) pages iv, xlvii, and pedigree XXIX.

^ Dunbar, pps: 65 &71.

^ Burke, The Royal Families of England , vol. 2, page v.

^ Burke, The Royal Families , vol. 2, pages v and vii.

References

Bannerman, W.Bruce, FSA., editor, Miscellanea Genealogica et Heraldica, 4th series, London, 1912

Barlow, Frank, The Feudal Kingdom of England 1012 - 1216, London, 1955

Burke, John Bernard, The Roll of Battle Abbey, London, 1848

Burke, John and John Bernard, The Royal Families of England Scotland and Wales, with Their Descendants etc., vol. 1 (1848), vol. 2 (1851), London

Chandler, Victoria, "Gundrada de Warenne and the Victorian Gentleman-Scholars", Southern History 12 (1990):68-81

Dunbar, Sir Archibald, Bt., Scottish Kings, a Revised Chronology of Scottish History, 1005 - 1625, Edinburgh, 1899

Freeman, Edward A., "The parentage of Gundrada, wife of William of Warren", English Historical Review 3 (1888):680-701

Stapleton, Thomas, "Observations in disproof of the pretended marriage of William de Warren, Earl of Surrey, with a daughter begotten of Matildis, daughter of Baldwin, Comte of Flanders, by William the Conqueror, and illustrative of the origin and early history of the family in Normandy", The Archaeological Journal 3 (1846):1-26

Waters, Edmond Chester, "Gundreda de Warrenne", The Archaeological Journal 41 (1884):300-312

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Gundred, Gundreda, or Gundrada (died May 27, 1085) was probably born in Flanders , sister of Gerbod the Fleming, Earl of Chester.

Gundred married William de Warenne, 1st Earl of Surrey (d. June 20, 1088), who rebuilt Lewes Castle, making it his chief residence. In 1078 he and Gundred founded a Cluniac Priory at Southover, adjoining Lewes, where both were buried.

The Countess had died at Castle Acre, Norfolk, one of her husband's estates.

In the course of the centuries which followed both tombstones disappeared from the priory but in 1774 William Burrell, Esq., an antiquary, discovered Gundred's in Isfield Church (seven miles from Lewes), over the remains of EdwardShirley, Esq., (d. 1550), whose father John was Clerk of the Kitchen to King Henry VII, and had it removed on October 2, 1775, to St. John's Church, Southover, the nearest place to its original site, and placed inside and at the south-west corner of the church, where, until 1847, it could be seen on the floor between pews with a very fine inscription detailing its origins etc.

In 1845, during excavations through the Priory grounds for the South Coast Railway, the lead chests containing the remains of the Earl and his Countess were discovered, and deposited temporarily, for the next two years, beneath Gundred's tombstone. In 1847 a Norman Chapel was erected by public subscription, adjoining the present vestry and chancel. Prior to re-interring the remains in this chapel, both cysts were opened to ascertain if there were any contents, which was found to be the case. New cysts were made and used, and the ancient ones preserved and placed in two recessed arches in the southern wall. Gundred's remains in a good state of preservation although the Earl's has lost some lead. Across the upper part of the right arch is the name Gvndrada. Her tombstone is of black marble.

The children of William de Warenne and Gundred were:

William II de Warenne (d. May 11, 1138), buried in Lewes Priory.

Reginald de Warenne, an adherent of Robert of Normandy.

Edith de Warenne, married, firstly, Gerard, Baron de Gournay.

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Gundred

Parents unknown Possibly but doubtfully, Mathilda (w/o William I) and an earlier unknown husband

From Medlands:

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL.htm#GundredMWilliamWarenne

Brother and sister, parents not known. As noted below, one charter suggests that Gundred´s mother was Mathilde de Flandre, wife of William I King of England, by an earlier husband who is not otherwise recorded, but this information is dubious as discussed further below:

1. GERBOD (-after 22 Feb 1071). William I King of England granted the city of Chester and large areas surrounding it to Gerbod, avoué of the abbey of St Bertin in Flanders, in early 1070, whereby he is considered to have been created Earl [of Chester]. According to Orderic Vitalis, Gerbod was "continually molested by the English and Welsh alike"[10]. He returned to Flanders where he fought and was captured at the battle of Cassel 22 Feb 1071[11].

2. GUNDRED (-Castle Acre, Norfolk 27 May 1085, bur Lewes Priory). Her marriage is recorded by Orderic Vitalis who also specifies that she was Gerbod´s sister[12]. "Willelmus de Warenna…Surreie comes [et] Gundrada uxor mea" founded Lewes Priory as a cell of Cluny by charter dated 1080[13]. This charter also names "domine mee Matildis regine, matris uxoris mee", specifying that the Queen gave "mansionem quoque Carlentonam nomine" to Gundred. It is presumably on this basis that some secondary works claim, it appears incorrectly, that Gundred was the daughter of William I King of England. Weir asserts that the charter in question "has been proved spurious"[14], although itis not certain what other elements in the text indicate that this is likely to be the case. Assuming the charter is genuine, it is presumably possible that "matris" was intended in the context to indicate a quasi-maternal relationship, such as foster-mother or godmother. The same relationship is referred to in the charter dated to [1080/86] under which William I King of England donated property in Norfolk to Lewes priory, for the souls of “…Gulielmi de Warenna et uxoris suæ Gundfredæ filiæ meæ”[15]. Gundred died in childbirth. m (1070) as his first wife, WILLIAM de Warenne, son of RODULF [Raoul] de Warenne & his first wife Beatrix --- (-Lewes 24 Jun 1088, bur Lewes Priory). He was created Earl of Surrey in [late Apr] 1088[16], although he and his immediate successors usually styled themselves "Earl de Warenne".

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Princess Gundred - It has been said that Gundred was not the daughter of William, the Conqueror, but that she was the daughter of Matilda of Flanders by, perhaps, a previous marriage. The Invincible Magazine, Vol. 1, No. 5, p. 26,says that the inseription on Gundred's tombstone describes her as wife of William de Warren and daughter of Wm., the Conqueror. Also in Burke's Dormant and Extinct Peerage, pp. 154, 568 and 588, she is called daughter by Wm., theConqueror, in a charter signed by Wm., William de Warren and Henry I, son of William, the Conqueror. Thus proving this much discussed question. E. E. W)

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Said to have also been Countess of Surrey

Gundred, Princess of England de St Omer of Flanders Born: Bef 1050, Normandy, France

Married Bef 1077, Normandy, France, to William I, Earl of Warrenne de Warenne

Died: 27 May 1085, Castle Acre, Acre, Norfolk, England

buried Priory, Lewes, Sussex, England

Gundreda is believed to have been the daughter of *Queen Matilda she died in 1085. This theory is supported by a charter of *William de Warren to Lewes Priory, in which he states that his donations, among others, were for Queen Matilda, the mother of his wife. It is conjectured that Grundreda and Gherbold the Fleming, created Earl of Chester, her brother, were the children of Queen Matilda by a former marriage, probably clandestine, and therefore not reported by the historians of the day.

Children with: William I, Earl of Warrenne de Warenne

Children:

Reginald de Warren

Editha de Warenne

Siblings:

Henry I Beauclerc King of England

Constance Princess of England

Adaile (Alice) of Normandy Princess of England

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She has been listed as dau. of Gherbod Advocate of the Abbey of SAINT BERTIN

Matilda, Queen of England of FLANDERS

ABT 1031 - 2 Nov 1083

BURIAL: Church Holy Trinity, Caen, Calvados, France

BIRTH: ABT 1031, Flanders

DEATH: 2 Nov 1083, Caen, Calvados, France

RFN: 1159

Father: Baldwin V, Count of FLANDERS

Mother: Adelaide (Alix ADELE), PRINCESS OF FRANCE

Family 2 : Gherbod Advocate of the Abbey of SAINT BERTIN

MARRIAGE: ABT 1050, Flanders

+Gundred, Princess of England, of FLANDERS

Gherbod, Earl of Chester, of FLANDERS

Family 1 : William the Conqueror King of England of NORMANDY

MARRIAGE: 1053, Castle Of Angi, Normandy

Robert III Duke of NORMANDY

Richard of NORMANDY

Cecilia of NORMANDY

Adelidis "Alice" of NORMANDY

Margaret of NORMANDY

William II "Rufus", King of ENGLAND

Constance of NORMANDY

Agatha Matilda of NORMANDY

Anna of NORMANDY

Henry I "Beauclerc", King of ENGLAND

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"Gundred,'s tombstone at St. John's Church, Southover, Lewes reads: "Within this Pew stands the tombstone of Gundrad, daughter of William the Conqueror, and wife of William, the First Earl of Warren, which having been deposited over her remains in the Chapter-House of Lewes Priory and lately discovered in Iffield Church, was removed to this place at the expense of William Burrell Esq. in 1775 A.D. Gundred died in childbirth at Castle Acre May 27, 1085,and was buried in the Priory of Lewes in County Sussex."

from /www.spaldinggenealogy.com

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Sources:

Keats-Rohan, K.S.B. Domesday Descendants: A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166, II. Pipe Rolls to Cartae Baronum. The Boydell Press, 2002. p. 777.

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Gundred (also known as Gundreda or Gundrada) of Flanders, Countess of Surrey, was probably born in Flanders. She was the sister of Gerbod the Fleming, who became Earl of Chester.

Gundred married William de Warenne, 1st Earl of Surrey, who rebuilt Lewes Castle, making it his chief residence. In 1078 he and Gundred founded a Cluniac Priory at Southover, adjoining Lewes, where both were buried.

The Countess had died at Castle Acre, Norfolk, one of her husband's estates.

Gundred was our ancestor through two distinct descent lines--through her son William and through her daughter Edith, each of whom was independently our ancestor.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gundred for more information.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gundred

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Title: Book: Royalty For Commoners

Author: Roderick W. Stuart

Publication: Revised Second Editon, @1988, by Genealogical Publishing Company.

Note: ABBR Book: Royalty For Commoners

Page: Page 70

Interred: Chapter House, Lewes, Sussex

At one time it was thought that Gundred was the Daughter of William the Conqueror. This has since been disproved. It is now accepted that Gundred, the wife of William de Warenne, was not a daughter of either William I (The Conqueror) or his wife Matilda
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Gundred, Gundreda, or Gundrada (died May 27, 1085) was probably born in Flanders , sister of Gerbod the Fleming, Earl of Chester.

Gundred married William de Warenne, 1st Earl of Surrey (d. June 20, 1088), who rebuilt Lewes Castle, making it his chief residence. In 1078 he and Gundred founded a Cluniac Priory at Southover, adjoining Lewes, where both were buried.

The Countess had died at Castle Acre, Norfolk, one of her husband's estates.

In the course of the centuries which followed both tombstones disappeared from the priory but in 1774 William Burrell, Esq., an antiquary, discovered Gundred's in Isfield Church (seven miles from Lewes), over the remains of EdwardShirley, Esq., (d. 1550), whose father John was Clerk of the Kitchen to King Henry VII, and had it removed on October 2, 1775, to St. John's Church, Southover, the nearest place to its original site, and placed inside and at the south-west corner of the church, where, until 1847, it could be seen on the floor between pews with a very fine inscription detailing its origins etc.

In 1845, during excavations through the Priory grounds for the South Coast Railway, the lead chests containing the remains of the Earl and his Countess were discovered, and deposited temporarily, for the next two years, beneath Gundred's tombstone. In 1847 a Norman Chapel was erected by public subscription, adjoining the present vestry and chancel. Prior to re-interring the remains in this chapel, both cysts were opened to ascertain if there were any contents, which was found to be the case. New cysts were made and used, and the ancient ones preserved and placed in two recessed arches in the southern wall. Gundred's remains in a good state of preservation although the Earl's has lost some lead. Across the upper part of the right arch is the name Gvndrada. Her tombstone is of black marble.

The children of William de Warenne and Gundred were:

William II de Warenne (d. May 11, 1138), buried in Lewes Priory.

Reginald de Warenne, an adherent of Robert of Normandy.

Edith de Warenne, married, firstly, Gerard, Baron de Gournay.
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Sister of Richard Goet, or Gouet

http://www.red1st.com/axholme/getperson.php?personID=I1750044511&tree=Axholme

According to the Plantagenet Ancestry, an illegitimate daughter of Matilda of Flanders (wife of William the Conquerer)

http://www.celtic-casimir.com/webtree/3/3254.htm

or a first marriage

http://www.celtic-casimir.com/webtree/3/3119.htmhttp://www.celtic-casimir.com/webtree/3/3119.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gundred,_Countess_of_Surrey

Gundrada de Warenne d. 1085, wife of William de Warenne, first Earl of Surrey, was long supposed to have been a daughter either of William the Conqueror and his Queen Matilda of Flanders, or of Matilda by an earlier marriage with Gerbod, advocate of St. Bertin. There is, however, no contemporary evidence for either of these hypotheses, while there is a good deal that tells strongly, though indirectly, against both (Engl. Hist. Rev. No. xii. 680-701). All that is really known about Gundrada's parentage is that she was sister to Gerbod the Fleming, Earl of Chester 1070-71 (Ord. Vit. ed. Duchesne, 522 A. C.; Liber de Hyda, p. 296), and therefore probably daughter of another Gerbod whowas advocate of St. Bertin, 1026-67 (Archaeological Journal, iii. 16, 17). The date of her marriage with William de Warenne is not ascertained, but their second son was old enough to command troops in 1090 (Ord. Vit. 690 A); and that they were married before 1077 is also shown by the appointment in that year of the first prior of St. Pancras at Lewes (Ann. Bermondsey, s.a. 1077), the earliest Cluniac house in England, of which they were joint founders. Itis said that they had started on a pilgrimage to Rome, but owing to the war between the Pope and the Emperor they were obliged to content themselves with visiting divers monasteries in France and Burgundy; they made a long stay at Cluny, and the outcome of their gratitude for the hospitality which they experienced there was the foundation of Lewes priory (Monast. Angl. v. 12; Duckett, Charters of Cluni, i. 47, 48). The story comes from a fifteenth-centurycopy of a charter which purports to have been granted by William de Warenne himself, but which in its present form has almost certainly received interpolations; there seems, however, no reason to doubt the genuineness of this part of it. Gundrada had two sons, William, afterwards second Earl of Warenne and Surrey (Ord. Vit. 680 D), and Rainald (ib. 690 A and 815 A), and a daughter, Edith, wife, first of Gerald de Gournay, and secondly of Drogo of Moncey (Cont. Will. of JumiÃ¨ges, l. viii. c. 8). Dugdale (Baronage, i. 74) gives her another daughter, married to Erneis de Colungis or Coluncis, but the Roger, Erneis's son, who was "nepos Guillelmi de Garenna," was clearly something more than a boy when he entered the monastery of St. Evroul before 1089 (Ord. Vit. 574 C, 600 B), and must therefore have been not Gundrada's grandson, but her husband's nephew. She died in child-birth, 27 May 1085, at Castle Acre, and was buried in the chapter-house at Lewes (Dugdale, Baronage, i. 74, from register of Lewes). Her tombstone was found in Ifield Church (whither it had apparently been removed at the dissolution) at the end of the last century, and placed in St. John's Church, Southover (Lewes), where it now is; it is of black marble and bears an inscription in Latin verse, beginning "Stirps Gundrada ducum" (Watson, Mem. of Earls of Warren and Surrey, i. 59-60). Her remains, enclosed in a chest with her name on the lid, were discovered side by side with those of her husband on the site of Lewes priory in October 1845. The inscriptions on the lid and the tombstone seem to date from the early thirteenth century; the remains were probably removed from their original place and re-interred at that time, perhaps when the Church was rebuilt, 1243-68 (Journ. Archaeol. Assoc. i. 347-350).

Sources
To the references given above it need only be added that Mr. Freeman has enumerated all the materials for the Gundrada controversy, examined all that has been written about it, and summed up its results in the English Historical Review, No. xii. pp. 680-701, October 1888.

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Gundred's epitaph at Lewes Priory, 12th century. Victoria County History, Sussex, vol.7, p.49; the gravestone is now in Southover Church in Lewes.

+ STIRPS . GVNDRADA . DVCV' . DEC[VS] . EVI . NOBILE . GERMEN : INTVLIT . ECCLESIIS . ANGLORV' . BALSAMA . MORV' . MARTIR ... [F]VIT . MISERIS . FVIT . EX . PIETATE . MARIA . PARS . OBIIT . MARTHE . SVP'EST . PARS . MAGNA . MARIE . O. PIE . PANCRATI . TES[TIS . PIE]TATIS . ET . EQ[VI] . TE . FACIT . HEREDE' . TV . CLEMENS . SVSCIPE . MATREM . SEXTA . KALENDARV' . IVNII . LVX . OBVIA . CARNIS . I'FREGIT . ALABASTRV' ...

http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/families/gundred/gundocs.shtml#epitaph

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Possible daughter of William. Disputed by various parties, who view her as a possible step-daughter or illegitimate daughter of a concubine.
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http://www.lewespriory.org.uk/gundrada_chapel http://sussexpast.co.uk/properties-to-discover/lewes-castle _________________________________________________________________________________ Gundred, sister of Gerbod the Fleming

Parents: unknown, NOT Matilda of Flanders, see evidence below.

Decisive negative evidence as to a relationship with William, seems to exist as a letter from Anselm, archbishop of Canterbury, to king Henry I, in which Anselm refuses to condone the marriage of Gundreda's son (William de Warenne) to a daughter of the king, because they were related in the fourth generation on one side and the sixth generation on the other ["Quærit consilium celsitudo vestra quid sibi faciendum sit de hoc quia pacta est filiam suam dare Guillelmo de Vuarenne; cum ipse et filia vestra ex una parte sint cognati in quarta generatione, et ex altera in sexta." Anselm, Epistolæ, iv, 84, PL 159: 245].

Had Gundreda been a daughter of Matilda, then she would be a sister (or half-sister) of Henry, making the betrothed first-cousins, and Anslem would have had better grounds for objection.

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LINKS

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL.htm

MEDIEVAL LANDS

Brother and sister, parents not known. As noted below, one charter suggests that Gundred´s mother was Mathilde de Flandre, wife of William I King of England, by an earlier husband who is not otherwise recorded, but this information is dubious as discussed further below:

1. GERBOD (-after 22 Feb 1071). William I King of England granted the city of Chester and large areas surrounding it to Gerbod, avoué of the abbey of St Bertin in Flanders, in early 1070, whereby he is considered to have been created Earl [of Chester]. According to Orderic Vitalis, Gerbod was "continually molested by the English and Welsh alike"[10]. He returned to Flanders where he fought and was captured at the battle of Cassel 22 Feb 1071[11].

2. GUNDRED (-Castle Acre, Norfolk 27 May 1085, bur Lewes Priory). Her marriage is recorded by Orderic Vitalis who also specifies that she was Gerbod´s sister[12]. "Willelmus de Warenna…Surreie comes [et] Gundrada uxor mea" foundedLewes Priory as a cell of Cluny by charter dated 1080[13]. This charter also names "domine mee Matildis regine, matris uxoris mee", specifying that the Queen gave "mansionem quoque Carlentonam nomine" to Gundred. It is presumablyon this basis that some secondary works claim, it appears incorrectly, that Gundred was the daughter of William I King of England. Weir asserts that the charter in question "has been proved spurious"[14], although it is not certain what other elements in the text indicate that this is likely to be the case. Assuming the charter is genuine, it is presumably possible that "matris" was intended in the context to indicate a quasi-maternal relationship, such as foster-mother or godmother. The same relationship is referred to in the charter dated to [1080/86] under which William I King of England donated property in Norfolk to Lewes priory, for the souls of “…Gulielmi de Warenna et uxoris suæ Gundfredæ filiæ meæ”[15]. Gundred died in childbirth. m (1070) as his first wife, WILLIAM de Warenne, son of RODULF [Raoul] de Warenne & his first wife Beatrix --- (-Lewes 24 Jun 1088, bur Lewes Priory). He was created Earlof Surrey in [late Apr] 1088[16], although he and his immediate successors usually styled themselves "Earl de Warenne".

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Gundred, Gundreda, or Gundrada (died 27 May 1085) was probably born in Flanders, sister of Gerbod the Fleming, Earl of Chester. She is explicitly so called by Orderic Vitalis, as well as the chronicle of Hyde Abbey.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gundred

http://www.chesterwiki.com/Gherbod_the_Fleming

Gundred was NOT the daughter of William I of England/Normandy and Matilda of Flanders.

Late Lewes Priory tradition made her daughter of William the Conqueror by his spouse Matilda of Flanders (Bannerman, vol.IV, p.207-209; Burke,The Royal Families vol.1, "Descendants of William the Conqueror", p.iv-v & pedigree LXVIII; Burke,The Roll of Battle Abbey, p.106; Barlow, pages 16 and 160), but this being impossible, Stapleton argued she was daughter of Matilda, born prior to her marriage to William. Waters and Freeman showed that this too could not be supported (Waters, Freeman). See Chandler for an extensive discussion.

Gundred married William de Warenne, 1st Earl of Surrey (d. 20 June 1088), who rebuilt Lewes Castle, making it his chief residence. In 1078 he and Gundred founded a Cluniac Priory at Southover, adjoining Lewes, where both were buried.[2] [3]

The children of William de Warenne and Gundred were:

* William II de Warenne (d. 11 May 1138), buried in Lewes Priory.[5] [6]
* Reginald de Warenne, an adherent of Robert of Normandy.[7]
* Edith de Warenne, married, firstly, Gerard, Baron de Gournay.[8]
The Countess had died at Castle Acre, Norfolk, one of her husband's estates.

In the course of the centuries which followed both tombstones disappeared from the priory but in 1774 William Burrell, Esq., an antiquary, discovered Gundred's in Isfield Church (seven miles from Lewes), over the remains of EdwardShirley, Esq., (d. 1550), whose father John was Clerk of the Kitchen to King Henry VII, and had it removed on October 2, 1775, to St. John's Church, Southover, the nearest place to its original site, and placed inside and at the south-west corner of the church, where, until 1847, it could be seen on the floor between pews with a very fine inscription detailing its origins etc.

In 1845, during excavations through the Priory grounds for the South Coast Railway, the lead chests containing the remains of the Earl and his Countess were discovered, and deposited temporarily, for the next two years, beneath Gundred's tombstone. In 1847 a Norman Chapel was erected by public subscription, adjoining the present vestry and chancel. Prior to re-interring the remains in this chapel, both cysts were opened to ascertain if there were any contents, which was found to be the case. New cysts were made and used, and the ancient ones preserved and placed in two recessed arches in the southern wall. Gundred's remains in a good state of preservation although the Earl's has lost some lead. Across the upper part of the right arch is the name Gvndrada. Her tombstone is of black marble.[4]

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There is some evidence that Gerbod the Fleming had a sister Gundred. The relationship is said to be evidenced by both Orderic Vitalis ("... et Guillelmo de Guarenna qui Gundredam sororem Gherbodi coniugem habebat ..." OV Book iv (2: 264)) and by the chronicle of Hyde abbey ("Quo tempore comes Cistrensis decessit Gerbodo, frater Gundradæ comitissæ, Flandriamque veniens, inimicorum præventus insidiis miserabiliter periit." (Chron. Monast. Hyde, 296)). However there is much dispute as to who the sister married and whether, if at all, Gherbod was related to William I. Decisive negative evidence as to a relationship with William, seems to exist as a letter from Anselm, archbishop of Canterbury, to king Henry I, in which Anselm refuses to condone the marriage of Gundreda's son (William de Warenne) to a daughter of the king, because they were related in the fourth generation on one side and the sixth generation onthe other ["Quærit consilium celsitudo vestra quid sibi faciendum sit de hoc quia pacta est filiam suam dare Guillelmo de Vuarenne; cum ipse et filia vestra ex una parte sint cognati in quarta generatione, et ex altera in sexta."Anselm, Epistolæ, iv, 84, PL 159: 245].

Had Gundreda been a daughter of Matilda, then she would be a sister (or half-sister) of Henry, making the betrothed first-cousins, and Anslem would have had better grounds for objection.

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Gundred, Gundreda, or Gundrada (died 27 May 1085) was probably born in Flanders , sister of Gerbod the Fleming, Earl of Chester.[1]

Gundred married William de Warenne, 1st Earl of Surrey (d. 20 June 1088), who rebuilt Lewes Castle, making it his chief residence. In 1078 he and Gundred founded a Cluniac Priory at Southover, adjoining Lewes, where both were buried.[2] [3]

The Countess had died at Castle Acre, Norfolk, one of her husband's estates.

The children of William de Warenne and Gundred were:

* William II de Warenne (d. 11 May 1138), buried in Lewes Priory.[5] [6]
* Reginald de Warenne, an adherent of Robert of Normandy.[7]
* Edith de Warenne, married, firstly, Gerard, Baron de Gournay.
References

* Bannerman, W.Bruce, FSA., editor, Miscellanea Genealogica et Heraldica, 4th series, London, 1912
* Barlow, Frank, The Feudal Kingdom of England 1012 - 1216, London, 1955
* Burke, John Bernard, The Roll of Battle Abbey, London, 1848
* Burke, John and John Bernard, The Royal Families of England Scotland and Wales, with Their Descendants etc., vol. 1 (1848), vol. 2 (1851), London
* Chandler, Victoria, "Gundrada de Warenne and the Victorian Gentleman-Scholars", Southern History 12 (1990):68-81
* Dunbar, Sir Archibald, Bt., Scottish Kings, a Revised Chronology of Scottish History, 1005 - 1625, Edinburgh, 1899
* Freeman, Edward A., "The parentage of Gundrada, wife of William of Warren", English Historical Review 3 (1888):680-701
* Stapleton, Thomas, "Observations in disproof of the pretended marriage of William de Warren, Earl of Surrey, with a daughter begotten of Matildis, daughter of Baldwin, Comte of Flanders, by William the Conqueror, and illustrative of the origin and early history of the family in Normandy", The Archaeological Journal 3 (1846):1-26
* Waters, Edmond Chester, "Gundreda de Warrenne", The Archaeological Journal 41 (1884):300-312
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Gundrada of NORMANDY

* Father: William The CONQUEROR
* Mother: Matilda Queen of ENGLAND
* Birth: 1055, Normandy, France
* Death: 27 May 1085, Castle Acre, Norfolk, England
* Burial: Gundrada Chapel, Lewes, England
* Partnership with: William DE WARENNE
o Child: Edith DE WARENNE Birth: 1075, Surrey, England
o Child: William II DE WARENNE Birth: 1078, Surrey, England
o Child: Reginald DE WARENNE Birth: 1085
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* BURIAL: Chapter-house, Priory Of Lewes, Sussex, England
* BIRTH: 1053, France Or Flanders
* DEATH: 27 May 1085, Castle Acre, England
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gundred

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Gundred (c. 1063 – 1085), wife of William de Warenne (c. 1055 – 1088), was formerly thought of as being yet another of Matilda's daughters, with speculation that she was William I's full daughter, a stepdaughter, or even a foundling or adopted daughter. However, this connection to William I has now been firmly debunked.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matilda_of_Flanders

Gundred, Gundreda, or Gundrada (died 27 May 1085) was probably born in Flanders , sister of Gerbod the Fleming, Earl of Chester.[1]

Gundred married William de Warenne, 1st Earl of Surrey (d. 20 June 1088), who rebuilt Lewes Castle, making it his chief residence. In 1078 he and Gundred founded a Cluniac Priory at Southover, adjoining Lewes, where both were buried.[2][3]

The Countess had died at Castle Acre, Norfolk, one of her husband's estates.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gundred

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http://thepeerage.com/p448.htm#i4478

Gundreda (?)

F, #4478, d. 27 May 1085

Last Edited=7 Dec 2005

Gundreda (?) married William I de Warenne, 1st Earl of Surrey, son of Rudolph de Warenne and Beatrice (?).1 She died on 27 May 1085.
Child of Gundreda (?) and William I de Warenne, 1st Earl of Surrey

William II de Warenne, 2nd Earl of Surrey+2 d. c 11 May 1138

Citations

[S6] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14 (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 2000), volume XII/1, page 494. Hereinafter cited as The Complete Peerage.

[S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume XII/1, page 496.

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http://www.renderplus.com/hartgen/htm/de-warenne.htm

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http://www.todmar.net/ancestry/warren_main.htm

William de Warren, son of William was born abt. 1055 in Bellencombe, Seine Inferieure, France. He married Gundred, 4th daughter of William, the Conqueror, and his wife Matilda of Flanders. (It has been said that Gundred was not the daughter of William, the Conqueror, but that she was the daughter of Matilda of Flanders by, perhaps, a previous marriage. The Invincible Magazine, Vol. 1, No. 5, p. 26, says that the inseription on Gundred's tombstone describesher as wife of William de Warren and daughter of Wm., the Conqueror. Also in Burke's Dormant and Extinct Peerage, pp. 154, 568 and 588, she is called daughter by Wm., the Conqueror, in a charter signed by Wm., William de Warren and Henry I, son of William, the Conqueror. Thus proving this much discussed question. E. E. W.) For the important part that William de Warren took in the Conquest of England he received 300 lordships in the counties of Salop, Essex, Suffolk, Oxford, Hants, Cambridge, Bucks, Norfolk, Lincoln and York.

Gundred

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Gundred, Countess of Surrey (died May 27, 1085) was probably born in Flanders, sister of Gerbod the Fleming, Earl of Chester.[1]

It has been said that Gundred was not the daughter of William I of England, the Conqueror, but that she was the daughter of Matilda of Flanders by, perhaps, a previous marriage. The Invincible Magazine, Vol. 1, No. 5, p. 26, says that the inseription on Gundred's tombstone describes her as wife of William de Warren and daughter of Wm., the Conqueror. Also in Burke's Dormant and Extinct Peerage, pp. 154, 568 and 588, she is called daughter by Wm., the Conqueror, in a charter signed by Wm., William de Warren and Henry I, son of William, the Conqueror. Thus proving this much discussed question. [2]

Gundred married William de Warenne, 1st Earl of Surrey (d. June 20, 1088), who rebuilt Lewes Castle, making it his chief residence. In 1078 he and Gundred founded a Cluniac Priory at Southover, adjoining Lewes, where both were buried.[3] [4]

The Countess had died at Castle Acre, Norfolk, one of her husband's estates.

In the course of the centuries which followed both tombstones disappeared from the priory but in 1774 William Burrell, Esq., an antiquary, discovered Gundred's in Isfield Church (seven miles from Lewes), over the remains of EdwardShirley, Esq., (d. 1550), whose father John was Clerk of the Kitchen to King Henry VII, and had it removed on October 2, 1775, to St. John's Church, Southover, the nearest place to its original site, and placed inside and at the south-west corner of the church, where, until 1847, it could be seen on the floor between pews with a very fine inscription detailing its origins etc.

In 1845, during excavations through the Priory grounds for the South Coast Railway, the lead chests containing the remains of the Earl and his Countess were discovered, and deposited temporarily, for the next two years, beneath Gundred's tombstone. In 1847 a Norman Chapel was erected by public subscription, adjoining the present vestry and chancel. Prior to re-interring the remains in this chapel, both cysts were opened to ascertain if there were any contents, which was found to be the case. New cysts were made and used, and the ancient ones preserved and placed in two recessed arches in the southern wall. Gundred's remains in a good state of preservation although the Earl's has lost some lead. Across the upper part of the right arch is the name Gvndrada. Her tombstone is of black marble.[5]

The children of William de Warenne and Gundred were:

William II de Warenne (d. May 11, 1138), buried in Lewes Priory.[6] [7]

Reginald de Warenne, an adherent of Robert of Normandy.[8]

Edith de Warenne, married, firstly, Gerard, Baron de Gournay.[9]

Notes

^ She is explicitly so called by Orderic Vitalis, as well as the chronicle of Hyde Abbey. Historically, she has been made a daughter of William the Conqueror by his spouse Matilda of Flanders, (Bannerman, vol.IV, p.207-209; Burke,The Royal Families vol.1, "Descendants of William the Conqueror", p.iv-v & pedigree LXVIII; Burke,The Roll of Battle Abbey, p.106; Barlow, pages 16 and 160) or of Matilda alone (Stapleton), but Waters and Freeman showed that this could not be supported (Waters, Freeman). See Chandler for an extensive discussion. Other sources suggest that she is daughter of Matilda from a relationship with Gerbod the Fleming prior to her marriage to William the Conqueror.

^ Genealogy of Family Warenne

^ Burke, The Roll of Battle Abbey, pps: 57, and 105-106

^ Bannerman, vol.IV, p.208

^ Bannerman, vol.IV, p.208 - 210

^ Burke, The Royal Families , vol. 1, pedigrees III and LXVIII, plus vol.2 (1851) pages iv, xlvii, and pedigree XXIX.

^ Dunbar, pps: 65 &71.

^ Burke, The Royal Families of England , vol. 2, page v.

^ Burke, The Royal Families , vol. 2, pages v and vii.

References

Bannerman, W.Bruce, FSA., editor, Miscellanea Genealogica et Heraldica, 4th series, London, 1912

Barlow, Frank, The Feudal Kingdom of England 1012 - 1216, London, 1955

Burke, John Bernard, The Roll of Battle Abbey, London, 1848

Burke, John and John Bernard, The Royal Families of England Scotland and Wales, with Their Descendants etc., vol. 1 (1848), vol. 2 (1851), London

Chandler, Victoria, "Gundrada de Warenne and the Victorian Gentleman-Scholars", Southern History 12 (1990):68-81

Dunbar, Sir Archibald, Bt., Scottish Kings, a Revised Chronology of Scottish History, 1005 - 1625, Edinburgh, 1899

Freeman, Edward A., "The parentage of Gundrada, wife of William of Warren", English Historical Review 3 (1888):680-701

Stapleton, Thomas, "Observations in disproof of the pretended marriage of William de Warren, Earl of Surrey, with a daughter begotten of Matildis, daughter of Baldwin, Comte of Flanders, by William the Conqueror, and illustrative of the origin and early history of the family in Normandy", The Archaeological Journal 3 (1846):1-26

Waters, Edmond Chester, "Gundreda de Warrenne", The Archaeological Journal 41 (1884):300-312

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Gundred, Gundreda, or Gundrada (died May 27, 1085) was probably born in Flanders , sister of Gerbod the Fleming, Earl of Chester.

Gundred married William de Warenne, 1st Earl of Surrey (d. June 20, 1088), who rebuilt Lewes Castle, making it his chief residence. In 1078 he and Gundred founded a Cluniac Priory at Southover, adjoining Lewes, where both were buried.

The Countess had died at Castle Acre, Norfolk, one of her husband's estates.

In the course of the centuries which followed both tombstones disappeared from the priory but in 1774 William Burrell, Esq., an antiquary, discovered Gundred's in Isfield Church (seven miles from Lewes), over the remains of EdwardShirley, Esq., (d. 1550), whose father John was Clerk of the Kitchen to King Henry VII, and had it removed on October 2, 1775, to St. John's Church, Southover, the nearest place to its original site, and placed inside and at the south-west corner of the church, where, until 1847, it could be seen on the floor between pews with a very fine inscription detailing its origins etc.

In 1845, during excavations through the Priory grounds for the South Coast Railway, the lead chests containing the remains of the Earl and his Countess were discovered, and deposited temporarily, for the next two years, beneath Gundred's tombstone. In 1847 a Norman Chapel was erected by public subscription, adjoining the present vestry and chancel. Prior to re-interring the remains in this chapel, both cysts were opened to ascertain if there were any contents, which was found to be the case. New cysts were made and used, and the ancient ones preserved and placed in two recessed arches in the southern wall. Gundred's remains in a good state of preservation although the Earl's has lost some lead. Across the upper part of the right arch is the name Gvndrada. Her tombstone is of black marble.

The children of William de Warenne and Gundred were:

William II de Warenne (d. May 11, 1138), buried in Lewes Priory.

Reginald de Warenne, an adherent of Robert of Normandy.

Edith de Warenne, married, firstly, Gerard, Baron de Gournay.

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Gundred

Parents unknown Possibly but doubfully, Mathilda (w/o William I) and an earlier unknown husband

From Medlands:

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL.htm#GundredMWilliamWarenne

Brother and sister, parents not known. As noted below, one charter suggests that Gundred´s mother was Mathilde de Flandre, wife of William I King of England, by an earlier husband who is not otherwise recorded, but this information is dubious as discussed further below:

1. GERBOD (-after 22 Feb 1071). William I King of England granted the city of Chester and large areas surrounding it to Gerbod, avoué of the abbey of St Bertin in Flanders, in early 1070, whereby he is considered to have been created Earl [of Chester]. According to Orderic Vitalis, Gerbod was "continually molested by the English and Welsh alike"[10]. He returned to Flanders where he fought and was captured at the battle of Cassel 22 Feb 1071[11].

2. GUNDRED (-Castle Acre, Norfolk 27 May 1085, bur Lewes Priory). Her marriage is recorded by Orderic Vitalis who also specifies that she was Gerbod´s sister[12]. "Willelmus de Warenna…Surreie comes [et] Gundrada uxor mea" foundedLewes Priory as a cell of Cluny by charter dated 1080[13]. This charter also names "domine mee Matildis regine, matris uxoris mee", specifying that the Queen gave "mansionem quoque Carlentonam nomine" to Gundred. It is presumablyon this basis that some secondary works claim, it appears incorrectly, that Gundred was the daughter of William I King of England. Weir asserts that the charter in question "has been proved spurious"[14], although it is not certain what other elements in the text indicate that this is likely to be the case. Assuming the charter is genuine, it is presumably possible that "matris" was intended in the context to indicate a quasi-maternal relationship, such as foster-mother or godmother. The same relationship is referred to in the charter dated to [1080/86] under which William I King of England donated property in Norfolk to Lewes priory, for the souls of “…Gulielmi de Warenna et uxoris suæ Gundfredæ filiæ meæ”[15]. Gundred died in childbirth. m (1070) as his first wife, WILLIAM de Warenne, son of RODULF [Raoul] de Warenne & his first wife Beatrix --- (-Lewes 24 Jun 1088, bur Lewes Priory). He was created Earlof Surrey in [late Apr] 1088[16], although he and his immediate successors usually styled themselves "Earl de Warenne".

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Princess Gundred - It has been said that Gundred was not the daughter of William, the Conqueror, but that she was the daughter of Matilda of Flanders by, perhaps, a previous marriage. The Invincible Magazine, Vol. 1, No. 5, p. 26,says that the inseription on Gundred's tombstone describes her as wife of William de Warren and daughter of Wm., the Conqueror. Also in Burke's Dormant and Extinct Peerage, pp. 154, 568 and 588, she is called daughter by Wm., theConqueror, in a charter signed by Wm., William de Warren and Henry I, son of William, the Conqueror. Thus proving this much discussed question. E. E. W)

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Said to have also been Countess of Surrey
Gundred, Princess of England de St Omer of Flanders Born: Bef 1050, Normandy, France

Married Bef 1077, Normandy, France, to William I, Earl of Warrenne de Warenne

Died: 27 May 1085, Castle Acre, Acre, Norfolk, England

buried Priory, Lewes, Sussex, England

Gundreda is believed to have been the daughter of *Queen Matilda she died in 1085. This theory is supported by a charter of *William de Warren to Lewes Priory, in which he states that his donations, among others, were for Queen Matilda, the mother of his wife. It is conjectured that Grundreda and Gherbold the Fleming, created Earl of Chester, her brother, were the children of Queen Matilda by a former marriage, probably clandestine, and therefore not reported by the historians of the day.

Children with: William I, Earl of Warrenne de Warenne

Children:

Reginald de Warren

Editha de Warenne

Siblings:

Henry I Beauclerc King of England

Constance Princess of England

Adaile (Alice) of Normandy Princess of England

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Gundred Princess Of was born about 1063 in , , Normandy, France. Gundred Princess Of's father was Guillaume I "Le Conquberant" De NORMANDIE and her mother was Matilda Countess Of Flanders Queen Of ENGLAND. Her paternal grandfatherwas Robert I "The Magnificent" Duke Of NORMANDY and her paternal grandmother is Harlette De FALAISE; her maternal grandparents were Baudouin V Count Of FLANDERS and Adaele (Alix) Princess Of FRANCE.
She had four brothers and six sisters, named Robert II Prince Of, Richard Prince Of, William II "Rufus" King Of, Henry I "Beauclerc" King Of, Cecilia Princess Of, Alice Or Adbelahide de, Mathilda Princess Of, Constance Princess Of, Adaele (Alice) Princess Of and Agatha Princess Of.

She was the nineth oldest of the eleven children.

She died on May 27th, 1085 in Castle Acre, Acre, Norfolk, England. Her burial was in Priory, Lewes, Sussex, England.

William De and Gundred Princess Of were married in a religious ceremony before 1077 in , , Normandy, France. They had two sons and two daughters, named William II De, Reginald De, Edith De and Gundred De.

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She has been listed as dau. of Gherbod Advocate of the Abbey of SAINT BERTIN

Matilda, Queen of England of FLANDERS

ABT 1031 - 2 Nov 1083

BURIAL: Church Holy Trinity, Caen, Calvados, France

BIRTH: ABT 1031, Flanders

DEATH: 2 Nov 1083, Caen, Calvados, France

RFN: 1159

Father: Baldwin V, Count of FLANDERS

Mother: Adelaide (Alix ADELE), PRINCESS OF FRANCE

Family 2 : Gherbod Advocate of the Abbey of SAINT BERTIN

MARRIAGE: ABT 1050, Flanders

+Gundred, Princess of England, of FLANDERS

Gherbod, Earl of Chester, of FLANDERS
Family 1 : William the Conqueror King of England of NORMANDY

MARRIAGE: 1053, Castle Of Angi, Normandy

Robert III Duke of NORMANDY
Richard of NORMANDY
Cecilia of NORMANDY
Adelidis "Alice" of NORMANDY
Margaret of NORMANDY
William II "Rufus", King of ENGLAND
Constance of NORMANDY
Agatha Matilda of NORMANDY
Anna of NORMANDY
Henry I "Beauclerc", King of ENGLAND

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"Gundred,'s tombstone at St. John's Church, Southover, Lewes reads: "Within this Pew stands the tombstone of Gundrad, daughter of William the Conqueror, and wife of William, the First Earl of Warren, which having been deposited over her remains in the Chapter-House of Lewes Priory and lately discovered in Iffield Church, was removed to this place at the expense of William Burrell Esq. in 1775 A.D. Gundred died in childbirth at Castle Acre May 27, 1085, andwas buried in the Priory of Lewes in County Sussex."

from /www.spaldinggenealogy.com

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Sources:

Keats-Rohan, K.S.B. Domesday Descendants: A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166, II. Pipe Rolls to Cartae Baronum. The Boydell Press, 2002. p. 777.

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Gundred (also known as Gundreda or Gundrada) of Flanders, Countess of Surrey, was probably born in Flanders. She was the sister of Gerbod the Fleming, who became Earl of Chester.

Gundred married William de Warenne, 1st Earl of Surrey, who rebuilt Lewes Castle, making it his chief residence. In 1078 he and Gundred founded a Cluniac Priory at Southover, adjoining Lewes, where both were buried.

The Countess had died at Castle Acre, Norfolk, one of her husband's estates.

Gundred was our ancestor through two distinct descent lines--through her son William and through her daughter Edith, each of whom was independently our ancestor.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gundred for more information.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gundred

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Title: Book: Royalty For Commoners

Author: Roderick W. Stuart
Publication: Revised Second Editon, @1988, by Genealogical Publishing Company.
Note: ABBR Book: Royalty For Commoners
Page: Page 70
Interred: Chapter House, Lewes, Sussex

At one time it was thought that Gundred was the Daughter of William the Conqueror. This has since been disproved. It is now accepted that Gundred, the wife of William de Warenne, was not a daughter of either William I (The Conqueror) or his wife Matilda
-------------------- Gundred, Gundreda, or Gundrada (died May 27, 1085) was probably born in Flanders , sister of Gerbod the Fleming, Earl of Chester.

Gundred married William de Warenne, 1st Earl of Surrey (d. June 20, 1088), who rebuilt Lewes Castle, making it his chief residence. In 1078 he and Gundred founded a Cluniac Priory at Southover, adjoining Lewes, where both were buried.

The Countess had died at Castle Acre, Norfolk, one of her husband's estates.

In the course of the centuries which followed both tombstones disappeared from the priory but in 1774 William Burrell, Esq., an antiquary, discovered Gundred's in Isfield Church (seven miles from Lewes), over the remains of EdwardShirley, Esq., (d. 1550), whose father John was Clerk of the Kitchen to King Henry VII, and had it removed on October 2, 1775, to St. John's Church, Southover, the nearest place to its original site, and placed inside and at the south-west corner of the church, where, until 1847, it could be seen on the floor between pews with a very fine inscription detailing its origins etc.

In 1845, during excavations through the Priory grounds for the South Coast Railway, the lead chests containing the remains of the Earl and his Countess were discovered, and deposited temporarily, for the next two years, beneath Gundred's tombstone. In 1847 a Norman Chapel was erected by public subscription, adjoining the present vestry and chancel. Prior to re-interring the remains in this chapel, both cysts were opened to ascertain if there were any contents, which was found to be the case. New cysts were made and used, and the ancient ones preserved and placed in two recessed arches in the southern wall. Gundred's remains in a good state of preservation although the Earl's has lost some lead. Across the upper part of the right arch is the name Gvndrada. Her tombstone is of black marble.

The children of William de Warenne and Gundred were:

William II de Warenne (d. May 11, 1138), buried in Lewes Priory.

Reginald de Warenne, an adherent of Robert of Normandy.

Edith de Warenne, married, firstly, Gerard, Baron de Gournay. -------------------- Sister of Richard Goet, or Gouet

http://www.red1st.com/axholme/getperson.php?personID=I1750044511&tree=Axholme

According to the Plantagenet Ancestry, an illegitimate daughter of Matilda of Flanders (wife of William the Conquerer)

http://www.celtic-casimir.com/webtree/3/3254.htm

or a first marriage

http://www.celtic-casimir.com/webtree/3/3119.htmhttp://www.celtic-casimir.com/webtree/3/3119.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gundred,_Countess_of_Surrey

Gundrada de Warenne d. 1085, wife of William de Warenne, first Earl of Surrey, was long supposed to have been a daughter either of William the Conqueror and his Queen Matilda of Flanders, or of Matilda by an earlier marriage with Gerbod, advocate of St. Bertin. There is, however, no contemporary evidence for either of these hypotheses, while there is a good deal that tells strongly, though indirectly, against both (Engl. Hist. Rev. No. xii. 680-701). All that is really known about Gundrada's parentage is that she was sister to Gerbod the Fleming, Earl of Chester 1070-71 (Ord. Vit. ed. Duchesne, 522 A. C.; Liber de Hyda, p. 296), and therefore probably daughter of another Gerbod whowas advocate of St. Bertin, 1026-67 (Archaeological Journal, iii. 16, 17). The date of her marriage with William de Warenne is not ascertained, but their second son was old enough to command troops in 1090 (Ord. Vit. 690 A); and that they were married before 1077 is also shown by the appointment in that year of the first prior of St. Pancras at Lewes (Ann. Bermondsey, s.a. 1077), the earliest Cluniac house in England, of which they were joint founders. Itis said that they had started on a pilgrimage to Rome, but owing to the war between the Pope and the Emperor they were obliged to content themselves with visiting divers monasteries in France and Burgundy; they made a long stay at Cluny, and the outcome of their gratitude for the hospitality which they experienced there was the foundation of Lewes priory (Monast. Angl. v. 12; Duckett, Charters of Cluni, i. 47, 48). The story comes from a fifteenth-centurycopy of a charter which purports to have been granted by William de Warenne himself, but which in its present form has almost certainly received interpolations; there seems, however, no reason to doubt the genuineness of this part of it. Gundrada had two sons, William, afterwards second Earl of Warenne and Surrey (Ord. Vit. 680 D), and Rainald (ib. 690 A and 815 A), and a daughter, Edith, wife, first of Gerald de Gournay, and secondly of Drogo of Moncey (Cont. Will. of JumiÃ¨ges, l. viii. c. 8). Dugdale (Baronage, i. 74) gives her another daughter, married to Erneis de Colungis or Coluncis, but the Roger, Erneis's son, who was "nepos Guillelmi de Garenna," was clearly something more than a boy when he entered the monastery of St. Evroul before 1089 (Ord. Vit. 574 C, 600 B), and must therefore have been not Gundrada's grandson, but her husband's nephew. She died in child-birth, 27 May 1085, at Castle Acre, and was buried in the chapter-house at Lewes (Dugdale, Baronage, i. 74, from register of Lewes). Her tombstone was found in Ifield Church (whither it had apparently been removed at the dissolution) at the end of the last century, and placed in St. John's Church, Southover (Lewes), where it now is; it is of black marble and bears an inscription in Latin verse, beginning "Stirps Gundrada ducum" (Watson, Mem. of Earls of Warren and Surrey, i. 59-60). Her remains, enclosed in a chest with her name on the lid, were discovered side by side with those of her husband on the site of Lewes priory in October 1845. The inscriptions on the lid and the tombstone seem to date from the early thirteenth century; the remains were probably removed from their original place and re-interred at that time, perhaps when the Church was rebuilt, 1243-68 (Journ. Archaeol. Assoc. i. 347-350).

Sources To the references given above it need only be added that Mr. Freeman has enumerated all the materials for the Gundrada controversy, examined all that has been written about it, and summed up its results in the English Historical Review, No. xii. pp. 680-701, October 1888.

-------------------- Gundred's epitaph at Lewes Priory, 12th century. Victoria County History, Sussex, vol.7, p.49; the gravestone is now in Southover Church in Lewes.

+ STIRPS . GVNDRADA . DVCV' . DEC[VS] . EVI . NOBILE . GERMEN : INTVLIT . ECCLESIIS . ANGLORV' . BALSAMA . MORV' . MARTIR ... [F]VIT . MISERIS . FVIT . EX . PIETATE . MARIA . PARS . OBIIT . MARTHE . SVP'EST . PARS . MAGNA . MARIE . O. PIE . PANCRATI . TES[TIS . PIE]TATIS . ET . EQ[VI] . TE . FACIT . HEREDE' . TV . CLEMENS . SVSCIPE . MATREM . SEXTA . KALENDARV' . IVNII . LVX . OBVIA . CARNIS . I'FREGIT . ALABASTRV' ...

http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/families/gundred/gundocs.shtml#epitaph

-------------------- Possible daughter of William. Disputed by various parties, who view her as a possible step-daughter or illegitimate daughter of a concubine.

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A daughter or perhaps a sister of Gherbod the Fleming. (See Fredrick Lewis Weis: The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215, Baltimore, 1999, Line 158-1, George Andews Moriarty: The Plantagenet Ancestry of King Edward III and Queen Philippa,Mormon Pioneer Genealogical Society, Salt Lake City, Utah, 1985, page 184 and the sources quoted therein.)
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Princess Gundred is believed to have been a daughter of WILLIAM THE CONQUEROR. A tombstone at Saint John's Church in Lewes reads: "Within this pew stands the tombstone of Gundred, daughter of William the Conqueror, and wife of William, the first earl of Warren".

1. At one time it was thought that Gundred was the Daughter of William the Conqueror. This has since been disproved. For details see the entry for Matilda (Gundred) Ragnvaldsson under William Ragnvaldsson, William the Conqueror. Unknown GEDCOM info: MH:N182 Unknown GEDCOM info: 7693B768-6DBD-413C-9BE1-92EBF416A5DB

Ancestral File Number: 8PTS-DN

At one time it was thought that Gundred was the Daughter of William the
Conqueror. This has since been disproved. C. T. Clay, *Early YorkshireCharters*, vol. VIII, Appendix A, pp. 40-46. Another reference, accordingto the second edition of Cokayne's *Complete Peerage*, vol. XII, part 1,p. 494, note (j), presents similar evidence is H. Prentout, *Etudes surQuelques Points de l'Histoire de Guillaume le Conquerant*, pp. 29-56.

At one time, it was thought that Gundred was the daughter of William theConqueror. This has since been disproved. For details, see "EarlyYorkshire Charters" by C. T. Clay, or "Études sur Quelques Points del'Historie de Guillaume le Conquérant" by H. Prentout. [Brian Tompsett,Directory of Royal Genealogical Data, University of Hull, Hull, UK,"Electronic," royal01389]

1 BIRT 2 DATE ABT. 1063

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At one time it was thought that Gundred was the Daughter of William the
Conqueror. This has since been disproved. C. T. Clay, *Early YorkshireCharters*, vol. VIII, Appendix A, pp. 40-46. Another reference,according to the second edition of Cokayne's *Complete Peerage*, vol.XII, part 1, p. 494, note (j), presents similar evidence is H. Prentout,*Etudes sur Quelques Points de l'Histoire de Guillaume le Conquerant*,pp. 29-56.

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Gundreda, ovl. 27.05.1085 in Castle Acre, Norfolk, begraven in Lewes, ref. nr. 23.03.2004 ES III.4-699, ES II-81,15,6 (zie info 511). Dochter van Gerbod uit Vlaanderen, earl of Chester.

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Name Suffix: Princess of Eng. Ancestral File Number: 8PTS-DN
!Title: Princess of England and COUNTESS OF SURREY. "Royal Ancestors" by Michel Call, 1989, Chart # 11672.
Sources: RC 56, 135; Kraentzler 1353, 1371; AF; Norr, p127; Castle Acre booklet; A. Roots 83; Antiquities of Shropshire, Vol. 4; Magna Charta Sureties 158.

Sureties: Gundred, daughter of Gherbod the Fleming, died 27 May 1085.

RC: Gundred, born about 1063, Normandy; died 27 May 1085, Castle Acre, Norfolk, England; sister of Gerbod, Earl of Chester, 1076; a Fleming. She married William de Warenne II, 2nd Earl of Surrey, before 1077.

K-1353: Gundrada (sic) of Chester, 1st wife of William de Warenne.
K-1371: Gundreda of Chester (sic), d. 1085, daughter of Gerbod deFlandre, Advocate of the Abbey St. Bertin and St. Omer, and Mathilda de Flandre,"Maid de Flandre," born about 1031, Flandre, Belgium. Died 2 Nov. 1083. [Thiswould bethe wife of William the Conqueror.]

Booklet: Gundreda, daughter of William the Conqueror.
Antiquities: Gundred, step-daughter of King William I.
Norr, p127: Gundred (1042)-1085-(childbed), but not at birth of sonWilliam. (Several sources say she was the daughter or step-daughter of theConqueror. Not so says CP, V12.1, p 494 fn).

RC does not say that Gundred was the daughter of William theConqueror.
If K. is correct in line 1371, then Matilda was the second wife of the Conqueror and Gundred was the daughter of Matilda and Gerbod de Flandre.But have found no other record of a first marriage for Matilda.
A chart in "The Life and Times of William I" by Maurice Ashley doesnot show a Gundred as the daughter of William I and Matilda of Flanders.
One AF record calls Gundred the Countess of Surrey.

So...WAS SHE A DAUGHTER OR STEP-DAUGHTER OF WILLIAM THE CONQUEROR? Orthe daughter of Gerbod of Flanders and ?????
Original individual @P2203432754@ (@MS_NHFETTERLYFAMIL0@) merged with @P2203432743@ (@MS_NHFETTERLYFAMIL0@)

It has been said that Gundred was not the daughter of William, the Conqueror, but that she was the daughter ofMatilda of Flanders by, perhaps, a previous marriage. The Invincible Magazine, Vol. 1, No. 5, p. 26, says that theinseription on Gundred's tombstone describes her as wife of William de Warren and daughter of Wm., the Conqueror. Alsoin Burke's Dormant and Extinct Peerage, pp. 154, 568 and 588, she is called daughter by Wm., the Conqueror, in acharter signed by Wm., William de Warren and Henry I, son of William, the Conqueror. Thus proving this much discussedquestion. E. E. W)
For more information see the Our Folk - Hart family Web Site

from "Our Folk" by Albert D Hart, Jr.

During the excavations of the ruins of Lewes Priory in 1847 for the railway two lead caskets were found containing the remains of Gundred and her husband William de Warenne under the Chapter House floor where they had been re-interred after being moved at some stage from in front of the High Altar. They were re-interred under the original gravestone of Gundred with its wonderful poem to her which was found upside down being used as a paving stone in another nearby church. She had been thought to be a daughter of Conqueror. Foundress of Lewes Priory. [THELMA.GED]

Also have birth as 1063. [Our Family Museum]

Gundred, Gundreda, or Gundrada (died 27 May 1085) was probably born in Flanders , sister of Gerbod the Fleming, Earl of Chester.[1]

Gundred married William de Warenne, 1st Earl of Surrey (d. 20 June 1088), who rebuilt Lewes Castle, making it his chief residence. In 1078 he and Gundred founded a Cluniac Priory at Southover, adjoining Lewes, where both were buried.[2] [3]

The Countess had died at Castle Acre, Norfolk, one of her husband's estates.

In the course of the centuries which followed both tombstones disappeared from the priory but in 1774 William Burrell, Esq., an antiquary, discovered Gundred's in Isfield Church (seven miles from Lewes), over the remains of EdwardShirley, Esq., (d. 1550), whose father John was Clerk of the Kitchen to King Henry VII, and had it removed on October 2, 1775, to St. John's Church, Southover, the nearest place to its original site, and placed inside and at the south-west corner of the church, where, until 1847, it could be seen on the floor between pews with a very fine inscription detailing its origins etc.

In 1845, during excavations through the Priory grounds for the South Coast Railway, the lead chests containing the remains of the Earl and his Countess were discovered, and deposited temporarily, for the next two years, beneath Gundred's tombstone. In 1847 a Norman Chapel was erected by public subscription, adjoining the present vestry and chancel. Prior to re-interring the remains in this chapel, both cysts were opened to ascertain if there were any contents, which was found to be the case. New cysts were made and used, and the ancient ones preserved and placed in two recessed arches in the southern wall. Gundred's remains in a good state of preservation although the Earl's has lost some lead. Across the upper part of the right arch is the name Gvndrada. Her tombstone is of black marble.[4]

The children of William de Warenne and Gundred were:

William II de Warenne (d. 11 May 1138), buried in Lewes Priory.[5] [6]
Reginald de Warenne, an adherent of Robert of Normandy.[7]
Edith de Warenne, married, firstly, Gerard, Baron de Gournay.[8]

Notes
^ She is explicitly so called by Orderic Vitalis, as well as the chronicle of Hyde Abbey. Late Lewes Priory tradition made her daughter of William the Conqueror by his spouse Matilda of Flanders (Bannerman, vol.IV, p.207-209; Burke,The Royal Families vol.1, "Descendants of William the Conqueror", p.iv-v & pedigree LXVIII; Burke,The Roll of Battle Abbey, p.106; Barlow, pages 16 and 160), but this being impossible, Stapleton argued she was daughter of Matilda, born prior to her marriage to William. Waters and Freeman showed that this too could not be supported (Waters, Freeman). See Chandler for an extensive discussion.
^ Burke, The Roll of Battle Abbey, pps: 57, and 105-106
^ Bannerman, vol.IV, p.208
^ Bannerman, vol.IV, p.208 - 210
^ Burke, The Royal Families , vol. 1, pedigrees III and LXVIII, plus vol.2 (1851) pages iv, xlvii, and pedigree XXIX.
^ Dunbar, pps: 65 &71.
^ Burke, The Royal Families of England , vol. 2, page v.
^ Burke, The Royal Families , vol. 2, pages v and vii.

References
Bannerman, W.Bruce, FSA., editor, Miscellanea Genealogica et Heraldica, 4th series, London, 1912
Barlow, Frank, The Feudal Kingdom of England 1012 - 1216, London, 1955
Burke, John Bernard, The Roll of Battle Abbey, London, 1848
Burke, John and John Bernard, The Royal Families of England Scotland and Wales, with Their Descendants etc., vol. 1 (1848), vol. 2 (1851), London
Chandler, Victoria, "Gundrada de Warenne and the Victorian Gentleman-Scholars", Southern History 12 (1990):68-81
Dunbar, Sir Archibald, Bt., Scottish Kings, a Revised Chronology of Scottish History, 1005 - 1625, Edinburgh, 1899
Freeman, Edward A., "The parentage of Gundrada, wife of William of Warren", English Historical Review 3 (1888):680-701
Stapleton, Thomas, "Observations in disproof of the pretended marriage of William de Warren, Earl of Surrey, with a daughter begotten of Matildis, daughter of Baldwin, Comte of Flanders, by William the Conqueror, and illustrative of the origin and early history of the family in Normandy", The Archaeological Journal 3 (1846):1-26
Waters, Edmond Chester, "Gundreda de Warrenne", The Archaeological Journal 41 (1884):300-312

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Within her pew stands the tombstone of Gundred, daughter of William the Conquerer, and wife of William, the First Earl of Warrene and Surrey, which having been deposited over her remains in the Chapter House of Lewes Priory was only lately discovered.

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± 1036-1088



				Edith de Warenne 1080-> 1155		William de Warenne ± 1071-1138

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Doopdag 31 december 1932

Doopdag 31 december 1932

De temperatuur op 31 december 1932 lag tussen 3,4 °C en 6,4 °C en was gemiddeld 5,0 °C. Er was 1,1 mm neerslag gedurende 2,4 uur. De gemiddelde windsnelheid was 4 Bft (matige wind) en kwam overheersend uit het zuiden. Bron: KNMI
Koningin Wilhelmina (Huis van Oranje-Nassau) was van 1890 tot 1948 vorst van Nederland (ook wel Koninkrijk der Nederlanden genoemd)
Van 10 augustus 1929 tot 26 mei 1933 was er in Nederland het kabinet Ruys de Beerenbrouck III met als eerste minister Jonkheer mr. Ch.J.M. Ruys de Beerenbrouck (RKSP).
In het jaar 1932: Bron: Wikipedia
- Nederland had zo'n 8,1 miljoen inwoners.
- 1 maart » Amerikaans piloot Charles Lindberghs zoon wordt gekidnapt.
- 28 juni » In België wordt de eerste taalwet in stemming gebracht.
- 11 juli » Muhammad Ali Bey al-Abid wordt president van Syrië.
- 3 oktober » Irak wordt onafhankelijk.
- 31 oktober » Het Londense metrostation Gillespie Road wordt vernoemd naar Arsenal.
- 20 november » Aardbeving bij Uden met een sterkte van 5,0 op de Schaal van Richter.

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1039 » Dirk III (~58), graaf van Holland
1505 » Ascanio Maria Sforza (55), Italiaans kardinaal
1525 » Thomas Müntzer (35), Duits theoloog en prediker.
1564 » Johannes Calvijn (54), Frans kerkhervormer
866 » Ordoño I (36), koning van Asturië
927 » Simeon I van Bulgarije (~62)

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