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Hij is getrouwd met Adeline.

Zij zijn getrouwd


Kind(eren):

  1. Burgard van Guise  ????-1161 


Notities over Guy van Guise

GUY de Guise, son of GEOFFROY Seigneur de Guise & his wife Ada de Ramerupt ([1060/80]-after 1124). The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Guidonem" as son of "Godefridus de Guisia" & his wife[2336]. Seigneur de Guise. "Widonis de Lecherii [Lesquielles]" subscribed the charter dated 1104 under which Godefroi de Ribemont donated property to the monastery of Saint-Prix[2337], the castle of Lesquielles being another property of the Seigneurs de Guise (see above). "Bartholomeus…Laudunensis episcopus" noted that "Guidone de Guisia" donated property to the abbey of Femy, with the consent of "uxoris suæ Aeluidis", by charter dated Dec 1120[2338]. The family relationship between the bishop and the Guise family has not yet been traced. Guy de Guise donated property to the abbey of Saint-Prix de Saint-Quentin by charter dated 1123[2339]. "Wido Lescheriensis…et Guisiensis" granted rights to the abbey of Saint-André du Câteau, for the souls of "meæ et coniugis meæ Adeluyæ", by undated charter, signed by "filiorum meorum Adam et Burgardi…" and later confirmed by the bishop of Laon by charter dated 1121 at the request of "Guido de Gusia rogatu uxoris suæ Adeluyæ et matris suæ Adæ" and with the consent of "filiis suis Adam et Burchardo"[2340].

m as her first husband, ADELINE, daughter of ---. It is possible that she was Adeline de Montmorency, daughter of Bouchard [III] Seigneur de Montmorency & his first wife Agnes de Beaumont. Her parentage and marriage are suggested by Orderic Vitalis who records that "Petrus…Manliæ" married "Adam, Burchardi de Montemorentii neptem et comitis Gisinarum filiam"[2341]. Le Prévost assumes that "comitis Gisinarum" refers to the comte de Guines and states that "Ade fille de Manassès comte de Guines et d’Emme de Tancarville" married "en effet Pierre de Maule et mourut sans enfants avant son père"[2342]. He cites no source which provides the basis for his statement, while conceding that he found no family relationship between the Montmorency and Guines families. Duchesne also assumes that Guines is the correct interpretation, although, on the basis that "neptem" indicates niece, he suggests that the relationship was through a daughter of Hervé Seigneur de Montmorency (which appears difficult to sustain from a chronological point of view)[2343]. No record has been found in other primary sources that Robert [Manassès] Comte de Guines had another daughter besides Sibylle [Rose] who married Henri Châtelain de Bourbourg (see above in the present document). However, it is possible that "Gisinarum" refers to "Guise" (which is normally referred to in primary sources in Latin as "Guisia" or "Guisciensis") and that the granddaughter of Bouchard [III] Seigneur de Montmorency (assuming that "neptem" in Orderic’s passage indicates grand-daughter, not niece) was the daughter of the seigneur de Guise. If this is correct, the chronology dictates that her father must have been Guy Seigneur de Guise. This proposed parentage is corroborated by Guy Seigneur de Guise naming his second son Bouchard, presumably after his father-in-law. "Bartholomeus…Laudunensis episcopus" noted that "Guidone de Guisia" donated property to the abbey of Femy, with the consent of "uxoris suæ Aeluidis", by charter dated Dec 1120[2344]. "Wido Lescheriensis…et Guisiensis" granted rights to the abbey of Saint-André du Câteau, for the souls of "meæ et coniugis meæ Adeluyæ", by undated charter, signed by "filiorum meorum Adam et Burgardi…" and later confirmed by the bishop of Laon by charter dated 1121 at the request of "Guido de Gusia rogatu uxoris suæ Adeluyæ et matris suæ Adæ" and with the consent of "filiis suis Adam et Burchardo"[2345]. She married secondly Henri ---. The Histoire de Guise refers to her second marriage, stating that her second husband consented to Adeline's donation to the church of Prémontré at Clairefontaine[2346].

[2336] Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis 17, MGH SS XIII, p. 255.
[2337] Pécheur Histoire de Guise, p. 58, citing Histoire de Cambrai, tome 2, 3e partie, p. 707.
[2338] Miraeus (1723), Tome II, Supplement, XXV, p. 822.
[2339] Pécheur Histoire de Guise, p. 64, citing Lecarpentier, Histoire de Cambrai, preuves.
[2340] Duchesne (1624), Preuves, p. 52.
[2341] Orderic Vitalis (Prévost), Vol. II, Liber V, pp. 461-2.
[2342] Orderic Vitalis (Prévost), Vol. II, p. 462 footnote 1.
[2343] Duchesne (1624), p. 82.
[2344] Miraeus (1723), Tome II, Supplement, XXV, p. 822.
[2345] Duchesne (1624), Preuves, p. 52.
[2346] Pécheur Histoire de Guise, p. 70, citing Carta Simonis Episcopi Noviomensis, de confirmatione allodii de Germania, Cartulaire de Prémontré, MS de la Bibliothèque de Soissons, titre Hanap.

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