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• Hij is geboren in het jaar 750 in Paris, Seine, Ile de France.
• (AKA) .

  Begue (I; Count) de PARIS
  (Beggo Bego Beggen); Chamberlain of Louis of Aquitaine; Count of Toulouse

• (links) .

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beggo,_Count_of_Toulouse

• (Discussion) .

  The Problem of Count Begue & his 3 possible wives
  
  Count Begue/Beggo/ Begon has 2 (or 3) equally likely wives according to original sources '96 but only one set of descendents (Luithard, Eberhard, Susanna):
  
  Either his wife (and mother of these 3 kids) was Charlemagne's daughter:
  
  1) Alpaida (by Adaltrude) Sources below, or
  
  2) Amaudra (by Himiltrude) - less convincingly sourced than the other two, at the moment -Reference to her mother on Die Genealogie der Franken und Frankreichs, noted by Wikipedia, says she later married a Count of Paris.
  
  or she was Charlemagne's granddaughter:
  
  3) Alpais (through his son, Louis I) Sources Below
  
  Sources: From Charles Cawley's Medieval Lands database
  
  BEGO ([755/60]-28 Oct 816).
  
  m firstly ---. There is no proof of this possible first marriage of Bego. However, as noted below, if his wife Alpais was the daughter of Emperor Louis, there would have been a considerable age difference between her and Bego, which suggests the possibility of an earlier marriage.]
  
  m [secondly] ([806]) ALPAIS, illegitimate daughter of [Emperor LOUIS I & his mistress ---] ([793/94]-23 Jul 852 or after, bur [Reims]). Flodoard refers to "Ludowicus Alpheidi filie sue uxori Begonis comitis"[67]. The Annales Hildesheimenses name "filiam imperatoris…Elpheid" as the wife of "Bicgo de amici regis" when recording the death of her husband[68]. Settipani discusses the debate about the paternity of Alpais, preferring the theory that Emperor Charles I was her father[69]. If Emperor Louis was her father, it is unlikely that she was born before [793/94], given his known birth date in 778. It would therefore be chronologically tight for her to have had [three] children by her husband before his death in 816.
  
  [Sharon's Note: Not really '96 it makes her 23yrs old when he dies. Charlemagne's wife Hildegard had had 9 children by the time she died at 23 or 24yrs]
  
  However, no indication has been found in primary sources of the ages of these children when their father died. The question of her paternity is obviously not beyond doubt, but it is felt preferable to show her as the probable daughter of Emperor Louis in view of the clear statement in Flodoard. If Alpais was the daughter of Emperor Louis, it is likely that she was not her husband's only wife in view of his estimated birth date. After her husband died, she became abbess of Saint-Pierre-le-Bas at Reims in [817]. She was still there 29 May 852.
  
  Bego & his [second] wife had three children: i) LIUTHARD . Flodoard names "ipsius Alpheidis vel filiorum eius Letardi et Ebrardi" when recording their mother's donation to the church of Reims[70]. ii) EBERHARD . Flodoard names "ipsius Alpheidis vel filiorum eius Letardi et Ebrardi" when recording their mother's donation to the church of Reims[71]. iii) SUSANNA ([805/10]-). The primary source which establishes that Susanna was the daughter of Bego has not so far been identified. "Vulfardus" donated property to Saint-Benoît-sur-Loire for the souls of "genitoris mei Vulfardi et genetrice mea Susannane necnon et germanorum fratrum meorum Adelardo, Vulgrino, Ymo et sorore mee Hildeburga vel nepote meo Vulgrino" by charter dated 2 Nov 889[72]. m ([825/30]) VULFHARD, son of ---.
  
  STATUS OF DEBATE by Justin, Pam, Ben, Sharon Jan 2011 The 10th Century chronicler, Flodoard is a primary source, while both Cawley and Settipani are secondary sources - presenting conflicting conclusions. Settipani (arguing for Charlemagne's daughter), contradicts Flodoard (arguing for Louis' daughter), based on consideration of other primary sources (which we haven't found). Cawley appears to be most likely to dominate because, although Settipani's conclusions are possibly more accurate, Cawley is more available to Geni users on the net.
  
  Sharon's STRATEGIC SOLUTION WAS TO INSERT BEGUE in ALL 3 POSITIONS, & TRY TO USE THE CURATOR NOTE TO AVOID MERGES BETWEEN THEM.
  
  STATUS OF DEBATE by Justin, Sharon; George June 2012: Over the past year, despite being locked, the profiles have been merged into each other - suggesting this was not a workable strategy. George IS WORKING ON AN ALTERNATIVE STRATEGY:

• Hij is overleden op 28 oktober 816 in Paris, Seine, Ile de France, hij was toen 66 jaar oud.
• Hij is begraven in Paris, Seine, Ile de France.
• Een kind van Gérard I de Paris en Rotrude de la Francs >
• Deze gegevens zijn voor het laatst bijgewerkt op 4 maart 2017.

Gezin van Bégon de Paris

Hij is getrouwd met Alpaïs de Paris.

Zij zijn getrouwd.

Kind(eren):

1. Engeltrude de Paris  ± 800-853 

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